a dozen miscellaneous thoughts

[Questor]

If I had the money and the space, I'd like to have a George Rhoads
"audiokinetic" sculpture in my home. I just learned that sadly he passed away
early last month.


I think that in cities that are largely laid out in a grid pattern, public
transit buses should travel in a square wave pattern up and down on the avenues
and back and forth on the cross streets. it Seems to me there would be a bus
coming along every few minutes, and one could get anywhere in the grid with just
one transfer from an avenue bus to a cross street bus (or vice versa).


It has always bugged me a little that the computer versions of (Klondike)
solitaire don't perform the "Vegas" scoring correctly "according to Hoyle." One
"buys" the pack of cards for $52, and receives $5 for each card played on the
foundation. If the player wins by moving all 52 cards to the foundation, they
are supposed to get $500. I haven't seen any computer version that does this.


I have never found Martin Short to be very funny.


Is it just me, or do all the sportcasters on the local TV news programs seem to
be shouting their reports?


I have fairly simple desires. For example, I'd like to live for one full year,
-- all four seasons -- at Fallingwater.


At such point that electric vehicles overwhelmingly dominate the market and
internal combustion vehicles fade away, the trope of committing suicide by
locking oneself in the garage and running the engine will disappear as well.


I have become old, the continuing saga: I sometimes bring a book to medical
appointments in the event there is going to be some waiting involved. A nurse
is intrigued because I'm always reading some work of non-fiction. I happen to
be reading "Just A Shot Away: Peace, Love, and Tragedy With the Rolling Stones
at Altamont" by Saul Austerlitz (2018; Thomas Dunne Books), and when she
inquires about what I'm reading I tell her it's about the Rolling Stones and the
disasterous Altamont concert. The name "Rolling Stones" barely registers with
her, and shes never even heard of the Altamont debacle.


When some book or television program says it's the "untold story," doesn't that
immediately make it a "told story?"


We may have covered this before, but it bears repeating: if I order a pizza
that is one-half pepperoni and mushroom, and one-half sausage and onion,
then that counts as only two items, not four. Similarly, charging any extra fee
to split a pizza in such a manner is simply opportunistic money-grubbing and is
to be excoriated.


In the television program "The Green Hornet," his car, the Black Beauty, is
stored upside down under the garage floor. I wonder what problems a real car
might develop if it was stored upside down.


The phrase, "eyes like a hawk" is certainly very apt. To begin with, they have
up to five times as many receptors as humans. In other words, they have a
greater resolution -- more pixels in a sense. Additionally, they can separate
images twice as fast as humans, which can be thought of as having a faster frame
rate. Movies work in large part due to our retinal persistence. Unlike people,
a hawk in a movie theater would probably easily perceive the flickering and see
the room as being dark most of the time.

--
I wish I was a headlight on a Northbound train; I'd shine my light through
cool Colorado rain

[Les Albert]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:37:48 GMT, use...@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:

...

>I think that in cities that are largely laid out in a grid pattern, public
>transit buses should travel in a square wave pattern up and down on the avenues
>and back and forth on the cross streets. it Seems to me there would be a bus
>coming along every few minutes, and one could get anywhere in the grid with just
>one transfer from an avenue bus to a cross street bus (or vice versa).

Parts of New York City have a grid set-up like that. I used to travel
from 21st St. on the east side to about the level of 8th St. and
transfer to get to the far west side of Greenwich Village.

>I have never found Martin Short to be very funny.

I haven't seen him in anything recently, but I don't remember him
being very funny either.

>Is it just me, or do all the sportcasters on the local TV news programs seem to
>be shouting their reports?

It's not just you.

>I have fairly simple desires. For example, I'd like to live for one full year,
>-- all four seasons -- at Fallingwater.

Better bring an umbrella; the roof of his structures had a reputation
for leaking.

>At such point that electric vehicles overwhelmingly dominate the market and
>internal combustion vehicles fade away, the trope of committing suicide by
>locking oneself in the garage and running the engine will disappear as well.

Electrocution by car charger?

>I have become old, the continuing saga: I sometimes bring a book to medical
>appointments in the event there is going to be some waiting involved. A nurse
>is intrigued because I'm always reading some work of non-fiction. I happen to
>be reading "Just A Shot Away: Peace, Love, and Tragedy With the Rolling Stones
>at Altamont" by Saul Austerlitz (2018; Thomas Dunne Books), and when she
>inquires about what I'm reading I tell her it's about the Rolling Stones and the
>disasterous Altamont concert. The name "Rolling Stones" barely registers with
>her, and shes never even heard of the Altamont debacle.

I know what you mean. I was discussing big bands with another jazz
inthusiast who is much younger than me, and he had never heard of
Freddy Martin.

Les

>In the television program "The Green Hornet," his car, the Black Beauty, is
>stored upside down under the garage floor. I wonder what problems a real car
>might develop if it was stored upside down.

If you are going to run the engine while the car is upside down, the
first thing that comes to mind is that the gas will all be at the top
of the tank, and the fuel pump won't be able to pump it to the engine.
The car mavens advise that the oil system depends on oil flowing DOWN
through the engine, and if it could be run the engine would soon be
destroyed.

[Snidely]

Les Albert submitted this response:

> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:37:48 GMT, use...@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:

> ...
>> I think that in cities that are largely laid out in a grid pattern, public
>> transit buses should travel in a square wave pattern up and down on the
>> avenues and back and forth on the cross streets. it Seems to me there would
>> be a bus coming along every few minutes, and one could get anywhere in the
>> grid with just one transfer from an avenue bus to a cross street bus (or
>> vice versa).
>
> Parts of New York City have a grid set-up like that. I used to travel
> from 21st St. on the east side to about the level of 8th St. and
> transfer to get to the far west side of Greenwich Village.

Parts of Orange County have a setup like that. At one point I was
using it, and it made for long rides.

(It's not actually a square wave; the southbound buses on Route X don't
become northbound buses on Route X+1, they simply u-turn.)

(Further, on many routes, there are several buses southbound on Route X
at the same time, separated by a prescribed headway. There are at the
same time several buses northbound on Route X, separated by the same
prescribed headway. That headway, even on busy routes like Katella and
like Harbor or beach, was enough to make for few convenient transfers.)

I am very happy not to be scheduling bus services.

/dps

--
"First thing in the morning, before I have coffee, I read the obits, If
I'm not in it, I'll have breakfast." -- Carl Reiner, to CBS News in
2015.

[Bob]

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 6:37:13 AM UTC-4, Questor wrote:

> I have never found Martin Short to be very funny.

On his own, he's not. However, he's a fairly good "straight" player for others to play off.

> At such point that electric vehicles overwhelmingly dominate the market and
> internal combustion vehicles fade away, the trope of committing suicide by
> locking oneself in the garage and running the engine will disappear as well.

That's already been very difficult for a long time, as CO emissions are so low now.

> In the television program "The Green Hornet," his car, the Black Beauty, is
> stored upside down under the garage floor. I wonder what problems a real car
> might develop if it was stored upside down.

Carbureted, that first start after righting it could be a problem. Even fuel injected, could have vapor or air in the fuel line. Water cooled, if there's been some coolant loss and air has gotten in, could develop air lock at the coolant pump; then again, I see now some cars where the coolant pump is up high, leaving them prone to such a problem just plain.

But...what parts do you hang it by? That might be INSTANTLY a problem, rather than one that "might develop".

Bob in Andover

[Xho Jingleheimerschmidt]

On 8/30/21 6:37 AM, Questor wrote:

> I think that in cities that are largely laid out in a grid pattern, public
> transit buses should travel in a square wave pattern up and down on the avenues
> and back and forth on the cross streets. it Seems to me there would be a bus
> coming along every few minutes, and one could get anywhere in the grid with just
> one transfer from an avenue bus to a cross street bus (or vice versa).

I'd rather transfer buses and get there in 40 minutes than spend 36
hours on a single Hilbert curve.

>
> At such point that electric vehicles overwhelmingly dominate the market and
> internal combustion vehicles fade away, the trope of committing suicide by
> locking oneself in the garage and running the engine will disappear as well.

You can still go stick your head in a oven. Though now you have to turn
it on first.

Xho

[Questor]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 14:00:25 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:37:48 GMT, use...@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>>Is it just me, or do all the sportcasters on the local TV news programs seem to
>>be shouting their reports?
>
>It's not just you.

Heh heh. (grin)

>>I have fairly simple desires. For example, I'd like to live for one full year,
>>-- all four seasons -- at Fallingwater.
>Better bring an umbrella; the roof of his structures had a reputation
>for leaking.

Still would be worth it, for a year. I know someone who works for the
organization that's reponsible for the property; I'll shoot them an e-mail
and ask about its roof.

>>At such point that electric vehicles overwhelmingly dominate the market and
>>internal combustion vehicles fade away, the trope of committing suicide by
>>locking oneself in the garage and running the engine will disappear as well.
>
>Electrocution by car charger?

Is the output of the typical charger sufficient to be certain the intial contact
will kill instantly? Because otherwise that seems like a gruesome way to go,
compared to slowly asphyxiating through carbon monoxide poisoning.

>>In the television program "The Green Hornet," his car, the Black Beauty, is
>>stored upside down under the garage floor. I wonder what problems a real car
>>might develop if it was stored upside down.
>If you are going to run the engine while the car is upside down, the
>first thing that comes to mind is that the gas will all be at the top
>of the tank, and the fuel pump won't be able to pump it to the engine.
>The car mavens advise that the oil system depends on oil flowing DOWN
>through the engine, and if it could be run the engine would soon be
>destroyed.

In the show, the cars are stored upside down, but they are apparently only run
right side up. Your response immediately brings to mind two problems. There
are a lot of fluids in a car, and the various components that contain them may
not do so when they're upside down. And if you don't have that leakage, when
you turn the car right side up, you'll have to wait until all the fluids,
particularly the oil, flow back down to wherever.

--
Simon says that now your mind desires a vacation, free to join in fun
and plenty recreation

[Les Albert]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 20:56:38 GMT, use...@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 14:00:25 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:37:48 GMT, use...@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:

>>>I have fairly simple desires. For example, I'd like to live for one full year,
>>>-- all four seasons -- at Fallingwater.

>>Better bring an umbrella; the roof of his structures had a reputation
>>for leaking.

>Still would be worth it, for a year. I know someone who works for the
>organization that's reponsible for the property; I'll shoot them an e-mail
>and ask about its roof.

They may think you are making fun of them. Here is an excerpt from
https://www.bobvila.com/articles/famous-houses-leaky-roofs/ :
"When client Herbert Johnson was deciding whether or not to hire Frank
Lloyd Wright, he visited the Lloyd-Jones House, a home Wright had
designed in Tulsa. Arriving in a downpour, Johnson found that it was
raining indoors, too. The floor was dotted with containers
strategically positioned so as to catch the drops. Mrs. Lloyd-Jones
dryly observed, 'This is what happens when you leave a work of art out
in the rain.' The prospective client nonetheless commissioned a house.
'If the roof doesn’t leak, the architect hasn’t been creative enough.'
So said another Johnson, the irreverent Philip. He once told an
audience at Yale that he regarded Wright’s iconic Fallingwater as a
'pioneer work.' In a typically witty aside, Johnson observed that it
was 'a seventeen-bucket house. He then had the good grace to admit
that his own Glass House was 'a six-bucket house.' "

>>>At such point that electric vehicles overwhelmingly dominate the market and
>>>internal combustion vehicles fade away, the trope of committing suicide by
>>>locking oneself in the garage and running the engine will disappear as well.

>>Electrocution by car charger?

>Is the output of the typical charger sufficient to be certain the intial contact
>will kill instantly? Because otherwise that seems like a gruesome way to go,
>compared to slowly asphyxiating through carbon monoxide poisoning.

I don't know the output of an EV car charger, but I was thinking that
if you pur one foot in a bucket of water and dropped the plugged-in
charger end in the bucket, you could do fairly decent job of it. It
sounds like a good plot for a murder mystery story.

Les

[Questor]

In the show, there are clamps that hold onto the rim of the wheel. Don't know
if that is feasible in real life.

--
My possessions are causing me suspicion but there's no proof

[Questor]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:50:42 -0400, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt <xho...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 8/30/21 6:37 AM, Questor wrote:
>>I think that in cities that are largely laid out in a grid pattern, public
>>transit buses should travel in a square wave pattern up and down on the avenues
>>and back and forth on the cross streets. it Seems to me there would be a bus
>>coming along every few minutes, and one could get anywhere in the grid with just
>>one transfer from an avenue bus to a cross street bus (or vice versa).
>
>I'd rather transfer buses and get there in 40 minutes than spend 36
>hours on a single Hilbert curve.

Well that's the idea. You don't stay on one bus. You take an avenue bus to the
appropriate cross street, then take a cross street bus to your destination. The
flaw in my idea is that it may take too many buses to insure timely service.

--
Sure I like country music; I like mandolins
But right now I need a telecaster, through a Vibrolux turned up to ten

[Michael Trew]

On 8/30/2021 6:37 AM, Questor wrote:
> I have fairly simple desires. For example, I'd like to live for one full year,
> -- all four seasons -- at Fallingwater.

I've gone to tour it at least once. It is a beautiful house, and IIRC,
was the first residential abode to make use of tube fluorescent
lighting. I saw Frank Lloyd Wright on What's My Line (youtube), a mid
century appearance, and he was 90+ years old. Very interesting man.

That being said, you wouldn't want to own and maintain it. The way the
house was built over the waterfall, it has mold issues, and the concrete
and structure has been damaged over the years. I was told that it's
quite costly to keep the structure safe and intact.

The Kaufman family (Pittsburgh PA department store) were the original
owners who had Mr. Wright build the house. I believe it was their
vacation home. They wanted it near the waterfall, and IIRC, they
weren't entirely happy that it was built *over* the waterfall. The
house was somewhat damp inside, and had a lot of spiders.

> We may have covered this before, but it bears repeating: if I order a pizza
> that is one-half pepperoni and mushroom, and one-half sausage and onion,
> then that counts as only two items, not four. Similarly, charging any extra fee
> to split a pizza in such a manner is simply opportunistic money-grubbing and is
> to be excoriated.

I've never tried to order such a pizza, but I do agree, that is how it
should be. I don't order many toppings if I do get a pizza. I usually
make them myself from scratch.

> In the television program "The Green Hornet," his car, the Black Beauty, is
> stored upside down under the garage floor. I wonder what problems a real car
> might develop if it was stored upside down.

Lots of issues there. The fuel would run out of the carburetor, for
one, and naturally aspirated engines would have trouble pulling anything
into it upside down. Even with modern fuel injected cars, I could
imagine that fuel leaking out, oil leaking out and not staying in the
pan, and several other fluid issues, among other things, would prevail.
Probably the worst of which being the oil leaking out, and the engine
not having having oil in the pan to pump through the engine.

[Richard Hershberger]

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 2:39:36 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 8/30/2021 6:37 AM, Questor wrote:
> > I have fairly simple desires. For example, I'd like to live for one full year,
> > -- all four seasons -- at Fallingwater.
> I've gone to tour it at least once. It is a beautiful house, and IIRC,
> was the first residential abode to make use of tube fluorescent
> lighting. I saw Frank Lloyd Wright on What's My Line (youtube), a mid
> century appearance, and he was 90+ years old. Very interesting man.
>
> That being said, you wouldn't want to own and maintain it. The way the
> house was built over the waterfall, it has mold issues, and the concrete
> and structure has been damaged over the years. I was told that it's
> quite costly to keep the structure safe and intact.
>
> The Kaufman family (Pittsburgh PA department store) were the original
> owners who had Mr. Wright build the house. I believe it was their
> vacation home. They wanted it near the waterfall, and IIRC, they
> weren't entirely happy that it was built *over* the waterfall. The
> house was somewhat damp inside, and had a lot of spiders.

My impression is that many of his buildings, while very pretty, are not actually very practical. This is something of a pet peeve of mine: celebrity architects who produce artistic statements where what we need is a functional building.

Richard Hershberger

[Michael Trew]

Yes, I agree to that. I have a late Victorian home, circa 1900. It's a
beautiful house, but very expensive to heat. That, and the maintence
and upkeep is hefty as well. I mean, it's practical enough, but for
just me in this 1,800 sq ft home (not including finished plastered attic
and basement), it's a bit much. I have a friend that lives in a small
post-war cookie-cutter type home, 800-some sq ft single story house, and
his gas bill is less than a third of mine to heat the house.

[Boron Elgar]

An aquaintance worked in the SC Johnson building. She said it leaked
like a sieve and it was impossible to keep up with the water on the
floor when it happened. Lot of people took spills in puddles. Women
were required to wear heels back in those days and those shoes made
the puddle all the more fun.

She also said the chairs were like medieval torture devices.

[Snidely]

On Monday, Questor pointed out that ...

> If I had the money and the space, I'd like to have a George Rhoads
> "audiokinetic" sculpture in my home. I just learned that sadly he passed
> away early last month.

"I sadly just learned that he passed away early last month"
"I just learned that he passed away sadly early last month"
"I just learned that he sadly passed away early last month"

Whereas Donald Knuth has his own pipe organ in his home. That, in a
sense, is audio-kinetic. There's some oootoobs of it in action.

/dps

--
Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?

[Snidely]

Lo, on the 9/1/2021, Questor did proclaim ...

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:50:42 -0400, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
> <xho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/30/21 6:37 AM, Questor wrote:

>>> I think that in cities that are largely laid out in a grid pattern, public
>>> transit buses should travel in a square wave pattern up and down on the
>>> avenues and back and forth on the cross streets. it Seems to me there
>>> would be a bus coming along every few minutes, and one could get anywhere
>>> in the grid with just one transfer from an avenue bus to a cross street bus
>>> (or vice versa).
>>
>> I'd rather transfer buses and get there in 40 minutes than spend 36
>> hours on a single Hilbert curve.

That's a relatively new idea. You say there's a worm in the apple?

> Well that's the idea. You don't stay on one bus. You take an avenue bus to
> the appropriate cross street, then take a cross street bus to your
> destination. The flaw in my idea is that it may take too many buses to
> insure timely service.

You can't write a bus schedule that makes everyone happy. And many
cities can't write a bus schedule.

/dps

--
There's nothing inherently wrong with Big Data. What matters, as it
does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are
the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us
ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)

[Snidely]

Snidely pounded on thar keyboard to tell us

> Les Albert submitted this response:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:37:48 GMT, use...@only.tnx (Questor) wrote:
>
>> ...
>>> I think that in cities that are largely laid out in a grid pattern, public
>>> transit buses should travel in a square wave pattern up and down on the
>>> avenues and back and forth on the cross streets. it Seems to me there
>>> would be a bus coming along every few minutes, and one could get anywhere
>>> in the grid with just one transfer from an avenue bus to a cross street
>>> bus (or vice versa).
>>
>> Parts of New York City have a grid set-up like that. I used to travel
>> from 21st St. on the east side to about the level of 8th St. and
>> transfer to get to the far west side of Greenwich Village.
>
> Parts of Orange County have a setup like that. At one point I was using it,
> and it made for long rides.
>
> (It's not actually a square wave; the southbound buses on Route X don't
> become northbound buses on Route X+1, they simply u-turn.)
>
> (Further, on many routes, there are several buses southbound on Route X at
> the same time, separated by a prescribed headway. There are at the same time
> several buses northbound on Route X, separated by the same prescribed
> headway. That headway, even on busy routes like Katella and like Harbor or
> beach, was enough to make for few convenient transfers.)
>
> I am very happy not to be scheduling bus services.

I will note that because the OC grid isn't aligned with the OC coast,
there are inevitably diagonal routes. There was even one that would
have been perfect for my commute ... if I could get up at 5 am every
day, and be finished with my office work by 4:30 pm every day.

/dps

--
"Inviting people to laugh with you while you are laughing at yourself
is a good thing to do, You may be a fool but you're the fool in
charge." -- Carl Reiner

[Bob]

This is true. Mostly to be useful what you need as a building is a box. Not much scope for the architect to pretty that up without sacrifices. It should be the decorators and landscapers who pretty them. You want pretty, put a painting on your wall. Outside, a mural.

[Questor]

On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 00:42:38 -0700, Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, Questor pointed out that ...
>> If I had the money and the space, I'd like to have a George Rhoads
>> "audiokinetic" sculpture in my home. I just learned that sadly he passed
>> away early last month.
>
>"I sadly just learned that he passed away early last month"
>"I just learned that he passed away sadly early last month"
>"I just learned that he sadly passed away early last month"

I hit Walter Cronkite in the nose.
Only I hit Walter Cronkite in the nose.
I only hit Walter Cronkite in the nose.
I hit only Walter Cronkite in the nose.
I hit Walter Cronkite only in the nose.
I hit Walter Cronkite in the nose only.

--
You're lost sailor; you've been way too long at sea
Now the shore-lights beckon; yeah there's a price for being free

[Questor]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Richard Hershberger <rrh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

It's one thing if the building is inferior because of substandard materials or
poor workmanship. Can we know if that's the case with the leaky FLW buildings,
or is due to some design flaw?

Another issue is what I would call "livability." Does the floor plan of the
house ease or hinder the way its residents conduct their daily lives? It's
something I don't know much about, only that I noticed a difference when,
for example, I moved from a small, cozy apartment into a ranch-style house.
Previously the kitchen, entertainment center, work desk, and bathroom were all
within steps of each other. Now the bedrooms and bathrooms are at one end of
the house and the kitchen is at the other end, fifty feet away. It makes a
difference in how I perform everyday tasks. So I wonder if some of these
architectural wonders, while beautiful to look at, would be uncomfortable to
live in?

--
Spent some time feelin' inferior, standing in front of my mirror
Combed my hair in a thousand ways, but I came out looking just the same

[Michael Trew]

Most likely, depending on personal preference. I like the floor plan in
old homes, personally. I like separate rooms, bedrooms being upstairs,
etc. Open floor plan does not resonate with me, I'd much prefer the
kitchen to be closed off. Every taste and definition of comfort and
workability is different from person to person. I would be very
uncomfortable in a large, open house.

As I recall, Fallingwater was very spread out and lofty, and it was a
hike from say, the bedrooms to the living area. It was fun to tour, but
I imagine that living there would be a chore, aside from the
aforementioned upkeep.

[Howard]

use...@only.tnx (Questor) wrote :

> On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 09:25:33 -0700 (PDT), Richard Hershberger

>>My impression is that many of his buildings, while very pretty, are
>>not actually very practical. This is something of a pet peeve of
>>mine: celebrity architects who produce artistic statements where what
>>we need is a functional building.
>
> It's one thing if the building is inferior because of substandard
> materials or poor workmanship. Can we know if that's the case with
> the leaky FLW buildings, or is due to some design flaw?

If you search FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT HOUSE LEAKY ROOF you get a sense it was
a mix of both bad materials, workmanship and designs.

Accounts pop up of things like concrete that lacked enough
reinforcement, skylights that weren't square and were pitched to send
water toward the inside of the roof instead of outward. It sounds like
he tended to ignore little details that mattered, like managing how
roofs met chimneys or creating vestibules for keeping things from
crossing into the house.

[John Halpenny]

He did like flat roofs, which were not common in those days, and possibly few builders knew how to seal them well.

John

[Howard]

John Halpenny <j.hal...@rogers.com> wrote

>> Accounts pop up of things like concrete that lacked enough
>> reinforcement, skylights that weren't square and were pitched to send
>> water toward the inside of the roof instead of outward. It sounds
>> like he tended to ignore little details that mattered, like managing
>> how roofs met chimneys or creating vestibules for keeping things from
>> crossing into the house.
>
> He did like flat roofs, which were not common in those days, and
> possibly few builders knew how to seal them well.

Hey, welcome back. How's England these days?

Parts of the US have a lot of rowhouses with flat roofs on the same
model as rowhouses in England, but as I'm sure you know the big
difference is they're pitched with the street side a few feet higher
than the back, so the rain drains off pretty quickly. Frank Lloyd Wright
designed a lot of flat roofs that weren't angled, and the drainage was a
mess as a result.

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