Is there a dress code in the courtroom?
NadCixelsyd
defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
him about his dress. It got me to wondering.
I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
for jury duty. But what happens if I do something really absurd: (A)
Wear a clown costume - (B) Wear judges robes - (C) Wear pajamas and a
bathrobe (D) other(?). I've been called for jury duty 4-5 times in my
life. While people bitch-and-moan about it, I've never seen
prospective jurors act unusual in an attempt to avoid jury duty.
rroger
> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. The unshaven
> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
> him about his dress. It got me to wondering.
>
> I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
> for jury duty.
If that's true, why?
danny burstein
>On Sep 17, 8:12=A0am, NadCixelsyd <nadcixel...@aol.com> wrote:
>> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. =A0The unshaven
>> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
>> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
>> him about his dress. =A0It got me to wondering.
>>
>> I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
>> for jury duty.
>If that's true, why?
They don't want you taking pictures in the jury room.
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rroger
> In <46aefa6e-9ef8-4623-a2c1-836111052...@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> rroger <raust...@aol.com> writes:
>
> >On Sep 17, 8:12=A0am, NadCixelsyd <nadcixel...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. =A0The unshaven
> >> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> >> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
> >> him about his dress. =A0It got me to wondering.
>
> >> I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
> >> for jury duty.
> >If that's true, why?
>
> They don't want you taking pictures in the jury room.
I don't get it.
John Hatpin
I like Frank Zappa's description of a trial by jury, which went
something like this:
"Your innocence or guilt is determined by twelve members of the public
who are too dumb to get out of jury duty".
--
John Hatpin
Richard R. Hershberger
Well, there is the instance of the Trekkie alternate juror in the
Whitewater case. She was dismissed, but it was for talking to the
press, not for the uniform.
I have heard stories, however, of potential jurors dressing funny in
attempts to get out of jury duty who have been slapped with contempt
penalties by the judge. I suspect a lot depends on the judge, and on
how pressed the particular court is for jurors.
If you really want to get out of jury duty, there are more reliable
ways. Just wait for voir dire and express opinions such as "I believe
policemen frequently [or, if you prefer, "never"] lie in order to
obtain convictions." Or, if it is a civil case, "I believe plaintiffs
frequently fake their injuries to get money." You don't need to be
flamboyant about it.
Richard R. Hershberger
Mary
That's a little more cynical than it needs to be. I know intelligent
people who've been on jury duty and regard is as a civic
responsibility rather than a nuisance.
Mary
Bermuda999
This was covered last semester. You were told it would be on the final
exam.
Rox
I had jury duty about 12 years ago. We were all waiting in the
holding room they have you wait in before you're either picked to sit
in a jury or sent home. This guy came in with an uninflated pink
inner tube around his waist. He spend some time drinking coffee,
mooing, and making noise in the bathroom that was attached to the
room. When they had some judge come to us and give us the "You are
all great, we thank you for your service" talk he heckled the judge.
He was removed from the room. They told us later he wasn't called to
jury duty, he was just a homeless guy who wanted the coffee and snacks
so he walked right past security.
I don't think it's a good idea but I'm still getting free drinks from
casual aquaintances for telling that story in bars.
Mac
You heard about the (Despised Ethnic Minority) spy?
He invented a bowtie that looked like a camera.
Les Albert
The best one I heard was when a prospective juror was asked if he had
any opinion about the guilt or innocence of the defendant. He
replied, "Anyone who made it this far into the system probably did
something wrong.".
Les
Les Albert
wrote:
The court is concerned that a juror might wear the kind of bow tie
that lights up. That would be distracting:
Les
Slow Motion Apocalypse
We don't get free anything in LA County. If so then maybe it would be
tolerable.
Slow Motion Apocalypse
The one time I went last August I wore a button down something. But I
also drew anarchy symbols and pentagrams in my notebook when I wasn't
nodding off. I was very tired. I was out until 2 or 3am, at a gig a
few blocks from the courthouse. If I didn't have expensive and
prohibited electronics on me I would have just saved myself the bus
fare and slept on the courthouse steps.
Since I moved I am probably not going to bother to register to vote
and sit this next one out because I can't deal with this again any
time soon.
Veronique
> I had jury duty about 12 years ago. We were all waiting in the
> holding room they have you wait in before you're either picked to sit
> in a jury or sent home. This guy came in with an uninflated pink
> inner tube around his waist. He spend some time drinking coffee,
> mooing, and making noise in the bathroom that was attached to the
> room.
This was in Santa Cruz, wasn't it?
V.
--
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Charles Wm. Dimmick
> I have heard stories, however, of potential jurors dressing funny in
> attempts to get out of jury duty who have been slapped with contempt
> penalties by the judge. I suspect a lot depends on the judge, and on
> how pressed the particular court is for jurors.
>
> If you really want to get out of jury duty, there are more reliable
> ways. Just wait for voir dire and express opinions such as "I believe
> policemen frequently [or, if you prefer, "never"] lie in order to
> obtain convictions." Or, if it is a civil case, "I believe plaintiffs
> frequently fake their injuries to get money." You don't need to be
> flamboyant about it.
I have never tried to get out of jury duty, and yet I have never served
on a jury. I got as far as voir dire twice, and both times they asked me
a single question and then dismissed me. The first time it was "Who do
you work for?"; I answered "The State of Texas". DISMISSED!
The second time was "Do you know anyone connected with this case?"
"I know both lawyers and the judge". DISMISSED!
Charles
Slow Motion Apocalypse
I have a good friend who is a court reporter. She was on vacation that
week though.
Mac
Of course not. In Santa Cruz, that woulda been the judge.
Richard R. Hershberger
I would be astonished if I ever sat on a jury in a civil case, since I
am a litigation paralegal. I have worked both defense and plaintiff
side, but that isn't really the point. If I lived in an area where
they had difficulty rounding up jurors, that might be different. But
as it is, this is not a problem. I can imagine sitting on a jury in a
criminal case, but even that is a long shot.
Richard R. Hershberger
rroger
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Veronique
>
I don't get it, what's the deal with Santa Cruz? No, I've never been
there.
Slow Motion Apocalypse
>
> - Show quoted text -
I care about society as much as society has cared about me.
Rox
No. Jersey City, NJ.
Hactar
I have one cousin who's a felon, an aunt and uncle who are retired
bailiffs, and a cousin's spouse who's a cop. That, and I'm
reasonably good at spotting holes in and edge cases of theories.
So I'd probably get kicked off a jury in short order.
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Snidely
Ya hadta be there.
/dps
Snidely
<slowmotionapocaly...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Since I moved I am probably not going to bother to register to vote
> and sit this next one out because I can't deal with this again any
> time soon.
Fragility noted.
/dps
Slow Motion Apocalypse
Financially fragile. My job doesn't pay for jury duty and I have a
higher responsibility to pay rent, bills etc.
Les Albert
wrote:
>I have one cousin who's a felon, an aunt and uncle who are retired
>bailiffs, and a cousin's spouse who's a cop. That, and I'm
>reasonably good at spotting holes in and edge cases of theories.
>So I'd probably get kicked off a jury in short order.
Are you saying that you wouldn't be selected for a jury, or that you
would be selected and later thrown off the jury?
And can you describe a little clearer your special talent for
"spotting holes in and edge cases of theories". Is that something
that you would apply in the jury room that would get you kicked off
the jury?
Les
Mark Brader
> I got as far as voir dire twice, and both times they asked me
> a single question and then dismissed me. The first time it was "Who do
> you work for?"; I answered "The State of Texas". DISMISSED!
> The second time was "Do you know anyone connected with this case?"
> "I know both lawyers and the judge". DISMISSED!
My wife has never been called for jury duty, but I have twice.
The first time, the group called that week was divided into a number
of "panels", so they could say "Everyone on Panel 1, please step into
the hall" and lead us to a courtroom. For my panel this only happened
once. In the first batch of 18-20 names drawn by the clerk there were
two people who knew *each other*, and the judge excused (dismissed)
*both* of them.
That batch produced a total of 2 jurors. When the second batch of
names were read out, one of the woman seemed to be have an anxiety
attack, hyperventilating and muttering. The judge excused her at once,
but the defense attorney said "I think I heard her say something that
might have been prejudicial." He asked if they could speak in the
judge's chambers along with the court officials, but the judge said
that wasn't allowed.
So instead they cleared the courtroom and we in the jury panel all
went off to a vacant one to wait. (The jurors already selected went
somewhere separate.) The entire jury panel was then excused from the
case, including the two jurors already sworn in. I figured they'd
call another panel next, but I didn't see it happen.
The second time, I had a medical problem (and a doctor's note to prove
it). When I couldn't give a definite date as to how soon I'd be able
to serve, they effectively dismissed me for the entire year's selection
cycle.
--
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My text in this article is in the public domain.
Mitch
"I'd be a great juror! I can tell if someone is guilty just by looking
at them."
-Mitch
Hactar
Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:47:51 -0400, ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar)
> wrote:
>
> >I have one cousin who's a felon, an aunt and uncle who are retired
> >bailiffs, and a cousin's spouse who's a cop. That, and I'm
> >reasonably good at spotting holes in and edge cases of theories.
> >So I'd probably get kicked off a jury in short order.
>
> Are you saying that you wouldn't be selected for a jury, or that you
> would be selected and later thrown off the jury?
Probably during jury selection. Actually I've received a summons twice,
and got of both times by claiming "I'm a student and this would
interfere with my classes, possibly causing me to flunk". Which is
true.
> And can you describe a little clearer your special talent for
> "spotting holes in and edge cases of theories". Is that something
> that you would apply in the jury room that would get you kicked off
> the jury?
Maybe, if a lawyer attempted to use a piece of logic that was subtly
flawed.
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Snidely
<slowmotionapocaly...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 11:10 am, Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 17, 9:34 am, Slow Motion Apocalypse
>
> > <slowmotionapocaly...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > > Since I moved I am probably not going to bother to register to vote
> > > and sit this next one out because I can't deal with this again any
> > > time soon.
>
> > Fragility noted.
>
> higher responsibility to pay rent, bills etc.
Isn't there a financial hardship checkbox? On the other hand, did you
lose a month's rent this time around?
/dps
Slow Motion Apocalypse
They use their own criteria, which I am not privy to, to decide
financial hardship and decided I don't qualify. But I was having
serious problems by the time jury duty rolled around. I was looking
for another place, which is really difficult and also I was getting
"vibes" from my job and it was a while before I found out what was
going on.
Right now I am only working 32 hours a week at not a very high rate of
pay so I can't really bothered with this shit.
Les Albert
wrote:
>In article <prb796tt93du9pr3a...@4ax.com>,
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:47:51 -0400, ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I have one cousin who's a felon, an aunt and uncle who are retired
>> >bailiffs, and a cousin's spouse who's a cop. That, and I'm
>> >reasonably good at spotting holes in and edge cases of theories.
>> >So I'd probably get kicked off a jury in short order.
>>
>> Are you saying that you wouldn't be selected for a jury, or that you
>> would be selected and later thrown off the jury?
>
>Probably during jury selection. Actually I've received a summons twice,
>and got of both times by claiming "I'm a student and this would
>interfere with my classes, possibly causing me to flunk". Which is
>true.
>> And can you describe a little clearer your special talent for
>> "spotting holes in and edge cases of theories". Is that something
>> that you would apply in the jury room that would get you kicked off
>> the jury?
>Maybe, if a lawyer attempted to use a piece of logic that was subtly
>flawed.
If you spotted a logic flaw then that wouldn't get you kicked off the
jury; it would then be up to you to convince the others on the panel
of the logic of your conclusion. I think you would make a good jury
member. In fact, I am going to write to your county jury office and
insist that you should immediately be included in the next mailing
notice of jury duty!
Les
(Hang 'em high!)
Hactar
Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:56:21 -0400, ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <prb796tt93du9pr3a...@4ax.com>,
> >Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:47:51 -0400, ebenZ...@verizon.net (Hactar)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have one cousin who's a felon, an aunt and uncle who are retired
> >> >bailiffs, and a cousin's spouse who's a cop. That, and I'm
> >> >reasonably good at spotting holes in and edge cases of theories.
> >> >So I'd probably get kicked off a jury in short order.
>
> >> "spotting holes in and edge cases of theories". Is that something
> >> that you would apply in the jury room that would get you kicked off
> >> the jury?
>
> >Maybe, if a lawyer attempted to use a piece of logic that was subtly
> >flawed.
>
> If you spotted a logic flaw then that wouldn't get you kicked off the
> jury; it would then be up to you to convince the others on the panel
> of the logic of your conclusion. I think you would make a good jury
> member. In fact, I am going to write to your county jury office and
> insist that you should immediately be included in the next mailing
> notice of jury duty!
Good luck with that. Even assuming take your word, the fact that my
relatives are or were involved with law enforcement would probably
exclude me.
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John Hatpin
> On Sep 17, 9:10 am, John Hatpin
> <RemoveThisjfhop...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
> > NadCixelsyd wrote:
> > > This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. The unshaven
> > > defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> > > letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
> > > him about his dress. It got me to wondering.
> >
> > > I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
> > > for jury duty. But what happens if I do something really absurd: (A)
> > > Wear a clown costume - (B) Wear judges robes - (C) Wear pajamas and a
> > > bathrobe (D) other(?). I've been called for jury duty 4-5 times in my
> > > life. While people bitch-and-moan about it, I've never seen
> > > prospective jurors act unusual in an attempt to avoid jury duty.
> >
> > I like Frank Zappa's description of a trial by jury, which went
> > something like this:
> >
> > "Your innocence or guilt is determined by twelve members of the public
> > who are too dumb to get out of jury duty".
>
> That's a little more cynical than it needs to be. I know intelligent
> people who've been on jury duty and regard is as a civic
> responsibility rather than a nuisance.
Sure, but it's funny.
--
John Hatpin
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. The unshaven
> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
> him about his dress. It got me to wondering.
>
> I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
> for jury duty.
I've heard that raping a virgin can cure AIDS.
> But what happens if I do something really absurd: (A)
> Wear a clown costume - (B) Wear judges robes - (C) Wear pajamas and a
> bathrobe (D) other(?).
I've worn sweat pants to one jury service, every day after the first
day. The second day the judge asked me about it, and I said that my
slacks had too much metal in them and I wasn't going to have the
sheriff's deputies pawing at my crotch each day for the remainder of the
trial. The judge could either lump it or throw my in jail. He lumped it.
> I've been called for jury duty 4-5 times in my
> life. While people bitch-and-moan about it, I've never seen
> prospective jurors act unusual in an attempt to avoid jury duty.
I'm not sure what counts as unusual, but I've seen jurors act in ways
that to me seemed plainly calculated to evade service. I think the
judges also saw it the same way as I did. They would ask the
malingering jurors a series of "leading" questions that eventually got
them to admit that maybe they weren't so unsuitable for jury duty after
all. After all, the judges all had grey hair, and had probably been
around this block a few times.
Xho
Mary
> I care about society as much as society has cared about me.
Society? Who said anything about society? All there are is lots of
individuals.
Mary
Mary
> Xho Jingleheimerschmidt <xho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've worn sweat pants to one jury service
>
>
>
> What I won't do for $12.50.
>
> Andy
Now that's what mystifies me about jury duty. You go spend the day at
the courthouse, and they give you what - $20 or so? One of the guys
that works for me had jury duty and spent his day in the courthouse
(even though his wife is the manager of all the parole officers in their
county so he has inside info on literally all the cases and knew he'd
never be chosen) and they gave him a check for something like $17.50.
Let's see, at his current rate that pays for about half an hour of his
time. What on earth is the point?
Mary
Slow Motion Apocalypse
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't care about them either.
Mary
And you wonder why they also don't care about you.
Mary
Slow Motion Apocalypse
You have the cause and effect backwards there.
Peter Boulding
<9f643d8a-2e27-4135...@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>:
>> I care about society as much as society has cared about me.
>Society? Who said anything about society? All there are is lots of
>individuals.
You are Margaret Thatcher and I claim my five UKP.
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>
> In <46aefa6e-9ef8-4623...@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> rroger <raus...@aol.com> writes:
>
> >On Sep 17, 8:12=A0am, NadCixelsyd <nadcixel...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. =A0The unshaven
> >> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> >> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
> >>
> >> I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
> >> for jury duty.
>
>
> They don't want you taking pictures in the jury room.
Really?
Sano
news:111a8043-aaa9-417b...@a30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
> On Sep 17, 12:39 pm, "Charles Wm. Dimmick" <cdimm...@snet.net>
> wrote:
>> On 9/17/2010 10:14 AM, Richard R. Hershberger wrote:
>>
>> > I have heard stories, however, of potential jurors dressing funny
>> > in attempts to get out of jury duty who have been slapped with
>> > contempt penalties by the judge. I suspect a lot depends on the
>> > judge, and on how pressed the particular court is for jurors.
>>
>> > If you really want to get out of jury duty, there are more
>> > reliable ways. Just wait for voir dire and express opinions such
>> > as "I believ
> e
>> > policemen frequently [or, if you prefer, "never"] lie in order to
>> > obtain convictions." Or, if it is a civil case, "I believe
>> > plaintiff
> s
>> > frequently fake their injuries to get money." You don't need to
>> > be flamboyant about it.
>>
>> I have never tried to get out of jury duty, and yet I have never
>> served on a jury. I got as far as voir dire twice, and both times
>> they asked me a single question and then dismissed me. The first
>> time it was "Who do you work for?"; I answered "The State of
>> Texas". DISMISSED! The second time was "Do you know anyone
>> connected with this case?" "I know both lawyers and the judge".
>> DISMISSED!
>
> I would be astonished if I ever sat on a jury in a civil case, since
> I am a litigation paralegal. I have worked both defense and
> plaintiff side, but that isn't really the point. If I lived in an
> area where they had difficulty rounding up jurors, that might be
> different. But as it is, this is not a problem. I can imagine
> sitting on a jury in a criminal case, but even that is a long shot.
>
> Richard R. Hershberger
Yeah. I a have friend who's a lawyer. I think he was called twice in a
years time. Instant get-outta-jury-duty card.
Roy Smith
news:Xns9DF75C9...@216.168.3.70...
I served on a jury with a lawyer. We elected him foreman. I don't know
what his specialty was, but he paid for a parking spot near the courthouse,
so he must have been in there often enough to justify the cost.
Roy
Lee Ayrton
> I care about society as much as society has cared about me.
"It's a fair cop, but society's to blame."
"Agreed. We'll be arresting them too."
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
>
> I had jury duty about 12 years ago. We were all waiting in the
> holding room they have you wait in before you're either picked to sit
> in a jury or sent home. This guy came in with an uninflated pink
> inner tube around his waist. He spend some time drinking coffee,
> mooing, and making noise in the bathroom that was attached to the
> all great, we thank you for your service" talk he heckled the judge.
>
> He was removed from the room. They told us later he wasn't called to
> jury duty, he was just a homeless guy who wanted the coffee and snacks
> so he walked right past security.
We didn't get free coffee or snacks. There were vending machines in the
lounges, and a cafe stand outside the courthouse, paid in both cases.
The lady in the cafe stand told me it wouldn't be a problem to bring
coffee past the check point. She was right. Nail clippers? Nope.
Belt with metallic buckle? Nope. Boiling hot liquid? Sure, no problem.
Xho
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
> Mary <mrfea...@aol.c0m> wrote:
>
>> something like $17.50.
>>
>> Let's see, at his current rate that pays for about half an hour of his
>> time. What on earth is the point?
I figure if the state is going to have a minimum wage, they should at
least pay it to their jurors.
>
> It's tax free income.
Only if you are dishonest.
Xho
NadCixelsyd
> On Sep 17, 8:12 am, NadCixelsyd <nadcixel...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. The unshaven
> > defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> > letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
>
> > I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
> > for jury duty.
>
> If that's true, why?
People who wear bow ties are have a greater probability of being an
elitist snob. Defendants do not want snobs on the jury who would look
down their noses at them.
Les Albert
But what if the defendant is an elitest snob? Do you think he would
want to be judged by some lowlife who doesn't wear a bow tie?
I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a
practical person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into
his soup.
Les
Slow Motion Apocalypse
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:31:34 -0700 (PDT), NadCixelsyd
>
Do you wear a bow tie?
Les Albert
No. Never have.
Les
Heather
When I was on jury duty, they paid us $12 a day, which was barely
enough for my train fare into the city and would not have covered
parking fees, let alone petrol. I doubt we were expected to declare it
as income. We had to go and buy our own lunch except on the day we
were considering our verdict when sandwiches were provided.
--
Heather
Lesmond
>On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:14:28 -0700 (PDT), "Richard R. Hershberger"
><rrh...@acme.com> wrote:
>>On Sep 17, 8:12ÿam, NadCixelsyd <nadcixel...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. ÿThe unshaven
>>> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
>>> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
>>> him about his dress. ÿIt got me to wondering.
>>> I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
>>> for jury duty. ÿBut what happens if I do something really absurd: (A)
>>> Wear a clown costume - (B) Wear judges robes - (C) Wear pajamas and a
>>> bathrobe (D) other(?). ÿI've been called for jury duty 4-5 times in my
>>> life. ÿWhile people bitch-and-moan about it, I've never seen
>>> prospective jurors act unusual in an attempt to avoid jury duty.
>
>>Well, there is the instance of the Trekkie alternate juror in the
>>Whitewater case. She was dismissed, but it was for talking to the
>>press, not for the uniform.
>>I have heard stories, however, of potential jurors dressing funny in
>>attempts to get out of jury duty who have been slapped with contempt
>>penalties by the judge. I suspect a lot depends on the judge, and on
>>how pressed the particular court is for jurors.
>>If you really want to get out of jury duty, there are more reliable
>>ways. Just wait for voir dire and express opinions such as "I believe
>>policemen frequently [or, if you prefer, "never"] lie in order to
>>obtain convictions." Or, if it is a civil case, "I believe plaintiffs
>>frequently fake their injuries to get money." You don't need to be
>>flamboyant about it.
>
>
>The best one I heard was when a prospective juror was asked if he had
>any opinion about the guilt or innocence of the defendant. He
>replied, "Anyone who made it this far into the system probably did
>something wrong.".
Eh. I liked my jury duty. The judge just said, "I don't want to waste
anyone's time more than I want mine wasted. If anyone wants to leave, they
are free to."
--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
Les Albert
That would be unheard of here in N. CA. They (court officials) are
always complaining about not having a large enough jury pool. A lot
of immigrant jury selectees use the excuse in the courtroom that they
do not understand English well enough to sit on a jury. Judges
usually question them about that, and a couple of times I have heard
the judge verbally ream out jurors for using that as an excuse after
the jurors admitted he/she had been in the U.S. for over 25 years.
Les
John Mc
>
> If you really want to get out of jury duty, there are more reliable
> ways. Just wait for voir dire and express opinions such as "I believe
> policemen frequently [or, if you prefer, "never"] lie in order to
> obtain convictions." Or, if it is a civil case, "I believe plaintiffs
> frequently fake their injuries to get money." You don't need to be
> flamboyant about it.
>
> Richard R. Hershberger
So it's best to tell the truth about the police and their testi-lying if
one doesn't want to serve on a jury. I have little respect for most law
enforcement personnel. Note the attempts to prosecute individuals for
filming them in action. If you're not doing anything wrong, WHAT are you
afraid of? I read one police department's reasoning for this as being -
"We sometimes use methods that the public might not be comfortable
with to obtain information." Okay, Soooooooo- you don't want us to see
the rubber hose?
John Mc.
Bill Turlock
>
> On Sep 17, 9:25 am, danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
> > In <46aefa6e-9ef8-4623-a2c1-836111052...@j19g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> rroger <raust...@aol.com> writes:
> >
> > >On Sep 17, 8:12=A0am, NadCixelsyd <nadcixel...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. =A0The unshaven
> > >> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> > >> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
> >
> > >> I've heard that a bow tie makes it less likely that you will be picked
> > >> for jury duty.
> >
>
You've probably all got it by now, but if not...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAhyiGp-huk
~1:30
SFW, bad voice sync in places, though
Bill Turlock
I took a few pre-law courses, and scored in the 95th %ile on the
LSAT. I'd never thought about that in the context of jury duty.
If it ever comes up again, and I don't want to go (right now the
$5/day looks pretty attractive) I'll use it.
groo
>
> I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
> probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a
> practical person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into
> his soup.
What if it is a clip-on bow tie? The whole THING could fall into his soup!
--
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even
remotely true." - Homer Simpson
Mark Steese
news:Xns9DF9E152F20CC94...@81.169.183.62:
> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
>> probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a
>> practical person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into
>> his soup.
>
> What if it is a clip-on bow tie? The whole THING could fall into his
> soup!
And isn't not ordering soup while you're wearing a necktie more practical
than seeking out a reliable purveyor of bow ties? One could argue that the
guy just really, really loves soup, but there's nothing practical about a
love for soup so deep that it drives a man to wear bow ties.
--
The main house contained a carefully tuned piano at which Harris, without
any previous musical training, could play and thereby invoke his Lily Queen
into "electro-vital form." -Robert Hine
Robin Coutellier
099c75...@g10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, nadci...@aol.com says...
>
> This question was prompted by an episode of Judge Judy. The unshaven
> defendant showed up in Judy's court wearing a T-shirt with bold
> letters, "BEER IS GOOD". I won't get into the banter between Judy and
This is a photo (on Kim's Darwinexception site, by coincidence) of
"Punkin Pie", aka Irene Elizabeth Laughlin, TESTIFYING at Phil Spector's
first murder trial in 2007.
Is there a dress code in court? You decide.
Robin
Robin Coutellier
says...
I suppose it would help to provide the link:
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/0/7/7/7/5/webimg/58262179_o.jpg
Robin
Rick B.
news:MPG.270225e85...@news.newsguy.com:
> In article <MPG.270214df3...@news.newsguy.com>, n...@no.no
> says...
>> This is a photo (on Kim's Darwinexception site, by coincidence) of
>> "Punkin Pie", aka Irene Elizabeth Laughlin, TESTIFYING at Phil Spector's
>> first murder trial in 2007.
>>
>> Is there a dress code in court? You decide.
>
> I suppose it would help to provide the link:
>
> http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/0/7/7/7/5/webimg/58262179_o.jpg
That pic skeeved out Firefox so badly that it made me use an external program
to open it.
Lesmond
Yep, it made me download it. Now my husband is gonna have some questions.
But I'll leave it to him if he wants to delete it.
Nick Spalding
on 21 Sep 2010 11:12:56 GMT:
IE8 invoked from Agent had no trouble with it.
--
Nick Spalding
Lee Ayrton
Chromium under Ubuntu wouldn't open it either, it quietly downloaded and
closed the tab.
Lee Ayrton
> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
>> probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a practical
>> person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into his soup.
>
> What if it is a clip-on bow tie? The whole THING could fall into his
> soup!
Clip-on ties of any type are an abomination. I learned to tie a bowtie.
For straight ties I use the Windsor knot.
darkon
I think the last time I wore a tie was to the funeral of my last
grandparent to die. I may wear one to my parents' funerals (if they
care -- I should ask), but other than that I've not bothered. Even if
it's loose a tie makes me feel like I'm choking. And they're useless
and serve no purpose other than having a phallic symbol hanging from
your neck.
Les Albert
wrote:
A necktie is a phallic symbol? Did you read that somewhere, or did
you originate that thought?
Les
Les Albert
wrote:
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
>> probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a
>> practical person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into
>> his soup.
>What if it is a clip-on bow tie? The whole THING could fall into his soup!
Clip-on ties have a safety line attached to them that gets wrapped
around the top shirt button. They only fall about 6". However, the
bow ties with an elastic strap that goes around the underside of the
shirt collar can have a catastrophic failure, and they can fly across
the table into someone else's soup. The proper procedure if that
happens is to ask the person, "May I trouble you for that bow tie.">
Les
Mac
Les Albert
Who he?
Les
Opus the Penguin
>
> Clip-on ties of any type are an abomination. I learned to tie a
> bowtie. For straight ties I use the Windsor knot.
>
Full or half?
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
Opus the Penguin
Are you sure? Ever worn a tux?
Les Albert
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Les Albert (lalb...@aol.com) wrote:
>> Slow Motion Apocalypse <slowmotion...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>Do you wear a bow tie?
>> No. Never have.
>Are you sure? Ever worn a tux?
Yeah, I was thinking of that after I posted. Rented tuxedos always
made one look like the wearer was deformed, so I bought my own tux
years ago when I was attending some formal affairs on a regular basis.
The bow tie was a regular tie-it-yourself.
Les
Mac
wrote:
A great North Shore boatbuilder, and a man who felt one man was as
good as another, with the possible exception that them who build boats
might have been an elevated caste. That went in spades for a client
who saw himself as his boatbuilder's social superior.
He reacted to client insubordination by snipping their ties.
Les Albert
>>>Fred Dion lives!
>>Who he?
There was a restaurant in Carefree, AZ that I went to years ago that
did the same with the ties. Then they pinned the snipped part on the
ceiling.
Les
Nasti J
> I don't get it, what's the deal withSantaCruz? No, I've never been
> there.
As an example:
"Waiting in the checkout line in the Pro-Build hardware store in Santa
Cruz, John Balawejder couldn't help noticing the customer in front of
him -"shaved head w/arrow-crewcut Mohawk, many piercings and earlobe
hangings, tattooed to the max" - who was "popping and scatting like a
jazz singer on steroids."
At first, Balawejder found himself staring, and then his "personal
bizarre lightbulb went on" and he grabbed some lengths of PVC pipe and
blew on them, creating a kind of elephant sound. The first customer
looked back, smiled and increased his popping.
"Seconds later, I heard a scraping sound, and looking back, saw a
fellow using a piece of wooden dowel to scrape the ribbed side of his
plastic shopping cart. Then the guy behind him started in by shaking
the metal balls inside his spray paint cans." Finally a plumber
started "clanging two pieces of metal pipe together.
"Our anvil chorus continued for a few minutes when an old gal in hair
flowers, long gown and other hippie paraphernalia stopped by to gaze
at us, and sighed softly, 'Only in Santa Cruz.' "
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/garchik/#ixzz10BZWRvRi
Peter Ward
There was one in Tucson which did that when I was over there.
--
Peter, from outside the asylum
I'm an alien
email: usenet at peterward dot adsl24 dot co dot uk
http://blowinsmoke.wordpress.com/
This is usenet. Just redefine the word to fit your argument.
- Groo
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Also a steakhouse in or near Denver, Colorado. Decorated with both
snipped ties and jackalopes.
Charles
Hactar
Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:09:09 +0000 (UTC), groo <afca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
> >> probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a
> >> practical person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into
> >> his soup.
>
> >What if it is a clip-on bow tie? The whole THING could fall into his soup!
>
> Clip-on ties have a safety line attached to them that gets wrapped
> around the top shirt button. They only fall about 6".
You must buy the expensive kind.
--
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The neutrino replies "Nope, just passing through." -- rdu_voyager on Fark
Les Albert
wrote:
>In article <gukh96t38idec5vt4...@4ax.com>,
>Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:09:09 +0000 (UTC), groo <afca...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
>> >> probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a
>> >> practical person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into
>> >> his soup.
>> >What if it is a clip-on bow tie? The whole THING could fall into his soup!
>> Clip-on ties have a safety line attached to them that gets wrapped
>> around the top shirt button. They only fall about 6".
>You must buy the expensive kind.
When you got it, flaunt it!
Les
Nasti J
> There was a restaurant in Carefree, AZ that I went to years ago that
> did the same with the ties. Then they pinned the snipped part on the
> ceiling.
They still do. Pinnacle Peak Patio is actually located in Scottsdale
AZ:
http://i.azcentral.com/i/sized/2/2/7/e298/j350/PHP4C6EC50BA4722.jpg
A developer wants to tear it down and build a resort with vacation
homes and a parking garage in its place.
Mark Steese
@reader1.panix.com:
Heathen. The only true necktie knot is the four-in-hand.
--
There can be no doubt that the public--both in and out of the courtroom--
was as titillated by the mention of voodoo as they were by the presence of
Sharon's socks and undershirt. -Lynn Hudson
Les Albert
That's the place! I was trying to see if I could locate my tie on the
ceiling. The business meeting was in Carefree, and later that evening
we drove to the restaurant, so I didn't know it was in Scottsdale.
Les
groo
OK, Mr. Blackwell. I suppose next you'll tell us that the well-dressed
gentleman can't even attach his tie with a stapler.
--
Or a nail gun for wool ties.
Les Albert
wrote:
>Lee Ayrton <lay...@panix.com.nul> wrote:
Duct tape is the in-thing bowtie attachment.
Les
Mac
wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:45:30 +0000 (UTC), groo <afca...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Lee Ayrton <lay...@panix.com.nul> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:09:09 +0000, groo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think you are wrong about a bow tie wearer having a greater
>>>>> probablility of being an elitist snob. A bow tie wearer is a practical
>>>>> person who doesn't want his tie to accidentally fall into his soup.
>>>>
>>>> What if it is a clip-on bow tie? The whole THING could fall into his
>>>> soup!
>>>
>>> Clip-on ties of any type are an abomination. I learned to tie a bowtie.
>>> For straight ties I use the Windsor knot.
>>>
>>
>>OK, Mr. Blackwell. I suppose next you'll tell us that the well-dressed
>>gentleman can't even attach his tie with a stapler.
>
>
>Duct tape is the in-thing bowtie attachment.
Real men use nail guns.
Robin Coutellier
says...
> Clip-on ties of any type are an abomination. I learned to tie a bowtie.
> For straight ties I use the Windsor knot.
They now have "zipper ties". My stepfather is converting to my mother's
religion and needs to start wearing ties for church, but he's ready to
never to even get baptized if he has to wear a tie because tying it is
too difficult to get right. So Mom just bought him a bunch of zipper
ones that he can slip over his head and just pull up the knot to fit.
They aren't as likely to show that they are pre-tied as clip-ons and
they won't fall off.
Robin
Robin Coutellier
deep...@sprynet.com.aq says...
>
> Robin Coutellier <n...@no.no> wrote in
> news:MPG.270225e85...@news.newsguy.com:
>
> > In article <MPG.270214df3...@news.newsguy.com>, n...@no.no
> > says...
>
> >> This is a photo (on Kim's Darwinexception site, by coincidence) of
> >> "Punkin Pie", aka Irene Elizabeth Laughlin, TESTIFYING at Phil Spector's
> >> first murder trial in 2007.
> >>
> >> Is there a dress code in court? You decide.
> >
> > I suppose it would help to provide the link:
> >
> > http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/0/7/7/7/5/webimg/58262179_o.jpg
>
> That pic skeeved out Firefox so badly that it made me use an external program
> to open it.
It's in other places, too:
On Webshots:
http://news.webshots.com/photo/2526897700101569746RAAcLm
A Daylife cached version:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07IveOzdeMcSz/610x.jpg
Mind you, it's not surprising that various browsers find the photo so
skeevy that they are embarassed to show it to anyone.
Ladies, if you are uncertain as to whether or not you should wear a bra
and/or go low-cut in public, PLEASE look at this photo before going out
that way. And for ALL THAT IS HOLY, don't get on a witness stand in a
televised trial looking like this!
And this photo only shows what you could see above the desktop. The
"top" (if you could call it that) actually went much lower, was held
together in a single spot by some big ornamental fastener, and then
flared out again to show her saggy belly (she's in her 50s). Apparently
she thought the suit jacket was all that what was required to meet the
definition of conservative courtroom attire.
Robin
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
That's because the web server serves it up with a header of:
Content-Type: binary/octet-stream
If the server intended the browser to render it, it would serve it up with:
Content-Type: image/gif
(Or similar, I don't know if it would be jpg or jpeg)
Xho
groo
> They now have "zipper ties". My stepfather is converting to my
> mother's religion and needs to start wearing ties for church, but he's
> ready to never to even get baptized if he has to wear a tie because
> tying it is too difficult to get right. So Mom just bought him a
> bunch of zipper ones that he can slip over his head and just pull up
> the knot to fit. They aren't as likely to show that they are pre-tied
> as clip-ons and they won't fall off.
>
I don't get it. If you pull it over your head and pull up the knot,
what's the function of the zipper? It just sounds like a pre-tied tie.
--
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's
even remotely true." - Homer Simpson
groo
>
> Clip-on ties have a safety line attached to them that gets wrapped
> around the top shirt button. They only fall about 6". However, the
> bow ties with an elastic strap that goes around the underside of the
> shirt collar can have a catastrophic failure, and they can fly across
> the table into someone else's soup. The proper procedure if that
> happens is to ask the person, "May I trouble you for that bow tie.">
>
"Waiter, what's that tie doing in my soup?"
Peter Boulding
<Xns9DFAD2363956A94...@85.214.73.210>:
>> Clip-on ties have a safety line attached to them that gets wrapped
>> around the top shirt button. They only fall about 6". However, the
>> bow ties with an elastic strap that goes around the underside of the
>> shirt collar can have a catastrophic failure, and they can fly across
>> the table into someone else's soup. The proper procedure if that
>> happens is to ask the person, "May I trouble you for that bow tie.">
>"Waiter, what's that tie doing in my soup?"
I'm sorry, Sir: I thought you ordered the Thai soup.
--
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Robin Coutellier
afca...@gmail.com says...
>
> Robin Coutellier <n...@no.no> wrote:
>
> > They now have "zipper ties". My stepfather is converting to my
> > mother's religion and needs to start wearing ties for church, but he's
> > ready to never to even get baptized if he has to wear a tie because
> > tying it is too difficult to get right. So Mom just bought him a
> > bunch of zipper ones that he can slip over his head and just pull up
> > the knot to fit. They aren't as likely to show that they are pre-tied
> > as clip-ons and they won't fall off.
> >
>
> I don't get it. If you pull it over your head and pull up the knot,
> what's the function of the zipper? It just sounds like a pre-tied tie.
It IS a pre-tied tie. The zipper part, um, zips up to make the noos--
er--loop smaller and to firmly hold it in place.
Googling "zipper tie" will bring up a lot of results, including:
http://www.absoluteties.com/whisziticlhe1.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cR2tAUpJE&feature=related
Personally, I see no need for modern-day ties as REQUIREMENTS for
business/conservative attire. They're ridiculous. Why should anyone
have to wear something that constricts their neck and assists assailants
in choking, yanking or otherwise injuring their prey, to say nothing of
what happens if a worn tie get caught in machinery.
I think I read somewhere once that the origins of ties were to have
something handy to wipe one's mouth and hands on back in medieval times.
While it's true that some people still need something to wipe their
mouths and hands on while eating, noawadays napkins or paper towels are
much more acceptable to use for that purpose than one's tie.
Robin
Mac
>what happens if a worn tie get caught in machinery.
>
>I think I read somewhere once that the origins of ties were to have
>something handy to wipe one's mouth and hands on back in medieval times.
Thou hast committed--
Motto-application: but that was in another newsgroup;
And besides, the froup's half-dead.
>While it's true that some people still need something to wipe their
>mouths and hands on while eating, noawadays napkins or paper towels are
>much more acceptable to use for that purpose than one's tie.
If the are so pointless and evil, isn't damned well good enough for
them?
Hactar
Peter Boulding <pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 03:40:02 +0000 (UTC), groo <afca...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <Xns9DFAD2363956A94...@85.214.73.210>:
>
> >> Clip-on ties have a safety line attached to them that gets wrapped
> >> around the top shirt button. They only fall about 6". However, the
> >> bow ties with an elastic strap that goes around the underside of the
> >> shirt collar can have a catastrophic failure, and they can fly across
> >> the table into someone else's soup. The proper procedure if that
> >> happens is to ask the person, "May I trouble you for that bow tie.">
>
> >"Waiter, what's that tie doing in my soup?"
>
> I'm sorry, Sir: I thought you ordered the Thai soup.
"Don't take that attitude with me! I'll have you know, I'm a TIE fighter."
(Yes, he's a spaceship. It's a stretch.)
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> A: It's annoying as hell
> Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger
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S. Checker
> Personally, I see no need for modern-day ties as REQUIREMENTS for
> business/conservative attire. They're ridiculous. Why should anyone
> have to wear something that constricts their neck and assists assailants
> in choking, yanking or otherwise injuring their prey, to say nothing of
> what happens if a worn tie get caught in machinery.
While I agree that they shouldn't be required I do think that a
man wearing a good suit and a tie is a nice thing to look at. That's
why James Bond is infrequently seen in Dockers and a Lands End shirt.
We walked past an outdoor wedding a week or so ago, I think the groom
may have had a tie on but he was about the only one. I'd say that the
other people were dressed to go to Wal*Mart but they were dressed like
/I'd/ dress to go to Wal*Mart. Probably what they wear there is
featured on that web site.
Yes, I am a clothing snob, at times. Which is funny since when I'm
off-duty I'll wear clothing until it falls apart or walks away on its
own.
--
I woke up thinking about Turkish drummers
It didn't take long - I don't know much about Turkish drummers.
-- Bruce Cockburn