Does anyone ever buy one of those online "diplomas"?
NadCixelsyd
employment?
And to satisfy my curiosity? How much do they charge for a BS in
engineering?
art...@yahoo.com
I sell you one from Art's Bar and Grill and Institution of higher
learning for only $5.99.
But wait. That's not all.
Order now and get a football schedule and 50 cents off any appetizer.
groo
> Who would be so stupid as to accept them as education when applying for
> employment?
You'd be surprised. If someone is able to interview well, some companies do
not do a good job of doing background checks. I know a respectable company
that was looking for a Controller of Finance, and the CFO interviewed a guy
and wanted to hire him. In fact, he was quite emphatic that they needed to
hire the guy right away. A background check revealed that although both of
his degrees were totally bogus, he'd apparently worked as a Controller for
two other companies previously.
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lie." - Elsworth to Al Swearengen, "Deadwood"
Enzo deBaker
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> Who would be so stupid as to accept them as education when applying
> for
> employment?
>
Apparently, anyone who hired John Mark Carr after he fled the US. A
teaching resume thought to be his is posted at
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0817061resume1.html . In it one
"John Karr" claims "Bachelor of Science: Magna Cum Laude, Regents
College, Albany New York USA".
Cached search results at http://tinyurl.com/mrx8q state "Excelsior
College, formerly Regents College, is America's first Virtual
University. At Excelsior College you can earn a degree at your own pace
in your own place."
According to https://www.excelsior.edu/ , Excelsior's address is 7
Columbia Circle, Albany, NY.
Bill Bonde ('The path is clear, though no eyes can see')
According to
https://www.excelsior.edu/portal/page?_pageid=57,42368&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
they are actually accredited by someone:
#begin quote ibidem
Excelsior College is accredited by the Commission on Higher Education of
the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools, 3624 Market
Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104, 215-662-5606. The Commission on Higher
Education is an institutional accrediting agency recognized by the U.S.
Secretary of Education and the Council on Higher Education Accreditation
(CHEA).
Nursing Degrees -- Associate, Bachelor's, and Master's
The associate, bachelor's, and master's degree programs in nursing at
Excelsior College are accredited by the National League for Nursing
Accrediting Commission (NLNAC), 61 Broadway, New York, NY 10006,
800-669-1656. The NLNAC is a specialized accrediting agency for nursing
recognized by the U.S. Secretary of Education.
#end quote
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wake up, amigos." Spencer Tracy, "Tortilla Flat"
darkon
> "NadCixelsyd" <nadci...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Who would be so stupid as to accept them as education when
>> applying for employment?
>
> You'd be surprised. If someone is able to interview well, some
> companies do not do a good job of doing background checks. I
> know a respectable company that was looking for a Controller of
> Finance, and the CFO interviewed a guy and wanted to hire him.
> In fact, he was quite emphatic that they needed to hire the guy
> right away. A background check revealed that although both of
> his degrees were totally bogus, he'd apparently worked as a
> Controller for two other companies previously.
So did they hire him? If so, was he a competent Controller of
Finance?
Richard R. Hershberger
groo wrote:
> "NadCixelsyd" <nadci...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Who would be so stupid as to accept them as education when applying for
> > employment?
>
> You'd be surprised. If someone is able to interview well, some companies do
> not do a good job of doing background checks. I know a respectable company
> that was looking for a Controller of Finance, and the CFO interviewed a guy
> and wanted to hire him. In fact, he was quite emphatic that they needed to
> hire the guy right away. A background check revealed that although both of
> his degrees were totally bogus, he'd apparently worked as a Controller for
> two other companies previously.
Also, there are approximately three gazillion colleges and universities
in the U.S. Just because a job candidate lists a school you have never
heard of doesn't mean it isn't legitimate, or even very good. If the
bogus degree is from somewhere that sounds plausible and no one checks
it out, you are good to go. I don't know, but I imagine the main
benefit of buying a fake degree rather than just making one up is that
someone from the diploma mill will confirm your degree to potential
employers. A letter on letterhead might be enough, if they don't also
research the school's bone fides.
Richard R. HErshberger
groo
No, he wasn't hired. I think that the logic was that whatever fine
practical qualities he might have were outweighed by his willingness to
lie for personal gain. That's not a quality that is usually sought out by
your more reputable public companies.
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Nick Spalding
on Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:11:47 GMT:
--
Nick Spalding
Mark Steese
@trnddc04:
Excelsior (nee Regents) College is a distance-learning center, not a
diploma mill; as Bill Bonde pointed out, their website says they've been
accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools.
According to the Middle States Association's website, Excelsior has also
been accredited by the New York State Board of Regents and the American
Council on Education. (See http://tinyurl.com/hdqm5; click on the
"Statement of Accreditation Status" link for Excelsior.)
Interestingly, the State of Michigan provides a list of non-accredited
universities (i.e., diploma mills) in PDF format (see
http://tinyurl.com/l4epj). The list includes "Excelsior University (not
to be confused with Excelsior College in Albany, NY)." Excelsior
University ("a Vanuatu International Institution of higher education")
has its own website, www.excelsioruniversity-edu.org. At the bottom of
the online admission form, in tiny type, it says "Excelsior University
is accredited by the Central States Council on Distance Education, a
private accrediting agency. Excelsior University is not accredited by a
recognized accrediting agency or association recognized by the United
States Secretary of Education."
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Mark Steese
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furtive, foiled, dissatisfied
from meditation on the true
and insignificant.
danny burstein
[ big snips ]
>> Cached search results at http://tinyurl.com/mrx8q state "Excelsior
>> College, formerly Regents College, is America's first Virtual
>> University. At Excelsior College you can earn a degree at your own
>> pace in your own place."
>>
>> According to https://www.excelsior.edu/ , Excelsior's address is 7
>> Columbia Circle, Albany, NY.
>Excelsior (nee Regents) College is a distance-learning center, not a
>diploma mill; as Bill Bonde pointed out, their website says they've been
>accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools.
Excelsior (which is the NYS official motto...) is one of
the grand daddies of individualized, "virtual campus" (i.e.
no, or few physical classroom) accredited and recognized
institutions. It was formerly known as the Regents External
Degree Program, aka "REX" - that's Regents, as in the NYS group thereof
which decides school protocols, etc.
(It had some affiliation under the State University
of New York, but I don't recall the exact details).
It worked/works on a combination of exams, life experrience,
papers, other accreditations, licenses and certifications,
other college courses, etc., atc., and so forth.
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Bill Bonde ('The path is clear, though no eyes can see')
I wonder if you can instantly tell if they are accredited by looking at
whether they have a dot edu domain. Obviously "-edu.org" is not that.