Bugs Bunny theme song lyrics?
BobKinDC
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David Samuel Barr
>
> I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
Which "theme song" do you have in mind?
There were two old pop songs, instrumental versions of which were used
for the "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" cartoon intros: "The
Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" by Cliff Friend & David Franklin and "Merrily
We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor, Murray Mencher & Charles Tobias,
respectively. The original songs do have lyrics, but they've got nothing
to do with the cartoons.
Then there's "This Is It", written by Mack David & Jerry Livingston,
which was used as the theme for the various incarnations of ABC's WB
cartoon hours. This is the one which usually opened with Bugs & Daffy
(later joined by others of the cast) doing a production number, singing:
"Overture, curtain. lights!
This is it, the night of nights!
No more rehearsing and nursing a part;
We know every part by heart.
Overture, curtain, lights!
This is it, you'll hit the heights!
And oh what heights we'll hit.
On with the show, this is it!
Gary S. Callison
: BobKinDC wrote:
: > I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
: Which "theme song" do you have in mind?
The one *I* always think of is the one where Daffy sings along with the
music while dancing across the countryside. "Please pass the ketchup, I
think it's going to rain" and "Please turn up the radio, I want to fly a
kite" were lyrics. Anybody have the complete text of that one?
--
Huey
J. Michael Looney
>
>BobKinDC wrote:
>>
>> I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
>
>Which "theme song" do you have in mind?
>
>for the "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" cartoon intros: "The
>Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" by Cliff Friend & David Franklin and "Merrily
>We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor, Murray Mencher & Charles Tobias,
>respectively. The original songs do have lyrics, but they've got nothing
>to do with the cartoons.
>
Oh, wait, that _is_ one of the times it's spelled that way...
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Dutch Courage
>In article <38325B...@mindspring.com>, dsb...@mindspring.com says...
>
>> "Overture, curtain. lights!
>> This is it, the night of nights!
>> No more rehearsing and nursing a part;
>> We know every part by heart.
>>
>> Overture, curtain, lights!
>> This is it, you'll hit the heights!
>> And oh what heights we'll hit.
>> On with the show, this is it!
>
>Many thanks to Mr. D.S. Barr, who made my weekly staff meeting an
>experience to be savored, what with this jolly tune endlessly running
>through my memory banks...
Anyone else thinking this is the code word for "Let's get it on" at the
Stafford household?
Bom-CHICK-a-wah-wah.
"I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn
human actions, but to understand them" -Spinoza
"The ridiculing and scorn, that's just gravy."-Courage
Dr Lisa Catera
>Date: Wed, 17 November 1999 11:10 AM EST
>Message-id: <19991117111025...@ng-fl1.aol.com>
>
>Scott K. Stafford sco...@UNSPAM.together.net writes:
>
>>In article <38325B...@mindspring.com>, dsb...@mindspring.com says...
>>
>>> "Overture, curtain. lights!
>>> This is it, the night of nights!
>>> No more rehearsing and nursing a part;
>>> We know every part by heart.
>>>
>>> Overture, curtain, lights!
>>> This is it, you'll hit the heights!
>>> And oh what heights we'll hit.
>>> On with the show, this is it!
>>
>>Many thanks to Mr. D.S. Barr, who made my weekly staff meeting an
>>experience to be savored, what with this jolly tune endlessly running
>>through my memory banks...
>
>
> Anyone else thinking this is the code word for "Let's get it on" at the
>Stafford household?
I think you are assuming more people involved than needed. Surely getting it on
would not require more than Mr. Stafford and his "staff". I mean --- don't you
get a funny feeling sometimes when Bugs dresses as a girl bunny?
Dutch Courage
>think you are assuming more people involved than needed. Surely getting it on
>would not require more than Mr. Stafford and his "staff".
I'm imagining him preparing for the weekly staff meeting with a little Frank
Sinatra, thusly:
"Those finger through my hair
That shy come-hither stare
Mmm-mmm that leads me there,
It's withcraft, witchcraft..."
> I mean --- don't
>you
>get a funny feeling sometimes when Bugs dresses as a girl bunny?
What do you mean, funny?
Sam Carmean
: Overture, curtain, lights!
: This is it, you'll hit the heights!
And now for your amusement, what I thought these two lines were when I
was about six years old:
"Oh, picture! Turn the lights!
This is it, your hipper heights!"
No, I didn't care one bit whether it made sense.
Mark Hanson
> BobKinDC wrote:
> >
> > I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
>
> Which "theme song" do you have in mind?
>
> There were two old pop songs, instrumental versions of which were used
> for the "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" cartoon intros: "The
> Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" by Cliff Friend & David Franklin
Which, if memory serves, is sung by Bob Hoskins' character near the end of
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" in an attempt to distract the weasels.
Mark
Rich Clancey
+ In article <38325B...@mindspring.com>, dsb...@mindspring.com says...
+ > "Overture, curtain. lights!
+ > This is it, the night of nights!
+ > No more rehearsing and nursing a part;
+ > We know every part by heart.
+ >
+ > Overture, curtain, lights!
+ > This is it, you'll hit the heights!
+ > And oh what heights we'll hit.
+ > On with the show, this is it!
+ Many thanks to Mr. D.S. Barr, who made my weekly staff meeting an
+ experience to be savored, what with this jolly tune endlessly running
+ through my memory banks...
Well, I knew if I stayed up and read posts for another twenty
minutes I could get "We'll Sing in the Sunshine" out of my head.
Sufferin Succotash, this newsgroup is going to drive me insane...
Major M
they think that I'm insane.
Please pass the ketchup,
I think it's going to rain.
You can't bounce a meatball,
try with all your might.
Turn up the radio,
I want to fly a kite.
That's all (I recall) folks.
In article <s35ikh...@corp.supernews.com>, hu...@interaccess.com says...
>
>David Samuel Barr (dsb...@mindspring.com) wrote:
>: BobKinDC wrote:
>: > I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
>: Which "theme song" do you have in mind?
>
Jason Quick
"Hey, what's up, doc?
What's cookin'?
What's up, doc?"
I think this might be the theme song in question.
Full lyrics, anyone?
Jason
Remove the first dot to reply
Doug Yanega
> David Samuel Barr (dsb...@mindspring.com) wrote:
> : BobKinDC wrote:
> : > I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
> : Which "theme song" do you have in mind?
>
> The one *I* always think of is the one where Daffy sings along with the
> music while dancing across the countryside. "Please pass the ketchup, I
> think it's going to rain" and "Please turn up the radio, I want to fly a
> kite" were lyrics. Anybody have the complete text of that one?
That's a bit of a take-off on the first song Bugs ever *did* sing, which went
-------
All the world was gay,
Swinging on its way,
Things were lookin' brighter day by day
Nothin' ever wrong
Life was just a song
Til those Looney Tunes came along
Ohhhhhhh...
I'm goin' cuckoo, woo-woo
Here comes the choo-choo, woo-woo
I am getting looney-tuney tetched in the head
Please pass the ketchup
I think I'll go to bed
Am I a screwball, woo-woo
Behind the eight-ball, woo-woo
Once I knew a thing or two
But now I'm a [Bufferoo?]
[indecipherable nonsense line, sort of like "Ching ching ching ching
Harley"] woo-woo
---------
As I recall, this was Bugs' second cartoon appearance, so if anything
would qualify as "his song" it might be this one, though it's pretty
obscure. Daffy did an almost identical song which, IIRC, post-dated the
one Bugs did, but preceded the one cited above with the "fly a kite" line
(the time-line here is screwy), and Bugs himself did a sort of reprise in
"Easter Yeggs" when he sings
"Here's the Easter Rabbit, hurray!
The happy Easter Rabbit, hurray!
I am getting looney-tuney tetched in the head
This whole thing is gooney
I shoulda stood in bed"
So this one song has had at least four different varations on the theme.
Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology
Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California
Riverside, CA 92521 909-787-4315 (opinions are mine, not UCR's)
http://insects.ucr.edu/staff/yanega.html
"There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is
the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick
N Jill Marsh
> There were two old pop songs, instrumental versions of which were used
> for the "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" cartoon intros: "The
> Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" by Cliff Friend & David Franklin and "Merrily
> We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor, Murray Mencher & Charles Tobias,
> respectively. The original songs do have lyrics, but they've got nothing
> to do with the cartoons.
And in a similar vein, I was astounded the first time I heard the tune to
Bug's shower song:
Those April showers
now don't dismay.
They bring the flowers
which bloom in May.
So when it's raining
have no regrets.
It isn't raining rain you know
it's raining violets.
embedded within the "Spring" bit of Vivaldi's Four Seasons.
Though I wager that many's first introduction to classical music came
through Warner Brothers' cartoons.
n"kill the waabitt, kill the WAAAAbitt"m
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Dutch Courage
>In article <19991117114219...@ng-cf1.aol.com>,
>drlisa...@aol.com says...
>
>> >>> Overture, curtain, lights!
>> >>> This is it, you'll hit the heights!
>> >>> And oh what heights we'll hit.
>> >>> On with the show, this is it!
>> >>
>> >>Many thanks to Mr. D.S. Barr, who made my weekly staff meeting an
>> >>experience to be savored, what with this jolly tune endlessly running
>> >>through my memory banks...
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone else thinking this is the code word for "Let's get it on" at the
>> >Stafford household?
>>
>> I think you are assuming more people involved than needed. Surely getting
>it on
>> would not require more than Mr. Stafford and his "staff". I mean --- don't
>you
>> get a funny feeling sometimes when Bugs dresses as a girl bunny?
>
>He's probably trying to hide the fact that, at the Hyprdumfuk
I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise, amongst
AFCA assembled
> household,
>the code word for "Let's get it on" is:
>
>"C'mon Rover! Here boy! Oooooh, that's a good doggie. Lie down!!!"
Wow, that was lame.
Now, getting on with the afternoon's programme of taunting Scottie behind his
back, we ask...
"Who's the black private dick that's a sex machine to all the chicks?"
David Samuel Barr
>
> In article <s35ikh...@corp.supernews.com>, hu...@interaccess.com
> wrote:
>
> > The one *I* always think of is the one where Daffy sings along with
> > I want to fly a kite" were lyrics. Anybody have the complete text of
> > that one?
>
> That's a bit of a take-off on the first song Bugs ever *did* sing,
> which went
> -------
> All the world was gay,
> Swinging on its way,
> Things were lookin' brighter day by day
>
> Nothin' ever wrong
> Life was just a song
> Til those Looney Tunes came along
>
> Ohhhhhhh...
>
> I'm goin' cuckoo, woo-woo
> Here comes the choo-choo, woo-woo
> I am getting looney-tuney tetched in the head
> Please pass the ketchup
> I think I'll go to bed
>
> Am I a screwball, woo-woo
> Behind the eight-ball, woo-woo
> Once I knew a thing or two
> But now I'm a [Bufferoo?]
> [indecipherable nonsense line, sort of like "Ching ching ching ching
> Harley"] woo-woo
But now I'm a buckaroo
Hinky-dinky parlay.....vous-woo! [1]
[1} This is a reference to a WW1 song with the same lyric.
> ---------
> As I recall, this was Bugs' second cartoon appearance, so if anything
> would qualify as "his song" it might be this one, though it's pretty
> obscure.
It's from "Hare-um Scare-um" (1939), which was the third appearance of
an unnamed prototype of the character that would later be modified in
appearance & behaviour and named Bugs Bunny. (The first official BB
cartoon is the 1940 "A Wild Hare".)
> Daffy did an almost identical song which, IIRC, post-dated the one
> Bugs did, but preceded the one cited above with the "fly a kite" line
> (the time-line here is screwy),
Actually, Daffy did that song BEFORE the proto-Bugs did, in his debut
outing, "Porky's Duck Hunt" (1937) [though he too was unnamed in this
cartoon, and didn't get his name until his second appearance, "Daffy
Duck and Egghead" (1938)]. (Sorry, I don't have that version of the
lyrics available at the moment.)
The "fly a kite" line comes from Daffy's song in "Boobs in the Woods"
(1950), which is what the original poster seems to be requesting. While
it does have the ketchup line has a different melody and structure from
the previous song in question:
Oh, people call me Daffy
They think that I am goony.
Ah, just because I'm happy is no sign I'm looney tuney.
Oh, when they say I'm nutsy
It sure gives me a pain.
Please pass the ketchup, I think it's going to rain.
Oh, you can't bounce a meatball
Though try with all your might.
Ah, turn on the radio, I want to fly a kite.
> and Bugs himself did a sort of reprise in "Easter Yeggs" when he sings
>
> "Here's the Easter Rabbit, hurray!
> The happy Easter Rabbit, hurray!
> I am getting looney-tuney tetched in the head
> This whole thing is gooney
> I shoulda stood in bed"
That was in 1947.
David Samuel Barr
>
> And in a similar vein, I was astounded the first time I heard the tune
> to Bug's shower song:
>
> Those April showers
> now don't dismay.
Though April showers
May come your way.
> They bring the flowers
> which bloom in May.
>
> So when it's raining
> have no regrets.
> It isn't raining rain you know
> it's raining violets.
>
> embedded within the "Spring" bit of Vivaldi's Four Seasons.
I've heard that concerto literally hundreds of times, including in the
concerts and CDs I've done of it, and I've never heard "April Showers"
(from the 1921 musical, "Bombo"; words by B.G. "Buddy" DeSylva, music by
Louis Silvers) in it.
N Jill Marsh
> I've heard that concerto literally hundreds of times, including in the
> concerts and CDs I've done of it, and I've never heard "April Showers"
> (from the 1921 musical, "Bombo"; words by B.G. "Buddy" DeSylva, music by
> Louis Silvers) in it.
It's quoted, somewhere in the middle, and I think it's only the first
verse. (Sorry, I guess I should say the showtune quotes it.) I didn't notice
until one day I was playing the CD but not really listening to it, then I
realized what phrases I was humming along. (This was to Il Giardino
Armonico's version, the only one worth listening to.:)
njm
Dutch Courage
>On 19 Nov 1999 16:04:12 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise, amongst
>>AFCA assembled
>
>
>You'd lose.
The bitter way you stalk me from thread to thread means I was right all along.
:P
Gary S. Callison
: (1950), which is what the original poster seems to be requesting. While
: it does have the ketchup line has a different melody and structure from
: the previous song in question:
:
: Oh, people call me Daffy
: They think that I am goony.
: Ah, just because I'm happy is no sign I'm looney tuney.
: Oh, when they say I'm nutsy
: It sure gives me a pain.
: Please pass the ketchup, I think it's going to rain.
: Oh, you can't bounce a meatball
: Though try with all your might.
: Ah, turn on the radio, I want to fly a kite.
[Gets up from desk, jumps around office shouting "Woohoo! Woohoo!
Woohoo!", goes back to work]
Yes. I am 'original poster' (of this particular strand of the thread
anyways) and that is what I was requesting.
--
Huey
"Ah say- Ah say son! You must be a one'a those long-haired college boys!"
Gary S. Callison
: On 19 Nov 1999 16:04:12 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
: wrote:
: > I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
: > amongst AFCA assembled
: You'd lose.
Seconded.
--
Huey
Dutch Courage
>Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> wrote:
>: I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
>amongst
>: AFCA assembled
>
>You sure?
Well, if you discount the Ward-heeler vote, sure. When was the last time you
saw me create a thread for the express purpose of not getting it in public,
despite who stops by with the clue-by-four, eh?
Dutch Courage
>On 19 Nov 1999 20:09:18 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>wrote:
>
>>Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>
>>>On 19 Nov 1999 16:04:12 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
>amongst
>>>>AFCA assembled
>>>
>>>
>>>You'd lose.
>>
>> The bitter way you stalk me from thread to thread means I was right all
>along.
>>:P
>>
>
>Hey, dufus... I was posting here long before your sorry ass appeared,
>and will probably be here long after you lose interest and go back to
>cleaning your toilets.
Yes, and? You're stalking me from thread to thread, and even in AFU, and why,
exactly? Did I kick your dog? Oh, I know, sticking a taunt in here and there as
the tables turn my way reminds you of being shoved in lockers, yeah, that's it!
Now, about this Blair Witch Project...
rob...@bestweb.net
> There were two old pop songs, instrumental versions of which were
>used for the "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" cartoon intros:
>"The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" by Cliff Friend & David Franklin
>and "Merrily We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor, Murray Mencher &
>Charles Tobias, respectively. The original songs do have lyrics,
>but they've got nothing to do with the cartoons.
You mean, nothing to do with the cartoons OF THE SAME NAMES. However,
Merry-Go-Round was sung with lyrics in at least one cartoon. - RG
Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered
Dutch Courage
>On 19 Nov 1999 23:53:31 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>wrote:
>
>>Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>
>>>On 19 Nov 1999 20:09:18 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>>>
>>>>>On 19 Nov 1999 16:04:12 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
>>>amongst
>>>>>>AFCA assembled
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You'd lose.
>>>>
>>>> The bitter way you stalk me from thread to thread means I was right all
>>>along.
>>>>:P
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey, dufus... I was posting here long before your sorry ass appeared,
>>>and will probably be here long after you lose interest and go back to
>>>cleaning your toilets.
>>
>> Yes, and? You're stalking me from thread to thread, and even in AFU, and
>why,
>>exactly? Did I kick your dog? Oh, I know, sticking a taunt in here and there
>as
>>the tables turn my way reminds you of being shoved in lockers, yeah, that's
>it!
>>
>
>Stalking how? You can't exactly stalk a drunk who is wandering all
>over town puking on himself and everyone he comes in contact with.
Eek.
> I
>read nearly all the threads in this newsgroup, as well as several
>others. The fact that you might have inflicted yourself on some or
>all of those threads in no way prevents me from adding my own
>comments.
Ummmm...I do recall you conbtributing to a thread in AFU, something about
dopplegangers I think it was, for the sole purpose of mentioning me. I would
only remind you that flowers and candy are more traditional, and of course
liquor's quicker.
>
>If you could prove that I was commenting ONLY on your posts, ONLY in
>these two newsgroups, you MIGHT have a case... but you can't, and you
>don't - but that's nothing new.
Your scorn, which I apparently share with such other puking drunks as James
Randi, is a badge of honor. By the by, after the spanking you got over
"citizen's arrest" or the Vega, I'd not be so sniffish, but really rather
gracious, when met with people who know more than I do, see?
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
wrote:
>
>Though I wager that many's first introduction to classical music came
>through Warner Brothers' cartoons.
>
>n"kill the waabitt, kill the WAAAAbitt"m
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The rabbit shaves your crop
Daaaaintily...Daaaaintily...
If anybody has a wav or MP3 or smoke-signals of the "Rabbit of
Seville' bit, PLEASE, I beg, send it to me...
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Rich Clancey
+ On 19 Nov 1999 20:09:18 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
+ wrote:
+ >Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
+ >
+ >>On 19 Nov 1999 16:04:12 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
+ >>wrote:
+ >>
+ >>>
+ >>> I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise, amongst
+ >>>AFCA assembled
+ >>
+ >>
+ >>You'd lose.
+ >
+ > The bitter way you stalk me from thread to thread means I was right all along.
+ >:P
+ >
+ Hey, dufus... I was posting here long before your sorry ass appeared,
+ and will probably be here long after you lose interest and go back to
+ cleaning your toilets.
Please take this to e-mail, both of you. Nobody else is
interested.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> On 19 Nov 1999 16:04:12 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>> I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise, amongst
> You'd lose.
I second that one.
John
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Dutch Courage
Date: Sun, 21 November 1999 08:57 writes:
>Bob Ward <rcw...@gte.net> wrote:
>> On 19 Nov 1999 16:04:12 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>> wrote:
>>> I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
>amongst
>>>AFCA assembled
>
>> You'd lose.
>I second that one.
Yes, John, but you're stupid. Remember the spanking you took over prohibition?
JoAnne Schmitz calling you names? I do...
"Author: JoAnne Schmitz <jsch...@qis.net>
Date: 1999/09/11
Forum: alt.fan.cecil-adams
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On 10 Sep 1999 18:56:11 GMT, "John Freiler" <gei.en...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> wrote in article
><19990910144843...@ng-fl1.aol.com>...
><big assed snip>
[Freiler:]
>> >What am I thinking?
>>
>> We informed, smart people, we have a certain telepathy.
>
>Nope. Glad to see that you haven't developed super poers or any special
>infallibility.
He has a certain telepathy with those who are informed and smart. I see no
contradiction in his not divining your thoughts.
-JoAnne"
Really, one Schmitz vote cancels out a Ward vote, and a Huey vote, and a Raven
vote.
Bye now.
>John
>Mail a certifeid Check for $20 to John Freiler, 329 Gulltop Ave., New
>Brunswick NJ 08762-2223
Looks like you owe me money, of course.
ObCecil: What appeal does a newsgroup dedicated to stamping out ignorance hold
for Stafford, Ward, Callison, and Freiler?
Pentalarc #1 @503
BY: Sam Carmean <sa...@primenet.com>
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|>: Overture, curtain, lights!
|>: This is it, you'll hit the heights!
|>And now for your amusement, what I thought these two lines were when I
|>was about six years old:
|>"Oh, picture! Turn the lights!
|> This is it, your hipper heights!"
|>No, I didn't care one bit whether it made sense.
-------------END QUOTE----------------
Here's what I thought it was when I was a kid:
Oh the chills! Hit the lights!
This is it, tonight's the night
No more rehearsing you're nursing the parts
We know every part by heart.
Oh the chills! Hit the lights!
This it it you'll hit the hights
ANd oh what hights we'll hit
On with the show, this is it.
I guess I was fairly accurate.
Pentalarc
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Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509
D. P. Roberts
Until recent years, I thought the lines were:
"Stuck In The Middle With You"
- Well I don't want candy tonight
(Well I don't know why I came here tonight)
"We're An American Band"
- All of the boys
(On the road for forty days)
David Samuel Barr
> > the concerts and CDs I've done of it, and I've never heard "April
> > Showers" (from the 1921 musical, "Bombo"; words by B.G. "Buddy"
> > DeSylva, music by Louis Silvers) in it.
>
> It's quoted, somewhere in the middle, and I think it's only the first
> verse. (Sorry, I guess I should say the showtune quotes it.) I didn't
> notice until one day I was playing the CD but not really listening to
> it, then I realized what phrases I was humming along. (This was to Il
> Giardino Armonico's version, the only one worth listening to.:)
If you believe that IGA's version (one of the mostly widely reviled in
history) is worth listening to, no wonder you're hearing nonexistent pop
tune phrases in the concerto. Go listen to the Paul Peabody version,
unquestionably one of the best available.
David Samuel Barr
>
> On 19 Nov 1999 15:15:55 GMT, njm...@chat.carleton.ca (N Jill Marsh)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Though I wager that many's first introduction to classical music came
> >through Warner Brothers' cartoons.
> >
> >n"kill the waabitt, kill the WAAAAbitt"m
>
> The rabbit cuts your mop
> The rabbit shaves your crop
> Daaaaintily...Daaaaintily...
Actually:
Welcome to my shop,
Let me cut your mop,
Let me shave your crop.
David Samuel Barr
> >used for the "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" cartoon intros:
> >"The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" by Cliff Friend & David Franklin
> >and "Merrily We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor, Murray Mencher &
> >Charles Tobias, respectively. The original songs do have lyrics,
> >but they've got nothing to do with the cartoons.
>
> You mean, nothing to do with the cartoons OF THE SAME NAMES. However,
> Merry-Go-Round was sung with lyrics in at least one cartoon.
No, I mean nothing to do with the cartoons, period. There were never
any cartoons that bore the names of those songs, and the original lyrics
were never used in any cartoon. Daffy Duck did sing a song to the tune
of "The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" in "Daffy Duck and Egghead" (1938),
but with new lyrics by Ben Hardaway that had no resemblance to
Franklin's original ones other than the use of the title therein.
(You can compare Hardaway's [shown under the cartoon's title] at
http://www.foto.infi.net/~tuco/looney/lyrics.html with Franklin's at
http://www.dnai.com/~swazoo/trivans5.html )
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
<grins> I know, but someone in rec.games.roguelike.nethack uses:
The rabbit cuts your mop --More--
The rabbit shaves your crop --More--
as a tagline, and I had that stuck in my head...Any wavs of the REAL
one?
David Samuel Barr
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:31:45 -0500, David Samuel Barr
> <dsb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >StarChaser wrote:
> >>
> >> On 19 Nov 1999 15:15:55 GMT, njm...@chat.carleton.ca (N Jill
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Though I wager that many's first introduction to classical music
> >> >came through Warner Brothers' cartoons.
> >> >
> >> >n"kill the waabitt, kill the WAAAAbitt"m
> >>
> >> The rabbit cuts your mop
> >> The rabbit shaves your crop
> >> Daaaaintily...Daaaaintily...
> >
> >Actually:
> >
> >Welcome to my shop,
> >Let me cut your mop,
> >Let me shave your crop.
>
> <grins> I know, but someone in rec.games.roguelike.nethack uses:
> The rabbit cuts your mop --More--
> The rabbit shaves your crop --More--
>
> as a tagline, and I had that stuck in my head...Any wavs of the REAL
> one?
There are numerous sites that have Looney Tunes .wavs, and I'm sure
some of them have at least excerpts of "The Rabbit of Seville" if not
the entire cartoon. Any search engine should be able to direct you to
them.
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
Been there and tried that. Not one, in 10 boring hours of searching at
work.
David Samuel Barr
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:40:30 -0500, David Samuel Barr
> <dsb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >There are numerous sites that have Looney Tunes .wavs, and I'm sure
> >some of them have at least excerpts of "The Rabbit of Seville" if not
> >the entire cartoon. Any search engine should be able to direct you
> >to them.
>
> Been there and tried that. Not one, in 10 boring hours of searching at
> work.
A two-minute search found it at
http://nonstick.com/sounds/Bugs_Bunny/ltbb_117.wav
http://www.swiftsite.com/DanG/looney/seville.wav
http://www.frogstar.com/wav/files/ltbb_117.wav
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
<dsb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Have I mentioned that I'm not very good at net searches? Well, I'm not
very good at net searches. I tried, I really did...
Dave
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:04:34 -0500, David Samuel Barr
> <dsb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >StarChaser wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:40:30 -0500, David Samuel Barr
> >> <dsb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >There are numerous sites that have Looney Tunes .wavs, and I'm sure
> >> >some of them have at least excerpts of "The Rabbit of Seville" if not
> >> >the entire cartoon. Any search engine should be able to direct you
> >> >to them.
> >>
> >> Been there and tried that. Not one, in 10 boring hours of searching at
> >> work.
> >
> >A two-minute search found it at
> >http://nonstick.com/sounds/Bugs_Bunny/ltbb_117.wav
> >http://www.swiftsite.com/DanG/looney/seville.wav
> >http://www.frogstar.com/wav/files/ltbb_117.wav
>
> Have I mentioned that I'm not very good at net searches? Well, I'm not
> very good at net searches. I tried, I really did...
Maybe you're using the wrong search engine.
Me, I like good old AltaVista.
Dogpile.com is also pretty effective.
What are you using?
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StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
>StarChaser wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:04:34 -0500, David Samuel Barr
>> <dsb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> >Any search engine should be able to direct you
>> >> >to them.
>> >> Been there and tried that. Not one, in 10 boring hours of searching at
>> >> work.
>> >A two-minute search found it at
<3 different URLs>
>> Have I mentioned that I'm not very good at net searches? Well, I'm not
>> very good at net searches. I tried, I really did...
>Maybe you're using the wrong search engine.
>Me, I like good old AltaVista.
>Dogpile.com is also pretty effective.
>What are you using?
Erm...<mumbleAltaVistamumble...>
Dave
>
>
> >> Have I mentioned that I'm not very good at net searches? Well, I'm not
> >> very good at net searches. I tried, I really did...
>
> >Maybe you're using the wrong search engine.
>
> >Me, I like good old AltaVista.
>
> >Dogpile.com is also pretty effective.
>
> >What are you using?
>
> Erm...<mumbleAltaVistamumble...>
> --
>
Alright. Then the problem is not with the engine, perhaps it's the
search terms?
See if this helps.
http://doc.altavista.com/help/search/search_help.shtml
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
>StarChaser wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> Have I mentioned that I'm not very good at net searches? Well, I'm not
>> >> very good at net searches. I tried, I really did...
>>
>> >Maybe you're using the wrong search engine.
>>
>> >Me, I like good old AltaVista.
>>
>> >Dogpile.com is also pretty effective.
>>
>> >What are you using?
>>
>> Erm...<mumbleAltaVistamumble...>
>> --
>>
>
>Alright. Then the problem is not with the engine, perhaps it's the
>search terms?
>
>See if this helps.
>http://doc.altavista.com/help/search/search_help.shtml
<grin> Sheesh, lemme be a doofus in peace, willya? I put in something
like 'Seville rabbit' because I couldn't remember the real name...
Dave
>
>
> <grin> Sheesh, lemme be a doofus in peace, willya? I put in something
> like 'Seville rabbit' because I couldn't remember the real name...
>
Sorry.
Didn't mean to be insensitive, it's just that I know too well the
frustration of not finding what you're looking for. I won't say another
word about it.
D. P. Roberts
> very good at net searches. I tried, I really did...
Get thee hither to www.zdnet.com and look for Web Ferret. Though you
can use a free version (with ads) I was so impressed that I actually
registered it after using it once. If you do that, they send you the
registered versions of News Ferret, File Ferret, E-mail Ferret and a
couple of others. You can type in "the subject of your search" and it
will do the work for you on bazillions of search engines.
Mike Pollock
news:38325B...@mindspring.com...
> There were two old pop songs, instrumental versions of which were used
> for the "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" cartoon intros: "The
> Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" by Cliff Friend & David Franklin and "Merrily
> We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor, Murray Mencher & Charles Tobias,
> respectively. The original songs do have lyrics, but they've got nothing
> to do with the cartoons.
Here are those lyrics...
First, as found at http://msmoo.simplenet.com/carousel/ and verified and
supplemented from Warner Bros. Publications' The Great Looney Tunes
Collection
http://www.sheet-music.com/cgi-bin/moreinfo.idc?SMSUSNM=1061966&VAL=10055&IT
EM=WBVF1616
-----------
Merry-Go-Round Broke Down"
http://msmoo.simplenet.com/carousel/loonmerr.mid
http://msmoo.simplenet.com/carousel/ltmu_036.wav
"The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down" is often mistaken for the main "Looney
Toons" theme. (The MIDI file link above is to a version that combines the
two). It is one of the themes used in Warner Brothers cartoons, however it's
main claim to fame is probably in the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit". It
was written by Cliff Friend and Dave Franklyn for the Guy Lombardo Orchestra
and was a top hit in the late 1930s.
Here are the original lyrics:
[Never heard Intro:
[Ask me why I'm happy singing like a lark,
[And I'll tell you of an old amusement park,
[A "Merry-go-round" was there, I gladly paid the fare,
[My baby rode around with me then suddenly]
Oh The merry-go-round broke down,
As we went 'round and 'round
Each time 'twould miss, We'd steal a kiss
And the merry-go-round went...
(Calliope riff or vocal UM-PAH-PAH here)
um-pah pah, um-pah-pah, um-pah, um-pah, um-pah-pah
The merry-go-round broke down
And made the darndest sound
The lights went low
We both said "oh"
And the merry-go-round went...
(Calliope riff or vocal UM-PAH-PAH here)
um-pah pah, um-pah-pah, um-pah, um-pah, um-pah-pah
Oh, what fun, a wonderful time
Finding love for only a dime
(CALLIOPE RIFF or UM-PAH-PAH HERE?)
The merry-go-round broke down
But you don't see me frown
Things turned out fine
And now she's mine
'Cause the merry-go-round went...
(Calliope riff or vocal UM-PAH-PAH here)
The merry-go-round broke down.
Š 1937 Warner Bros. Inc.
----------
Also as found in Warner Bros. Publications' The Great Looney Tunes
Collection
http://www.sheet-music.com/cgi-bin/moreinfo.idc?SMSUSNM=1061966&VAL=10055&IT
EM=WBVF1616
"Merrily We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor, Charlie Tobias and Murray Mencher
[Never heard intro:
[Too many frowns can change the brightest disposition
[As sure as clouds can darken the dawn.
[Get ev'ry joy in life has been our ambition,
[And that's how we intend to go on.]
Merrily we roll along, My honey and me,
Verily there's no one half as happy as we.
Thought we're twice as poor as mice, Say what do we care?
For we've been so wealthy in the love that we share.
Merrily we roll along while facing the sun,
Verily our slogan is "Say don't we have fun?"
We live in style with a smile and a song
As we merrily roll along.
Merrily we roll along, My honey and me,
Why we get along is very easy to see.
She and I won't buy unless We pay for in cash.
And we still enjoy the thrill of corn-beef and hash,
Though we're bound to quarrel for it's human I'm sure.
Still we found there's nothing that a kiss cannot cure.
We're for each other, how can we go wrong
As we merrily roll along?
Š 1935 Warner Bros. Inc.
Bear
>
> >I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
>
> Am I on a different wavelength when it comes to Bugs? When I saw the subject
> line, I immediately thought...
>
> What's up doc?
> What's cookin'?
> What's up doc?
These are songs?
--
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StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
wrote:
Will take a look...<sheepish grin>
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
>StarChaser wrote:
>>
>>
>> <grin> Sheesh, lemme be a doofus in peace, willya? I put in something
>> like 'Seville rabbit' because I couldn't remember the real name...
>>
>
>Sorry.
>
>Didn't mean to be insensitive, it's just that I know too well the
>frustration of not finding what you're looking for. I won't say another
>word about it.
<grins> Negative perspiration...I WAS frustrated, or I wouldn't have
asked...
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
>motion added to reduce spam wrote:
>>
>> >I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
>>
>> Am I on a different wavelength when it comes to Bugs? When I saw the subject
>> line, I immediately thought...
>>
>> What's up doc?
>> What's cookin'?
>> What's up doc?
>
>These are songs?
It's -A- song, the one that Bugs sings at Elmer on their first TV
show...
motion added to reduce spam
Am I on a different wavelength when it comes to Bugs? When I saw the subject
line, I immediately thought...
What's up doc?
What's cookin'?
What's up doc?
Little baby bunting
Father's gone a hunting (etc.)
It's incomplete and I'm sure there is a mistake or two in the above, but wasn't
this Bugs Bunny's theme? I realize that there were several themes involved in
the various incarnations, but this thread went 50 posts without mentioning the
above.
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>
>
> Am I on a different wavelength when it comes to Bugs? When I saw the
> subject line, I immediately thought...
>
> What's up doc?
> What's cookin'?
> What's up doc?
> Little baby bunting
> Father's gone a hunting (etc.)
>
> It's incomplete and I'm sure there is a mistake or two in the above,
> but wasn't this Bugs Bunny's theme? I realize that there were several
> themes involved in the various incarnations, but this thread went 50
> posts without mentioning the above.
It wasn't his "theme", it was simply a short vocal section in the 1950
cartoon, "What's Up Doc". The music was written by Carl W. Stalling,
reportedly prior to November 1944; the lyrics aren't credited, they
could be by Stalling, but more likely are by Warren Foster.
David Samuel Barr
>
> >>I can't find them through Yahoo; Anybody here know them offhand?
>
> two Warner Brothers cartoon songs. A few of the lyrics I can recall
> follow:
>
> Side 1)
> When you're in a situation where you need some information
> And you aren't sure exactly what to say
> Just be like that funny
> fellow called Bugs Bunny
> And say "Ehhh, what's up, doc?"
>
> Flipside)
> I'm a cat, my name's Sylvester,
> And I really love to pester
> Naughty birds like Tweety Pie
> When they get in my way
> Though I'd love to scratch him
> I can never catch him
These were original songs written for these recordings, not used in
actual cartoons.
motion added to reduce spam
>> What's cookin'?
>> What's up doc?
>
--Bear
No they're lyrics. As someone else mentioned, Bugs sang them to Elmer, but the
instrumental was used during the opening title sequence of many of Bugs'
features.
D. P. Roberts
> two Warner Brothers cartoon songs. A few of the lyrics I can recall
> follow:
My mom may still have my 45 rpm of "Woody Woodpecker" singing the WW
song and something about a Lad from Trinidad (Walter Lantz and wife).
Anton Sherwood
: : Overture, curtain, lights!
: : This is it, you'll hit the heights!
Sam Carmean <sa...@primenet.com> writes
: And now for your amusement, what I thought these two lines were
: when I was about six years old:
: "Oh, picture! Turn the lights!
: This is it, your hipper heights!"
: No, I didn't care one bit whether it made sense.
And I always heard it as "Oh, Monsieur, curb the lights"
--
Anton Sherwood *\\* +1 415 267 0685 *\\* http://www.jps.net/antons/
Anton Sherwood
: + Many thanks to Mr. D.S. Barr, who made my weekly staff meeting an
: + experience to be savored, what with this jolly tune endlessly running
: + through my memory banks...
Rich Clancey <r...@world.std.com> writes
: Well, I knew if I stayed up and read posts for another twenty
: minutes I could get "We'll Sing in the Sunshine" out of my head.
: Sufferin Succotash, this newsgroup is going to drive me insane...
Heh. I just put on "Rutles Highway Revisited" (yes,
a tribute album) in an attempt to banish Barry Sadler.
Anton Sherwood
: until one day I was playing the CD but not really listening to it,
: then I realized what phrases I was humming along. (This was to Il
: Giardino Armonico's version, the only one worth listening to.:)
My personal favorite (for the moment) is that of the New Koto Ensemble.
Anton Sherwood
: I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
: amongst AFCA assembled [than Scott K. Stafford]
Let's not step on anyone in the stampede to cover that bet.
On cold reflection, I'd judge that Hmptdumpt has substantial mental
horsepower, as it were, but the tranny is another story.
Anton Sherwood
: Ummmm...I do recall you [Bob Ward] conbtributing to a thread in AFU,
: something about dopplegangers I think it was, for the sole purpose of
: mentioning me. I would only remind you that flowers and candy are more
: traditional, and of course liquor's quicker.
But redundant.
Anton Sherwood
: And in a similar vein, I was astounded the first time I heard
: the tune to Bug's shower song: [...]
: embedded within the "Spring" bit of Vivaldi's Four Seasons.
Have you heard "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen"
in "In a Gadda da Vida"?
Anton Sherwood
: Maybe you're using the wrong search engine.
: Me, I like good old AltaVista.
: Dogpile.com is also pretty effective.
I hadn't heard of that one. Haven't used Altavista
lately; Google generally satisfies my cravings.
Dutch Courage
>Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> writes
>: I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
>: amongst AFCA assembled [than Scott K. Stafford]
>
>Let's not step on anyone in the stampede to cover that bet.
Well, keep in mind not anyone taunted by JoAnne Schmitz is ineligible to vote.
>
>On cold reflection, I'd judge that Hmptdumpt
You know, Vixen, I hardly ever make fun of your SN.
>has substantial mental
>horsepower, as it were, but the tranny is another story.
Explain again how anonymous fiduciary money is going to work.
>--
>Anton Sherwood *\\* +1 415 267 0685 *\\* http://www.jps.net/antons/
>
>
>
>
>
>
"I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn
human actions, but to understand them" -Spinoza
"The ridiculing and scorn, that's just gravy."-Courage
Anton Sherwood
: Mail a certifeid Check for $20 to John Freiler, 329 Gulltop Ave., New
: Brunswick NJ 08762-2223
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Gary S. Callison
: Sam Carmean <sa...@primenet.com> writes
: : David Samuel Barr <dsb...@mindspring.com> writes:
: : : Overture, curtain, lights!
: : : This is it, you'll hit the heights!
: : when I was about six years old:
: : "Oh, picture! Turn the lights!
: : This is it, your hipper heights!"
I think I heard "oh, for sure, turn the lights" before I knew what an
'overture' was, and I _still_ don't hear 'curtain'.
--
Huey
Dutch Courage
>I would agree that he has plenty of power of the horse, but I would
>place it at the other end of the animal.
Yeah, Ward, but you're part of the problem, see?
Now go write a paper on what a death trap the Vega was.
RM Mentock
> >: I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
> >: amongst AFCA assembled [than Scott K. Stafford]
How about a survey?
--
RM Mentock
OFT!
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Dutch Courage
>> >Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> writes
>> >: I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
>> >: amongst AFCA assembled [than Scott K. Stafford]
>
>How about a survey?
Okay, I'll be in charge of statisical weighting.
Bear
RM Mentock wrote:
>
> > >Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> writes
> > >: I'd bet, oh, Twenny dollars, I am esteemed more highly, smart-wise,
> > >: amongst AFCA assembled [than Scott K. Stafford]
>
> How about a survey?
Greenwich Mean Time. ;)
Perry Farmer
-> wrote:
-> > Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
-> >
-> >>I would agree that he has plenty of power of the horse, but I would
-> >>place it at the other end of the animal.
-> >
-> > Yeah, Ward, but you're part of the problem, see?
-> >
-> > Now go write a paper on what a death trap the Vega was.
-> Only problem with that is that no one has provided any evidence that
-> the Vega WAS a death trap - just that it suffered from reliability
-> problems related to manufacture. Now, you want to talk death-trap, we
-> could discuss the Ford Pinto, later renamed the Hindenburg.
The main difference probably being leaf springs.
Perry
Dutch Courage
>On 01 Dec 1999 18:39:46 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>wrote:
>
>> Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>
>>>I would agree that he has plenty of power of the horse, but I would
>>>place it at the other end of the animal.
>>
>> Yeah, Ward, but you're part of the problem, see?
>>
>> Now go write a paper on what a death trap the Vega was.
>
>Only problem with that is that no one has provided any evidence that
>the Vega WAS a death trap - just that it suffered from reliability
>problems related to manufacture.
You know, and the wheels tended to come off and the engine burst into flames.
> Now, you want to talk death-trap,
We better kick you out and get at least one more person who knows what they're
talking about.
Gary S. Callison
: On 01 Dec 1999 18:39:46 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
: wrote:
: > Now go write a paper on what a death trap the Vega was.
: Only problem with that is that no one has provided any evidence that
: the Vega WAS a death trap - just that it suffered from reliability
: could discuss the Ford Pinto, later renamed the Hindenburg.
Doofus obviously missed the retraction of the word 'Vega' by the original
poster. He meant 'Corvair', you moron.
--
Huey
Dutch Courage
>Doofus obviously missed the retraction of the word 'Vega' by the original
>poster. He meant 'Corvair', you moron.
>
No, he meant Vega, and I generally believe Macca when it's time to whip your
facts out.
Dennis Matheson
I always thought it was "Overture, light the lights..."
--
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Gary S. Callison
: On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 05:43:30 GMT, hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S.
: Callison) wrote:
: >Bob Ward (rcw...@gte.net) wrote:
: >: On 01 Dec 1999 18:39:46 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
: >: wrote:
: >: > Now go write a paper on what a death trap the Vega was.
: >: Only problem with that is that no one has provided any evidence that
: >: the Vega WAS a death trap - just that it suffered from reliability
: >: problems related to manufacture. Now, you want to talk death-trap, we
: >: could discuss the Ford Pinto, later renamed the Hindenburg.
: >poster. He meant 'Corvair', you moron.
: his suck-up checks, or is it all under the table?
Apologies. Phrased poorly. Doofus is the moron.
--
Huey
Dutch Courage
>: >Doofus obviously missed the retraction of the word 'Vega' by the original
>: >poster. He meant 'Corvair', you moron.
>: You call ME a morion because Dufus screwed up? Does he pay FICA in
>: his suck-up checks, or is it all under the table?
>
>Apologies. Phrased poorly. Doofus is the moron.
That's funny. You two clowns can't refute your way out of a paper bag; Ward
finds cites that actually support the contra position, and I'm the moron?
Weak, guys, is what it is. I accept your succession. Feel free to swap spit in
the shower with Stafford while you call me whatever names the two brain cells
the three of you bring to the table, but I must be the greatest.
Dutch "They all fall in the round I call" Courage, smarter than Bokeno, too.
Dutch Courage
>On 03 Dec 1999 04:47:52 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>wrote:
>
>>hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) writes:
>>
>>>: >Doofus obviously missed the retraction of the word 'Vega' by the
>original
>>>: >poster. He meant 'Corvair', you moron.
>>>: You call ME a morion because Dufus screwed up? Does he pay FICA in
>>>: his suck-up checks, or is it all under the table?
>>>
>>>Apologies. Phrased poorly. Doofus is the moron.
>>
>> That's funny. You two clowns can't refute your way out of a paper bag; Ward
>>finds cites that actually support the contra position, and I'm the moron?
>>
>> Weak, guys, is what it is. I accept your succession. Feel free to swap spit
>in
>>the shower with Stafford while you call me whatever names the two brain
>cells
>>the three of you bring to the table, but I must be the greatest.
>
>So you are a proponent of the Perry method of debate?
Perry is far from the dumbest guy here.
> If you can't
>find a cite for your position, you redefine the position?
Dutch don't do leg work; sorry guys, native sloth. Turns out I'm usually right
anyway, so you may oppose me at your peril.
>
>You never back up anything you say, janitor-boy.
And yet, that time, you found the cite, huh, chump? Yepper. Vega=death trap. I
think it has something to do with the wheels coming off.
>
>To answer your question, yes, you are the moron.
So what are you, kiddo? Some sort of sub-moron? Seems like it.
Dutch "We're all bozos on this bus" Courage
Perry Farmer
-> Nader's mid '60s book. Most of this book is not about the Corvair, but
-> the Corvair received most of the attention. The majority of the
-> controversy was about the rear suspension of the 1960-63 Corvairs. It
-> was claimed that they would "tuck in" causing the car to go out of
-> control & flip!! There was a film produced to show the Corvair going
-> out of control-but it has been contended that "tricks" were used to
-> get the Corvair to finally lose control. GM hired race drivers and
-> other experts to prove that the Corvair was safe and the general
-> conclusion was that it was as safe (if not safer) than most cars of
-> the time. The final report by the National Highway Safety
-> Administration was not given until 1972. The Corvair "won" - but it
-> was too late and received little space in the news of the day.
There was one thing the Corvair would do that I believe is very
dangerous as I actually saw it happen right after I got out of it.
I took one out for a test drive as I was thinking of purchasing it from
the cashier at the car wash I was working at around 1970. I think it was
about a 65-66 model.
Any way right after she jumped in it went for about 100 feet and came to
a screeching halt.
The tail end of the engine is held up with a single castle type of nut.
It appeared that the cotter key was gone and the nut fell off right in
front of us. When it did it ripped the ignition wires loose which wasn't
a big deal. What was a big deal is that it completely locked up the
rear end. Easy to fix, we just jacked it up, put the nut on with a
cotter key and hooked a couple of wires up.
However if she was on the freeway, which she would have been just a few
minutes later, it would have been pretty nasty to have it happen in 70
mph traffic.
A friend of mine bought a lot of these, fixed them up a little then sold
them. He stated one of the biggest problems was the oil leaks around the
sensing line. He had an easy fix for it and that problem simply went
away. Not really a bad car, however you really didn't want to be in it
in a front end collision. Handled very well once you got used to it,
very quick with the Monza GT package.
Perry
Perry Farmer
-> >So you are a proponent of the Perry method of debate?
-> Perry is far from the dumbest guy here.
Does this mean we debate from a position of reason, therefore we are in
a position to be reasoned with?
-> > If you can't
-> >find a cite for your position, you redefine the position?
-> Dutch don't do leg work; sorry guys, native sloth. Turns out I'm I'm
-> usually right anyway, so you may oppose me at your peril.
I think this is my biggest bitch about these kids. Most seem not to do
even the smallest amount of research into any topic.
Perry
p.s. Hopefully the reference line problem will be taken care of after
the first of the year when the new version of the software is
released that will support it within the database.
Perry Farmer
-> >It appeared that the cotter key was gone and the nut fell off right in
-> >front of us. When it did it ripped the ignition wires loose which wa
-> >a big deal. What was a big deal is that it completely locked up the
-> >rear end. Easy to fix, we just jacked it up, put the nut on with a
-> >cotter key and hooked a couple of wires up.
-> >
-> >However if she was on the freeway, which she would have been just a few
-> >minutes later, it would have been pretty nasty to have it happen in 70
-> >mph traffic.
-> >
-> >A friend of mine bought a lot of these, fixed them up a little then
-> >them. He stated one of the biggest problems was the oil leaks around
-> >sensing line. He had an easy fix for it and that problem simply went
-> >away. Not really a bad car, however you really didn't want to be in it
-> >in a front end collision. Handled very well once you got used to it,
-> >very quick with the Monza GT package.
-> >
-> >Perry
-> >
-> When it comes right down to it, I can't think of a single car that I'd
-> like to be in in a front end collision. For some reason, my instinct
-> is to avoid such activities if at all possible. On the other hand,
-> the Corvair would have a nice crumple zone, with zero chance of having
-> one's own engine block end up in the front seat in a front end
-> collision.
-> By the way, Dufus... looks like you're finally right about
-> something... Perry IS far from the stupidest person in this group - he
-> agreed with me.
While I certainly agree with not being in a front end collision, I was
in one in a 63 Fairlane and did pretty good, especially when considering
the other car was a 61 Plymouth wagon.
While there would be zero chance of the engine coming into the cab area,
there is also non-of the absorbing forces associated with the
engine-drive shaft-rear end combination of a front engine/rear drive
vehicle.
I don't know right off the crumple characteristics of a Corvair (don't
really want to find out by testing), I doubt it was like some of the
later cars in being designed to fold up in a control fashion.
Of course this applies to front engine cars of the day as well for the
most part, unlike lets say a VW Scirocco which is designed to have its
engine submarine under the car.
Tonight I saw something interesting on the freeway on the way home, not
sure how it occurred, however I got to thinking about the newer designs
with the nice rounded nose.
There was a pickup (small one) with a Sable wagon under it with raising
the pickups rear wheels off the ground. The reason it stayed there was
because it in turn had what looked like a Taurus 4 door wedged under its
rear end raising its wheels up. In the case of the Taurus the Sable was
right at the windshield, so I think he lucked out.
Seeing this combination makes me wonder exactly how this could have
happened with all the griping going on about SUVs with higher bumpers
forcing the same sort of accident. Even the small truck in this case had
what would have been a lower bumper if the rear wheels were on the
ground.
Perry
Dutch Courage
>On 02 Dec 1999 02:34:42 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>wrote:
>
>>Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>
>>>On 01 Dec 1999 18:39:46 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Ward rcw...@gte.net writes:
>>>>
>>>>>I would agree that he has plenty of power of the horse, but I would
>>>>>place it at the other end of the animal.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Ward, but you're part of the problem, see?
>>>>
>>>> Now go write a paper on what a death trap the Vega was.
>>>
>>>Only problem with that is that no one has provided any evidence that
>>>the Vega WAS a death trap - just that it suffered from reliability
>>>problems related to manufacture.
>>
>> You know, and the wheels tended to come off and the engine burst into
>flames.
>>
>>> Now, you want to talk death-trap,
>>
>> We better kick you out and get at least one more person who knows what
>they're
>>talking about.
>>
>>
>
>Show us the FACTS, Dufus.
Well, let's see. By your own admission, it rusted at the dealers, the wheels
came off, and the carb sprayed gas all over the engine. What do you think that
adds up to?
> DEATHTRAP means that it KILLS PEOPLE. Got
>it?
Sure thing, kiddo.
> Now show us the facts that indicate that the Vega killed people
>in anywhere near the numbers that other, KNOWN deathtraps like the
>Pinto did.
Actually, apparently the Pinto was only about as bad as you'd expect a
smallish American car of that era to be; the bursting into flames biz has been
generally regarded as overstated. The Vega, on the other hand, was really
something awful, at least in its first couple years of manufacture.
But I know you never cite anything, Ward, so of course you're just going to
call me names for knowing something you don't. Whatever.
Dutch Courage
>-> >
>-> >So you are a proponent of the Perry method of debate?
>
>-> Perry is far from the dumbest guy here.
>
>Does this mean we debate from a position of reason, therefore we are in
>a position to be reasoned with?
Mmm...I guess, yeah. Nice to see you're not truncating your clips, although it
wasn't really a problem. I do notice, though, that Ward is mainly just a
hysterical knee biter, and you have to wonder at the pathology behind that.
>
>-> > If you can't
>-> >find a cite for your position, you redefine the position?
>
>-> Dutch don't do leg work; sorry guys, native sloth. Turns out I'm I'm
>-> usually right anyway, so you may oppose me at your peril.
>
>I think this is my biggest bitch about these kids. Most seem not to do
>even the smallest amount of research into any topic.
Ward sure doesn't; for example look at this:
In article <YtorOPfvQjamCZ...@4ax.com>, Bob Ward <rcw...@gte.net>
writes:>Can you provide any statistics proving your assertions regarding the
>Vega? I've never seen or heard anything of the sort.>
>In fact, Motor Trend named the 1971 Vega "Car of the Year"
>http://www.azstarnet.com/auto100/caryear.htm>
>Another website opined that it was poor workmanship and a propensity
>to rust that sealed the fate of the Vega...
>http://www.theautochannel.com:8080/news/writers/bhagin/1996/fs9611.html
Why should I provide backing, when I have you to do it for me? Did you
even read this site before citing it? Let's look at a little excerpt:
"Mechanical problems and recalls were other sources of early Vega headaches.
The Holly-Weber carburetor leaked gasoline, the rear axle shafts had been cut
too short and lost wheels, and the undercooled engine tended to burn oil and
blow head gaskets. These problems on top of the early rust-outs."
Now, since you seem a little unclear on what this implies, we'll take this
a step at a time, mmmkay?
"Mechanical problems and recalls were other sources of early Vega headaches."
This says, as I asserted, that Vegas had problems.
"The Holly-Weber carburetor leaked gasoline,"
No doubt you see this as a status symbol, but some timid souls prefer not
to have gasoline drip over their engine.
" the rear axle shafts had been cut too short and lost wheels"
This does not mean that the car, after a long days work, took its wheels
off to get comfy for sleep, and misplaced them in the garage. This meant Vegas
tended to occasionally convert themselves to tricycles, without warning, at
freeway speeds.
"and the undercooled engine tended to burn oil and blow head gaskets."
The discriminating reader may want to view this in conjuction with the
secend sentence quoted above. You have a car which drips gasoline in its
overheated engine block, while spitting flames from blown head gaskets. Not
that there's anything wrong with that.
"These problems on top of the early rust-outs"
Or "as your car flames its way down the highway, missing a rear wheel,
the smoke and flame from your leaky carb can make its way directly into the
passenger compartment through the rusted out body! Only in America!"
Now, notice:
A) Ward knows nothing about the topic.
B) Rather than research it, he asks someone else to look into it
C) When he's finally shamed into looking something up, he won't even admit it
supports the original assertion
There was a similar pattern in the...you know, where Amy was trying to get out
of the traffic ticket? Now, on goon controll threads, or prohibition, I had a
couple assertions I didn't immediately support, but this was a strategy to goad
people into making asses of themselves. I certainly had cites standing by, so I
could deliver the 1-2 combination, I think you did something similar to Wilson
during the OJ thing he eventually gave up on. I dunno, I think it's amusing.
>p.s. Hopefully the reference line problem will be taken care of after
> the first of the year when the new version of the software is
> released that will support it within the database.
Okay, and that will improve the threading? Is that the story there? I dunno.
Anyway, don't let Ward get to you, he's all bluster.
Perry Farmer
-> >in anywhere near the numbers that other, KNOWN deathtraps like the
-> >Pinto did.
-> Actually, apparently the Pinto was only about as bad as you'd expect a
-> smallish American car of that era to be; the bursting into flames biz
-> generally regarded as overstated. The Vega, on the other hand, was
-> really something awful, at least in its first couple years of
-> manufacture.
In the case of the Pinto, if I do remember the "bursting into flames"
reports was that it was a case of the fact the Pinto had leaf springs. A
off center impact would puncture the tank with the shackles.
Perry
Dutch Courage
>On 03 Dec 1999 10:36:25 GMT, hpstr...@aol.commissar (Dutch Courage)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>> Now show us the facts that indicate that the Vega killed people
>>>in anywhere near the numbers that other, KNOWN deathtraps like the
>>>Pinto did.
>>
>> Actually, apparently the Pinto was only about as bad as you'd expect a
>>smallish American car of that era to be; the bursting into flames biz has
>been
>>generally regarded as overstated. The Vega, on the other hand, was really
>>something awful, at least in its first couple years of manufacture.
>>
>> But I know you never cite anything, Ward, so of course you're just going to
>>call me names for knowing something you don't. Whatever.
>
>
>Again you change the subject.
How so? Whoops! No, I didn't. We're still talking about the Vega.
> Again you refuse to provide any ctes.
>So what's new?
I often cite things.
Perry Farmer
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-> On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:51:26 GMT, perry....@thefarm.wa.com (Perry
-> Farmer) wrote:
-> >-> > Now show us the facts that indicate that the Vega killed people
-> >-> >in anywhere near the numbers that other, KNOWN deathtraps like the
-> >-> >Pinto did.
-> >
-> >-> Actually, apparently the Pinto was only about as bad as you'd ex
-> >-> smallish American car of that era to be; the bursting into flames
-> >-> generally regarded as overstated. The Vega, on the other hand, was
-> >-> really something awful, at least in its first couple years of
-> >-> manufacture.
-> >
-> >In the case of the Pinto, if I do remember the "bursting into flames"
-> >reports was that it was a case of the fact the Pinto had leaf spring
-> >off center impact would puncture the tank with the shackles.
-> >
-> >Perry
-> >
-> Perhaps this will refresh your memory... from
-> http://www.uoguelph.ca/~sharoon/a1/a1disate.htm
-> Many studies of reports and documents done by Mother Jones on
-> rear-end collisions involving Pintos reveal that if you ran into that
-> Pinto you were following at over 30 miles per hour, the rear end of
-> the car would buckle like an accordion, right up to the back seat. The
-> tube leading to the gas-tank cap would be ripped away from the tank
-> itself, and gas would immediately begin sloshing onto the road around
-> the car. The buckled gas tank would be jammed up against the
-> differential housing (that big bulge in the middle of your rear
-> axle), which contains four sharp, protruding bolts likely to gash
-> holes in the tank and spill still more gas. Now all you need is a
Ok,
It was pretty close to the way I remember it.
In the url given we have some references however little is mentioned
except one reference to one case.
The one in Mother Jones went so far as to change the names of the
victims, however I found them in this url.
http://junior.apk.net/~ecar/supreme.htm
In the case of the 4 sharp bolts, I believe those are indeed the ones
mentioned in regard to the shackle mounts for the rear leaf springs, the
differential housing itself has some much shorter ones for the two
halves of the shell.
The gas tank I believe is not as wide as the distance between the two
shackle mounts so you are talking about an off center collision to bring
them into contact, it these are indeed the bolts in question.
If not then I think we are looking at two different problems as the one
I remember worked like this.
In a rear in collision the Pintos tank would move forward and possibly
upward due to the way the rear axle configuration was designed in
relationship to body.
Impacts with a larger car would have the larger car ride over the rear
end of the Pinto. The rear end would move downward in relation to the
impact which drives the front of the gas tank upward moving it in between
the body of the car and the rear axle. The shackles now could wrap
forward over top dead center and contact the sides of the fuel tank.
Of course in the Vega you had some other neat problems, one of which was
the fact it tended to stall fairly often due to a low oil pressure
sensor shutting off the electric fuel pump at inappropriate times.
The only real problem I have with this whole thing is the mention of the
so called secret Ford documents that are stated to be in Mother Jone's
posession, lets see them, otherwise they are nothing but a secret.
Perry
Anton Sherwood
: >On cold reflection, I'd judge that Hmptdumpt
Dutch Courage <hpstr...@aol.commissar> writes
: You know, Vixen, I hardly ever make fun of your SN.
My what? Serial number?
: >has substantial mental
: >horsepower, as it were, but the tranny is another story.
: Explain again how anonymous fiduciary money is going to work.
Explain again how it didn't work, for centuries.
("Anonymous" refers to the spender, not the issuer.)
Dutch Courage
>My what? Serial number?
Your ass from a hole in the ground.
>
>: >has substantial mental
>: >horsepower, as it were, but the tranny is another story.
>
>: Explain again how anonymous fiduciary money is going to work.
>
>Explain again how it didn't.
It never existed? When we had onymous fiduciary money, the most common feature
was bank failure and financial panic.
>
>("Anonymous" refers to the spender, not the issuer.)
The issuer will be some shady outfit in Malayisa or someplace. Won't work,
sorry.
Bill Kinkaid
us that:
>When I was an itty-bitty widdle boy, I had a 78 RPM record containing two Warner
>Brothers cartoon songs. A few of the lyrics I can recall follow:
>
>Side 1)
> When you're in a situation where you need some information
> And you aren't sure exactly what to say
> Just be like that funny
> fellow called Bugs Bunny
> And say "Ehhh, what's up, doc?"
>
>Flipside)
> I'm a cat, my name's Sylvester,
> And I really love to pester
> Naughty birds like Tweety Pie
> When they get in my way
> Though I'd love to scratch him
> I can never catch him
>
I also recall a 33-1/3 from my childhood (60s?) of Tweety singing
I'm a sweet little bird in a gilded cage
Tweety's my name, but I don't know my age
I've got a trapeze and a nice little dish
Bird seed and (?) and a nice cuttlefish
There's nothing I need, I wive wike a king
It's wucky for me I wearned how to sing.
Bill in Vancouver
too old to be walking around with no shoes,
and too young to be walking around with no teeth