Pagan Names
Dana Carpender
Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
As you can see, the article re pagan names was, er, pretty accurate...
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John Hatpin
>Got an email from a pagan friend that was sent to a goodly list.
>Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
>Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
>
>As you can see, the article re pagan names was, er, pretty accurate...
Aw, I want one of those names. Do I have to be pagan to have one?
Sacred Purr Manx ,,, sometimes cat-lovers go barfingly OTT, don't
they/we?
--
John "our last one was called Fox" Hatpin
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Al Yellon
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> Yep, and they got more holidays than the friggin' post office.
>
That's not possible.
Dana Carpender
Humble Will Teach wrote:
>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:26:51 -0500, Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Got an email from a pagan friend that was sent to a goodly list.
> >Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
> >Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
> >
> >As you can see, the article re pagan names was, er, pretty accurate...
>
> Yep, and they got more holidays than the friggin' post office.
>
Eh, just eight. Samhain, Yule, Imbolc or Candlemas, Eostre, Beltane,
Litha, Lammas or Lughnasad, and Mabon. Known to you as Halloween, Yule,
Groundhog Day, Spring Equinox, May Day, Summer Solstice, the beginning
of August, and Autumnal Equinox. Equally spaced -- Equinoxes and
Solstices, and the days halfway between.
Al Yellon
> session, or club gig with a Pagan.
Wonder if the Pagans would do a better job delivering the mail. So far we've
got the pizza delivery people in possible competition here too.
MeadowMan2
>Wonder if the Pagans would do a better job delivering the mail.
I thought the JWs had the high bid on that.
TR
Jim Stark
>
>Eh, just eight. Samhain, Yule, Imbolc or Candlemas, Eostre, Beltane,
>Litha, Lammas or Lughnasad, and Mabon. Known to you as Halloween, Yule,
>Groundhog Day, Spring Equinox, May Day, Summer Solstice, the beginning
>of August, and Autumnal Equinox. Equally spaced -- Equinoxes and
>Solstices, and the days halfway between.
Walpurgisnacht, forgot about that one.
"No one understands cool except me and James Dean"-Arthur Fonzarelli
Briar Rose
>Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote:
>>Got an email from a pagan friend that was sent to a goodly list.
>>Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
>>Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
>>As you can see, the article re pagan names was, er, pretty accurate...
>Aw, I want one of those names. Do I have to be pagan to have one?
Well, you do, but you could be the kind of person who
*calls* themselves pagan but is just into it so they can
give themselves a silly name, watch naked people at
festivals, and pretend that they're deep. That doesn't
take much effort, and there's lots of pagans like that.
:) Connie-Lynne
--
Who cares what they're wearing, on main street or Saville Row?
It's what you wear from ear to ear, and not from head to toe
Gary S. Callison
: > Yep, and they got more holidays than the friggin' post office.
: Eh, just eight. Samhain, Yule, Imbolc or Candlemas, Eostre, Beltane,
: Litha, Lammas or Lughnasad, and Mabon. Known to you as Halloween, Yule,
: Groundhog Day, Spring Equinox, May Day, Summer Solstice, the beginning
: of August, and Autumnal Equinox. Equally spaced -- Equinoxes and
: Solstices, and the days halfway between.
What, are these Wimp Choirboy Pagans or something? There's WAY more than
that.
You left out Opposite Day, the Feast of Eris (or 'hot-dog day', as it is
more commonly known), Pitchers-And-Catchers-Report Day, Unitarian Week,
Yog Soggoth's Day, the Hostess(tm) Festival, JR Bob Dobbs Day, Frinkday,
the Festival of New Superbowl Commercials, Tweeday, the Ides of Elvis,
and the 27th of Never.
This is just for the NON-Illuminati Pagans, mind you. Some of those
Orthodox Illuminati holidays are downright strange.
--
Huey
Hail Eris! Kill Bob! Pass the Beer Nuts! Stop Killing Each Other! Consume!
Dana Carpender
Briar Rose wrote:
>
> John Hatpin <jfhoCO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote:
> >>Got an email from a pagan friend that was sent to a goodly list.
> >>Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
> >>Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
> >>As you can see, the article re pagan names was, er, pretty accurate...
> >Aw, I want one of those names. Do I have to be pagan to have one?
>
> Well, you do, but you could be the kind of person who
> *calls* themselves pagan but is just into it so they can
> give themselves a silly name, watch naked people at
> festivals, and pretend that they're deep. That doesn't
> take much effort, and there's lots of pagans like that.
>
Don't forget getting to call massive alcohol and drug use "shamanic
states of ecstasy." Big draw, that. Oh, and lots of random sex can be
called a spiritual path.
Dana Carpender
Jim Stark wrote:
>
> Dana Carpender dcar...@kiva.net
> Date: 11/17/2001 1:24 PM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>
> >
> >Eh, just eight. Samhain, Yule, Imbolc or Candlemas, Eostre, Beltane,
> >Litha, Lammas or Lughnasad, and Mabon. Known to you as Halloween, Yule,
> >Groundhog Day, Spring Equinox, May Day, Summer Solstice, the beginning
> >of August, and Autumnal Equinox. Equally spaced -- Equinoxes and
> >Solstices, and the days halfway between.
>
> Walpurgisnacht, forgot about that one.
>
Just another name for Beltane. It's the May Day fertility festival.
Maypoles, bonfires, sex, you know, stuff like that. Celebration of the
Sacred Marriage.
Jim Stark
Date: 11/18/2001 11:21 AM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>
>Jim Stark wrote:
>> Walpurgisnacht, forgot about that one.
>>
>
>Just another name for Beltane.
No, it's when demons rule the earth and you can find buried treasure.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> Dana Carpender dcar...@kiva.net
> Date: 11/18/2001 11:21 AM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>>Jim Stark wrote:
>>> Walpurgisnacht, forgot about that one.
>>Just another name for Beltane.
> No, it's when demons rule the earth and you can find buried treasure.
I thought it was the night we would purge the countryside of Wall-Marts.
John
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Dana Carpender
ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:
>
> Jim Stark <mutigho...@aol.comcause> wrote:
> > Dana Carpender dcar...@kiva.net
> > Date: 11/18/2001 11:21 AM Eastern Standard Time writes:
> >>Jim Stark wrote:
> >>> Walpurgisnacht, forgot about that one.
> >>Just another name for Beltane.
> > No, it's when demons rule the earth and you can find buried treasure.
>
> I thought it was the night we would purge the countryside of Wall-Marts.
>
Well, no, but you get points for creativity and a great idea.
Tank
>Don't forget getting to call massive alcohol and drug use
>"shamanic states of ecstasy." Big draw, that. Oh, and
>lots of random sex can be called a spiritual path.
Sounds a lot like trying to make "Why don't we get drunk
& screw" into something tax-deductible.
--
Tank
"The Alamo. The Maine. Pearl Harbor. The Trades."
Briar Rose
>Briar Rose wrote:
>> John Hatpin <jfhoCO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote:
>> >>Got an email from a pagan friend that was sent to a goodly list.
>> >>Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
>> >>Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
>> >>As you can see, the article re pagan names was, er, pretty accurate...
>> >Aw, I want one of those names. Do I have to be pagan to have one?
>> Well, you do, but you could be the kind of person who
>> *calls* themselves pagan but is just into it so they can
>> give themselves a silly name, watch naked people at
>> festivals, and pretend that they're deep. That doesn't
>> take much effort, and there's lots of pagans like that.
>Don't forget getting to call massive alcohol and drug use "shamanic
>states of ecstasy." Big draw, that. Oh, and lots of random sex can be
>called a spiritual path.
So, we can't lose "hatpin," it's far too cute. What
should John's pagan name be? I propose
"Sacred Spiritdance Hatpin," because it keeps the "hatpin;"
"Sacred" and "Spirit" sound more masculine than some but
still hippy-dippy, and because it evokes "Angels dancing
on the head of a pin" which gives it the added bonus "lazy
pagan" points of drawing on Christian spirituality without
actually crediting it.
We can do the naming ceremony this Yule Chez Lynne.
John Hatpin
I'll book the plane tickets. Do get to have massive alcohol and drug
use and random sex, too?
--
John Hatpin
Dr H
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Dana Carpender wrote:
}
}Humble Will Teach wrote:
}>
}> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:26:51 -0500, Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net>
}> wrote:
}>
}> >Got an email from a pagan friend that was sent to a goodly list.
}> >Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
}> >Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
}> >
}> >As you can see, the article re pagan names was, er, pretty accurate...
}>
}> Yep, and they got more holidays than the friggin' post office.
}>
}
}Eh, just eight. Samhain, Yule, Imbolc or Candlemas, Eostre, Beltane,
}Litha, Lammas or Lughnasad, and Mabon. Known to you as Halloween, Yule,
}Groundhog Day, Spring Equinox, May Day, Summer Solstice, the beginning
}of August, and Autumnal Equinox. Equally spaced -- Equinoxes and
}Solstices, and the days halfway between.
What? No flag day?!
Dr H
Dr H
On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Al Yellon wrote:
}Wonder if the Pagans would do a better job delivering the mail.
Why, are they immune to anthrax?
Dr H
Patrick McKinnion
StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
> >In article <3BF681BB...@kiva.net>,
> >Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote:
> >>Got an email from a pagan friend that was sent to a goodly list.
> >>Included in the names it was sent to: Selena MoonStorm, Skydancer
> >>Windwalker (of the Covenant of the Sacredmoon), and Sacred Purr Manx.
> >
> >An observation: How many pagan names look like they might have been
> >copied off of the marquee of a strip club?
>
> Just to keep the warm, snug feeling of a covered ass, I am not pagan,
> I'm a space nut.
>
> StarChaser 'Although my fiancee is' Tyger
<Laugh!> Understand that. And while I'm Pagan, I *don't* use
the fluffbunny sweetness and light fakey names that are out there.
Mostly because I think they undermine other Pagans, but also because
they sound *tacky*!! The quasi native american names are also
annoying, as are the ones that were swiped directly from "Mists of
Avalon" or any of Mercedes Lackey's books.
And unless one is British nobility or in the SCA, (or related
groups), one should lose the "Lord" or "Lady" in their "Craft name"
Hearing someone going by something like "Lady Morganna Fluffytit
Willowbottom, High Priestess of the Sacred Circle of Fuzzy Pink
Unicorns" is enough to make my oatmeal hit the wall.
- Patrick McKinnion
--
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----------------------------
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Gary S. Callison
: We can do the naming ceremony this Yule Chez Lynne.
If we set up a videoconference between youse and the family Christmas
party in Detroit, can you do the naming ceremony for Huey "Lester
Fallsapart" Callison as well? Got broadband?
--
Huey
Briar Rose
Sure! Only problem is, got broadband but no camera.
Amy Austin
> <Laugh!> Understand that. And while I'm Pagan, I *don't* use
> the fluffbunny sweetness and light fakey names that are out there.
Because it would be a crime to take a fluffbunny name over Patrick
McKinnion. Your parents knew how to name for the ages. I'll bet your
middle name is something fabulous like "Ian", isn't it? Hmmm... No, Ian
wouldn't sound right with the "ion" at the end of your name. I'll bet
it's fabulous, anyway. Sean?
<snip>
> And unless one is British nobility or in the SCA, (or related
> groups), one should lose the "Lord" or "Lady" in their "Craft name"
> Hearing someone going by something like "Lady Morganna Fluffytit
> Willowbottom, High Priestess of the Sacred Circle of Fuzzy Pink
> Unicorns" is enough to make my oatmeal hit the wall.
HAHAHAhahahaha... You owe me a new keyboard.
L & k,
Amy
Lesmond
>Gary S. Callison <hu...@interaccess.com> wrote:
>>Briar Rose (cly...@ugcs.caltech.edu) wrote:
>>: We can do the naming ceremony this Yule Chez Lynne.
>>If we set up a videoconference between youse and the family Christmas
>>party in Detroit, can you do the naming ceremony for Huey "Lester
>>Fallsapart" Callison as well? Got broadband?
>
>Sure! Only problem is, got broadband but no camera.
I'll loan you the camera if I get a super-special pagan name, too...
_
You call this a slasher movie? All he's got is a butterknife!
Dana Carpender
No official pagan flag.
Sean Houtman
>On 21 Nov 2001 17:15:55 GMT, Briar Rose wrote:
>
>>Gary S. Callison <hu...@interaccess.com> wrote:
>>>Briar Rose (cly...@ugcs.caltech.edu) wrote:
>>>: We can do the naming ceremony this Yule Chez Lynne.
>>>If we set up a videoconference between youse and the family Christmas
>>>party in Detroit, can you do the naming ceremony for Huey "Lester
>>>Fallsapart" Callison as well? Got broadband?
>>
>>Sure! Only problem is, got broadband but no camera.
>
>I'll loan you the camera if I get a super-special pagan name, too...
>
>
I got a camera _and_ broadband. Can I be Springforest Rowanheart?
Sean
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Dr H
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Dana Carpender wrote:
}Dr H wrote:
}> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Dana Carpender wrote:
}> }Humble Will Teach wrote:
}> }> Yep, and they got more holidays than the friggin' post office.
}> }
}> }Eh, just eight. Samhain, Yule, Imbolc or Candlemas, Eostre, Beltane,
}> }Litha, Lammas or Lughnasad, and Mabon. Known to you as Halloween, Yule,
}> }Groundhog Day, Spring Equinox, May Day, Summer Solstice, the beginning
}> }of August, and Autumnal Equinox. Equally spaced -- Equinoxes and
}> }Solstices, and the days halfway between.
}>
}> What? No flag day?!
}>
}
}No official pagan flag.
Maybe it's time they merged with the Rainbow Coalition.
Dr H
Dana Carpender
Amy Austin wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Patrick McKinnion wrote:
>
> > <Laugh!> Understand that. And while I'm Pagan, I *don't* use
> > the fluffbunny sweetness and light fakey names that are out there.
>
> Because it would be a crime to take a fluffbunny name over Patrick
> McKinnion. Your parents knew how to name for the ages. I'll bet your
> middle name is something fabulous like "Ian", isn't it? Hmmm... No, Ian
> wouldn't sound right with the "ion" at the end of your name. I'll bet
> it's fabulous, anyway. Sean?
>
I'm bucking for "Seamus." Patrick Seamus McKinnion. Has a ring to it,
don't you think? (For the uninitiated, think "Sean" when you look at
the name "Seamus", and you'll likely pronounce it right.)
Amy Austin
> Amy Austin wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Patrick McKinnion wrote:
> >
> > > <Laugh!> Understand that. And while I'm Pagan, I *don't* use
> > > the fluffbunny sweetness and light fakey names that are out there.
> >
> > Because it would be a crime to take a fluffbunny name over Patrick
> > McKinnion. Your parents knew how to name for the ages. I'll bet your
> > middle name is something fabulous like "Ian", isn't it? Hmmm... No, Ian
> > wouldn't sound right with the "ion" at the end of your name. I'll bet
> > it's fabulous, anyway. Sean?
> >
>
> I'm bucking for "Seamus." Patrick Seamus McKinnion. Has a ring to it,
> don't you think? (For the uninitiated, think "Sean" when you look at
> the name "Seamus", and you'll likely pronounce it right.)
I'll bet his sister's name is Siobhan.... Lucky bitch... :-)
L & k,
Stuck with a dumb name like Amy
GrapeApe
>don't you think? (For the uninitiated, think "Sean" when you look at
>the name "Seamus", and you'll likely pronounce it right.)
Shaymus on us if we don't.
Jim Stark
>I'll bet his sister's name is Siobhan...
Barf.
Amy Austin
> Amy Austin glea...@purdue.edu
> Date: 11/22/2001 10:47 AM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>
> >I'll bet his sister's name is Siobhan...
>
> Barf.
I didn't realize that "Barf" was a traditional Scottish name... :)
L & k,
Amy
Asterbark
Amy Austin
That's why the Scottish version of The Simpsons never took off.
L & k,
Amy ("Why you little!")
Briar Rose
>cly...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Briar Rose) wrote:
>>We can do the naming ceremony this Yule Chez Lynne.
>I'll book the plane tickets. Do get to have massive alcohol and drug
>use and random sex, too?
I think you should save that for one of those big
crazy outdoor pagan festivals they have in your
country in the summertime. I know they exist, 'cause
I read about 'em in _Hellblazer_.
Dana Carpender
And what's wrong with the name Siobhan, anyway? I've always thought it
was beautiful, although I was under the impression it was Irish.
Prettiest girl in my Girl Scout troop was Siobhan Harlow.
Asterbark
>Amy Austin wrote:
>>
>> On 22 Nov 2001, Jim Stark wrote:
>>
>> > Amy Austin glea...@purdue.edu
>> > Date: 11/22/2001 10:47 AM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>> >
>> > >I'll bet his sister's name is Siobhan...
>> >
>> > Barf.
>>
>> I didn't realize that "Barf" was a traditional Scottish name... :)
>>
>
>And what's wrong with the name Siobhan, anyway? I've always thought it
>was beautiful, although I was under the impression it was Irish.
>Prettiest girl in my Girl Scout troop was Siobhan Harlow.
It's like Liam, no American kid really wants to be called that. Plus, why
should anyone have to go through life correcting the pronunciation and the
spelling for nearly everyone he or she meets? Sha-vonne says to me Shirelle
which makes me think of Dixie cups and supremes and chiffon. It is a flimsy
trend, calling your kid a foreign name just for fashion's sake. It shouldn't
matter (but anyway is the basis for many naming choices) who had the name you
like, if she was pretty or nice. I think Siobhan is either a hate it or love
it, but I see it more often lately, so it's probably due to be very trendy and
then fall off the map. Maybe it's pretty and romantic and Celtic is
oh-so-magnetic, but it's not in English and if you're hardly even Irish, you
have little business imposing a foreign language awkwardly spelled and
pronounced name on an American baby. Most names are more brand labels to
advertise who the parents are or wish they were if they were just born, and you
know, have to fit the outcome for a very long time.
--
Aster
"Just sing."
mike (aka socalmike)
"Dana Carpender" <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote in message
news:3C005114...@kiva.net...
>
>
> Amy Austin wrote:
> >
> > On 22 Nov 2001, Jim Stark wrote:
> >
> > > Amy Austin glea...@purdue.edu
> > > Date: 11/22/2001 10:47 AM Eastern Standard Time writes:
> > >
> > > >I'll bet his sister's name is Siobhan...
pronounced "shuh-VON", right? but it looks like "sye-OBE-han"
Jim Stark
>Amy Austin wrote:
>>
>> On 22 Nov 2001, Jim Stark wrote:
>>
>> > Amy Austin glea...@purdue.edu
>> > Date: 11/22/2001 10:47 AM Eastern Standard Time writes:
>> >
>> > >I'll bet his sister's name is Siobhan...
>> >
>> > Barf.
>>
>> I didn't realize that "Barf" was a traditional Scottish name... :)
>>
>
>And what's wrong with the name Siobhan, anyway?
Well, one thing, if I were Siobhan's daddy, I'd find it strange she'd need
shit wiped off of her.
> I've always thought it
>was beautiful, although I was under the impression it was Irish.
You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
John Dean
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names (like John McStephens insisted on being called Sean McStiofan) and the
other half is anglicising the gaelic because they get fed up of the
mispronunciation (anyone remember that Enya used to record under her actual
name, Eithne? (pronounced Enya?))
--
John Dean
Oxford
De-frag to reply
Dana Carpender
Yep, you have the pronunciation right.
Amy Austin
> You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
I have friends who named their first daughter Lucy and their second
daughter Jane. Great kids.
L & k,
Amy
Deborah
>I'd love it if the Miskatonic University people would come up with some
>banners I could hang outside. GO PODS!
>
I can't help you with banners, but would you be interested in a Miskatonic
University bumper sticker? There's an sf bookshop in Harvard Square -
Pandemonium - that sells them.
Best regards from Deborah
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> And unless one is British nobility or in the SCA, (or related
>groups), one should lose the "Lord" or "Lady" in their "Craft name"
Right you are. What's with all the lords and ladies, anyway? Aren't there any
commoners practicing neo-paganism these days?
Best regards from Deborah "very much a commoner by the standards of the Jewish
tradition" Finn
Alistair Gale
Well I have met two sisters:
Grainne: pronounced gron-nya
???????: pronounced eth-na (eff-na with a bit of tongue-tooth)
So I'm guessing that Eithne is pronounced Eth-na not Enya. (JMO)
Also my brother used to date a Sian. (Trailer trash speak: Shivvon)
--
alistair (think "alexander")
N Jill Marsh
<john...@frag.lineone.net>wrote:
>Seems like half of Ireland is finding Gaelic-looking spellings for their
>names (like John McStephens insisted on being called Sean McStiofan) and the
>other half is anglicising the gaelic because they get fed up of the
>mispronunciation (anyone remember that Enya used to record under her actual
>name, Eithne? (pronounced Enya?))
I thought that "enya" was the name "Aine" (with an accent on there
somewhere), though my Irish pronounciation is pretty dreadful. I
suspect that many Irish speakers would take exception to your
"Gaelic-looking spellings" term.
nj"plain Irish does nicely"m
"When I first met Gordie I was seventeen,
Dad called him a hoodlum in tight blue jeans."
Alistair Gale
<alis...@caribsurf.com> wrote:
>Well I have met two sisters:
> Grainne: pronounced gron-nya
> ???????: pronounced eth-na (eff-na with a bit of tongue-tooth)
>
>So I'm guessing that Eithne is pronounced Eth-na not Enya. (JMO)
>
>Also my brother used to date a Sian. (Trailer trash speak: Shivvon)
Oops, I think Sian should be prounced SHAN (we used to call her
see-ann anyhow).
--
alistair
Al Yellon
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> So I'm guessing that Eithne is pronounced Eth-na not Enya. (JMO)
I knew a woman named Eithne who was, in fact, from Ireland (living
temporarily in Chicago) and she pronounced her name...
"Edna"
Asterbark
Not a lot of American people realize "Caitlyn" is pronounced Kathleen and not
Kate-Lin. Also, you can skip "Colleen" and just write "Girl" in the space for
the name.
--
Aster
"Just sing."
John Dean
"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:37:39 -0000, "John Dean"
> <john...@frag.lineone.net>wrote:
>
> >Seems like half of Ireland is finding Gaelic-looking spellings for their
> >names (like John McStephens insisted on being called Sean McStiofan) and
the
> >other half is anglicising the gaelic because they get fed up of the
> >mispronunciation (anyone remember that Enya used to record under her
actual
> >name, Eithne? (pronounced Enya?))
>
> I thought that "enya" was the name "Aine" (with an accent on there
> somewhere), though my Irish pronounciation is pretty dreadful. I
> suspect that many Irish speakers would take exception to your
> "Gaelic-looking spellings" term.
>
Check out Eithne's web site http://www.enya.org/dictionary/e.htm
She got tired of people calling her 'eth-ney'
As to the other,
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/inside/mac.html
confirms that John Stevenson, born in England, took the name Sean MacStiofan
as part of active commitment to Republicanism.
Bill Diamond
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 26 Nov 2001 00:36:10 GMT that ...
Well, half credit, Aster. "Girl" is Cailin (diacritical over the final
i). The prononciation is more like cah-LIN than the usual American
pronounciation.
Bill
"You never know what is enough unless you
know what is more than enough." --William Blake
Amy Austin
> Not a lot of American people realize "Caitlyn" is pronounced Kathleen and not
> Kate-Lin. Also, you can skip "Colleen" and just write "Girl" in the space for
> the name.
Next you'll be saying that about Sheila...
L & k,
Amy (beloved)
Asterbark
>
>Good old aste...@aol.commiles (Asterbark) wrote in
>alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 26 Nov 2001 00:36:10 GMT that ...
>>"Al Yellon" aye...@REMOVETHIScolgatealumni.org wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"Alistair Gale" <alis...@caribsurf.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4fi20u8qe1km5q97d...@4ax.com...
>>>> So I'm guessing that Eithne is pronounced Eth-na not Enya. (JMO)
>>>
>>>I knew a woman named Eithne who was, in fact, from Ireland (living
>>>temporarily in Chicago) and she pronounced her name...
>>>
>>>"Edna"
>>
>>
>>Not a lot of American people realize "Caitlyn" is pronounced Kathleen and
>not
>>Kate-Lin. Also, you can skip "Colleen" and just write "Girl" in the space
>for
>>the name.
>
>
>Well, half credit, Aster. "Girl" is Cailin (diacritical over the final
>i). The prononciation is more like cah-LIN than the usual American
>pronounciation.
Does "colleen" not mean girl, as in "It's a colleen! What should we name her?"
--
Aster
"have no cigar"
Dana Carpender
Jim Stark wrote:
>
>
> You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
Bill Diamond
It possibly does, just not in Irish Gaelic. Another gaelic language,
perhaps?
Amy Austin
> Jim Stark wrote:
> >
> > You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
>
> Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
> Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
> but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
Phillippa as in "fill-LEAP-puh" or "fill-LIP-puh"? That's unusual, is it
a family name or is there a story, or do you just like it?
L & k,
Amy (my jury's out until you tell me how you're going to pronounce it! :)
)
Asterbark
I think it's FILL'-e-pah'
Phillip, uh...
More like NIC-o-la is to NICH-o-las, and less like Ni-COLE-ah.
--
Aster
"Just sing."
N Jill Marsh
<john...@frag.lineone.net>wrote:
>
>> somewhere), though my Irish pronounciation is pretty dreadful. I
>> suspect that many Irish speakers would take exception to your
>> "Gaelic-looking spellings" term.
>>
>Check out Eithne's web site http://www.enya.org/dictionary/e.htm
>She got tired of people calling her 'eth-ney'
Cool. I know an Aine (with an accent on there somewhere) pronounced
"Enya" as well. I wonder if they are different versions of the same
name, or if there are subtleties in the pronounciation that I don't
pick up on (e.g., maybe Aine-with-an-accent-on-there-somewhere is
really closer to 'anya" or something).
>As to the other,
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/inside/mac.html
>confirms that John Stevenson, born in England, took the name Sean MacStiofan
>as part of active commitment to Republicanism.
As to this other, I'm unsure where your link demonstrates that people
are "finding Gaelic-looking spellings", rather than just returning to
Irish versions of their names for whatever reason. Those are two
different actions, to me. We are in the middle of something similar
in Canada, in Nunavut, where the red tape has finally been snipped to
allow Inuit to easily change their names to more appropriate spellings
and pronounciations.
nj"let's get rid of all those egregious translations of names while
we're at it, as well"m
N Jill Marsh
<dcar...@kiva.net>wrote:
>Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
>Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
>but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
Noooo, don't call her by her middle name! She'll curse you for it in
this computer age - it took me years of agressive behaviour at banks,
schools and everywhere else to finally get a consistent name instead
of Jill J Marsh, Jill N Marsh, J N Marsh and other variations. I'm
not even all that hot on the way N Jill looks, but at least it's legal
and consistent.
nj"Pippa"m
Dana Carpender
Amy Austin wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Dana Carpender wrote:
>
> > Jim Stark wrote:
> > >
> > > You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
> >
> > Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
> > Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
> > but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
>
> Phillippa as in "fill-LEAP-puh" or "fill-LIP-puh"? That's unusual, is it
> a family name or is there a story, or do you just like it?
FILL-ip-pa. My mother is Jane, her mother was Phillippa, and my
great-grandmother was Phillippa Jane. And I may be spelling it wrong,
it may be Philippa. In fact, now that I look at it, that looks better.
Anyway, there was apparently a British queen by that name who saved the
economy by introducing the wool trade, which I guess is where my family
got it, although I'm not sure. I think Philippa Jane has some strong
things to recommend it. If she tired of being Janey, she could be PJ.
Or she could use either of the official nicknames for Philippa -- Flip,
or Pippa, both of which are sort of nice. Or, I suppose, she could go
by Philippa Jane.
Or I might just name her Grace instead. Grace was Philippa's older
sister, and I loved her dearly -- Grandma died when I was quite young,
but Aunt Grace lived nearby, and we saw her at least weekly until we
moved when I was 17, and we went back to visit as often as we could
after that. Grace died when I was in my early twenties.
Amy Austin
> FILL-ip-pa. My mother is Jane, her mother was Phillippa, and my
> great-grandmother was Phillippa Jane. And I may be spelling it wrong,
> it may be Philippa. In fact, now that I look at it, that looks better.
Aw, that's pretty neat...
> Anyway, there was apparently a British queen by that name who saved the
> economy by introducing the wool trade, which I guess is where my family
> got it, although I'm not sure. I think Philippa Jane has some strong
> things to recommend it. If she tired of being Janey, she could be PJ.
> Or she could use either of the official nicknames for Philippa -- Flip,
> or Pippa, both of which are sort of nice. Or, I suppose, she could go
> by Philippa Jane.
Pippa is totally cute.
> Or I might just name her Grace instead. Grace was Philippa's older
> sister, and I loved her dearly -- Grandma died when I was quite young,
> but Aunt Grace lived nearby, and we saw her at least weekly until we
> moved when I was 17, and we went back to visit as often as we could
> after that. Grace died when I was in my early twenties.
I *love* the name Grace.
L & k,
Amy (any baby of yours will be fabulous, no matter what s/he's named)
Bob E.
> FILL-ip-pa. My mother is Jane, her mother was Phillippa, and my
> great-grandmother was Phillippa Jane. And I may be spelling it wrong,
> it may be Philippa. In fact, now that I look at it, that looks better.
>
> Anyway, there was apparently a British queen by that name who saved the
> economy by introducing the wool trade, which I guess is where my family
> got it, although I'm not sure. I think Philippa Jane has some strong
> things to recommend it. If she tired of being Janey, she could be PJ.
> Or she could use either of the official nicknames for Philippa -- Flip,
> or Pippa, both of which are sort of nice. Or, I suppose, she could go
> by Philippa Jane.
>
> Or I might just name her Grace instead. Grace was Philippa's older
> sister, and I loved her dearly -- Grandma died when I was quite young,
> but Aunt Grace lived nearby, and we saw her at least weekly until we
> moved when I was 17, and we went back to visit as often as we could
> after that. Grace died when I was in my early twenties.
I want to have a cat named Orlando one day. --Bob
================================================================================
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Halted Specialties Co., Inc. http://www.halted.com
3500 Ryder St. (408) 732-1573
Santa Clara, Calif. 95051 USA (408) 732-6428 (FAX)
Jason Quick
See, I like that. I have great difficulty (as does Aster, apparently) with
folks who name their kids seemingly without regard for the fact that the kid
has to go through life with that name. That's why I get so bent outta shape
about the current name trend, and really shudder at creative naming
practices.
I mean, let's say you have a daughter, and name her Kaylee. Now, it's not
the worst name out there, and it's cute enough when she's 4, but the child
has to grow up someday, and I'm not sure that I'd be able to take, say, a
neurosurgeon seriously if she were named Kaylee.
Same goes for the boys' names that smack of a "let's pretend we're East
Coast Ivy League types" thing. Really, how many kids can or should
reasonably be named Connor or Tanner or Hunter or Corbin? At this rate, the
history of the 21st Century is gonna read like a fuckin' "Days of Our Lives"
script.
Jason
Jason Quick
> Noooo, don't call her by her middle name! She'll curse you for it in
> this computer age - it took me years of agressive behaviour at banks,
> schools and everywhere else to finally get a consistent name instead
> of Jill J Marsh, Jill N Marsh, J N Marsh and other variations. I'm
> not even all that hot on the way N Jill looks, but at least it's legal
> and consistent.
Well, what's wrong with just plain "N Marsh" ?
And, since you've opened the door, what's the "N" for? Is it Nancy (a
perfectly nice name)?
Actually, there's plenty wrong with letter-names. If one's first name
really *is* just a letter or letters, it's hell to do things like open
brokerage accounts.
Jason
Asterbark
>
>"Amy Austin" <glea...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 25 Nov 2001, Jim Stark wrote:
>>
>> > You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
>>
>> I have friends who named their first daughter Lucy and their second
>> daughter Jane. Great kids.
>
>See, I like that. I have great difficulty (as does Aster, apparently)
Well, it's hard to differentiate between my personal tastes, the trends, and
why people follow them. I neither like the names Lucy nor Jane for daughters I
might have someday, even though they fit my personal criteria for what a name
ought to be. I like that other people choose other names I like that don't fit
my criteria for what I would impose upon my own children. In my opinion, say,
Elizabeth isn't that nice of a name, but people are drawn to it for some reason
they aren't toward Josephine. I like a lot of trendier names, but file them
under 'no' for the simple reason they are too trendy, for example, I think
"Amber" is the ideal name by sound and the way it looks when written, except
for it's overused and somehow ended up with a reputation for being a certain
sort of girl. I don't like "Grace" at all because it means a specific and
obvious quality that may not fit, although it's very nice otherwise. I like
that some people grow into their names, and it's hard for me to criticize once
the child is real, for example, my job at the daycare. One father made a point
of demonstrating that his daughter's name was "Maggie. Not Margaret (aren't we
hip?)" One girl's name was Delanie, which is not weird at all once you know
her, it seems like a perfectly beautiful, yet simple choice. It is simple and
fancy at the same time, it is unusual and common at the same time, it is
feminine on her with the added bonus of having a masculine (read: competent,
confident female) flair. It's a last-name-first that ought to be used more
often, and I believe it's genuine article mother's-maiden-name or
family-derived. It is cute and young and fresh, but will still fit when she's a
grown-up, I think. I find it really hard to sell anyone in my family on that
name since it's "not really a name, why do you have to be so weird???"
with
>folks who name their kids seemingly without regard for the fact that the kid
>has to go through life with that name. That's why I get so bent outta shape
>about the current name trend, and really shudder at creative naming
>practices.
I shudder at the practice of out-syllabling and indecisiveness and the Cabbage
Patch trend of calling out for one's child at the mall with all 4 or 5 of his
or her trendy/uneek names without a hint of "you're in so much trouble" just so
other people can hear how clever you are. If you name your kid Zachariah
Christopher Michael Charles Andrew, just call him Zack, I guess, and 8
different other Zachs come to the call. You have to differentiate your Zack
from the pack.
>
>I mean, let's say you have a daughter, and name her Kaylee. Now, it's not
>the worst name out there, and it's cute enough when she's 4, but the child
>has to grow up someday, and I'm not sure that I'd be able to take, say, a
>neurosurgeon seriously if she were named Kaylee.
>
>Same goes for the boys' names that smack of a "let's pretend we're East
>Coast Ivy League types" thing. Really, how many kids can or should
>reasonably be named Connor or Tanner or Hunter or Corbin? At this rate, the
>history of the 21st Century is gonna read like a fuckin' "Days of Our Lives"
>script.
>
The very good part of this is that they're all in the same age-group, so they
won't feel *so* outlandish with all that company. Some people have a very good
reason for picking a name that just happens to be trendy, and maybe would have
used it anyway because they love it. Being that it's trendy may smooth out any
fears that other kids will tease them. The worst thing, though, is definitely
the girls taking real boy-boy names. It's one thing to be Ashley or Joanne.
it's quite another to be a girl named Thomas. For as much as I think many
traditional boy things are just as useful and good for girls (like the blue
room), it still doesn't work the other way for me. Once a name like Taylor is
for girls, it's hard to be a boy named Taylor, or even Patrick.
--
Aster
"Just sing."
Jim Stark
>>Does "colleen" not mean girl, as in "It's a colleen! What should we name
>her?"
>
>
>It possibly does, just not in Irish Gaelic. Another gaelic language,
>perhaps
No, in English. It's how you anglicize "Cailin"
"colleen
t noun an Irish term for a girl or young woman.
n an Irish girl or young woman.
—ORIGIN early 19th cent.: from Irish cailin, diminutive of caile
'countrywoman'."
"No one understands cool except me and James Dean"-Arthur Fonzarelli
Estron
> Also, you can skip "Colleen" and just write "Girl" in the space for
> the name.
Does that mean my brother and his wife, who show Cardigan Welsh Corgis,
should just enter the contests giving the breed as "dog"?
--
All opinions are --surprise!-- only that.
Pax vobiscum.
est...@tfs.net
Kansas City, Missouri
Estron
> Now, it's not the worst name out there, and it's cute enough when
> she's 4, but the child has to grow up someday, and I'm not sure
> that I'd be able to take, say, a neurosurgeon seriously if she were
> named Kaylee.
In all probability, if you were her patient you'd be thinking of her as
"Dr. Sorenson" or whatever. And very, very few patients obsess about
the first name of their doctor, stockbroker or teacher.
Estron
> Really, how many kids can or should reasonably be named Connor
> or Tanner or Hunter or Corbin?
Back in 1961, my kindergarten class had six girls named Mary and five
boys named John. Clarification was called for. It would have been okay
with me if four of the five Johns had decided to be called Connor,
Tanner, Hunter and Corbin.
I'm glad we're getting away from grade-school classes saturated with
Jasons and Jennifers.
Estron
> FILL-ip-pa. My mother is Jane, her mother was Phillippa, and my
> great-grandmother was Phillippa Jane. And I may be spelling it wrong,
> it may be Philippa. In fact, now that I look at it, that looks better.
Years ago, the public trash receptacles in the city of St. Joseph,
Missouri had signs reading: "Philippa Basket says keep trash hid."
Estron
> > What? No flag day?!
with this:
> No official pagan flag.
Remember also that "pagan" describes one's religion as well as does
"Christian." Under either adjective, there are so many denominations,
sects, cults, and hangers-on that the general adjective is well-nigh
useless. We'll have an official pagan flag when there's an official
flag for Earth.
N Jill Marsh
<jsq...@home.com>wrote:
>See, I like that. I have great difficulty (as does Aster, apparently) with
>folks who name their kids seemingly without regard for the fact that the kid
>has to go through life with that name. That's why I get so bent outta shape
>about the current name trend, and really shudder at creative naming
>practices.
The current name trend has been going on for at least a hundred years.
These things happen - look at all the English Margarets and Elizabeths
of a certain age. I'm pretty hard on people who name their kids goofy
things, but I guess what I'd consider goofy is far off what you would.
>I mean, let's say you have a daughter, and name her Kaylee. Now, it's not
>the worst name out there, and it's cute enough when she's 4, but the child
>has to grow up someday, and I'm not sure that I'd be able to take, say, a
>neurosurgeon seriously if she were named Kaylee.
Funnily enough, I heard a similar complaint about doctors named Jason
and Jennifer about twenty five years ago. I had a doctor named Jason
once, and I got to admit, I thought it funny for about three minutes,
though it was more over the fact that I was officially too old to date
my doctor.
>Same goes for the boys' names that smack of a "let's pretend we're East
>Coast Ivy League types" thing. Really, how many kids can or should
>reasonably be named Connor or Tanner or Hunter or Corbin? At this rate, the
>history of the 21st Century is gonna read like a fuckin' "Days of Our Lives"
>script.
Do you mean the same way that the history of the 20th century reads
like an "On the Road..." movie starring Hope and Crosby? All those
mother kind of names like Shirley and Dorothy and Betty are the
Jennifer and Ashleys of the previous generation.
All those Hunters et al fit in nicely with their generation, as do the
Kaylas, as you do in yours. They are odd to you only because you're
not part of that generation. Naming a kid a family's last name is a
very old custom, not a trend.
nj"mmmmmFitzwilliam Darcy"m
"But Daddy he ain't like what you'd ever be.
He's fast, he's sharp, and he's wild about me."
N Jill Marsh
<jsq...@home.com>wrote:
>"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote:
[stuff about going by middle names]
>Well, what's wrong with just plain "N Marsh" ?
Because it's not what I'm called. It was decided to call me by my
middle name, "Jill", because there were three generations of the first
name in the same house. A done deal within hours of birth. A very
sensible decision, and perfectly easy to cope with when forms got
filled out by human beings. Thank goodness they decided to do that, I
would have hated to have been known by "Little N" or whatever. Naming
people after the living and the dead, as well as using family surnames
as given names, is very common in my family, and has been for
generations.
>And, since you've opened the door, what's the "N" for? Is it Nancy (a
>perfectly nice name)?
Yes, Nancy is nice, but I'm a Nora. A name I like very much, and I
would have had no objection to being called that, but wasn't. I got
very sick of the constant mistakes of order, etc when I was in my late
teens, and so decided to get everything changed to "N Jill", which has
made things much simpler in everyday life, although it's more of an
official designation than anything, I'm plain "Jill" day to day.
>Actually, there's plenty wrong with letter-names. If one's first name
>really *is* just a letter or letters, it's hell to do things like open
>brokerage accounts.
I've tended to just give the letter "N" when asked for my first name,
because if I give them the whole thing people tend to use that as the
default name, and then use "J" as the middle initial. This never used
to bother me until I ran into bits and bobs of trouble because the
names on my passport, driver's license, etc didn't match nicely, and
this caused trouble with identifying myself under some circumstances.
I've never had any trouble with just using the "N", but I've never
opened up a brokerage account either.
nj"the 'njm' signiature is another story, and even more boring"m
Michael
> nj"mmmmmFitzwilliam Darcy"m
Or simply Colin?
--
Michael
I have three e-mail addresses :
mitc...@image-link.com mitc...@att.net mitc...@home.com
If one doesn't work, well...
Al Yellon
news:uu350uouc0i6v19t0...@4ax.com...
> I've tended to just give the letter "N" when asked for my first name,
> because if I give them the whole thing people tend to use that as the
> default name, and then use "J" as the middle initial. This never used
> to bother me until I ran into bits and bobs of trouble because the
> names on my passport, driver's license, etc didn't match nicely, and
> this caused trouble with identifying myself under some circumstances.
> I've never had any trouble with just using the "N", but I've never
> opened up a brokerage account either.
You'd think it wouldn't be an issue, since plenty of people use their first
name and middle initial. But a lot of forms ask for just that, and it throws
them off when you try to use a first initial and middle *name*. I can see
how you would get this kind of problem.
What I'm not sure I understand is why they gave you the first name when it
was already very common in your house -- if they were going to call you
Jill, why not just give you the name "Jill Nora" instead of "Nora Jill"?
N Jill Marsh
<aye...@REMOVETHIScolgatealumni.org>wrote:
>"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote in message
>news:uu350uouc0i6v19t0...@4ax.com...
>> I've tended to just give the letter "N" when asked for my first name,
>> because if I give them the whole thing people tend to use that as the
>> default name, and then use "J" as the middle initial. This never used
>> to bother me until I ran into bits and bobs of trouble because the
>> names on my passport, driver's license, etc didn't match nicely, and
>> this caused trouble with identifying myself under some circumstances.
>> I've never had any trouble with just using the "N", but I've never
>> opened up a brokerage account either.
>
>You'd think it wouldn't be an issue, since plenty of people use their first
>name and middle initial. But a lot of forms ask for just that, and it throws
>them off when you try to use a first initial and middle *name*. I can see
>how you would get this kind of problem.
With those kinds of forms, I just use N J, and leave them with that.
When that's all they have to work with, there's never a problem. It's
when you give them an option of using your first name that stupid
mistakes happen. I had a driver's license come back with Jill J Marsh
on it once, because I'd insisted that my name go down as "Jill".
My passport has "Nora Jill Marsh" on it, rather than the default Nora
J Marsh, because they couldn't cope with N Jill Marsh and I wasn't
going to deal with another petty official insisting I wasn't who I was
because the names don't match up properly.
>What I'm not sure I understand is why they gave you the first name when it
>was already very common in your house -- if they were going to call you
>Jill, why not just give you the name "Jill Nora" instead of "Nora Jill"?
"Jill Nora Marsh" scans horribly. I mean, that sounds like Sue-Betty,
or Bob-Billy.
nj"just happy I wasn't a Marsha"m
N Jill Marsh
<mitc...@image-link.com>wrote:
>> nj"mmmmmFitzwilliam Darcy"m
>
>Or simply Colin?
Well, I'd happily take either, but both in the same package...
nj"excuse me"m
Jason Quick
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:14:03 -0600, "Jason Quick"
> <jsq...@home.com>wrote:
>
> >See, I like that. I have great difficulty (as does Aster, apparently)
with
> >folks who name their kids seemingly without regard for the fact that the
kid
> >has to go through life with that name. That's why I get so bent outta
shape
> >about the current name trend, and really shudder at creative naming
> >practices.
>
> The current name trend has been going on for at least a hundred years.
> These things happen - look at all the English Margarets and Elizabeths
> of a certain age. I'm pretty hard on people who name their kids goofy
> things, but I guess what I'd consider goofy is far off what you would.
Hm...perhaps. What would you consider goofy?
The thing with Margaret or Elizabeth is that they (or their variants) remain
fairly popular yet. To wit:
Most Popular Names, 2000:
http://www.babycenter.com/babyname/names2000.html
And 1970:
http://www.babycenter.com/babyname/names70.html
And 1930:
And 1900:
Seems that the popularity of names was relatively slow to change up until
the 1980s or so - then in the 90s, things got really out of control. It's,
like, the Faux-Celtic Decade.
> Funnily enough, I heard a similar complaint about doctors named Jason
> and Jennifer about twenty five years ago. I had a doctor named Jason
> once, and I got to admit, I thought it funny for about three minutes,
> though it was more over the fact that I was officially too old to date
> my doctor.
*amused snort*
Well, I dunno about that. The picture you posted to Community Zero seems to
indicate yer a cutie. But then I have a penchant for older women (I gather
yer past 28), so I may be biased : )
Let's be honest here, though...most of the common names of older generations
weren't simply made up out of thin air. Despite their popularity
twentymumble years ago, Jason and Jennifer are old (and in the case of mine,
ancient) names.
I do not rail against names simply because they're popular - if
not-so-popular was what I wanted in child-naming, instead of Andrew (9th
most popular last year), I'd have named my boy Henry (not even on the top
100). Both were candidates.
> All those Hunters et al fit in nicely with their generation, as do the
> Kaylas, as you do in yours. They are odd to you only because you're
> not part of that generation. Naming a kid a family's last name is a
> very old custom, not a trend.
Agreed, more or less. Though, most of the folks I've encountered who've
named their children such things (when I've been in a position to ask)
didn't do it because of some family heritage thing. They did it because it
was trendy. I mean, come on...how many people could really have the name
"Dakota" in their geneaology? And "Makayla??" Why not "Michaela?" It's
not like it's so common as to warrant the creative spelling.
I wrote previously that the history of the 21st century is going to read
like a soap opera script. I wonder...to what extent *does* pop culture
influence name choices these days? I can't help thinking there's more than
a few kids out there whose names were drawn from a seed planted in Mom and
Dad's brains by an Aaron Spelling show.
Jason
Jason Quick
> >"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote:
>
> [stuff about going by middle names]
>
> >Well, what's wrong with just plain "N Marsh" ?
>
> Because it's not what I'm called.
I was just tweaking you a bit, luv. I know.
It was decided to call me by my
> middle name, "Jill", because there were three generations of the first
> name in the same house. A done deal within hours of birth. A very
> sensible decision, and perfectly easy to cope with when forms got
> filled out by human beings. Thank goodness they decided to do that, I
> would have hated to have been known by "Little N" or whatever. Naming
> people after the living and the dead, as well as using family surnames
> as given names, is very common in my family, and has been for
> generations.
Word up. I'm there with you. My middle name, as well as my son's, are
drawn from our forebears.
> >And, since you've opened the door, what's the "N" for? Is it Nancy (a
> >perfectly nice name)?
>
> Yes, Nancy is nice, but I'm a Nora. A name I like very much, and I
> would have had no objection to being called that, but wasn't.
Well, yer right. Nora is perfectly lovely.
> I've tended to just give the letter "N" when asked for my first name,[...]
Yeah, folks like you drove me nuts when I worked the phones at Ameritrade.
: )
> nj"the 'njm' signiature is another story, and even more boring"m
Hey, if it weren't for boring prattle, you'd be able to write the entire
posting history of AFCA on the back of a matchbook.
Jason
Al Yellon
>
> With those kinds of forms, I just use N J, and leave them with that.
> When that's all they have to work with, there's never a problem. It's
> when you give them an option of using your first name that stupid
> mistakes happen. I had a driver's license come back with Jill J Marsh
> on it once, because I'd insisted that my name go down as "Jill".
What kind of signature do you use then? Do you sign "N J Marsh" or "N Jill
Marsh"?
>
> My passport has "Nora Jill Marsh" on it, rather than the default Nora
> J Marsh, because they couldn't cope with N Jill Marsh and I wasn't
> going to deal with another petty official insisting I wasn't who I was
> because the names don't match up properly.
And there, what do you sign? The full name as printed?
>
> >What I'm not sure I understand is why they gave you the first name when
it
> >was already very common in your house -- if they were going to call you
> >Jill, why not just give you the name "Jill Nora" instead of "Nora Jill"?
>
> "Jill Nora Marsh" scans horribly. I mean, that sounds like Sue-Betty,
> or Bob-Billy.
LOL!
Mirhanda Sarko
> Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
> Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
> but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
>
I beg you, don't call her by her middle name. It's a pain, and she'll
always be called by her first name in situations where she fills out a form
and it has First name, Middle initial, last name. It's a PAIN PAIN PAIN to
be called by your middle name. Never do it. Please!
Mirhanda
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news:9tuagj$5040p$1...@ID-57673.news.dfncis.de...
> I wrote previously that the history of the 21st century is going to read
> like a soap opera script. I wonder...to what extent *does* pop culture
> influence name choices these days? I can't help thinking there's more
than
> a few kids out there whose names were drawn from a seed planted in Mom and
> Dad's brains by an Aaron Spelling show.
As mentioned in another part of this thread, it's been the case at least
since the 1930's and the advent of movies as a mass audience medium, with
the corresponding rise in movie stars. I'd venture there are plenty of
sixtysomething women named Shirley or Judy, men named Clark... much the same
thing can be said about any successive generation and its media or sports
idols.
A perfect example of this is Willie Mays Aikens, who was a decent player for
a few years for the Kansas City Royals in the early 1980's. Aikens was born
Oct. 14, 1954, only a couple of weeks after his namesake made his famous
"Catch" in the World Series.
Michael
> I beg you, don't call her by her middle name. It's a pain, and she'll
> always be called by her first name in situations where she fills out a form
> and it has First name, Middle initial, last name. It's a PAIN PAIN PAIN to
> be called by your middle name. Never do it. Please!
>
> Mirhanda
>
> --
> Decapitate my addy to email me
>
> You live on the edge?
> Well, I fell off some time ago.
My wife's first name is Jeanne, middle neame Marie. Most folks call her
Jeanne Marie. I do.
Some people never got a grip on the double 'n' and call her "Genie".
That's the problem when you name a child with a foreign spelling. The
public wants to Americanize it.
Asterbark
>
>Previously on alt.fan.cecil-adams, Asterbark wrote:
>
>> Also, you can skip "Colleen" and just write "Girl" in the space for
>> the name.
>
>Does that mean my brother and his wife, who show Cardigan Welsh Corgis,
>should just enter the contests giving the breed as "dog"?
A birth certificate is not a dog show entry anyway, and hey look a' this:
Birth Certificate:
Name: Colleen Babledyfrick
Sex: Female (duh!)
Parents: Don and Nina Babledyfrick
DOB: Her birthday
Dog Show Entry:
Name: Bitch Babledyfrick
Breed: Cardigan Welsh Corgi
Sex: F
Entrant (owner/master/shower): D. Babledyfrick
Breeds or nationalities or ethnicities (of dogs or people) are different than
names (of dogs or people) are different than broad categories and common nouns
(like "dog" or "girl").
--
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"Just sing."
Bob Ward
wrote:
>
>
>Jim Stark wrote:
>>
>>
>> You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
>
>Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
>Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
>but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
My brother-in-law and his wife named their daughter Ruth, and for
eighteen years, she's been known to the family as "Ruthie" - I wonder
what she will prefer when she comes home for Christmas having
completed basic training in the Air Force?.
Dana Carpender
Many, many moons ago -- when I was 21 -- I spent three weeks in Chambana
(Champaign-Urbana, IL). I had a brief fling with a redneck-type I met
at a country western honky-tonk, and he introduced me to a few of his
family -- including his nephews, James Robert and William Joseph.
Called, of course, Jim Bob and Billy Joe. I found it sort of charmingly
true-to-type.
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Dana Carpender
Mirhanda Sarko wrote:
>
> Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote in alt.fan.cecil-adams:
>
> > Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
> > Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
> > but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
> >
>
> I beg you, don't call her by her middle name. It's a pain, and she'll
> always be called by her first name in situations where she fills out a form
> and it has First name, Middle initial, last name. It's a PAIN PAIN PAIN to
> be called by your middle name. Never do it. Please!
>
But it's already something of a family tradition. My niece is Kathryn
Halliday, known as Halli (short A), my cousin is Priscilla Antigone,
known as Tig. Haven't heard Tig complain; think she generally just
leaves the Priscilla off. Halli, being 7 months old (and so cute it's
enough to blind you!) hasn't really thought much about it yet.
Re my adorable niece -- she's getting teeth, and while the first two
bottom teeth came in normally -- ie, the middle ones have come in first
-- she's getting her upper canines before her incisors, making her Fang
Baby, aka Hallicula. Way too cute when she grins.
N Jill Marsh
<jsq...@home.com>wrote:
>"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote:
>> The current name trend has been going on for at least a hundred years.
>> These things happen - look at all the English Margarets and Elizabeths
>> of a certain age. I'm pretty hard on people who name their kids goofy
>> things, but I guess what I'd consider goofy is far off what you would.
>
>Hm...perhaps. What would you consider goofy?
I expect we'd agree on a lot of goofy names, but my goofy set would be
smaller than yours. Funny spelling just for the sake of funny
spelling bugs me a bit, for example. But using surnames bothers me
not a whit, I rather like it, as a matter of fact, even if it's not a
family name. After all, we have all those Grants and Lees out there
(and Fitzwilliammmmmmms). All those soap opera names, I look at them
exactly like a Judy or a Clark, I don't consider them goofy at all,
just trendy, and trendy is okay, being called "Dakota" does not cause
a six year old any trouble these days the way, say, "Bertha" would.
I prefer a name that's simple, and easy to spell, and can stretch both
frivolous and serious, and uncommon but not weird, but most names that
don't go into that category aren't goofy in my book.
There are almost no names that bother me just as they are, rather it's
when they are stuck together in odd ways, that kind of show me that
someone wasn't considering the future. For example, I had
acquaintances call their kid Candice, which is a nice enough name,
except their last name is, well, Cherry. (This is a made up example,
because of privacy, but I assure you, what they did was just as odd,
and in a very similar vein.)
So porn star names bug me, and I'll admit here to my own irrational
dislike in naming conventions. I'm not crazy about alliteration with
a litter of kids. The only "Delanie" I know is one whose mother loved
the name "Melanie", but she'd already started with the "D"s. That's a
goofy way to get a name, though it's a nice enough name, not
intrinsically goofy.
I like ethnic names, including all those trendy Celtic ones, very
well. When I was considering names for the Best Beloved, I wanted a
nice name that was unusual but not bizarre, given the trends and his
age group. He got that, and it's an old family name as well. I
suspect many people probably roll their eyes at it, because it does
sound just a little trendy (though there's no one else in his age
group with that name), but it's from a tradition on both sides of the
family. I suspect this makes me less quick to judge peeps who drag
out "Fitzwilliammmmmmmmm" as a name.
>Seems that the popularity of names was relatively slow to change up until
>the 1980s or so - then in the 90s, things got really out of control. It's,
>like, the Faux-Celtic Decade.
Using those examples, but what about names like Shirley or Dorothy?
Those are quite specific to an age group, I would suspect. Margaret
and Elizabeth are eternally popular because they are royal names.
Which does make me wonder why "Diana" never caught on.
>Let's be honest here, though...most of the common names of older generations
>weren't simply made up out of thin air. Despite their popularity
>twentymumble years ago, Jason and Jennifer are old (and in the case of mine,
>ancient) names.
And so are Siobhan and Sean and all the rest of the crazy Celtic ones.
They are not faux, made up on the spot names, and it wouldn't bother
me if they were. I wonder about Jennifer, I know Jenny's old, but not
sure about the fur. And I wonder if, say, Jenny Lind or Lily Langtry
ever had any influence on naming babies. Or, say, Shakespeare.
>> All those Hunters et al fit in nicely with their generation, as do the
>> Kaylas, as you do in yours. They are odd to you only because you're
>> not part of that generation. Naming a kid a family's last name is a
>> very old custom, not a trend.
>
>Agreed, more or less. Though, most of the folks I've encountered who've
>named their children such things (when I've been in a position to ask)
>didn't do it because of some family heritage thing. They did it because it
>was trendy.
Yes, but what's wrong with that? Do you have deep seated issues about
being one Jason in a crowd of them? ;-D How is Jason different from,
say Seamus?
>I wrote previously that the history of the 21st century is going to read
>like a soap opera script. I wonder...to what extent *does* pop culture
>influence name choices these days? I can't help thinking there's more than
>a few kids out there whose names were drawn from a seed planted in Mom and
>Dad's brains by an Aaron Spelling show.
As we've mentioned before, pop culture influence on naming goes back
long before we were born. I have no doubt that it's a huge influence
on people's choices, be it a soap opera star or a princess or a cool
vampire chick out of some weird crypto-lesbian novel. I just don't
think it's really news, or anything to roll one's eyes about.
nj"Camilla, was she the victim or the predator?"m
"Well it's been three kids in seven years,
Gordie works with Dad hauling cases of beer."
N Jill Marsh
<aye...@REMOVETHIScolgatealumni.org>wrote:
>What kind of signature do you use then? Do you sign "N J Marsh" or "N Jill
>Marsh"?
My official signature is "N Jill Marsh".
njm:
>> My passport has "Nora Jill Marsh" on it, rather than the default Nora
>> J Marsh, because they couldn't cope with N Jill Marsh and I wasn't
>> going to deal with another petty official insisting I wasn't who I was
>> because the names don't match up properly.
>
>And there, what do you sign? The full name as printed?
No, I signed "N Jill Marsh", because that's what's on all my other
documents, credit cards, etc. Peeps seem to be okay with that,
signatures can be anything, as long as they are consistent (1) it's
when you show them three pieces of ID that say, variously, N J Marsh,
Nora J Marsh and Jill Marsh on them that starts the whining. Stupid I
know, but when it's immigration officials, or police or bankers who
are doing the whining, it's best to keep things simple.
nj"njm"m
(1) e.g. I have several friends who are from China or Japan, and they
use their actual Chinese/Japanese signatures on their checks, etc.
It's not a problem, because the little squiggles are consistent, and
let's face it, how many people don't have legible signatures even when
they are using consistent languages.
N Jill Marsh
<jsq...@home.com>wrote:
>"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote:
>
>> I've tended to just give the letter "N" when asked for my first name,[...]
>
>Yeah, folks like you drove me nuts when I worked the phones at Ameritrade.
That Jason, was just gravy.
>> nj"the 'njm' signature is another story, and even more boring"m
>
>Hey, if it weren't for boring prattle, you'd be able to write the entire
>posting history of AFCA on the back of a matchbook.
Indeed. However, I think I've already used up my boring
prattle/personal anecdote ration in this thread. Apologies to all.
nj'and it really is very boring'm
Sean Houtman
>And what's wrong with the name Siobhan, anyway? I've always thought it
>was beautiful, although I was under the impression it was Irish.
>Prettiest girl in my Girl Scout troop was Siobhan Harlow.
The spelling looks a bit funky, but I think the sound of it is quite nice,
almost sexy.
Sean
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Briar Rose
> the name.
For some reason, we were all required to wear nametags
with false names on them at my Aussie former roommate's
bridal shower. One of the rellies called herself "Sheila."
We all called her "girly" all night.
:) Connie-Lynne
Briar Rose
> frivolous and serious, and uncommon but not weird, but most names that
> don't go into that category aren't goofy in my book.
> When I was considering names for the Best Beloved, I wanted a
> nice name that was unusual but not bizarre, given the trends and his
> age group.
Ditto. There were lots of silly suggestions when I picked
my daughter's name, but I settled with "Genevieve," because
it was a fine name for a grown-up, but could be shortened
to "Jenny" or "Ginnie" until she could wear the full thing.
Kind of like "Constance."
:) Connie-Lynne
Briar Rose
> eighteen years, she's been known to the family as "Ruthie" - I wonder
> what she will prefer when she comes home for Christmas having
> completed basic training in the Air Force?.
My Uncle Butch had that nickname until he insisted, at
age 40 or so, that he be called by his given name. The
family still hasn't quite caught the habit (it's been 15 or
more years) and younger cousins can still occasionally
be heard to ask plaintively, "who's Uncle Butch," at which
point Uncle Paul is pointed out.
He's bad, though. Nicknamed his son "Bucky."
:) Connie-Lynne
Greg Goss
>I mean, let's say you have a daughter, and name her Kaylee. Now, it's not
>the worst name out there, and it's cute enough when she's 4, but the child
>has to grow up someday, and I'm not sure that I'd be able to take, say, a
>neurosurgeon seriously if she were named Kaylee.
She'd just use "Kay" most of the time.
"If you see Kay, tell her I need her..."
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> As mentioned in another part of this thread, it's been the case at least
> since the 1930's and the advent of movies as a mass audience medium, with
> the corresponding rise in movie stars. I'd venture there are plenty of
> sixtysomething women named Shirley or Judy, men named Clark... much the same
> thing can be said about any successive generation and its media or sports
> idols.
> A perfect example of this is Willie Mays Aikens, who was a decent player for
> a few years for the Kansas City Royals in the early 1980's. Aikens was born
> Oct. 14, 1954, only a couple of weeks after his namesake made his famous
> "Catch" in the World Series.
The Papaers must be monitoring the group as there's an article on this
very subject in this morinings Star Ledger
<http://www.nj.com/entertainment/ledger/index.ssf?/life/ledger/15208a2.html>
"Believe it or not, the names of the future include Trenton (181 for a
boy) and Camden, which, at 163 for a boy, is even more popular than the
girl's name of Brooklyn (178). All three monikers have been climbing the
list for the past few years.
But in a world where Destiny (24) and Trinity (73) are in the top 100, is
any name surprising anymore? "
They also mentioned that "Keanu" is climbing in popularity, though why
anyone would want to name thier child after the little wooden boy is
beyond me.
John
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ra...@westnet.poe.com
> Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote in alt.fan.cecil-adams:
>> Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
>> Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
>> but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
> I beg you, don't call her by her middle name. It's a pain, and she'll
> always be called by her first name in situations where she fills out a form
> and it has First name, Middle initial, last name. It's a PAIN PAIN PAIN to
> be called by your middle name. Never do it. Please!
OK, cough it up: What's your middle name?
Lesmond
>
>(1) e.g. I have several friends who are from China or Japan, and they
>use their actual Chinese/Japanese signatures on their checks, etc.
>It's not a problem, because the little squiggles are consistent, and
>let's face it, how many people don't have legible signatures even when
>they are using consistent languages.
My ex-boss had a perfectly incomprehensible signature...mostly a squiggle
that was supposed to be an M and a straight line. He would frequently be out
of the office on payday. I would write and sign my own paychecks. They were
never questioned by the bank.
And he still pays my BJ's and Sam's Club memberships...it has been 5 years
since I've worked for him. And it is not an oversight. He is a good man.
_
Unmitigated seriousness is always out of place in human affairs.
Lesmond
>Amy Austin glea...@purdue.edu wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>
>>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Dana Carpender wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Stark wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You know, Janey is a nice name, too.
>>>
>>> Indeed it is, and if I have a daughter someday I may well name her
>>> Phillippa Jane, and call her Janey. (I could call her Jane Phillippa,
>>> but let's face it, Phillippa Jane scans better.)
>>
>>Phillippa as in "fill-LEAP-puh" or "fill-LIP-puh"? That's unusual, is it
>>a family name or is there a story, or do you just like it?
>>
>>L & k,
>>Amy (my jury's out until you tell me how you're going to pronounce it! :)
>>)
>
>
>I think it's FILL'-e-pah'
>
>Phillip, uh...
>
>
>More like NIC-o-la is to NICH-o-las, and less like Ni-COLE-ah.
You know those Ricola cough drop commercials...where the guys on the hillside
are yelling RI-co-laaa! That's how we've been calling little Nicholas around
here...
Tank
>So porn star names bug me, and I'll admit here to my own irrational
>dislike in naming conventions.
In Columbus, on WBNS-TV, the weekend anchors are
Tino Ramos and Brandi Sauers.
I call them the "Eyewitness Porn Team".
--
Tank
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