Donald Duck orange juice
Tom Nawrocki
(six-ounce?) cans with silver pull-off strips on the top. I could never figure
out why it was so bitter; the label said it was unsweetened, but I've had
fresh-squeezed orange juice without any sweetening added many times, and it was
never as foul as Donald Duck.
So how did they get it to taste so bad? And why did they get it to taste so
bad?
And who bought the stuff? Was it sold exclusively to bankrupt school districts
to give to poor kids at lunchtime?
Tom Nawrocki
BobKinDC
>So how did they get it to taste so bad? And why did they get it to taste so
>bad?
It tastes like that because it's in tin cans. Any orange or grapefruit juice
in a can tastes exactly that bad. Try some Tropicana out of a tin can and see
if it tastes any better to you (Tastes exactly the same to me). The acidity
reacts badly to the metal (I love using clinical scientific terms).
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Tom Nawrocki <nawr...@aol.com.not> wrote in message
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> Donald Duck orange juice was that horrible-tasting juice that came in tiny
> (six-ounce?) cans with silver pull-off strips on the top. I could never
figure
> out why it was so bitter; the label said it was unsweetened, but I've had
> fresh-squeezed orange juice without any sweetening added many times, and
it was
> never as foul as Donald Duck.
>
> So how did they get it to taste so bad? And why did they get it to taste
so
> bad?
Donald Duck Orange Juice -- Now with the juice of real ducks!
jb
Tim Robinson
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> Donald Duck orange juice was that horrible-tasting juice that came in tiny
> (six-ounce?) cans with silver pull-off strips on the top. I could never figure
> out why it was so bitter; the label said it was unsweetened, but I've had
> fresh-squeezed orange juice without any sweetening added many times, and it was
> never as foul as Donald Duck.
>
> So how did they get it to taste so bad? And why did they get it to taste so
> bad?
>
> to give to poor kids at lunchtime?
Good grief... such memories. I remember my sister begging for "Duckie
Juice." Yeah, it was pretty sour stuff. Why disney ever gave license to
that is beyond me as well.
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Hank Gillette
bobk...@aol.comspamblok (BobKinDC) wrote:
>It tastes like that because it's in tin cans. Any orange or grapefruit juice
>in a can tastes exactly that bad. Try some Tropicana out of a tin can and see
>if it tastes any better to you (Tastes exactly the same to me). The acidity
>reacts badly to the metal (I love using clinical scientific terms).
Tin is nonreactive, isn't it? I think it tastes that way because it has to
be heated to sterilize it before canning.
--
Hank Gillette
GrapeApe
the answer to this question which had mystified me since kindergarten, came to
me the other night while drinking some particularly bitter Lemonade made from
store brand frozen concentrate.
I always thought they were spiking it with grapefruit juice myself, but I think
the answer is the matter in which it is juiced -PEEL and all. It is the peel
that adds the bitterness, to a stock of oranges that may not be tip top to
begin with, as the non duck brands get the premium oranges.
Lots cheaper just to crush and grind entire batches of oranges. The peel makes
it bitter.
rob...@bestweb.net
>Donald Duck Orange Juice -- Now with the juice of real ducks!
Duck a l'orange.
But as to the other poster's remark as to why orange a la duck tastes so
bad: I too had canned whole orange juice recently -- another brand, but
really awful. However, it was "canned" in boxes. So it can't be the metal
that's at fault. I think autoclaving orange juice kills its taste worse
than mere pasteurizing; plus I think they use inferior oranges for those
brands.
Robert in the Bronx
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Sean Houtman
>Tin is nonreactive, isn't it? I think it tastes that way because it has to
>be heated to sterilize it before canning.
Tin is actually only relatively nonreactive, although I don't have a CRC
handbook. It used to be used because it was the best thing they had. It is
apparently no longer used because of the price and better alternatives such as
plastic coatings.
Sean
Hank Gillette
wrote:
>But as to the other poster's remark as to why orange a la duck tastes so
>bad: I too had canned whole orange juice recently -- another brand, but
>really awful. However, it was "canned" in boxes. So it can't be the metal
>that's at fault. I think autoclaving orange juice kills its taste worse
>than mere pasteurizing; plus I think they use inferior oranges for those
>brands.
I've had Donald Duck brand frozen concentrated orange juice. I don't
remember it tasting any worse that other brands of concentrate.
The Donald Duck brand has been around for a long time; when I was a kid my
uncle worked in one of their plants. I can't imagine the Disney of today
licensing one of their names to a food company. The Donald Duck people
must have gotten a long term contract.
--
Hank Gillette
Rich Clancey
+ the answer is the matter in which it is juiced -PEEL and all. It is the peel
+ that adds the bitterness, to a stock of oranges that may not be tip top to
+ begin with, as the non duck brands get the premium oranges.
+ Lots cheaper just to crush and grind entire batches of oranges. The peel makes
+ it bitter.
I think the quality of the oranges is what it's all about.
Bruised, blighted, dwarfed, or otherwise unappealing looking fruit
which could never be sold as individual pieces variously is assigned
to canning or juicing, or the jelly factory. I imagine that there
is a bottom of the barrel class of oranges which nobody wants for
anything, and it's probably real cheap. I suspect that any time a
frost wipes out an orchard, there are a lot of bitter green oranges
which will never ripen. It wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising
cigar chomping capitalist was unloading them cheap to some Juicer with
the Disney License.
I never enjoyed the product myself, but I wonder if the deal
was struck around the same time the Disney Doods were shopping for
large amounts of Florida Real Estate...
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Lalbert1
>I think the quality of the oranges is what it's all about.
>Bruised, blighted, dwarfed, or otherwise unappealing looking fruit
>which could never be sold as individual pieces variously is assigned
>to canning or juicing, or the jelly factory. I imagine that there
>is a bottom of the barrel class of oranges which nobody wants for
>anything, and it's probably real cheap. I suspect that any time a
>frost wipes out an orchard, there are a lot of bitter green oranges
>which will never ripen. It wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising
>cigar chomping capitalist was unloading them cheap to some Juicer with
>the Disney License.
You may be right about frost damaged oranges, but D.Duck juice was
*consistently* funny tasting for years, and there weren't that many frosts to
account for that. I really think it was either in the processing, or else they
were dealing with a particular growers crop, year after year.
>
> I never enjoyed the product myself, but I wonder if the deal
>was struck around the same time the Disney Doods were shopping for
>large amounts of Florida Real Estate...
The juice was around long before the Disneys were thinking about Florida.
Les
Opus the Penguin
>You may be right about frost damaged oranges, but D.Duck juice was
>*consistently* funny tasting for years, and there weren't that many frosts
>to account for that. I really think it was either in the processing, or else
>they were dealing with a particular growers crop, year after year.
How many years are we talking here? I ask because my college roommates and I
LOVED Donald Duck Orange Juice back in nineteen ought eighty-six. I remember
buying it again in '90 or '92 on the strength of that memory and being
bitterly disappointed (literally).
--
Opus the Penguin
GrapeApe
> I never enjoyed the product myself, but I wonder if the deal
>was struck around the same time the Disney Doods were shopping for
>large amounts of Florida Real Estate...
I think Donalds Juice has been around since their Anaheim orchard buyout days,
if not longer.
Keith Rickert
> GrapeApe (grap...@aol.comjunk) wrote:
>
> I think the quality of the oranges is what it's all about.
> Bruised, blighted, dwarfed, or otherwise unappealing looking fruit
> which could never be sold as individual pieces variously is assigned
> to canning or juicing, or the jelly factory. I imagine that there
> is a bottom of the barrel class of oranges which nobody wants for
> anything, and it's probably real cheap. I suspect that any time a
> frost wipes out an orchard, there are a lot of bitter green oranges
> which will never ripen. It wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising
> cigar chomping capitalist was unloading them cheap to some Juicer with
> the Disney License.
Well...there are a lot of good orange juices out there on
the market.
Juice oranges are varieties which have a thin skin, and don't travel well
to give a nice appearance the way navels do. Although not as visually
appealling, they taste fine. To me, usually better than navels.
That being said, some brands may buy cheaper juice oranges than others.
Keith
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Lalbert1
<opusthe...@micronet.net> writes:
I can remember Donald Duck juice back in the sixties, and although I may be
fabricating a memory I think I can remember it in the fifties. To me it always
tasted different than, and not as good as, the other orange juices. Your
description of it being bitter is what I remember. You may have liked it in
college (a lot of people probably liked it or it wouldn't have lasted so long),
but your taste for tastes may have changed.
Les
rob...@bestweb.net
>The juice was around long before the Disneys were thinking about
>Florida.
You sure about that? As I understand it, Disney started buying land in Fla.
decades before Walt Disney World was built. In fact, I think even as
Disneyland was being completed, the Florida project was beginning, secretly.
I think some land was acquired in southern Fla. too, but later unloaded.
Walt took the lid off in the early 1960s IIRC.
Robert
rob...@bestweb.net
>I think Donalds Juice has been around since their Anaheim orchard
>buyout days, if not longer.
Which reminds me -- anyone know how to research the history of particular
trademarks, especially those that've been controlled by various entries over
time and in different countries?
While trying to find a licensee for my patent --
http://www.bestweb.net/~robgood/lather.html -- I became aware that Matey was
in current use as a trademark for bubble bath in the UK, now in the hands of
Sara Lee PLC, IIRC. (Yes, the bakery concern.) I wondered whether there
was continuity between that and the Matey bath products which were sold in
the USA from 1960 until apparently just a few years later, by North Woods
Coffee Co. A friend who's an intellectual property lawyer says it's not
trivial to research such lineage.
Matey (USA, 1960) seems to have been the first of the mass market children's
bubble baths of the type of which only Mr. Bubble AFAIK survives as a brand
-- unless Matey (UK) is its continuation. Most were originally boxes of
powders, usually unscented, sold in supermarkets and promoted for "family"
use, which mostly meant children's and cheap, and claiming efficacy as a
substitute for bath soap. Their formulas were similar to those of laundry
detergent, but minus corrosion inhibitors (pretty useless outside of washing
machines) and some other laundry additives, and powdered more finely. The
sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate or other alkylbenzene sulfonate it contained
was relatively irritating to skin compared to other foaming agents.
Continuity of business names can sometimes involve interesting gyrations.
Kip Allen and someone else formerly of Simulations Publications Inc. started
their own short-live wargames publishing co. by buying a corporate shell in
Brooklyn called Control Box because of its military meaning. However, that
business had made control boxes.
mlo...@civetsystems.com
> >A friend who's an intellectual property lawyer says it's not
> >trivial to research such lineage.
>
> How easy is it to find the majority stockholders in any corporation? What is
> the threshold between what the SEC makes a corporation admit owning, or that a
> corporation will put in their annual reports, and what particular business
> investments they can legally say "none of your beeswax" or hide via a labyrinth
> of dummy corporations?
In its annual report, a corporation must list all the shareholders who
own more than (IIRC) 1%. Whenever a single organization owns or
controls more than 5% of a corporation, it must notify the SEC with a
(again, IIRC) 13-K form. Both documents can be downloaded from Edgar.
M.
GrapeApe
>trivial to research such lineage.
How easy is it to find the majority stockholders in any corporation? What is
the threshold between what the SEC makes a corporation admit owning, or that a
corporation will put in their annual reports, and what particular business
investments they can legally say "none of your beeswax" or hide via a labyrinth
of dummy corporations?
It would be nice if there was some sort of web search engine for such matters.
perhaps Lexus or Nexus can pull up something rather revealing quite easily.
Nick Spalding
> While trying to find a licensee for my patent --
> http://www.bestweb.net/~robgood/lather.html -- I became aware that Matey was
> in current use as a trademark for bubble bath in the UK, now in the hands of
> Sara Lee PLC, IIRC. (Yes, the bakery concern.) I wondered whether there
> was continuity between that and the Matey bath products which were sold in
> the USA from 1960 until apparently just a few years later, by North Woods
> Coffee Co. A friend who's an intellectual property lawyer says it's not
> trivial to research such lineage.
>
> Matey (USA, 1960) seems to have been the first of the mass market children's
> bubble baths of the type of which only Mr. Bubble AFAIK survives as a brand
> -- unless Matey (UK) is its continuation. Most were originally boxes of
> powders, usually unscented, sold in supermarkets and promoted for "family"
> use, which mostly meant children's and cheap, and claiming efficacy as a
> substitute for bath soap. Their formulas were similar to those of laundry
> detergent, but minus corrosion inhibitors (pretty useless outside of washing
> machines) and some other laundry additives, and powdered more finely. The
> sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate or other alkylbenzene sulfonate it contained
> was relatively irritating to skin compared to other foaming agents.
Matey as a children's bubble bath was around in the UK in the '60s
so there is a strong probability that it was (and is) the same
product that was available in the US at the same period.
--
Nick Spalding
GrapeApe
>
>> >A friend who's an intellectual property lawyer says it's not
>> >trivial to research such lineage.
>>
>is
>> the threshold between what the SEC makes a corporation admit owning, or
>that a
>> corporation will put in their annual reports, and what particular business
>> investments they can legally say "none of your beeswax" or hide via a
>labyrinth
>> of dummy corporations?
>
>own more than (IIRC) 1%. Whenever a single organization owns or
>controls more than 5% of a corporation, it must notify the SEC with a
>(again, IIRC) 13-K form. Both documents can be downloaded from Edgar.
>
Is any of this info available via online database?
mlo...@civetsystems.com
> > Both documents can be downloaded from Edgar.
> >
>
> Is any of this info available via online database?
You mean, besides an online database besides Edgar? There are *many*
massaged versions of Edgar out there, but I go to the horse's mouth:
http://www.sec.gov/edaux/searches.htm
See also:
M.