What happened to Ally McBeal?
Opus the Penguin
but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
not the US?
For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in general?
Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public, Chicago Hope,
Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but didn't create).
To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
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E.I
"Opus the Penguin" <opusthepen...@gmail.com> ...
> What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
> but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
> show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
> not the US?
>
> For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in general?
> Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public, Chicago Hope,
> Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but didn't create).
>
> To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
Wasn't the show pulled for 'terminal stupidity' ?
I know that the last few show I saw displayed an increased need
for a sugar daddy hich always seems toelude her for reasons that
the poor psychotic girl (yes, not yet a matured woman) could never
fathom out the WHY? and the WHEREFOR?
Scott P
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
>but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
>show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
>not the US?
>
>For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in general?
>Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public, Chicago Hope,
>Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but didn't create).
>
>To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
The show had a really good first few seasons and then self-destructed
from its own excess. There was a best of DVD that came out before
season sets really took off. Maybe the poor sales of that made them
gun shy.
Scott
Mark Steese
news:Xns96CF8CB89AABCop...@127.0.0.1:
> What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
> but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
> show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
> not the US?
>
> For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in general?
> Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public, Chicago Hope,
> Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but didn't create).
>
> To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
I just checked Amazon, and it shows a DVD set for Season 1 of Ally McBeal
available for $29.99: see http://tinyurl.com/96swr.
--
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===========
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early, and everything went like snow in the sun.
Out of their office windows. There was miasma,
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Mark Steese
news:Xns96CF9DFF...@69.28.186.121:
> Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns96CF8CB89AABCop...@127.0.0.1:
>
>> What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
>> but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of
>> the show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player)
>> but not the US?
>>
>> For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in
>> general? Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public,
>> Chicago Hope, Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but
>> didn't create).
>>
>> To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
>
> I just checked Amazon, and it shows a DVD set for Season 1 of Ally
> McBeal available for $29.99: see http://tinyurl.com/96swr.
Oops! Just double-checked that listing and discovered that the set only has
six episodes, not the full first season. Dang, that's cheesy.
Opus the Penguin
>
> "Opus the Penguin" <opusthepen...@gmail.com> ...
>> What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular
>> show, but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get
>> DVDs of the show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region
>> for my player) but not the US?
>>
>> For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in
>> general? Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public,
>> Chicago Hope, Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but
>> didn't create).
>>
>> To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
>
>
> Wasn't the show pulled for 'terminal stupidity' ?
I assume so. We stopped watching after the Robert Downey Jr.
character left. Kelly had upped the stakes with that story line. Ally
was starting to mature. There was no way to ratchet things down after
that and I resented Kelly for trying.
> I know that the last few show I saw displayed an increased need
> for a sugar daddy hich always seems toelude her for reasons that
> the poor psychotic girl (yes, not yet a matured woman) could never
> fathom out the WHY? and the WHEREFOR?
The show had lost its way and spent its arc by then. It would have
been nice to see a series finale that actually revealed Ally as a
mental patient. That would've explained everything quite nicely.
Mike Williams
>Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:Xns96CF8CB89AABCop...@127.0.0.1:
>
>> What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
>> but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
>> show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
>> not the US?
>>
>> For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in general?
>> Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public, Chicago Hope,
>> Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but didn't create).
>>
>> To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
>
>I just checked Amazon, and it shows a DVD set for Season 1 of Ally McBeal
>available for $29.99: see http://tinyurl.com/96swr.
But in the UK and Germany, seasons 1-5 are available as boxed sets, and
the complete collection comes out at the end of October. In the US and
Canada there's only that one set. It's the same distributor, 20th
Century Fox Home Entertainment. Perhaps nobody in America bought that
season 1 set, so they didn't bother releasing any more.
--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure
Paul Ciszek
In article <p0npiIAF...@econym.demon.co.uk>,
Mike Williams <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>But in the UK and Germany, seasons 1-5 are available as boxed sets, and
>the complete collection comes out at the end of October. In the US and
>Canada there's only that one set. It's the same distributor, 20th
>Century Fox Home Entertainment. Perhaps nobody in America bought that
>season 1 set, so they didn't bother releasing any more.
Suppose I buy myself a DVD player that will allow me to change the
region, or ignore region encoding altogether. If I hook this player
up to my American (i.e., NTSC) TV, and pop a UK or German DVD in
the player, will the picture show properly? Or does the NTSC/PAL
divide somehow carry over to digital media?
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D.F. Manno
Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
> but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
> show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
> not the US?
It might have something to do with the music. I was an infrequent viewer of the
show, but my impression is that it used a lot of popular songs. Perhaps the
producers didn't secure the rights to use the music on DVDs.
--
D.F. Manno | dfm2a...@spymac.com
The worst government is the most moral. One composed of cynics is often
very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit
to oppression.--H.L. Mencken, "Minority Report" (1956)
Mark Steese
news:p0npiIAF...@econym.demon.co.uk:
Note my follow-up post -- turns out the U.S. DVD set isn't even the
complete Season 1, it's just six episodes. And the list price is $39.98!
If I were a fan of the show, I'd be a mite disgruntled with the suits at
Fox. (As it is, I'm reserving my disgruntlement for MTV's refusal to
issue a boxed set of "Daria" DVDs.)
E.I
"Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> ...
>
> Mike Williams <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>But in the UK and Germany, seasons 1-5 are available as boxed sets, and
>>the complete collection comes out at the end of October. In the US and
>>Canada there's only that one set. It's the same distributor, 20th
>>Century Fox Home Entertainment. Perhaps nobody in America bought that
>>season 1 set, so they didn't bother releasing any more.
>
> Suppose I buy myself a DVD player that will allow me to change the
> region, or ignore region encoding altogether. If I hook this player
> up to my American (i.e., NTSC) TV, and pop a UK or German DVD in
> the player, will the picture show properly? Or does the NTSC/PAL
> divide somehow carry over to digital media?
Now why would anyone want to waste so much money ?
Anyway, if your DVD player interpreted the signal fom the DVD correctly,
the only concern ought to be the comaptibility between the DVD player and
the TV. If OK, you cxan watch all 2,431 episodes of Ally McBile ...
Sleep well.
Mike Williams
>
>In article <p0npiIAF...@econym.demon.co.uk>,
>Mike Williams <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>But in the UK and Germany, seasons 1-5 are available as boxed sets, and
>>the complete collection comes out at the end of October. In the US and
>>Canada there's only that one set. It's the same distributor, 20th
>>Century Fox Home Entertainment. Perhaps nobody in America bought that
>>season 1 set, so they didn't bother releasing any more.
>
>Suppose I buy myself a DVD player that will allow me to change the
>region, or ignore region encoding altogether. If I hook this player
>up to my American (i.e., NTSC) TV, and pop a UK or German DVD in
>the player, will the picture show properly? Or does the NTSC/PAL
>divide somehow carry over to digital media?
The UK/German DVDs are PAL encoded, so you'd need a dual-format TV. (I
think, but am not completely certain, that the DVD player itself doesn't
care about the format - it just squirts the data at the TV). If your TV
set can't handle a signal that's got 625 lines at 50 fps, it won't show
anything sensible.
Many modern TV sets in the UK can cope with NTSC and PAL, but I don't
know if they'd be able to cope with running on American electricity.
incandescent blue
>
> Suppose I buy myself a DVD player that will allow me to change the
> region, or ignore region encoding altogether. If I hook this player
> up to my American (i.e., NTSC) TV, and pop a UK or German DVD in
> the player, will the picture show properly? Or does the NTSC/PAL
> divide somehow carry over to digital media?
Yes. You'll either need a dual-mode TV, or else a DVD player that
can convert PAL/NTSC as needed. Fortunately, some of the cheapie/
hackable players that'll let you defeat region-coding will also do
the necessary conversion: you just need to do a bit of research
before you buy.
--
"Don't you want a name for yourself someday? You probably walk down the
street and people say, "Hey! There's the guy with the big BOBA FETT
signature." Not that I dislike BOBA FETT, but I don't go around wearing a
six-foot tall inflatable BOBA FETT hat strapped to my head."
K_S_ONeill
D.F. Manno wrote:
> In article <Xns96CF8CB89AABCop...@127.0.0.1>,
> Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
> > but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
> > show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
> > not the US?
>
> It might have something to do with the music. I was an infrequent viewer of the
> show, but my impression is that it used a lot of popular songs. Perhaps the
> producers didn't secure the rights to use the music on DVDs.
That's what Wikipedia says, it was a music rights issues.
I think the Apex DVD player I got my dad on ebay will play UK DVDs. It
was only $150 or so, and it ignores copy protection and region coding.
--
Kevin
K_S_ONeill
E.I wrote:
> "Opus the Penguin" <opusthepen...@gmail.com> ...
> > What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
> > but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
> > show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
> > not the US?
> >
> > For that matter, what's up with David E. Kelly shows on DVD in general?
> > Looks like you can't get The Practice, Boston Public, Chicago Hope,
> > Picket Fences, or L.A. Law (which he wrote for but didn't create).
> >
> > To taunt me, Doogie Howser M.D. *is* available on DVD.
>
>
> Wasn't the show pulled for 'terminal stupidity' ?
It ran its course. I thought it was pretty funny and clever, the early
seasons in particular.
> I know that the last few show I saw displayed an increased need
> for a sugar daddy hich always seems toelude her for reasons that
> the poor psychotic girl (yes, not yet a matured woman) could never
> fathom out the WHY? and the WHEREFOR?
Yes well, you're French, aren't you? You people think Jerry Lewis is
funny, and we don't make fun of you for that, do we? Ok, we do, but
still.
--
Kevin
E.I
"K_S_ONeill" <K_S_O...@yahoo.com> ...
>
> E.I wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't the show pulled for 'terminal stupidity' ?
>
> It ran its course. I thought it was pretty funny and clever, the early
> seasons in particular.
>
>> I know that the last few show I saw displayed an increased need
>> for a sugar daddy hich always seems toelude her for reasons that
>> the poor psychotic girl (yes, not yet a matured woman) could never
>> fathom out the WHY? and the WHEREFOR?
>
> Yes well, you're French, aren't you? You people think Jerry Lewis is
> funny, and we don't make fun of you for that, do we? Ok, we do, but
> still.
"Us people" have already declared in here being scouse ... I just get around
...
I think Jerry Lewis is funny, yes ... you don't ?
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> In article <Xns96CF8CB89AABCop...@127.0.0.1>,
> Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
> > but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
> > show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
> > not the US?
> It might have something to do with the music. I was an infrequent viewer of the
> show, but my impression is that it used a lot of popular songs. Perhaps the
> producers didn't secure the rights to use the music on DVDs.
Makes sense: that's what killed WKRP for syndication.
Another reason why copyright law is out of controll and needs to be
massively reworked or scrapped all together.
John
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Glenn Dowdy
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>
> Another reason why copyright law is out of controll and needs to be
> massively reworked or scrapped all together.
>
Elaborate, please.
Glenn D.
Chip C
K_S_ONeill wrote:
> D.F. Manno wrote:
> > In article <Xns96CF8CB89AABCop...@127.0.0.1>,
> > Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
> > > but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
> > > show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
> > > not the US?
> >
> > It might have something to do with the music. I was an infrequent viewer of the
> > show, but my impression is that it used a lot of popular songs. Perhaps the
> > producers didn't secure the rights to use the music on DVDs.
>
> That's what Wikipedia says, it was a music rights issues.
There's a web site somewhere that shows user-submitted notes comparing
the diffs between dvds as released in different markets, notably music
but also additional features. Sorry, I've lost the url and a bit of
googling doesn't turn it up. The case in point for me was the BBC
Series "the Young Ones", which had a live performance in most episodes.
For some of the live acts and for some of the background music, the UK
and/or US rights couldn't be had (or afforded, I presume) for DVD. The
live acts were cut, and background music cut or replaced, differently
for the two markets.
I believe most PC DVD players allow the region to be set, maybe once or
twice only in the life of the unit, but still it can be done and
they're very cheap. And I'm pretty sure DVD playing software is
encoding-agnostic, or for sure PAL playing software would happily run
on a US PC. So that might be a workable path for something like this.
But, do the German Allys come with the series' original music? Or has
some of it been cut?
Chip C
Toronto
K_S_ONeill
I'm not sure what that means.
> ...
>
> I think Jerry Lewis is funny, yes ... you don't ?
No. No no. No no no. No. He creeps me out, always did, way back to
my youthful interlude as a young person. He's obnoxious and greasy, he
and Bob Hope, they both struck me as sort of oily small time sheep
molestors or something. It would have been funny if they'd made a
movie where they were adored as movie idols but were actually molesting
sheep on the weekend, but they never did. Pity.
--
Kevin
so, no.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
The constitution provides that congress may pass laws securing copyright
with this clause: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by
securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to
their respective writings and discoveries;" (Art I Sec 8).
However, as we've seen, time is no longer being limited, it's been
extended arbitrarily long, (the benchmark seems to be whatever it takes to
keep _Steamboat Willie_ out of the public domain) and that it's been over
expanded to the point where it is more accurate to say that it's hindering
the arts (for example, _Eyes on The Prize_ a documentry on the civil
rights struggle is ilegal to show).
A far more reasonable thing would be to treat copyright like patents: 14
years with an option to renew for another 14 years. 28 years tops. So
that anything from 1976 or earlier would be in the public domain and free
for expansion and inclusion in derivative works in whole or in part.
But it's not likely to go that way anytime soon. At this point, I'd say
that we';d be better off chucking the baby out with the bathwater and
doing away with copyright alltogether.
See the critiques section of this wiki article for more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
E.I
"K_S_ONeill" <K_S_O...@yahoo.com> ...
>
> E.I wrote:
>> "K_S_ONeill" <K_S_O...@yahoo.com> ...
>> >
>> > E.I wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Wasn't the show pulled for 'terminal stupidity' ?
>> >
>> > It ran its course. I thought it was pretty funny and clever, the early
>> > seasons in particular.
>> >
>> >> I know that the last few show I saw displayed an increased need
>> >> for a sugar daddy hich always seems toelude her for reasons that
>> >> the poor psychotic girl (yes, not yet a matured woman) could never
>> >> fathom out the WHY? and the WHEREFOR?
>> >
>> > Yes well, you're French, aren't you? You people think Jerry Lewis is
>> > funny, and we don't make fun of you for that, do we? Ok, we do, but
>> > still.
>>
>>
>> "Us people" have already declared in here being scouse ... I just get
>> around
>
> I'm not sure what that means.
GIYF ... define:scouser
>> I think Jerry Lewis is funny, yes ... you don't ?
>
> No. No no. No no no. No. He creeps me out, always did, way back to
> my youthful interlude as a young person. He's obnoxious and greasy, he
> and Bob Hope, they both struck me as sort of oily small time sheep
> molestors or something. It would have been funny if they'd made a
> movie where they were adored as movie idols but were actually molesting
> sheep on the weekend, but they never did. Pity.
I fully support your right to be wrong from time to time ;))
<g>
Chip C
ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:
> Glenn Dowdy <glenn.n...@hp.nospam.com> wrote:
> > <ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote in message
> > news:gMBVe.1017$wR4.1...@monger.newsread.com...
>
> > > Another reason why copyright law is out of controll and needs to be
> > > massively reworked or scrapped all together.
> > >
> > Elaborate, please.
>
> The constitution provides that congress may pass laws securing copyright
> with this clause: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by
> securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to
> their respective writings and discoveries;" (Art I Sec 8).
>
> However, as we've seen, time is no longer being limited, it's been
> extended arbitrarily long, (the benchmark seems to be whatever it takes to
> keep _Steamboat Willie_ out of the public domain) and that it's been over
> expanded to the point where it is more accurate to say that it's hindering
> the arts (for example, _Eyes on The Prize_ a documentry on the civil
> rights struggle is ilegal to show).
>
> A far more reasonable thing would be to treat copyright like patents: 14
> years with an option to renew for another 14 years. 28 years tops. So
> that anything from 1976 or earlier would be in the public domain and free
> for expansion and inclusion in derivative works in whole or in part.
>
> But it's not likely to go that way anytime soon. At this point, I'd say
> that we';d be better off chucking the baby out with the bathwater and
> doing away with copyright alltogether.
Not to justify the many faults of the current system, or to say that
you haven't raised great poings, but the question is whether the sorry
lack of Ally McBeal DVDs is a reason to scrap the copyright system. In
the context of that discussion, artists have the right to tell Fox,
"I'll license you my song for playing on-air, but I can't let you have
DVD rights because I've already exclusively sold them to Sony." And
Sony has the right to tell Fox, "we don't want to license you the
rights to put that song on DVD", or more likely "we'll do it, but it'll
cost you more than you wish to pay".
Sure, we all wish everything was free and all, but in a world where
people actually want to be able to make a living from music, this is
probably not a bad compromise.
Chip C
Toronto
mike...@unverbesserlich.org
Paul Ciszek wrote:
> In article <p0npiIAF...@econym.demon.co.uk>,
> Mike Williams <nos...@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Suppose I buy myself a DVD player that will allow me to change the
> region, or ignore region encoding altogether. If I hook this player
> up to my American (i.e., NTSC) TV, and pop a UK or German DVD in
> the player, will the picture show properly? Or does the NTSC/PAL
> divide somehow carry over to digital media?
Hmmm. I have a multisystem TV (PAL, NTSC, SECAM) and a multisystem DVD
player. Unfortunately, the DVD player is hardcoded for Region 1. If I
use DVD Shrink to rip out the region code, I can play PAL just fine -
but I don't think it would play well on an NTSC box.
On the other hand, I've taken to watching my UK Sharpe's Rifles DVD's
on my PC and have no problem.
Mike
ra...@westnet.poe.com
> ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:
> > Glenn Dowdy <glenn.n...@hp.nospam.com> wrote:
> > > <ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote in message
> > > news:gMBVe.1017$wR4.1...@monger.newsread.com...
> >
> > > > Another reason why copyright law is out of controll and needs to be
> > > > massively reworked or scrapped all together.
> > But it's not likely to go that way anytime soon. At this point, I'd say
> > that we';d be better off chucking the baby out with the bathwater and
> > doing away with copyright alltogether.
> Not to justify the many faults of the current system, or to say that
> you haven't raised great poings, but the question is whether the sorry
> lack of Ally McBeal DVDs is a reason to scrap the copyright system.
"Another" reason. Yes, I could live without Alley McBeal on DVD in it's
original format if that were the only side effect of an otherwise good
law... Alas, depend on how one likes/hate Alley McBeal, it's probably
more accurate to say that it's a good side effect of an otherwise shitty
law. :)
<snip>
> Sure, we all wish everything was free and all,
As a holder of IP, I certanly don't want it abolished if it can be made
reasonable.
> but in a world where people actually want to be able to make a living
> from music, this [limited licensing] is probably not a bad compromise.
Point taken. It wouldn't really address the AMcB issue except perhaps as
the producers would have chosen public domain music for the show.
incandescent blue
>
> I think the Apex DVD player I got my dad on ebay will play UK DVDs. It
> was only $150 or so, and it ignores copy protection and region coding.
Mine does -- it's the infamous old hackable Apex AD-600 where you can
turn off the region coding and Macrovision, too. The PAL/NTSC conversion
and ability to make it region-free are why I got it in the first place:
I've got a small collection of R2 and R4 discs, which work just fine
with the cheapie Apex.
I haven't really kept up with all the gossip on which brands/models
are hackable in which way, but there does seem to be quite a bit of
variability in what features may be available and how easy it is
to get to them. So don't just buy the first Apex or whatever other
brand you've heard good reports about...look up the model number
and make sure it can be tweaked easily to do what you want.
Jeff Lanam
One problem is that a work for which the copyright holder cannot be
found, cannot be duplicated legally. These are called "orphan works".
If the publisher goes out of business, it's risky to use the work, in
case a claimant to the rights appears.
http://www.sfbg.com/39/49/news_commons_cause.html
Jeff "I am not even close to being a lawyer" Lanam
Greg Goss
>Sure, we all wish everything was free and all, but in a world where
>people actually want to be able to make a living from music, this is
>probably not a bad compromise.
Even the authors feel that copyright is out of control. I've
seen/heard more than one author say that the 25+15 year terms that
they got when they started writing are plenty long enough.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Kevin
<die-bla...@hyacinthine.net> wrote:
>On 2005-09-13, K_S_ONeill <K_S_O...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the Apex DVD player I got my dad on ebay will play UK DVDs. It
>> was only $150 or so, and it ignores copy protection and region coding.
>
>Mine does -- it's the infamous old hackable Apex AD-600 where you can
>turn off the region coding and Macrovision, too. The PAL/NTSC conversion
>and ability to make it region-free are why I got it in the first place:
>I've got a small collection of R2 and R4 discs, which work just fine
>with the cheapie Apex.
>
>I haven't really kept up with all the gossip on which brands/models
>are hackable in which way, but there does seem to be quite a bit of
>variability in what features may be available and how easy it is
>to get to them. So don't just buy the first Apex or whatever other
>brand you've heard good reports about...look up the model number
>and make sure it can be tweaked easily to do what you want.
Yeah, this one was a AD-1200, I think, but was clearly advertised on
ebay as having the macrovision and region hack, and the guy had many
many feedback at 100% positive. It was in all ways a good deal. And
I think I got the idea from you and never thanked you, so thanks.
This and a DVD burner and a 26" LCD TV and a Netflix membership and
the old man's in hog heaven, I tell you what.
--
Kevin
Charles Bishop
>"Chip C" <chipc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Sure, we all wish everything was free and all, but in a world where
>>people actually want to be able to make a living from music, this is
>>probably not a bad compromise.
>
>Even the authors feel that copyright is out of control. I've
>seen/heard more than one author say that the 25+15 year terms that
>they got when they started writing are plenty long enough.
I've got my pillory and stocks ready (I prefer to use my own, since they
are more comfy that those others use for me) so let me try this-
I think that copyright should be in perpetuity, with ownership being able
to be passed on to generations. My reasoning for this is "private
property", one of the better reasons for laws or absence thereof. However,
since others I respect don't seem to hold this view, I'm open for
discussion.
I don't see the difference from other works which can be copied. Are there
none that are comparable? A painting belongs to the painter/owner, and I
think any reproductions have to be with permission. Hmm, though I see
something wrong with my analogy-I am permitted I think, to paint a copy of
a painting, either from the original or a reproduction, and this copy is
mine. Of course it's not going to be an exact copy of the original so
there may be some wiggle room here.
Oh, and the test of whether the copyright still holds would be similar-if
someone copys and uses the work, and the holder doesn't complain (he's
dead, doesn't care, his heirs and assigns don't care or there are none)
then the copyright is forever null and void. Perhaps something more active
is called for-the holder has to, periodically, say I care about the
rights, and am keeping them-if this doesn't happen, n&v.
I do realize that giving such a copyright would limit "the ability of
others to use a work, modify it and so increase the public's utility" or
some such, but I don't think this is a strong enough reason, else we'd use
it for other stuff as well.
charles, this usenet post is copyright and all profits therefrom shall
accrue to the Bide-a-Wee home for dogs.
Peter Boulding
wrote in <ctbishop-130...@user-38lc0n0.dialup.mindspring.com>:
>I think that copyright should be in perpetuity, with ownership being able
>to be passed on to generations. My reasoning for this is "private
>property", one of the better reasons for laws or absence thereof. However,
>since others I respect don't seem to hold this view, I'm open for
>discussion.
If you'll forgive my saying so, that's the most asshole suggestion I've ever
read in AFCA.
How would you feel about me and my descendants being World Dictators In
Perpetuity because, as a direct descendant of its inventor, I'm current
owner of the copyright on the wheel?
But if you're allowing inheritance of intellectual property, presumably
you're also allowing its sale, and the World Government would in fact be run
by Microsoft, or AOL Time Warner, or some such.
Of course in reality the wheel would never have got that far. One of my far
distant ancestors would have said to himself "hey, I don't like where this
is going," and would have refused all permission to use or even distribute
the plans of the wheel.
You're fatally undermining a fundamental of human development.
--
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p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove "UNSPAM")
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Greg Goss
>I do realize that giving such a copyright would limit "the ability of
>others to use a work, modify it and so increase the public's utility" or
>some such, but I don't think this is a strong enough reason, else we'd use
>it for other stuff as well.
There are three categories:
Trademark: Good forever so long as you're still using it.
Copyright: Protects you from someone copying it. But if the new
author comes up with the same thing independently, you're not
protected.
Patent: Protects you even from someone coming up with the idea
independently.
Copyright was, for a long time, 25 years with another 15 if you
explicitly file a renewal. Patent was 17 years with a renewal in
there somewhere.
Society is "richer" if there are many ideas free for the general use.
If society offers a limited time "exclusive" contract in exchange for
creators releasing the ideas after that limited time, you end up with
a richer society.
Charles Bishop
>ctbi...@earthlink.netttt (Charles Bishop) wrote:
>
>>I do realize that giving such a copyright would limit "the ability of
>>others to use a work, modify it and so increase the public's utility" or
>>some such, but I don't think this is a strong enough reason, else we'd use
>>it for other stuff as well.
>
>There are three categories:
>
>Trademark: Good forever so long as you're still using it.
I think I can see the reasoning behind this-a trademark isn't protecting
an actual thing, just the person/company's version of a thing. Fer
instance, I can't put the name Ford on a car, even if the car is
substantially different from a real Ford, because this would dilute
ownership of the brand recognition.
>Copyright: Protects you from someone copying it. But if the new
>author comes up with the same thing independently, you're not
>protected.
Aren't you protected if you came up with it first? For instance, and
perhaps not the best example, possibly for reasons in the actual law-
"Your moose is clearly Satan" is copyright by the guy who first wrote it
on USENET, regardless of whether someone else, in Wyoming say, had written
it down a month or so later, without knowing of the first use?
>Patent: Protects you even from someone coming up with the idea
>independently.
Do you see any distinction between patent and copyright that would be
useful for me? Either I'm fuzzy-headed just now or this is one of those
subjects that is hard for me to wrap my mind around. Patents concern
physical objects and the way they work/what they do.
>Copyright was, for a long time, 25 years with another 15 if you
>explicitly file a renewal. Patent was 17 years with a renewal in
>there somewhere.
>
>Society is "richer" if there are many ideas free for the general use.
>If society offers a limited time "exclusive" contract in exchange for
>creators releasing the ideas after that limited time, you end up with
>a richer society.
This part of the argument I see. It's a balance between rewarding someone
for their work, else why would they do it, freeware not withstanding, and
making the work available later for everyone. Was the original copyright
only for 25 years after creation of the work, or was it from the first for
25 years after the death of the author?
Absent Disney's meddling for their benefit, I see changes in the law a
recognition of the value of the work, perhaps combined with making sure
the originator has use of it for hir lifetime, then a bit more tacked on
for the heirs and assigns. The reasoning after that is well, the person
who made it is dead, everyone else can go suck eggs.
My reasoning is that since ownership of other stuff can pass in
perpetuity, why not something, perhaps intangible, also? I really do see
that "society" can benefit from it becoming a common work, usuable by all,
I just don't know if this outweighs what I would consider private property
and was looking for a discussion.
charles, one without the word asshole
E Brown
wrote:
>Note my follow-up post -- turns out the U.S. DVD set isn't even the
>complete Season 1, it's just six episodes. And the list price is $39.98!
>If I were a fan of the show, I'd be a mite disgruntled with the suits at
>Fox. (As it is, I'm reserving my disgruntlement for MTV's refusal to
>issue a boxed set of "Daria" DVDs.)
Ouch! The Daria thing's a sore point with me as well. I actually
ordered the 7 PAL tapes (I already had the 2 NTSC ones), though I
haven't gone through with my plan to convert them to DVD backups...
Emanuel
Hactar
Chip C <chipc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> There's a web site somewhere that shows user-submitted notes comparing
> the diffs between dvds as released in different markets, notably music
> but also additional features. Sorry, I've lost the url and a bit of
> googling doesn't turn it up. The case in point for me was the BBC
> Series "the Young Ones", which had a live performance in most episodes.
> For some of the live acts and for some of the background music, the UK
> and/or US rights couldn't be had (or afforded, I presume) for DVD. The
> live acts were cut, and background music cut or replaced, differently
> for the two markets.
>
> I believe most PC DVD players allow the region to be set, maybe once or
> twice only in the life of the unit, but still it can be done and
> they're very cheap. And I'm pretty sure DVD playing software is
> encoding-agnostic, or for sure PAL playing software would happily run
> on a US PC. So that might be a workable path for something like this.
AIUI, the Linux folks had to reverse-engineer DVD movie support anyhow, so
they just didn't put the region-specific stuff in. My friend gave me some
Korean DVDs, and they wouldn't play in my standalone player before I
hacked it, but mplayer played them no problem.
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Greg Goss
>>Copyright: Protects you from someone copying it. But if the new
>>author comes up with the same thing independently, you're not
>>protected.
>
>Aren't you protected if you came up with it first? For instance, and
>perhaps not the best example, possibly for reasons in the actual law-
>"Your moose is clearly Satan" is copyright by the guy who first wrote it
>on USENET, regardless of whether someone else, in Wyoming say, had written
>it down a month or so later, without knowing of the first use?
>
>>Patent: Protects you even from someone coming up with the idea
>>independently.
>
>Do you see any distinction between patent and copyright that would be
>useful for me? Either I'm fuzzy-headed just now or this is one of those
>subjects that is hard for me to wrap my mind around. Patents concern
>physical objects and the way they work/what they do.
An example of the difference was the IBM PC BIOS. It had a
well-defined use, and well-defined interfaces. Compaq and others
trained people to program the appropriate micorprocessor, then had
them design a new PC BIOS without ever seeing the IBM version. Any
similarities were coincidental, and IBM couldn't sue.
>>Copyright was, for a long time, 25 years with another 15 if you
>>explicitly file a renewal. Patent was 17 years with a renewal in
>>there somewhere.
>>
>>Society is "richer" if there are many ideas free for the general use.
>>If society offers a limited time "exclusive" contract in exchange for
>>creators releasing the ideas after that limited time, you end up with
>>a richer society.
>
>This part of the argument I see. It's a balance between rewarding someone
>for their work, else why would they do it, freeware not withstanding, and
>making the work available later for everyone. Was the original copyright
>only for 25 years after creation of the work, or was it from the first for
>25 years after the death of the author?
25 years from creation of the work. I remember the magazine column
when Asimov expressed dismay that he was having to renew copyrights.
This meant that he was getting old.
25 plus 15 years from an adult's work is essentially an adult' life.
>Absent Disney's meddling for their benefit, I see changes in the law a
>recognition of the value of the work, perhaps combined with making sure
>the originator has use of it for hir lifetime, then a bit more tacked on
>for the heirs and assigns. The reasoning after that is well, the person
>who made it is dead, everyone else can go suck eggs.
The problem with "lifetime" is corporate creations. What is the
"lifetime" of a Disney work? Perhaps the corporation will need to
have a specific person sign the copyright registration, and that
person's life will be the one that counts? Each of the megacorps
would then have a designated twelve-year-old as the lead producer of
each work who would then assign their interest back to Disney?
>My reasoning is that since ownership of other stuff can pass in
>perpetuity, why not something, perhaps intangible, also? I really do see
>that "society" can benefit from it becoming a common work, usuable by all,
>I just don't know if this outweighs what I would consider private property
>and was looking for a discussion.
One of the things that really influenced my opinion on this was the
corporation that chased down the heir of the song "Happy Birthday" and
started charging for public performances. I think that restricting
cultural iconic performances like this cheapens our society.
Shawn Wilson
"Jeff Lanam" <jeff-do...@hp-dot-com-not.net> wrote in message
news:f6mei1hptio85d1bu...@4ax.com...
Oh, look, someone else whose pose aren't formatted correctly so as to quote
correctly...
I'll fix this one 'cause it's short and it isn't Mike.
People- QUOTED-PRINTABLE IS BAD!
> One problem is that a work for which the copyright holder cannot be
> found, cannot be duplicated legally. These are called "orphan works".
> If the publisher goes out of business, it's risky to use the work, in
> case a claimant to the rights appears.
Cf "Abandonware".
Did you like the Starfleet Command games by Activision?
You can't buy Starfleet Command III anywhere, even though it's only a few
years old. But it can be downloaded FREE at http://www.the-underdogs.org/
because there's no one to say boo. (note: you will need the nocd crack
from gamecopyworld.com and the latest patch)
Sometimes there's other wierdness- Steel Panthers: World at War is a free
download from its creators, who modified the original Steel Panthers under
license, because they own it but can't legally sell it. (they make money
selling add ons). I don't really understand the issues involved.
"Does this only apply when some company involved has gone out of business?"
I hear you ask. In fact- No. You can also download not particularly old
games from Microsoft, like Close Combat 2. The game's too old for it to be
worth marketing but they don't want to surrender the rights involved, so
they just ignore sites like the Underdogs, which is very cooperative in
removing games that the owners of the copyrights to ask they not just give
away for free.
Is it illegal? Underdogs is rather famous and the various copyright owners
don't even ask them not to carry their software, let alone go to the
authorities. (those that do ask are removed and thus aren't there anymore)
Is it immoral? Not as fas as I'm concerned.
What about copies of works that are no longer for sale? Is it illegal or
immoral to 'pirate' something that isn't offered for sale anymore? Do you
like old AD&D modules? You can't buy them anymore. But you can download
them and a ton of other things at alt.binaries.e-book.rpg. You can also
download things that are in stores now...
How about if you HAD a work, which the law allows you to make a copy of for
backup/archival/whatever purposes, but it was stolen? Do you have a right
to download an electronic version of a work that you could have legally made
an electronic copy of except that it was stolen before you ever did? You
had/have the legal right to possess a copy, to serve as a backup to the
original, but you didn't make the copy while you could. Are you breaking
the law by 'pirating' a copy?
E Brown
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What happened to Ally McBeal? Seemed like a reasonably popular show,
>but I don't see it in syndication anywhere. Why can you get DVDs of the
>show at the UK Amazon (presumably the wrong region for my player) but
>not the US?
>
Ally McBeal had the same cause of death as all of Kelly's shows: he
got into a new project, left it in someone else's hands, and the new
caretaker drove it into the ground. His new show becomes a critic's
darling, and the old one dies within a year or two.
As for why discs are available elsewhere rather than the US,
syndication. There's always a chance of making money on a show in
syndication, and DVD releases are seen as weakening a show's market
value. Once the show is safely sold into endless reruns, the rights
owners might look at releasing the discs. Exceptions are cult classics
whose fans are perceived as willing to buy the discs *and* watch the
broadcasts (X-files, Buffy, etc)
Emanuel
Charles Bishop
>ctbi...@earthlink.netttt (Charles Bishop) wrote:
[copyright stuff-whither and whence]
>
>One of the things that really influenced my opinion on this was the
>corporation that chased down the heir of the song "Happy Birthday" and
>started charging for public performances. I think that restricting
>cultural iconic performances like this cheapens our society.
I can see this argument and agree with it, somewhat, I think. This is
another thought experiment for me in that I like to imagine what the world
would be like with this tweak, and of course all the tweaks that would
follow, or be necessary.
Corporations and their ilk, I don't know what the effect would be. Of
course Disney, who is evil, would like to keep the Mouse in perpetuity,
and, I think with good reason. It's turned into a cash generator for them.
I don't know if this is enough to change my mind or not. I suspect for
every Mickey that was kept out of the public domain, there would be
thousands^W hundreds more whose parent corp wouldn't bother suing copiers.
Though, again, I dunno.
If you haven't seen it, track down the episode of "Sports Night" that
features "Happy Birthday" and its use on air. There is subtle writing and
acting here (well in the entire series, but here especially)
Oh, and in closing
Happy Birthday to You
Happy Birthday to You
Happy Birthday dear afc-a, aaa
Happy Birthday to You.
charles, come and get me, coppers
Opus the Penguin
> Ally McBeal had the same cause of death as all of Kelly's shows: he
> got into a new project, left it in someone else's hands, and the new
> caretaker drove it into the ground. His new show becomes a critic's
> darling, and the old one dies within a year or two.
> As for why discs are available elsewhere rather than the US,
> syndication. There's always a chance of making money on a show in
> syndication, and DVD releases are seen as weakening a show's market
> value.
That's part of what's strange, though. As far as I can tell, Ally
McBeal *isn't* in syndication. I have a vague recollection that they
started showing reruns a couple of years back. Those should still be
going on. If they are, I can't find them. (I'm not obsessed, more idly
curious. So I haven't tried incredibly hard.)
--
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The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
groo
> No. No no. No no no. No. He creeps me out, always did, way back to
> my youthful interlude as a young person. He's obnoxious and greasy, he
> and Bob Hope, they both struck me as sort of oily small time sheep
> molestors or something. It would have been funny if they'd made a
> movie where they were adored as movie idols but were actually molesting
> sheep on the weekend, but they never did. Pity.
>
As opposed to oily big time sheep molesters? How does one make the
transition to the big time?
--
And why the hell do I even want to know?
Hactar
Sell tickets to watch?
> --
> And why the hell do I even want to know?
That, I can't say.
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ra...@westnet.poe.com
They'd have to be reworked to remove the music that's no longer available
for copyright. You don't see re-runs of WKRP for the same reason.
Blinky the Shark
> They'd have to be reworked to remove the music that's no longer available
> for copyright. You don't see re-runs of WKRP for the same reason.
I just like the idea of the theme song being rerecorded to change the
words to "WKRP in syndication".
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Bill Van
Mark Steese
> One of the things that really influenced my opinion on this was the
> corporation that chased down the heir of the song "Happy Birthday" and
> started charging for public performances.
That's not what happened. According to Snopes, Jessica Hill, sister of
composers Mildred and Patty, filed suit when the music was used in Irving
Berlin's musical *As Thousands Cheer* and secured the copyright in 1934.
She published the sheet music with the Clayton F. Summy company in 1935,
and they've been zealously guarding their rights ever since. The song
would've become public domain in 1991 but for Congress's penchant for
extending copyrights -- the Acts of 1976 and 1988 ensured that the song
will remain under copyright at least until 2030 (for more details, see
http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp).
> I think that restricting cultural iconic performances like this cheapens
> our society.
And Lord knows that a society that inflicts everyone who's gotten a year
older with a performance of the same cheesy "birthday song" is already as
cheap as it needs to be.
--
Mark Steese
===========
The first signs of the death of the boom came in the summer,
early, and everything went like snow in the sun.
Out of their office windows. There was miasma,
a weight beyond enduring, the city reeked of failure.
Jim Ellwanger
Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
> ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:
>
> > They'd have to be reworked to remove the music that's no longer available
> > for copyright. You don't see re-runs of WKRP for the same reason.
>
> I just like the idea of the theme song being rerecorded to change the
> words to "WKRP in syndication".
Ah, yes, Syndication is the small town in northern Kentucky where they
had the emergency backup transmitter.
--
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<http://www.ellwanger.tv> welcomes you daily.
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)
wrote:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in news:3orvq1F...@individual.net:
> > I think that restricting cultural iconic performances like this cheapens
> > our society.
>
> And Lord knows that a society that inflicts everyone who's gotten a year
> older with a performance of the same cheesy "birthday song" is already as
> cheap as it needs to be.
Somewhere that I occasionally eat, maybe Marie Callendar's, has a
different birthday song. I prefer it to the usual one, in fact. I
assume that they use it to avoid the copyrighted version.
Mary
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Mark Steese
in news:mcpki1hsks106hgsa...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:19:16 GMT, Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
>> news:3orvq1F...@individual.net:
>
>> > I think that restricting cultural iconic performances like this
>> > cheapens our society.
>>
>> And Lord knows that a society that inflicts everyone who's gotten a
>> year older with a performance of the same cheesy "birthday song" is
>> already as cheap as it needs to be.
>
> Somewhere that I occasionally eat, maybe Marie Callendar's, has a
> different birthday song. I prefer it to the usual one, in fact. I
> assume that they use it to avoid the copyrighted version.
Or it could be that they prefer to have their own proprietary version --
there's money in them birthday songs.
incandescent blue
>
> Yeah, this one was a AD-1200, I think, but was clearly advertised on
> ebay as having the macrovision and region hack, and the guy had many
> many feedback at 100% positive. It was in all ways a good deal. And
> I think I got the idea from you and never thanked you, so thanks.
Eh, I seem to recall you thanking me before, so no worries. But
how did the fleecy-kitty-toy-order work out? I just spotted the same
sort of cheap pompoms at both the local craft-supply shop and the
neighboring dollar store, and it reminded me of the Very Special
Pet Toy Ninjitsu thread...
Opus the Penguin
> If you haven't seen it, track down the episode of "Sports Night"
> that features "Happy Birthday" and its use on air. There is subtle
> writing and acting here (well in the entire series, but here
> especially)
Yes. Read no further if you haven't seen it. This should be
experienced first hand.
Best line in the whole sequence (and there's some stiff competition):
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
"It took two people to write that song?"
Opus the Penguin
>> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>> > I think that restricting cultural iconic performances like this
>> > cheapens our society.
>>
>> And Lord knows that a society that inflicts everyone who's gotten
>> a year older with a performance of the same cheesy "birthday
>> song" is already as cheap as it needs to be.
>
> Somewhere that I occasionally eat, maybe Marie Callendar's, has a
> different birthday song. I prefer it to the usual one, in fact.
> I assume that they use it to avoid the copyrighted version.
I hate listening to waiters and waitresses sing. Doesn't matter what
song. They're almost always terrible. If I owned a restaurant, I'd
make them all do the following ditty:
Happy happy birthday
From all of us to you
We can't make a rhyme
Or even sing on key.
Kevin
<die-bla...@hyacinthine.net> wrote:
>On 2005-09-14, Kevin <K_S_O...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, this one was a AD-1200, I think, but was clearly advertised on
>> ebay as having the macrovision and region hack, and the guy had many
>> many feedback at 100% positive. It was in all ways a good deal. And
>> I think I got the idea from you and never thanked you, so thanks.
>
>Eh, I seem to recall you thanking me before, so no worries. But
>how did the fleecy-kitty-toy-order work out? I just spotted the same
>sort of cheap pompoms at both the local craft-supply shop and the
>neighboring dollar store, and it reminded me of the Very Special
>Pet Toy Ninjitsu thread...
It was, uh, interesting, and pretty funny, I guess, but hard to
describe. The box came in and I dumped 250 fleece balls of all sizes
onto the floor. No interest. I threw The One True Purple Ball a few
times to get her worked up, then threw it into the big pile, and we
watched as the tension mounted....
She just looked at it, then at me, then walked off to sulk. She
sniffed around and identified TOTPB, we think, but wouldn't pick it
up, and sat on the bed in the other room for an hour, which is
unusual. So whomever had the idea that it's not replaceable is likely
right, though thanks to everybody for the help. On a related note, I
now have 250 pompoms of all sizes for which I paid $5 total, and which
I will be happy to sell at cost, if anyone wants some. That comes out
to, uh, lessee, carry the one, plus one is zero, decimal, hang on....
a buck each. Paypal is fine.
She has a new toy she likes, anyway, one of them ball in the groove
things with a scratch pad in the middle. She'll sit for hours with an
'arm' in the groove in each direction, batting the ball round and back
to herself; she really is the most charming little thing. Except at
five am.
--
Kevin
which is why god made squirt bottles
Le Retour de Petain d'Encule
Dirty Dick's (a dump by intent, not by accident) handles it fairly well.
It's intentionally off key. The staff looks terribly bored and wanders
off at various parts of the song. They never complete it. Someone
usually throws straws and napkins and wishes a half-hearted "happy
whatever".
Bill
Dana Carpender
Is the food at least pretty good? I mean, there must be a reason to put
up with this, and find it ironic and funny.
Dana
Le Retour de Petain d'Encule
Oh, no. Food's the last reason to go there. The beer is safe. You go
mostly to watch other people be humiliated.
Bill
Dana Carpender
It's always nice to know there's one more place I don't want to go
before I die.
Dana
David
message
> Oh, no. Food's the last reason to go there. The beer is safe. You go
> mostly to watch other people be humiliated.
And a good time is had by all....spent a great couple of nights in Boston in
a Dirty Dicks when I was there for a seminar a couple of years ago. It
really is quite funny, at least if you're not on the receiving end. The
best times were the bachelorette parties that came....I'll leave the rest to
your imagination.
Big David
Dana Carpender
David wrote:
I'm not finding Dirty Dick's. I can find Dick's Last Resort, which I
think is what I was assuming you were talking about. Yes/no?
Dana
Le Retour de Petain d'Encule
Yes, thanks. I did munge the proper name.
Bill
Charles Bishop
<dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>Le Retour de Petain d'Encule wrote:
[wandering thread cut off in its not-so-prime]
>>
>> Dirty Dick's (a dump by intent, not by accident) handles it fairly well.
>> It's intentionally off key. The staff looks terribly bored and wanders
>> off at various parts of the song. They never complete it. Someone
>> usually throws straws and napkins and wishes a half-hearted "happy
>> whatever".
>>
>>
>
>Is the food at least pretty good? I mean, there must be a reason to put
>up with this, and find it ironic and funny.
There is a "NY Deli" somewhere near Union Square in San Francisco, where
the waiter, I swear, was trying to be authentic NY by making comments
during the entire meal. Of the sort "I've only got two hands, I can't get
you what you want.", and the like. I suppose it could have been his actual
personality but it seemed like an act.
I remember reading about similar places where the waiters would insult the
customers and it was, if not the place for those who lived there, at least
a place where people from out of town would go for the wonderment of the
experience.
Anyone know of a particular place like this?
Was this effect franchised at any point?
--
chalres
xho...@gmail.com
Is this where AFU hold their parties?
Xho
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Or is it AFCA
David
> I'm not finding Dirty Dick's. I can find Dick's Last Resort, which I
> think is what I was assuming you were talking about. Yes/no?
Yes. Dirty Dick is the alleged name of the proprietor.
Big David
Rick B.
news:ctbishop-180...@user-38lc02l.dialup.mindspring.com:
> I remember reading about similar places where the waiters would
> insult the customers and it was, if not the place for those who
> lived there, at least a place where people from out of town would
> go for the wonderment of the experience.
>
> Anyone know of a particular place like this?
>
> Was this effect franchised at any point?
Ed Debevic's in Chicago:
http://centerstage.net/restaurants/ed-debevics.html
A quick Google indicates that they had branches in Milwaukee and
Southern California that are now defunct, plus a still-operating
location in Lombard, Illinois.
Opus the Penguin
> Oh, no. Food's the last reason to go there. The beer is safe.
> You go mostly to watch other people be humiliated.
It must be great living so near Huey and Ava. I wish I was over there.
huey.c...@gmail.com
> > Oh, no. Food's the last reason to go there. The beer is safe.
> > You go mostly to watch other people be humiliated.
> It must be great living so near Huey and Ava. I wish I was over there.
Hey, none of that, jerky! My wife is a FABULOUS cook, and at my house,
people are expected to humiliate THEMSELVES.
--
Huey
groo
> And a good time is had by all....spent a great couple of nights in
> Boston in a Dirty Dicks when I was there for a seminar a couple of
> years ago. It really is quite funny, at least if you're not on the
> receiving end. The best times were the bachelorette parties that
> came....I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
>
It might be helpful to put the apostrophe into the name. I would consider
going into a place called "Dirty Dick's". I believe I would avoid an
establishment named "Dirty Dicks". YMMV.
--
"You might, Dan, learn to indicate interest in a girl without murdering
someone." - Al to Dan, "Deadwood"
groo
There's a cheapo steak place on the south end of the drag in Austin, but
I can't remember the name.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> I remember reading about similar places where the waiters would insult the
> customers and it was, if not the place for those who lived there, at least
> a place where people from out of town would go for the wonderment of the
> experience.
>
> Anyone know of a particular place like this?
Geoffrey's, in Providence, Rhode Island, where my older son
worked for a while. The receipts from the cash register say:
"Thank you. Now go away".
Charles
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Le Retour de Petain d'Encule <leret...@petaindencule.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:16:35 +0000, Dana Carpender wrote:
>>
>>>Is the food at least pretty good? I mean, there must be a reason to
>>>put up with this, and find it ironic and funny.
>>>
>>>Dana
>>
>>Oh, no. Food's the last reason to go there. The beer is safe. You go
>>mostly to watch other people be humiliated.
>
> Is this where AFU hold their parties?
I can't relate to this. I've been to at least a dozen AFU
gatherings, probably more. We NEVER go to watch other people
being humiliated. Let's see: 5 in NYC, 3 in Boston, 5 near
Washington, D.C., 2 others in other parts of Massachusetts,
one in Quebec, several in upstate NY, one in Philadelphia,
4 in Connecticut....have I forgotten any that I've been to?
Charles of the West has been to a similar number, but we've
overlapped only 5 times.
Charles
Dana Carpender
groo wrote:
> "David" <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>And a good time is had by all....spent a great couple of nights in
>>Boston in a Dirty Dicks when I was there for a seminar a couple of
>>years ago. It really is quite funny, at least if you're not on the
>>receiving end. The best times were the bachelorette parties that
>>came....I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
>>
>
>
> It might be helpful to put the apostrophe into the name. I would consider
> going into a place called "Dirty Dick's". I believe I would avoid an
> establishment named "Dirty Dicks". YMMV.
>
And Bill's story about Freddy Mercury makes it clear he avoids dirty
dicks, as well.
Dana
Boron Elgar
I am in possession of a T-shirt that says:
"I got my crabs from Dirty Dicks"
http://www.dirtydickscrabs.com/
Boron
Dhubghall
> > ctbi...@earthlink.netttt (Charles Bishop) wrote in
> > news:ctbishop-180...@user-38lc02l.dialup.mindspring.com:
> >
> >> I remember reading about similar places where the waiters would
> >> insult the customers and it was, if not the place for those who
> >> lived there, at least a place where people from out of town would
> >> go for the wonderment of the experience.
> >>
> >> Anyone know of a particular place like this?
> >>
> >> Was this effect franchised at any point?
> >
> > Ed Debevic's in Chicago:
> > http://centerstage.net/restaurants/ed-debevics.html
> >
> > A quick Google indicates that they had branches in Milwaukee and
> > Southern California that are now defunct, plus a still-operating
> > location in Lombard, Illinois.
> >
> There's a cheapo steak place on the south end of the drag in Austin, but
> I can't remember the name.
Was there. It was G&Ms steakhouse. Been gone for over a decade now.
"With every plate you get a free side of abuse". My family ate there with
my grandmother when my sister and I started at UT. It was fun watching
grandma go from confused to angry to amused in just a few seconds.
I really miss the scary-assed fishtank that only had a few portholes of
visibility in the algea. All I know is there was something big and silver
in there and it looked pretty damn menacing.
It took me a few times to figure out that the random fingerpaint drawing
with ketchup/mustard on your plate was actually a code for the next person
on the assembly line for whatever you ordered. It was certainly an
interesting place.
Dougall