Apocalypse Now and the slaughtered cow
AlanKngsly
impressed by the special effects). If it was, how did they handle that in the
standard "no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture"
statement? Is there an exemption for animals which are routinely slaughtered
whether a movie is made of it or not?
Alan
Matt Miller
alank...@aol.com says...
Yes, the cow really was killed. As for the statement, it's not
there's a law that you have to have one.
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Bear
AlanKngsly wrote:
>
> Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not, I'm
> impressed by the special effects). If it was, how did they handle that in the
> standard "no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture"
> statement? Is there an exemption for animals which are routinely slaughtered
> whether a movie is made of it or not?
I think I've read that that was "documentary" footage of some real-life
ritual that was cut into the film. If that's right, then it wasn't
actually killed in the making of the movie.
And Pork Lips Now is about 20 years old -- I'm not sure that this was
nearly as large an issue back then. Does the film *have* such a
disclaimer?
And I've named it before when asked about my favorite film, so I say
"Pork Lips" with all due respect.
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Culturally Sensitive Ed
>Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not, I'm
>impressed by the special effects).
The cow walked away from that scene with only some minor scratches.
However, Sheen actually killed Brando.
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re...@address.in.sig (Culturally Sensitive Ed) wrote:
> alank...@aol.com (AlanKngsly) writes:
>
> >Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not,
I'm
> >impressed by the special effects).
>
> The cow walked away from that scene with only some minor
scratches.
> However, Sheen actually killed Brando.
>
> ---
Right. And you really are the Idiot Poster Child of the Year.
Congratulations!
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Bill Baldwin
>Culturally Sensitive Ed wrote:
>>AlanKngsly writes:
>>
>>>Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not,
>>>I'm impressed by the special effects).
>>
>>The cow walked away from that scene with only some minor
>>scratches. However, Sheen actually killed Brando.
>
>Congratulations!
Uh oh. Looks like somebody left his sense of humor in his other brain.
kay w
>>>>Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not,
>>>>I'm impressed by the special effects).
It was a good special effect but, since that part of the movie was filmed in
the Philippines, it would not be impossible that they really did kill the
caribou (yeah, I know about the giant reindeer caribou...but that's what we
called those "cows" in the PI. I was gonna state it was pronounced a little
differently, but now I've tried so many alternate pronunciations, they all
sound wrong...)
I was stationed at Clark AB outside Angeles City when A.Now was filmed, and the
base commander decreed that none of the airmen should have anything to do with
the movie. As I recall, the navy guys down at Subic, Cubi and San Miguel were
under no such restrictions, and got to hire on as extras. It was a beautiful
area they used for filming, a family resort sort of area. Unfortunately, on my
first day back in the states, someone stole my luggage, including all my
photos.
I just pulled out my multiple generation video copy of the movie and scanned
the credits...didn't see the "no animals were harmed" statement, but the
quality of the video is so bad I might have missed it.
kay w
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Gary S. Callison
: In article <810eap$1...@unix2.cc.ksu.edu>,: > >Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not,
: > >I'm impressed by the special effects).
: > scratches. However, Sheen actually killed Brando.
: Right. And you really are the Idiot Poster Child of the Year.
: Congratulations!
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AlanKngsly <alank...@aol.com> wrote:
>Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not, I'm
>standard "no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture"
>statement? Is there an exemption for animals which are routinely slaughtered
>whether a movie is made of it or not?
>
Yes, according to Hearts of Darkness (the documentary on ApNow).
It wasn't scripted, but was a lucky (for the filmmakers, not the cow)
coincidence that the local villagers were having a feast. Coppola got
his cameras in position and filmed it. Then he intercut the two
separate slaughter scenes.
I saw Hearts of Darkness in the theater, but i'd be surprised if it
wasn't available on video.
-john
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from the Library of Congress.
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Dutch Courage
>You have, of course, seen "Pork Lips Now," a favorite at SF cons
>around 20 years ago (Chinese cooks travel up Broadway (?) to locate
>exotic ingredient. About 15 mins. long (as I remember), usually shown
>w/ some Star Wars parody that I am drawing a blank on right now.
Hardware Wars (1977)
Directed by
Ernie Fosselius
Writing credits
Ernie Fosselius
Genre: Action / Comedy / Sci-Fi / Short (more)
Tagline: You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll kiss three bucks goodbye!
Complete credited cast:
Frank Robertson (I) .... 4-Q-2
Scott Mathews (I) .... Fluke Starbucker
Jeff Hale (I) .... Augie "Ben" Doggie
Cindy Furgatch .... Princess Anne-Droid
Bob Knickerbocker .... Ham Salad
Paul Frees .... Narrator
Packaged with "Pork Lips," by the same people I believe, and "Closet Cases of
the Nerd Kind."
"I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn
human actions, but to understand them" -Spinoza
"The ridiculing and scorn, that's just gravy."-Courage
Paul L. Madarasz
>
>And Pork Lips Now is about 20 years old -- I'm not sure that this was
>nearly as large an issue back then. Does the film *have* such a
>disclaimer?
>
>And I've named it before when asked about my favorite film, so I say
>"Pork Lips" with all due respect.
You have, of course, seen "Pork Lips Now," a favorite at SF cons
around 20 years ago (Chinese cooks travel up Broadway (?) to locate
exotic ingredient. About 15 mins. long (as I remember), usually shown
w/ some Star Wars parody that I am drawing a blank on right now.
Paul L. Madarasz
AlanKngsly
>Yes, according to Hearts of Darkness (the documentary on ApNow).
>It wasn't scripted, but was a lucky (for the filmmakers, not the cow)
>coincidence that the local villagers were having a feast. Coppola got
>his cameras in position and filmed it. Then he intercut the two
>separate slaughter scenes.
Interesting--thanks! Definitely a very powerful effect....
I've heard that documentary is really excellent. Now that I've finally seen
the film that is its subject, I am looking forward to seeing HOD.
Alan
Greg Goss
>About 15 mins. long (as I remember), usually shown
>w/ some Star Wars parody that I am drawing a blank on right now.
That would have been "Hardware Wars" from Twentieth Century Foss.
Randy Poe
Madarasz) wrote:
>exotic ingredient. About 15 mins. long (as I remember), usually shown
>w/ some Star Wars parody that I am drawing a blank on right now.
That would probably be the immortal "Hardware Wars". Ah, the battle
with the Imperial Steam Troopers (brilliantly played by a bunch of hot
water heaters) brings a tear to my eye...
- Randy
Glenn Rice
It's the best "the making of..." -type documentary I've ever seen. Made
by George Hickenlooper, high school classmate of some of my St. Louis friends.
AlanKngsly
>by George Hickenlooper, high school classmate of some of my St. Louis
>friends.
Really? So where did I get the notion it was made by Coppola's wife? Coulda
sworn I read that someplace....
Alan
Dutch Courage
The interviews and editing are done by Fax Bahr. The stuff shot during the
actual AN shooting was by elanor coppola, like
Bill Baldwin
>>From: Glenn Rice
>>It's the best "the making of..." -type documentary I've ever seen. Made
>>by George Hickenlooper, high school classmate of some of my St. Louis
>>friends.
>
>Really? So where did I get the notion it was made by Coppola's wife? Coulda
>sworn I read that someplace....
Hickenlooper receives a writing credit, along with Fax Bahr, on IMDB.
Direction credits go to Fax Bahr and Eleanor Coppola. Bahr, I believe, shot
the interviews. Eleanor Coppola shot the documentary footage during the making
of the film and made the secret recordings of conversations with her husband
during that time.
Bill Baldwin
>"Bill Baldwin" writes:
>>AlanKngsly wrote:
>>>>From: Glenn Rice
>>>>It's the best "the making of..." -type documentary I've ever seen. Made
>>>>by George Hickenlooper, high school classmate of some of my St. Louis
>>>>friends.
>>>
>>>Really? So where did I get the notion it was made by Coppola's wife?
>>Coulda
>>>sworn I read that someplace....
>>
>>Hickenlooper receives a writing credit, along with Fax Bahr, on IMDB.
>>Direction credits go to Fax Bahr and Eleanor Coppola.
>
>Hickenlooper also gets a directing credit.
So he does. The page I found had abbreviated credits and a "Show More" click
box under the names of Fax Bahr and Eleanor Coppola. Apparently IMDb thought
it was too much for me to handle if they told me right up front that the show
had THREE directors.
Bermuda999
Andrew Gore
Bermuda999 wrote:
> "Bill Baldwin" ju...@micronet.net writes:
> >
> >Hickenlooper receives a writing credit, along with Fax Bahr, on IMDB.
> >Direction credits go to Fax Bahr and Eleanor Coppola.
>
> If you blow some more dust off of that IMDb page, you will note that George
> Hickenlooper also gets a directing credit.
OK...NO..Wait!... It says, "How to cook FORTY People"!
Andrew Gore
Bob Ward wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:12:24 -0800, Bear <no....@my.box> wrote:
>
> >
> >AlanKngsly wrote:
> >>
> >> Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not, I'm
> >> impressed by the special effects). If it was, how did they handle that in the
> >> standard "no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture"
> >> statement? Is there an exemption for animals which are routinely slaughtered
> >> whether a movie is made of it or not?
> >
> >I think I've read that that was "documentary" footage of some real-life
> >ritual that was cut into the film. If that's right, then it wasn't
> >actually killed in the making of the movie.
> >
> >And Pork Lips Now is about 20 years old -- I'm not sure that this was
> >nearly as large an issue back then. Does the film *have* such a
> >disclaimer?
> >
> >And I've named it before when asked about my favorite film, so I say
> >"Pork Lips" with all due respect.
>
> I prefer "Taco Lips Now", myself...
...and I prefer MAD Magazine's "A Crock o'Shit Now!"
I don't understand why it's so unbelievable that they would slaughter a cow
in the Southeast Asian jungles. There"s probably hundreds of domestic animals
slaughtered daily in the rural Pacific regions; Coppola filmed one to intercut into
the movie to make a strong symbolic statement. Granted it was a more formal,
ritualistic killing than the kind of daily butchering done among the poor, but it
still occurs. The biggest reason they don"t normally kill water buffalo or cows the
way they did in the movie is that it"s messy and wasteful. They use every part of the
animal. I am reminded of a common practice in an even poorer part of the world, the
African bush. There, the nutritious animal products are so valuable that, in an
effort to get as much from the animal during it's lifetime, they ocasionally "milk"
blood from it. About once a week they will pierce a small hole in the cow, and
carefully collect the stream of spurting blood, before staunching the flow. A few
pints of bovine blood a week goes a long way toward helping a family survive life in
the bush. I was lucky enough to spend a couple of years as a kid on a swine farm in
rural California, and I several times slaughtered and dressed out Durocs that I had,
in fact, raised myself. I don't understand the above attitude of "Wow, did you see
that slaughter scene in 'AN'? What a great special effect!" What special effect? They
slaughtered a cow, so what? Happens hundreds of times a day out there. There is no
"No animals were harmed..." disclaimer in the movie, because Coppola isn't a liar,
and animals WERE harmed in the movie. It wasnt anything that doesnt happen every day,
it was an important part of the movie, and I"m quite sure the native extras in the
movie did not let the meat go to waste.
Alan Hamilton
wrote:
> ...and I prefer MAD Magazine's "A Crock o'Shit Now!"
Now, now, it was "A Crock of *BLIP* Now!"
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Andrew Gore
Alan Hamilton wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:18:11 -0800, Andrew Gore <di...@primenet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > ...and I prefer MAD Magazine's "A Crock o'Shit Now!"
>
> Now, now, it was "A Crock of *BLIP* Now!"
> --
Well, if you're going to get technical, it was actually
"A Crock o' #@a!%* Now!"
But, as National Lampoon said. you know you've outgrown MAD when
you find out
what " #@a%*!" means.
- Andrew "#@a%*!" Gore --
Alan Hamilton
wrote:
>
>
>Alan Hamilton wrote:
>> Now, now, it was "A Crock of *BLIP* Now!"
>> --
>
> Well, if you're going to get technical, it was actually
>"A Crock o' #@a!%* Now!"
> But, as National Lampoon said. you know you've outgrown MAD when
>you find out
>what " #@a%*!" means.
Nope, I've got it right in front of me (thanks to the Totally MAD CD
set) -- Mad #215, June 1980. The title is actually "A Crock O' [BLIP]
Now", with the [BLIP] superimposed.
Andrew Gore
Alan Hamilton wrote:
#@a%*#@a%*!
Tarquin
she smiled quietly to herself...
> > I think I've read that that was "documentary" footage of some real-life
> > ritual that was cut into the film. If that's right, then it wasn't
> > actually killed in the making of the movie.
They show it happening in "Hearts of Darkness," the documentary about
Apocalypse Now - not sure if the exact same incident was used in the film
itself, but the narrator makes a comment to the effect the the native
extras were so excited about filming a particular scene that they decided
to slaughter a carabao on the set.
Given the fact that the movie was made in the Philippines, where ritual
animal slaughter is still practiced by people like the Ifugo, I think
it's likely they used the real thing.
Mike Muth
On 18-Nov-1999, Bear <no....@my.box> wrote:
> AlanKngsly wrote:
> >
> > Was that cow really being killed? It sure looked like it (if not, I'm
> > impressed by the special effects). If it was, how did they handle that
> > in the
> > standard "no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture"
> > statement? Is there an exemption for animals which are routinely
> > slaughtered
> > whether a movie is made of it or not?
>
> I think I've read that that was "documentary" footage of some real-life
> ritual that was cut into the film. If that's right, then it wasn't
> actually killed in the making of the movie.
>
> And Pork Lips Now is about 20 years old -- I'm not sure that this was
> nearly as large an issue back then. Does the film *have* such a
> disclaimer?
>
> And I've named it before when asked about my favorite film, so I say
> "Pork Lips" with all due respect.
You realize of course that there was a _real_ film titled "Pork Lips Now."
WB released it on a videocassette with "Closet Cases of the Nerd Kind,"
"Hardware Wars," and "Bambi Meets Godzilla."
Mike
Bear
Come to think of it, I've *seen* PLN. I rented it, long ago, as a
singleton not bundled with those others you mention. Hadn't thought of
it in years.
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