16 Kcal ME per biscuit
Jeff Green
The old box (milk bones or whatever) had a calorie count on it I could
understand, 20. What's this 16 Kcal ME supposed to mean? And I don't
mean what's the science behind heating a litre of something one degree
Celsius, just how many normal every day calories are we talking about here?
Thanks.
J
art...@yahoo.com
Perhaps this will help
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/132/6/1796S/T1
Atwater factors (2) ME (kcal) = (4 x g protein) + (9 x g fat) + (4 x
g NFE)
Modified Atwater factors (4) ME (kcal) = (3.5 x g protein) + (8.5 x g
fat) + (3.5 x g NFE)
Interactive methods
By gross energy (6) ME (kcal) = GE (kcal/g) x 1.209–1.911
By fiber (8) Dog food:
Step 1: Determine GE by bomb calorimetry [or calculate GE kcal =
(5.73 x g protein) + (9.08 x g fat) + 4.06x (g NFE + g fiber)]
Step 2: Percentage energy digestibility = 91.2 - (1.43 x percentage
crude fiber in dry matter)
Step 3: ME = (GE x percentage digestibility/100) - (1.04 x g protein)
Cat food:
Step 1: Determine GE by bomb calorimetry [or calculate GE kcal =
(5.73 x g protein) + (9.08 x g fat) + 4.06 x (g NFE + g fiber)]
Step 2: Percentage energy digestibility = 87.9 - (0.88 x percentage
crude fiber in dry matter)
Step 3: ME = (GE x percentage digestibility/100) - (0.74 x g protein)
I'm guessing that NFE=carbs since they have 4 cals/g (note that these
cals are really kcals)
Hactar
1 Kcal = 1000 calories = 1 Calorie
No idea what "ME" is, except a version of Windows.
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plausible prose man
Here's the deal; how fat is your dog? If you run your hands up and
down the side of your dog...can you feel your dog's ribs? You know,
individually? Does your dog have a waist? If the answers to these
questions are "no," quit feeding your dog until you can. A dog can go
three four days without eating, and a day or two longer if your dog is
fat. You are not doing your dog favors if you let her get fat, unless
she has cancer or something that'll kill her or make her ride-the-
needle sick in the next six months.
D.F. Manno
Cindbear <cind...@phonehome.com> wrote:
> Why are you eating dog biscuits?
Because he's hungry?
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Ray
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:33:06 -0400, Jeff Green
Like these folks?
http://homelessness.change.org/blog/view/seniors_eat_dog_food_to_avoid_homelessness
Probably better than a lot of junk food, though.
Jeff Green
> In article<i78qvj$328$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jeff Green<jeffin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to figure out the calorie count of these darned dog biscuits.
>> The old box (milk bones or whatever) had a calorie count on it I could
>> understand, 20. What's this 16 Kcal ME supposed to mean? And I don't
>> mean what's the science behind heating a litre of something one degree
>> Celsius, just how many normal every day calories are we talking about here?
>
> 1 Kcal = 1000 calories = 1 Calorie
>
> No idea what "ME" is, except a version of Windows.
Thanks, that's what I needed to know. Kcal is the same as the old
listing, Calorie, just more scientific.
Is this a new thing?
J
Nick Spalding
on Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:34:09 -0400:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:33:06 -0400, Jeff Green
> Why are you eating dog biscuits?
I don't recall the brand but in my early days there was one variety of dog
biscuits which were quite tasty.
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Lee Ayrton
In my day, destitute seniors ate cat food. How times have changed.
Hactar
Less ambiguous. A calorie is the same thing you met in Physics class,
4.18 joules. A dietary Calorie is actually a 1000 of those, a
kilocalorie (Kcal), called by a less confusing name.
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Paul Madarasz
wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:08:26 +0100, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
>wrote:
>I often admired how tartar free your teeth look.
But is he getting enough cheese?
Mark Brader
> Thanks, that's what I needed to know. Kcal is the same as the old
> listing, Calorie, just more scientific.
Actually Kcal is an error; it should be kcal. Prefixes below mega-
become small letters in the unit symbols.
> Is this a new thing?
Not really. The OED has cites for both the large and the small calorie
dating from the 19th century. However, the user communities for both
units tended to take the view that "We know which one we mean, so why
take account of anyone else's version?" Sort of like with gallons or
tons. So the question really is "When did the large-calorie people
start paying enough attention to express them in small calories -- or
capitalizing the large calorie -- for the sake of non-ambiguity?"
This I don't really know, but I think it's been going on for a while.
Of course, with the coming of SI, all versions of the calorie became
unacceptable; what people *should* be using is joules (or more likely kJ).
And these, too, are seen in some quarters.
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Greg Goss
One dietary calorie is one Kilocalorie as the chemists use it. So
it's now 16 Kcal (chemists calories). I'm not sure what ME means, but
probably that you're talking about chemists calories.
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Snidely
> Jeff Green <jeffinput...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I'm trying to figure out the calorie count of these darned dog biscuits.
> >The old box (milk bones or whatever) had a calorie count on it I could
> >understand, 20. What's this 16 Kcal ME supposed to mean? And I don't
> >mean what's the science behind heating a litre of something one degree
> >Celsius, just how many normal every day calories are we talking about here?
>
> One dietary calorie is one Kilocalorie as the chemists use it. So
> it's now 16 Kcal (chemists calories). I'm not sure what ME means, but
> probably that you're talking about chemists calories.
Art's post suggests that it represents an adjusted value, and the
following Cycle Pedal Wikitannica quote suggests that it represents
*metabolizable energy*:
"The energy requirement for adult cats range from 60-70 kcal
metabolizable energy/kg body weight per day for inactive cats to 80-90
kcal/kg BW for active cats. [...][11]"
And BW would refer to bodyweight, it seems.
Snidely
> In article <i78qvj$32...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jeff Green <jeffinput...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to figure out the calorie count of these darned dog biscuits.
> > The old box (milk bones or whatever) had a calorie count on it I could
> > understand, 20. What's this 16 Kcal ME supposed to mean? And I don't
> > mean what's the science behind heating a litre of something one degree
> > Celsius, just how many normal every day calories are we talking about here?
>
> 1 Kcal = 1000 calories = 1 Calorie
>
> No idea what "ME" is, except a version of Windows.
Look through it for my reply to Greg ...
/dps "no glass fibers"