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Jeff

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Jan 7, 2003, 8:28:53 PM1/7/03
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The other night I watched "Fargo" for the first time and found it a rather
interesting movie, one I liked a lot.

But tell me, do people in North Dakota *really* talk like that or were they
severely exaggerated for the movie?

J

Al Yellon

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Jan 7, 2003, 8:38:34 PM1/7/03
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"Jeff" <the_dudeATbongoboy.com> wrote in message
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Ya hey dere, dey really do.

(With apologies to any North Dakotans here)


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Gary S. Callison

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Jan 7, 2003, 8:58:51 PM1/7/03
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Al Yellon (aye...@REMOVEcolgateTHISalumni.org) wrote:
: "Jeff" <the_dudeATbongoboy.com> wrote:
: > The other night I watched "Fargo" for the first time and found it a

: > rather interesting movie, one I liked a lot.
: > But tell me, do people in North Dakota *really* talk like that or were
: > they severely exaggerated for the movie?
: Ya hey dere, dey really do.
: (With apologies to any North Dakotans here)

Wasn't the bulk of the movie in Brainerd, or St Cloud, or someplace else
decidedly Minnesota-ey?

I mention this because I dunno shit from North Dakota, but I lived in
Winona MN for a couple years, and my mom is from northern Wisconsin, and
yah hey, dey all sure do talk like dat, dontchaknow. It's the reknowned
Norwegian Bachelor Farmer Drawl.

Mom said the accents made her homesick. Mostly, it just reminded me of
this girl named... ...hell, what was her name? LeeAnn, I think...
...anyways, she wouldn't sleep with me.

--
Huey "Can't remember too many 'Sven and Ole' jokes, dough" Callison

N Jill Marsh

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Jan 7, 2003, 9:00:13 PM1/7/03
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:28:53 -0500, Jeff
<the_dudeATbongoboy.com>wrote:

North Dakota? I always associate that movie with Minnesota, for some
reason, must be the Prince cameo.

Yes, the regional accent up there is very like what you heard in the
movie. Of course, most everyone 'local' in the movie spoke a strong
version of the accent, whereas if you went and visited there you'd
find lots of variation in the local accent, just as you do anywhere.

nj"funny looking"m

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connection with a person of prominence. Make sure the
world knows the fortune and influence of your family
connections. Be sedulous in your attentions."

Al Yellon

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Jan 7, 2003, 9:08:16 PM1/7/03
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"Gary S. Callison" <hu...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
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> Al Yellon (aye...@REMOVEcolgateTHISalumni.org) wrote:
> : "Jeff" <the_dudeATbongoboy.com> wrote:
> : > The other night I watched "Fargo" for the first time and found it a
> : > rather interesting movie, one I liked a lot.
> : > But tell me, do people in North Dakota *really* talk like that or were
> : > they severely exaggerated for the movie?
> : Ya hey dere, dey really do.
> : (With apologies to any North Dakotans here)
>
> Wasn't the bulk of the movie in Brainerd, or St Cloud, or someplace else
> decidedly Minnesota-ey?

Brainerd is correct.

IIRC, Fargo was where the main character played by William H. Macy lived,
but the murders that took place occurred in Brainerd.

Cary Kittrell

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Jan 7, 2003, 9:51:33 PM1/7/03
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I asked an old girlfriend (who means NOTHING to me now. I swear it)
about just that, her being from that part of the country and all.
She said that yes, in the more rural parts they indeed may talk
just like that.

She also offered that she thinks it actually appears to have been shot
somwehere around Bismarck, but that probably no one would have
gone to see it if they had called it "Bismarck".


-- cary

Francis Lapeyre

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Jan 7, 2003, 10:05:38 PM1/7/03
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"Jeff" <the_dudeATbongoboy.com> wrote in message
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The movie was set in Minnesota, not North Dakota. Why they called it "Fargo"
is beyond me.

Yah, they do talk like that.

--

Francis

Address is filtered by SpamCop.

Jim Ellwanger

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Jan 8, 2003, 12:09:53 AM1/8/03
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In article <kKLS9.729$F9.2...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net>,
"Al Yellon" <aye...@REMOVEcolgateTHISalumni.org> wrote:

> "Gary S. Callison" <hu...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
> news:vBLS9.726$F9.2...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net...
>

> > Wasn't the bulk of the movie in Brainerd, or St Cloud, or someplace else
> > decidedly Minnesota-ey?
>
> Brainerd is correct.
>
> IIRC, Fargo was where the main character played by William H. Macy lived,
> but the murders that took place occurred in Brainerd.

Almost all of the movie takes place in Minneapolis and Brainerd; William
H. Macy's character works at an Oldsmobile dealer in Minneapolis. Fargo
is the place where he ends up trying to escape to (i.e., across the
state line). Also, I seem to recall that the kidnappers he hired are
said to be from Fargo.

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Marc Fleury

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Jan 8, 2003, 12:37:26 AM1/8/03
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Mike Koenecke <mkoe...@spamhole.com> wrote:

>Fargo was where the killers were from. The husband traveled there to
>hire them to kill his wife.

He hired them to *kidnap* his wife.


--
Marc.

Blinky the Shark

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Jan 8, 2003, 1:15:20 AM1/8/03
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N Jill Marsh wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:28:53 -0500, Jeff
><the_dudeATbongoboy.com>wrote:
>
>>The other night I watched "Fargo" for the first time and found it a rather
>>interesting movie, one I liked a lot.
>>
>>But tell me, do people in North Dakota *really* talk like that or were they
>>severely exaggerated for the movie?
>
> North Dakota? I always associate that movie with Minnesota, for some
> reason, must be the Prince cameo.

See, Fargo is a city in North Dakota.

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Eric Boyd

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Jan 8, 2003, 1:43:54 AM1/8/03
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"Jim Ellwanger" <trai...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Almost all of the movie takes place in Minneapolis and Brainerd; William
> H. Macy's character works at an Oldsmobile dealer in Minneapolis. Fargo
> is the place where he ends up trying to escape to (i.e., across the
> state line). Also, I seem to recall that the kidnappers he hired are
> said to be from Fargo.

I thought the initial meeting with the kidnappers took place in Fargo. Isn't
this correct?

-E


Blinky the Shark

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Jan 8, 2003, 2:50:58 AM1/8/03
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> N Jill Marsh wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:28:53 -0500, Jeff
>><the_dudeATbongoboy.com>wrote:
>>
>>>The other night I watched "Fargo" for the first time and found it a rather
>>>interesting movie, one I liked a lot.
>>>
>>>But tell me, do people in North Dakota *really* talk like that or were they
>>>severely exaggerated for the movie?
>>
>> North Dakota? I always associate that movie with Minnesota, for some
>> reason, must be the Prince cameo.
>
> See, Fargo is a city in North Dakota.

Still, everybody else remembers that a lot of the film was set in
Minnesota. I lose, again. :)

ra...@westnet.poe.com

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Jan 8, 2003, 8:48:46 AM1/8/03
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In article <ikvm1v4bduk2apbt1...@4ax.com> Jeff <use...@bongoboy.com> writes:
<The other night I watched "Fargo" for the first time and found it a rather
<interesting movie, one I liked a lot.
<
<But tell me, do people in North Dakota *really* talk like that or were they
<severely exaggerated for the movie?

Some what exaggerated on average, and of course regional accents are
dieing off any-way.

Fartgo excerpt from my railtrip:
Monday (8th): Fargo ND: The Fargo Amtrak station is open from
midnight to 7am only *The Empire Builder is the only train to
service Fargo). The town is totally dead at this hour. We wait
around until 5 am and then ask where we can get some coffee at this
hour: walk 6 blocks to the 24 hr. "Fryn' Pan" to find that they're
closed until 6am for ceiling tile cleaning. Buy a paper (They need
temporary help for the sugar beet harvest, the wheat isn't doing
too well, but if the "killer frost" can hold of until after the
average Sep 23rd arrival date, most farmers can squeak by) and
watch as about a dozen grumpy Fargonians show up and find the place
closed. We get breakfast and then call the rental car company for
a pick-up. The guy shows up and we get a ride (through this crazy
thick fog) and a comedy show: "Welcome to fargo, Don't forget to
set your watch back 35 years." We get our car and off we go.
On the road: Taking I-25(?) South, We get off at Galchutt
looking for a restroom and some soda ("pop" out here). We drive
right through "town" without seeing anything other than a half
dozen widely separated houses. Turning around we spot a hand
painted sign for a cafe with an arrow pointing down a dirt road.
1/2 mi. down the road is the local "betterment society" and cafe in
a converted school. After getting some "pop" and heading on out,
Alison and I reflect that we are really in a foreign land."

John
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Charles A Lieberman

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Jan 8, 2003, 9:52:58 AM1/8/03
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In article <avg3nl$rk9$1...@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu>,
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:

> She also offered that she thinks it actually appears to have been shot
> somwehere around Bismarck, but that probably no one would have
> gone to see it if they had called it "Bismarck".

I saw _Michael Collins_.

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Dave Wilton

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Jan 8, 2003, 11:05:58 AM1/8/03
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Yes, the entire movie, except for the first (and maybe last) scene,
takes place in Minnesota. The first scene, where Macy hires the
kidnappers, is set in Fargo.

I forget where the final scene, where the police finally catch Macy,
is set.

--Dave Wilton
da...@wilton.net
http://www.wordorigins.org

Robert Goodman

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Jan 8, 2003, 12:26:51 PM1/8/03
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"Al Yellon" <aye...@REMOVEcolgateTHISalumni.org> wrote in message
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> "Jeff" <the_dudeATbongoboy.com> wrote in message
> news:ikvm1v4bduk2apbt1...@4ax.com...
> > The other night I watched "Fargo" for the first time and found it a
rather
> > interesting movie, one I liked a lot.
> >
> > But tell me, do people in North Dakota *really* talk like that or
were
> they
> > severely exaggerated for the movie?
>
> Ya hey dere, dey really do.

Somehow I have trouble shaking the impression that such accents are
Canadian Prairie. I guess it straddles the border.


N Jill Marsh

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Jan 8, 2003, 1:59:23 PM1/8/03
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On 8 Jan 2003 06:15:20 GMT, Blinky the Shark
<no....@box.invalid>wrote:

>N Jill Marsh wrote:

(Fargo)

>> North Dakota? I always associate that movie with Minnesota, for some
>> reason, must be the Prince cameo.
>
>See, Fargo is a city in North Dakota.

See, _Paris, France_ is one of my favourite movies.

nj"...but really, doesn't it all come down to fellatio?"m

"8. Have the best coach around equipped with the fastest
horses. Make certain that everyone knows about it;
do not trust to people's powers of observation."

Blinky the Shark

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N Jill Marsh wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2003 06:15:20 GMT, Blinky the Shark
><no....@box.invalid>wrote:
>
>>N Jill Marsh wrote:
>
> (Fargo)
>
>>> North Dakota? I always associate that movie with Minnesota, for some
>>> reason, must be the Prince cameo.
>>
>>See, Fargo is a city in North Dakota.
>
> See, _Paris, France_ is one of my favourite movies.

Must be a sequel for "French Kiss". ;)

Anyway. Everyone says "Fargo" mostly does take place in Minnesota. I
didn't remember that, if it was evident. All looked the same to me.

--
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N Jill Marsh

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Jan 8, 2003, 3:58:11 PM1/8/03
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On 8 Jan 2003 20:26:49 GMT, Blinky the Shark
<no....@box.invalid>wrote:

>N Jill Marsh wrote:
>> On 8 Jan 2003 06:15:20 GMT, Blinky the Shark
>>

>>>See, Fargo is a city in North Dakota.
>>
>> See, _Paris, France_ is one of my favourite movies.
>
>Must be a sequel for "French Kiss". ;)

Eew. Very definitely not, I would have noticed any smooching before
the fellatio, I'm sure.

>Anyway. Everyone says "Fargo" mostly does take place in Minnesota. I
>didn't remember that, if it was evident. All looked the same to me.

Heh, I just looked up _Paris, France_ in the imdb, and the synopsis
places the storyline in Paris, which it isn't*, and another comment
explains its eccentricities as saying it's a French movie, after all,
which it isn't**.

nj"so you're in some kind of company"m

*Is in Toronto, which bears little resemblance to Paris, though the
short scenes in Paris that do occur in the movie kind of look like
Kansas.

**Too hot for Cannes, baby!

Al Yellon

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"Dave Wilton" <da...@wilton.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, the entire movie, except for the first (and maybe last) scene,
> takes place in Minnesota. The first scene, where Macy hires the
> kidnappers, is set in Fargo.
>
> I forget where the final scene, where the police finally catch Macy,
> is set.

A little googling discovered this gem of a page with tons of info and links
about "Fargo":

http://www.brainerddispatch.com/fargo/

which includes the line under each link, "click dis line here".

The entire movie was shot in the Brainerd area; see specifically:

http://www.brainerddispatch.com/fargo/fargonotbrd.shtml

Blinky the Shark

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Jan 8, 2003, 8:05:13 PM1/8/03
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N Jill Marsh wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2003 20:26:49 GMT, Blinky the Shark
><no....@box.invalid>wrote:
>
>>N Jill Marsh wrote:
>>> On 8 Jan 2003 06:15:20 GMT, Blinky the Shark
>>>
>>>>See, Fargo is a city in North Dakota.
>>>
>>> See, _Paris, France_ is one of my favourite movies.
>>
>>Must be a sequel for "French Kiss". ;)
>
> Eew. Very definitely not, I would have noticed any smooching before
> the fellatio, I'm sure.
>
>>Anyway. Everyone says "Fargo" mostly does take place in Minnesota. I
>>didn't remember that, if it was evident. All looked the same to me.
>
> Heh, I just looked up _Paris, France_ in the imdb, and the synopsis
> places the storyline in Paris, which it isn't*, and another comment
> explains its eccentricities as saying it's a French movie, after all,
> which it isn't**.

Well, goddammit, I do know where "Escape from New York" and "Escape from
LA" were set, and we're not talkin' Vancouver and Purdue, here. :)

> nj"so you're in some kind of company"m
>
> *Is in Toronto, which bears little resemblance to Paris, though the
> short scenes in Paris that do occur in the movie kind of look like
> Kansas.

Black and white?

N Jill Marsh

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Jan 8, 2003, 9:51:55 PM1/8/03
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On 9 Jan 2003 01:05:13 GMT, Blinky the Shark
<no....@box.invalid>wrote:

>N Jill Marsh wrote:

(re: the setting of the movie _Paris, France_)

>> *Is in Toronto, which bears little resemblance to Paris, though the
>> short scenes in Paris that do occur in the movie kind of look like
>> Kansas.
>
>Black and white?

Yeah, with unusual sex scenes and blood.

nj"and here I am stuck in a motel room with the only man in Toronto
who still prefers..."m

Jim Ellwanger

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Jan 8, 2003, 10:39:42 PM1/8/03
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In article <slrnb1p2cb....@dora.blinkynet.net>,

Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

> Anyway. Everyone says "Fargo" mostly does take place in Minnesota. I
> didn't remember that, if it was evident. All looked the same to me.

Well, one big clue is the exterior shots of Minneapolis...there aren't
any cities that big in North Dakota.

Also, they managed to get some Minnesota state highway markers in the
film, too, if I recall correctly.

Al Yellon

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"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote in message
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> nj"and here I am stuck in a motel room with the only man in Toronto
> who still prefers..."m

Prefers... what, exactly?

N Jill Marsh

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Jan 9, 2003, 5:28:16 PM1/9/03
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:59:13 GMT, "Al Yellon"
<aye...@REMOVEcolgateTHISalumni.org>wrote:

>"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote in message
>news:upop1v03lg7u82gt5...@4ax.com...
>> nj"and here I am stuck in a motel room with the only man in Toronto
>> who still prefers..."m
>
>Prefers... what, exactly?

Rent the movie. Make sure the kids are asleep, and amuse yourself by
saying "did it !" "didn't do it!" throughout the movie.

nj"oh, and call your parents"m

Andrew Gore

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On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:28:16 -0500, N Jill Marsh <njm...@storm.ca>
wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:59:13 GMT, "Al Yellon"
><aye...@REMOVEcolgateTHISalumni.org>wrote:
>
>>"N Jill Marsh" <njm...@storm.ca> wrote in message
>>news:upop1v03lg7u82gt5...@4ax.com...
>>> nj"and here I am stuck in a motel room with the only man in Toronto
>>> who still prefers..."m
>>
>>Prefers... what, exactly?
>
>Rent the movie. Make sure the kids are asleep, and amuse yourself by
>saying "did it !" "didn't do it!" throughout the movie.
>
>nj"oh, and call your parents"m
>

And what should I call my parents?

Bob Ahnmeischaft

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Jan 12, 2003, 7:23:16 AM1/12/03
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"Mike Koenecke" <mkoe...@spamhole.com> wrote:
Quoth "Francis Lapeyre":

> >The movie was set in Minnesota, not North Dakota. Why they called it
"Fargo"
> >is beyond me.
>

> Fargo was where the killers were from. The husband traveled there to
> hire them to kill his wife.

Plus, there's the fact that absolutely nobody would go to see a film called
"Brainerd."

Jason "Well, nobody who didn't live there" Q.


Bob Ahnmeischaft

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Jan 12, 2003, 7:24:59 AM1/12/03
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You know, I met a woman from the Dakotas (Sioux Falls actually) last week,
and she talked like dat hey, except not so pronounced. She couldn't figure
out at first why I knew she was from the Dakotas. It was kinda amusing, ya
know

Jason


Bob Ahnmeischaft

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Jan 12, 2003, 7:45:14 AM1/12/03
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<ra...@westnet.poe.com> wrote

> On the road: Taking I-25(?)

29.

> South, We get off at Galchutt
> looking for a restroom and some soda ("pop" out here). We drive
> right through "town" without seeing anything other than a half
> dozen widely separated houses.

That pretty much sums up the Dakotas right there. We drove Omaha->Rapid
City via I-90 last August, and lemme tell you, there's Absolutely Fucking
Nothing out there.

Okay, that's an exaggeration, but west of Sioux Falls, there ain't much.
There's Mitchell, with the fabulously corny Corn Palace and Cabelas, which
The Boy enjoyed immensely for all the dead & stuffed animals; there's the
Missouri River, which is wide and impressive where I-90 crosses it at
Chamberlain.

After that, there's pretty much nothing till you get to Wall, about 2 1/2
hours away. And there ain't much in Wall.

It took a while for me to figure out what was "wrong" with the scenery I was
seeing, especially west of the Missouri. There were no overpasses over the
Interstate, nor were there any grain silos, or indeed any visible
farmsteads. Instead there were seemingly interminable pastures and
sunflower fields.

Jason


Carl Fink

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Jan 12, 2003, 9:25:51 AM1/12/03
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I'm amazed no one has mentioned the Japanese lunatic yet.
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Gary S. Callison

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Jan 12, 2003, 1:25:44 PM1/12/03
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Bob Ahnmeischaft (bob_ahnm...@hotmail.com) wrote:

You could probably get damn near everybody in Minnesota to go dere, ya hey.

Minneapolis bar-band Trip Shakespeare did a wonderful song called
"Toolmaster of Brainerd", sort of a "Jukebox Hero" in reverse. After they
broke up, one or two of the guys started Semisonic. The Semisonic web page
FAQ says "Q: Will you play Trip Shakespeare songs? A: Anything is
possible. But we will NEVER play 'Toolmaster'." Bummer, that.

--
Huey

Jim Ellwanger

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Jan 12, 2003, 5:02:39 PM1/12/03
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In article <IqiU9.240$gm1.1...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net>,

hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) wrote:

> Minneapolis bar-band Trip Shakespeare did a wonderful song called
> "Toolmaster of Brainerd", sort of a "Jukebox Hero" in reverse. After they
> broke up, one or two of the guys started Semisonic. The Semisonic web page
> FAQ says "Q: Will you play Trip Shakespeare songs? A: Anything is
> possible. But we will NEVER play 'Toolmaster'." Bummer, that.

Bizarre obscure trivia note...This song led to a unique credit for the
prop man on Minneapolis-based "Mystery Science Theater 3000":
"Toolmaster Jef Maynard."

Greg Goss

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Jan 12, 2003, 6:24:58 PM1/12/03
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Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote:

>I'm amazed no one has mentioned the Japanese lunatic yet.

I speculated on a "Fargo II" a couple of times.

Bermuda999

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aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark)

>I can't believe you're picking a fight with me over this shit.

I want a divorce.

Asterbark

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bermu...@aol.com (Bermuda999) wrote:


You don't bring me flowers anymore.

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Bermuda999

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Jan 8, 2003, 7:51:52 PM1/8/03
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"Al Yellon"

>"Dave Wilton" <da...@wilton.net> wrote in message
>news:7tio1v00jtgd613co...@4ax.com...
>> Yes, the entire movie, except for the first (and maybe last) scene,
>> takes place in Minnesota. The first scene, where Macy hires the
>> kidnappers, is set in Fargo.
>>
>> I forget where the final scene, where the police finally catch Macy,
>> is set.
>
>A little googling discovered this gem of a page with tons of info and links
>about "Fargo":
>
>http://www.brainerddispatch.com/fargo/
>
>which includes the line under each link, "click dis line here".
>
>The entire movie was shot in the Brainerd area;

IMDb
Filming Locations for
Fargo (1996)

Brainerd, Minnesota, USA
Fargo, North Dakota, USA
Grand Forks, North Dakota, USA
Hallock, Minnesota, USA
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
Richfield, Minnesota, USA
St Louis Park, Minnesota, USA
Stillwater, Minnesota, USA
Willernie, Minnesota, USA

http://us.imdb.com/Locations?0116282

Bermuda999

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Jan 8, 2003, 8:23:28 PM1/8/03
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aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark)

>"Shot" and "set" mean two different things.

Um, thanks. Could you now explain how a hammer works?

The previous gentleman wrote: "The entire movie was shot in the Brainerd area"

I simply listed the filming locations from the IMDb. This would be a list of
the locations in which the movie was "shot".

>The movie is full of references
>to
>Minnesota, Brainerd in particular. Like people saying "Brainerd," emblems on
>uniforms and police cars, license plates, at least one shot of a freeway
>sign,
>and probably others I forgot, probably because I saw it broadcast on TNT and
>the cleaned up version uses a very strange and colorful collection of
>substitutes for the word "fuck." That in itself added quite a bit to the
>surreality.

I was among those in this thread pointing out that the film was largely set in
Minnesota and that almost all of the characters were Minnesotans.

Sean Houtman

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Jan 9, 2003, 12:57:59 AM1/9/03
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From: N Jill Marsh njm...@storm.ca

>nj"...but really, doesn't it all come down to fellatio?"m

I hope not. Tis better to give than to receive.

Sean

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NadCixelsyd

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Everything takes place in Minnesota except (A) Macy (Jerry Lundegard) meets the
kidnappers in the opening in Fargo, ND, and (B) Macy is arrested "Just outside
Bismark", ND.

Lundegard's arrest is not the final scene of the movie. The final scene is
Marge in bed with her husband, Norm, talking about the USPS putting Norm's
painting on a three cent stamp.

It's a great movie. Macy did a far better job than McDormand, who took best
actress for the role of Marge. He really played the part of a scumbag really
well.

Asterbark

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Jan 8, 2003, 8:52:04 PM1/8/03
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bermu...@aol.com (Bermuda999) wrote:

<snip>


>The previous gentleman wrote: "The entire movie was shot in the Brainerd
>area"


In reply to a statement about where the movie was set (I think Blinky wins for
least observant, but that wasn't him up there where I've snipped). Confirming
where the movie was shot doesn't answer the same question of being unsure where
it's set, or not noticing.


>
>>The movie is full of references
>>to
>>Minnesota, Brainerd in particular. Like people saying "Brainerd," emblems on
>>uniforms and police cars, license plates, at least one shot of a freeway
>>sign,

>>and probably others I forgot...


>
>I was among those in this thread pointing out that the film was largely set
>in
>Minnesota and that almost all of the characters were Minnesotans.


Goddamn goody for you. I noticed that a lot of people said the same thing over
and over again like they found out something new before I said anything, whyn't
you go bug them?

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Asterbark

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Jan 8, 2003, 9:15:27 PM1/8/03
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bermu...@aol.com (Bermuda999) wrote:


>aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark)
>


>>bermu...@aol.com (Bermuda999) wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>The previous gentleman wrote: "The entire movie was shot in the Brainerd
>>>area"
>>
>>
>>In reply to a statement about where the movie was set
>

>Then perhaps you shoud have replied to that gentleman, at that point in the
>thread which caused you consternation.


>
>> (I think Blinky wins
>>for
>>least observant, but that wasn't him up there where I've snipped).
>
>Confirming
>>where the movie was shot doesn't answer the same question of being unsure
>>where
>>it's set, or not noticing.
>

>That's right -- it answers a different question. You know, the one of being
>sure or unsure where it was shot, or not noticing.


>
>>>>The movie is full of references
>>>>to
>>>>Minnesota, Brainerd in particular. Like people saying "Brainerd," emblems
>>on
>>>>uniforms and police cars, license plates, at least one shot of a freeway
>>>>sign,
>>>>and probably others I forgot...
>>>
>>>I was among those in this thread pointing out that the film was largely set
>>>in
>>>Minnesota and that almost all of the characters were Minnesotans.
>>
>>
>>Goddamn goody for you. I noticed that a lot of people said the same thing
>>over
>>and over again like they found out something new before I said anything,
>>whyn't
>>you go bug them?
>

>Because none of them chose to respond directly to something I had written


Golly, Berm, don't take it personally. Sheesh.


>-(or tried to explain to me that there was a difference between "shot" and
>"set")
>-(or tried to explain to me the Minnesota basis of the movie as if I had not
>mentioned it myself in the first response to the originator of this thread).


I can't believe you're picking a fight with me over this shit. Look at the
thread, it's all redundant one-upmanship and fakey expert citations, train
journals, old girlfriends, and imdb. You're the only one in the thread who
didn't say, "Yes, they really do talk like that," which was the answer to the
question that was asked, although you were the first to respond, so I can't
fault you for being redundant.

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Asterbark

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bermu...@aol.com (Bermuda999) wrote:


"Shot" and "set" mean two different things. The movie is full of references to


Minnesota, Brainerd in particular. Like people saying "Brainerd," emblems on
uniforms and police cars, license plates, at least one shot of a freeway sign,

and probably others I forgot, probably because I saw it broadcast on TNT and
the cleaned up version uses a very strange and colorful collection of
substitutes for the word "fuck." That in itself added quite a bit to the
surreality.

--
Aster

Bermuda999

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Jan 8, 2003, 9:06:34 PM1/8/03
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aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark)

>bermu...@aol.com (Bermuda999) wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>The previous gentleman wrote: "The entire movie was shot in the Brainerd
>>area"
>
>
>In reply to a statement about where the movie was set

Then perhaps you shoud have replied to that gentleman, at that point in the


thread which caused you consternation.

> (I think Blinky wins


>for
>least observant, but that wasn't him up there where I've snipped).

Confirming
>where the movie was shot doesn't answer the same question of being unsure
>where
>it's set, or not noticing.

That's right -- it answers a different question. You know, the one of being
sure or unsure where it was shot, or not noticing.

>>>The movie is full of references
>>>to
>>>Minnesota, Brainerd in particular. Like people saying "Brainerd," emblems
>on
>>>uniforms and police cars, license plates, at least one shot of a freeway
>>>sign,
>>>and probably others I forgot...
>>
>>I was among those in this thread pointing out that the film was largely set
>>in
>>Minnesota and that almost all of the characters were Minnesotans.
>
>
>Goddamn goody for you. I noticed that a lot of people said the same thing
>over
>and over again like they found out something new before I said anything,
>whyn't
>you go bug them?

Because none of them chose to respond directly to something I had written

Greg Goss

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Jan 16, 2003, 7:12:08 AM1/16/03
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aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark) wrote:

>and probably others I forgot, probably because I saw it broadcast on TNT and
>the cleaned up version uses a very strange and colorful collection of
>substitutes for the word "fuck." That in itself added quite a bit to the
>surreality.

Sometimes I wonder if the TV edit can be bought somewhere.

I saw a version of Airplane on TV once in about 1992 or so. They
re-wrote and overdubbed so much that it became a hilarious movie just
in the contrast. Entire scenes were replaced with alternate scenes
(The two kids were midget schoolteachers).

Unfortunately I was babysitting, and had to deal with a situation. I
missed about half of it and never saw it again. Since then I have
seen a TV showing of a version much closer to the theater version.

Gary S. Callison

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Jan 16, 2003, 8:51:00 AM1/16/03
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Greg Goss (go...@gossg.org) wrote:
: Sometimes I wonder if the TV edit can be bought somewhere.

: I saw a version of Airplane on TV once in about 1992 or so. They
: re-wrote and overdubbed so much that it became a hilarious movie just
: in the contrast. Entire scenes were replaced with alternate scenes
: (The two kids were midget schoolteachers).

The TV edit of "Repo Man" is similarly silly, mostly because the word
'fuck' is featured so heavily in the original dialogue.

They replaced it with 'flip'. Hilarity ensues.

--
Huey "Flip ME? Flip YOU!" Callison

D.F. Manno

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Jan 16, 2003, 9:09:01 AM1/16/03
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In article <8NyV9.518$G72.1...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net>,

hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) wrote:

Some TV edits replace "fuck" with "forget." Makes no sense: "Forget
me? Forget you!"
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin)

Asterbark

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Jan 16, 2003, 12:17:55 PM1/16/03
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Greg Goss go...@gossg.org wrote:


>
>aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark) wrote:
>
>>and probably others I forgot, probably because I saw it broadcast on TNT and
>>the cleaned up version uses a very strange and colorful collection of
>>substitutes for the word "fuck." That in itself added quite a bit to the
>>surreality.
>
>Sometimes I wonder if the TV edit can be bought somewhere.


I'll try to get the name of the company my father's company uses to stock their
buses with new movies. They may be only b-to-b, but I think there would be a
public request for these versions, and should be available somewhere. If a
record or movie is sufficiently filthy, for example, I think Wal-mart stocks
the cleaned-up version.

>
>I saw a version of Airplane on TV once in about 1992 or so. They
>re-wrote and overdubbed so much that it became a hilarious movie just
>in the contrast. Entire scenes were replaced with alternate scenes
>(The two kids were midget schoolteachers).
>
>Unfortunately I was babysitting, and had to deal with a situation. I
>missed about half of it and never saw it again. Since then I have
>seen a TV showing of a version much closer to the theater version.


It may depend on whether the movie producers made the clean version themselves
in anticipation of eventual prime-time tv-broadcast, or if the stations that
played them had to get them cleaned up before showing them, each using a
different company. In the example of "Fargo" that I gave, it seemed like they
thought, "Well, we can't use *the* f-word, but we're going to make creative use
of a lot of other f-words," and consulted the dictionary. The WPIX broadcast
version of "Sixteen Candles" was just ridiculous, but on other channels, since
the expansion of cable, whatever language substitutions they tend to use mostly
make a little more sense and are less noticeable. Maybe only barely, it has
been a few years. I have a tape of "Airplane" back at my mother's that I taped
off a commercial broadcast channel some time in the late 80s, it may be the
ridiculous version you are looking for. As I recall (we as a family had a habit
of taping things, never to be watched), it was advertised to run without
commercials, but every 20 minutes a graphic would appear to identify the
station. I might have become annoyed at that and stopped the tape. I'll have
her mail it up to me and I'll look at it. Thanks for reminding me. :)

--
As"I can't believe my grandmother actually forgot my birthday!"ter

groo

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Jan 16, 2003, 12:38:01 PM1/16/03
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Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>

>
> As part of my closed-captioning job, I've seen two different TV edit
> versions of "The Fifth Element," one for ABC and one for UPN. ABC's was
> edited to fit into a 3-hour time slot. UPN's was edited to fit into a
> 2-hour time slot. The UPN version was almost unrecognizable.


They could have cut out every scene with Chris Tucker and vastly
improved the movie. His character had an obnoxious factor of 9.9 (where
Jar-Jar Binks = 10).

Briar Rose

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Jan 16, 2003, 1:06:47 PM1/16/03
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Gary S. Callison <hu...@interaccess.com> wrote:
>The TV edit of "Repo Man" is similarly silly, mostly because the word
>'fuck' is featured so heavily in the original dialogue.
>They replaced it with 'flip'. Hilarity ensues.

Aw, rats. I've never seen the TV edit of
Repo Man, but for years what I would have
*liked* to see was that movie with "smurf"
replacing every instance of "fuck."

"You're a bunch of smurfin' REPO MEN!"

:) Connie-Lynne

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Geoduck

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Jan 16, 2003, 1:35:08 PM1/16/03
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Mel Brooks' _Blazing Saddles_ is another that used to do this with its
TV broadcasts; vast chunks of dialogue were cut out, and a few bits
and pieces from the cutting room floor were spliced in. (Bart and the
Waco Kid's visit to a baptism ceremony being one...)

It's gotten slightly better in recent years, but it's still pretty
sliced up. One film that you definitely need to see on video/DVD to
enjoy.
--
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http://www.olywa.net/cook


Margaret Kane

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Jan 16, 2003, 1:49:47 PM1/16/03
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"Geoduck" <geo...@webave.com> wrote in message
news:3e26fabd...@nnrp.atgi.net...

> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:12:08 GMT, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
> >aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark) wrote:
> >
> >>and probably others I forgot, probably because I saw it broadcast on TNT
and
> >>the cleaned up version uses a very strange and colorful collection of
> >>substitutes for the word "fuck." That in itself added quite a bit to the
> >>surreality.
> >
> >Sometimes I wonder if the TV edit can be bought somewhere.
> >
> >I saw a version of Airplane on TV once in about 1992 or so. They
> >re-wrote and overdubbed so much that it became a hilarious movie just
> >in the contrast. Entire scenes were replaced with alternate scenes
> >(The two kids were midget schoolteachers).
> >
> >Unfortunately I was babysitting, and had to deal with a situation. I
> >missed about half of it and never saw it again. Since then I have
> >seen a TV showing of a version much closer to the theater version.
>
> Mel Brooks' _Blazing Saddles_ is another that used to do this with its
> TV broadcasts; vast chunks of dialogue were cut out, and a few bits
> and pieces from the cutting room floor were spliced in. (Bart and the
> Waco Kid's visit to a baptism ceremony being one...)

Channel 11 in New York used to bleep out "shtup," as in Lili von Shtupp.

Margaret


Lesmond

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Jan 16, 2003, 2:41:59 PM1/16/03
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Most non-pay channels still do that. But they let you see her name on the
posters.

"Lili von Shh..."


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Jan 16, 2003, 5:40:33 PM1/16/03
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D.F. Manno wrote:

> Some TV edits replace "fuck" with "forget." Makes no sense: "Forget
> me? Forget you!"

Well that's really forgotten. For forget's sake, what the forget's
wrong with real forgetting language? That's too forgotten for words,
the forgetting forgetters -- I mean, forget!

--
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Jan 16, 2003, 9:40:57 PM1/16/03
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>From: hu...@interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison)

>The TV edit of "Repo Man" is similarly silly, mostly because the word
>'fuck' is featured so heavily in the original dialogue.
>
>They replaced it with 'flip'. Hilarity ensues.

What I usually see is bad beeping. All 'FBEEPk you' and 'FBEEBk that!'.

Andrew Gore

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Jan 16, 2003, 9:40:49 PM1/16/03
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:46:57 GMT, Jim Ellwanger
<trai...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>On the DVD of "Airplane!", the Zucker brothers and Jim Abrahams allude

Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
Anybody know?

Nichole

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Jan 16, 2003, 10:05:49 PM1/16/03
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 02:40:49 GMT, Andrew Gore <dic...@earthlink.net>
wrote:


> Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
>named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
>Anybody know?

I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.

- Nichole ("Z-A-Z" fan)

Mr C

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Jan 16, 2003, 10:09:59 PM1/16/03
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geo...@webave.com (Geoduck) wrote in message news:<3e26fabd...@nnrp.atgi.net>...

One of the most egregious examples is "Stand By Me". Two particular
bits: in the junkyard, Chopper (the junkyard dog), the narrator
explains, has been trained to sic "certain parts of the anatomy".
Thus, you could hear the owner yell "Chopper, sic *balls*!" Well,
they change that to "Chopper, sic *kid*!" thereby rendering the whole
previous bit of narration into gibberish.

Second is the forgettin' climax of the whole forgettin' movie. Gordie
points a gun at Ace and says, "Suck my fat one, you cheap dimestore
hood!" He ends up saying, "You cheap dimestore hood!" and Ace's anger
is much less comprehensible. It ruins the climax of a very good film.
Ironic that when "Stand By Me" came out, my only reservation about it
was the gutter-mouths on those kids!

This happens everytime it shows on A&E or any of the Turner outlets.


Mr C (Biggest one in four counties)

Greg Goss

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Jan 16, 2003, 10:57:33 PM1/16/03
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aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark) wrote:

>
>>
>>I saw a version of Airplane on TV once in about 1992 or so. They
>>re-wrote and overdubbed so much that it became a hilarious movie just
>>in the contrast. Entire scenes were replaced with alternate scenes
>>(The two kids were midget schoolteachers).
>

>It may depend on whether the movie producers made the clean version themselves
>in anticipation of eventual prime-time tv-broadcast, or if the stations that
>played them had to get them cleaned up before showing them, each using a
>different company.

The edit people would need access to at least the cutting room recycle
bin. As I said, two of the actors were cast as entirely different
people in a scene unrelated to the scene we otherwise know them for.

CSR

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Jan 17, 2003, 5:17:16 AM1/17/03
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In article <slrnb2ed73....@dora.blinkynet.net>,
no....@box.invalid says...

> D.F. Manno wrote:
>
> > Some TV edits replace "fuck" with "forget." Makes no sense: "Forget
> > me? Forget you!"
>
> Well that's really forgotten. For forget's sake, what the forget's
> wrong with real forgetting language? That's too forgotten for words,
> the forgetting forgetters -- I mean, forget!

I seem to remember watching a Clint Eastwood movie on TV some years ago
where the word "dogshit" had been replaced by "dogmeat", as in "you're
a piece of dogmeat", "Well if I'm a piece of dogmeat then you're a fly
on a piece of dogmeat" or words to that effect. Quite hilarious. The
worst I ever saw/heard was the words "son of a bitch" bleeped out from
"The Princess Bride". Just sad.


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Dana Carpender

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Jan 16, 2003, 4:44:07 PM1/16/03
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Hilarious, that. I also love that they leave in the fart scene around
the campfire, but edit out the fart sounds -- so you have a bunch of
guys rising from their seats for no apparent reason whatsoever.

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Crashj

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Jan 17, 2003, 9:26:00 AM1/17/03
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groo <gr...@groo.org> wrote in message news:<3E26EDF4...@groo.org>...

> Jim Ellwanger wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > As part of my closed-captioning job, I've seen two different TV edit
> > versions of "The Fifth Element,"
<>
> They could have cut out every scene with Chris Tucker and vastly
> improved the movie. His character had an obnoxious factor of 9.9 (where
> Jar-Jar Binks = 10).

The difference is Chris Tucker is _supposed_ to be obnoxious in 5th Element.

Crashj 'when is "6th Element" due out?' Johnson

Charles A Lieberman

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Jan 17, 2003, 12:48:48 PM1/17/03
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In article <0mse2vo5q40lur2mh...@4ax.com>,
Nichole <nich...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
> >named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
> >Anybody know?
>
> I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
> Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.

Well, how many Zuckers can there be in the entertainment industry?

--
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Ray

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:39:47 PM1/17/03
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CSR <colinand...@conservativepartymanifesto.adslhome.dk> banged
fists on keyboard and produced
news:MPG.1891f697f...@news.inet.tele.dk:

[shameless thread drift...]
A program on the tube last night mentioned NASA wouldn't allow pictures
of naked humans on board the Voyager spacecraft (the one with the record
containing pictures/sounds of earth). Did they think the aliens would be
shocked?!

[back on track...] Living in Canada, it seems most of our edited TV
comes from the states - Canada seems a lot more liberal in this. Very
annoying when every curse is bleeped out of Odyssey 5. (Which is shot in
Canada, I think?)

Cheers,
Ray

Gary S. Callison

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:43:08 PM1/17/03
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Charles A Lieberman (cali...@bigfoot.com) wrote:

: Nichole <nich...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > > Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
: > >named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
: > >Anybody know?
: > I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
: > Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.
: Well, how many Zuckers can there be in the entertainment industry?

With a name like Zuckers, it's gotta be good!

--
Huey

Barbara

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:45:19 PM1/17/03
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>I seem to remember watching a Clint Eastwood movie on TV some years ago
>where the word "dogshit" had been replaced by "dogmeat", as in "you're
>a piece of dogmeat", "Well if I'm a piece of dogmeat then you're a fly
>on a piece of dogmeat" or words to that effect. Quite hilarious. The
>worst I ever saw/heard was the words "son of a bitch" bleeped out from
>"The Princess Bride". Just sad.

My favorite are the edits in the televised version of the Friar's Club Roast of
Drew Carey, which runs occasionally on Comedy Central.

It's really dirty,and very funny if you like that sort of thing, but , well
here's a slightly paraphrased example

"When I first met Drew, he was ***bleeping** donkeys in Tijuana. He was a real
trouper even then, to watch him you'd never guess that he didn't love
***bleeping*** donkeys. My job was to stand by with a hose in case they got
stuck."

I mean, why bother.


Barbara -

"I've got something inside me
Not what my life's about
Cause I've been letting my outside tide me
Over 'til my time runs out."

Taxi
Harry Chapin


D.F. Manno

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:51:02 PM1/17/03
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In article <slrnb2ed73....@dora.blinkynet.net>,

Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

> D.F. Manno wrote:
>
> > Some TV edits replace "fuck" with "forget." Makes no sense: "Forget
> > me? Forget you!"
>
> Well that's really forgotten. For forget's sake, what the forget's
> wrong with real forgetting language? That's too forgotten for words,
> the forgetting forgetters -- I mean, forget!

Yep, it is forgotten up.

Did you know that the TV edit of "Glengarry Glen Ross" is about real
estate hucksters with Alzheimer's?

Putain d'Enculé

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Jan 17, 2003, 2:35:08 PM1/17/03
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Good old Charles A Lieberman <cali...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:48:48 -0500 that ...

>In article <0mse2vo5q40lur2mh...@4ax.com>,
> Nichole <nich...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
>> >named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
>> >Anybody know?
>>
>> I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
>> Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.
>
>Well, how many Zuckers can there be in the entertainment industry?

"With a name like Zucker's you know it's got to be good!"

Bill

"Yow! Life is a blur of Republicans and meat!"
- Bill Griffith, as quoted by incandescent blue

Margaret Kane

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Jan 17, 2003, 2:41:36 PM1/17/03
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"Barbara" <accident...@aol.compuserve> wrote in message
news:20030117134519...@mb-cv.aol.com...

> >I seem to remember watching a Clint Eastwood movie on TV some years ago
> >where the word "dogshit" had been replaced by "dogmeat", as in "you're
> >a piece of dogmeat", "Well if I'm a piece of dogmeat then you're a fly
> >on a piece of dogmeat" or words to that effect. Quite hilarious. The
> >worst I ever saw/heard was the words "son of a bitch" bleeped out from
> >"The Princess Bride". Just sad.
>
> My favorite are the edits in the televised version of the Friar's Club
Roast of
> Drew Carey, which runs occasionally on Comedy Central.
>
> It's really dirty,and very funny if you like that sort of thing, but ,
well
> here's a slightly paraphrased example
>
> "When I first met Drew, he was ***bleeping** donkeys in Tijuana. He was a
real
> trouper even then, to watch him you'd never guess that he didn't love
> ***bleeping*** donkeys. My job was to stand by with a hose in case they
got
> stuck."
>
> I mean, why bother.
>
Please, have you ever watched an episode of the Osbournes? About one word in
five makes it through. (and if it's Ozzy speaking that word is probably
unintelligible anyway).

Margaret


D.F. Manno

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Jan 17, 2003, 3:27:25 PM1/17/03
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In article <Xns93068B006...@209.197.145.13>,
Ray <NoDam...@3web.net> wrote:

> A program on the tube last night mentioned NASA wouldn't allow pictures
> of naked humans on board the Voyager spacecraft (the one with the record
> containing pictures/sounds of earth). Did they think the aliens would be
> shocked?!

No, they knew that the troglodytes in the U.S. Congress who
appropriated the funds for Voyager would be shocked.
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they wanna have a war so they can keep their factories
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Jan 17, 2003, 3:28:46 PM1/17/03
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In article <1lmg2v8477k1ark6s...@4ax.com>,
Putain d'Encul? <putain...@billdiamond.com (Le Putain d'Encul?)>
wrote:

> Good old Charles A Lieberman <cali...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:48:48 -0500 that ...
> >In article <0mse2vo5q40lur2mh...@4ax.com>,
> > Nichole <nich...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
> >> >named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
> >> >Anybody know?
> >>
> >> I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
> >> Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.
> >
> >Well, how many Zuckers can there be in the entertainment industry?
>
> "With a name like Zucker's you know it's got to be good!"

"It's a dessert topping! It's a floor wax!"

Jim Shaffer, Jr.

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Jan 17, 2003, 5:14:36 PM1/17/03
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:17:16 +0100, CSR
<colinand...@conservativepartymanifesto.adslhome.dk> wrote:

>I seem to remember watching a Clint Eastwood movie on TV some years ago
>where the word "dogshit" had been replaced by "dogmeat", as in "you're
>a piece of dogmeat", "Well if I'm a piece of dogmeat then you're a fly
>on a piece of dogmeat" or words to that effect. Quite hilarious.

In the movie "Ghostbusters", they re-wrote a scene for the TV version. It was
terrible! The original was,

"Everthing was fine until 'Dick-Less' here cut the power to the
protection grid."
"Is this true?"
"Yes, it's true -- this man has no dick."

The new version:

"Everything was fine until 'Wally Wick' here cut the power to the
protection grid."
"Is this true?"
"Yes, it's true -- this man is some sort of rodent or something."

>The
>worst I ever saw/heard was the words "son of a bitch" bleeped out from
>"The Princess Bride". Just sad.

The latest trend in pop radio here is to edit drug references from songs. This
is hilarious when they leave the (non-obscene) sex references, although I
remember one song where they edited both -- they may as well not have broadcast
it, it was so ridiculous.


Blinky the Shark

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Jan 17, 2003, 5:14:45 PM1/17/03
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D.F. Manno wrote:
> In article <slrnb2ed73....@dora.blinkynet.net>,
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> D.F. Manno wrote:
>>
>> > Some TV edits replace "fuck" with "forget." Makes no sense: "Forget
>> > me? Forget you!"
>>
>> Well that's really forgotten. For forget's sake, what the forget's
>> wrong with real forgetting language? That's too forgotten for words,
>> the forgetting forgetters -- I mean, forget!
>
> Yep, it is forgotten up.
>
> Did you know that the TV edit of "Glengarry Glen Ross" is about real
> estate hucksters with Alzheimer's?

Never saw it. Oh, wait! I get it. Except for the real estate huckster
part, having no idea what it's about.

Bob Ward

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Jan 17, 2003, 6:41:45 PM1/17/03
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:48:48 -0500, Charles A Lieberman
<cali...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>-:In article <0mse2vo5q40lur2mh...@4ax.com>,
>-: Nichole <nich...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>-:
>-:> > Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
>-:> >named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
>-:> >Anybody know?
>-:>
>-:> I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
>-:> Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.
>-:
>-:Well, how many Zuckers can there be in the entertainment industry?


One for every zeat in every theater?


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Jan 17, 2003, 7:17:24 PM1/17/03
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In article <1kvg2vg8qcicbbrkg...@4ax.com>,

"Jim Shaffer, Jr." <jmsh...@alltel.net> wrote:

> The latest trend in pop radio here is to edit drug references from songs. This
> is hilarious when they leave the (non-obscene) sex references, although I
> remember one song where they edited both -- they may as well not have
> broadcast it, it was so ridiculous.

One radio station here in Philadelphia bleeps the line "Would she go
down on you in a theatre" in Alanis Morrisette's "You Oughta Know" but
doesn't touch the line "Even when she was givin' head" in Lou Reed's
"Walk on the Wild Side."
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Blinky the Shark

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Jan 17, 2003, 10:05:31 PM1/17/03
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Ray wrote:

> A program on the tube last night mentioned NASA wouldn't allow pictures
> of naked humans on board the Voyager spacecraft (the one with the record
> containing pictures/sounds of earth). Did they think the aliens would be
> shocked?!

Was it Voyager that did have the *line drawings* of the man and woman,
on The Plaque? Or was that a later vehicle? Or didn't it count as a
"picture" in the "feelthy picture" sense.

Alan Hamilton

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Jan 17, 2003, 11:58:18 PM1/17/03
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On 17 Jan 2003 11:39:47 -0700, Ray <NoDam...@3web.net> wrote:

>A program on the tube last night mentioned NASA wouldn't allow pictures
>of naked humans on board the Voyager spacecraft (the one with the record
>containing pictures/sounds of earth). Did they think the aliens would be
>shocked?!

It was Pioneer 10 and 11, the first human-made objects to leave the
solar system. NASA did use the line drawings of nude humans, but
there were predictable complaints from the bluenoses.
http://spaceprojects.arc.nasa.gov/Space_Projects/pioneer/PNimgs/Plaque.gif
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Alan Hamilton

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Jan 18, 2003, 12:01:22 AM1/18/03
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There was an odd edit in the TV version of "Who Framed Roger
Rabbit". A weasel is going to search Jessica, and he sticks his arm
into her cleavage, but gets a bear trap snapped on him. Both the
original and the TV version keep the same visual, but Eddie's comment
is changed from "Nice booby trap," to "Nice going, Jessica".

I'm mildly boggled that (a) they can't say "booby", but (b) they can
still show someone sticking their arm into Jessica Rabbit's cleavage.

Jason Quick

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Jan 18, 2003, 1:01:27 AM1/18/03
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"Asterbark" <aste...@aol.comyewf> wrote:

> The WPIX broadcast
> version of "Sixteen Candles" was just ridiculous, but on other channels,
since
> the expansion of cable, whatever language substitutions they tend to use
mostly
> make a little more sense and are less noticeable.

*snort*

My favorite is still the edited version I've seen a few times of "Back To
School." There's a scene where Robert Downey Jr's character, in an effort
to cheer his buddy up, gets on the floor, legs in the air and says "Do me!
Do me!"

Somehow, the idiots thought that "Shoe me!" would be better than just
cutting the damned scene altogether.

Jason


Jason Quick

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Jan 18, 2003, 1:07:14 AM1/18/03
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"Jim Shaffer, Jr." <jmsh...@alltel.net> wrote :

> The latest trend in pop radio here is to edit drug references from songs.


This
> is hilarious when they leave the (non-obscene) sex references, although I
> remember one song where they edited both -- they may as well not have
broadcast
> it, it was so ridiculous.

Yeah. My fave here is *still" "You Oughta Know" by one A. Morrissette. In
the verse where she sings:

"and are you thinking of me when you fuck her?"

our local stations basically blanked *a single letter* out of the word
"fuck," to wit:

"and are you thinking of me when you f..ck her?"

It struck me as utterly pointless. The morons did the same thing with NIN's
"Closer."

Jason


Jason Quick

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Jan 18, 2003, 1:29:31 AM1/18/03
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Blinky wrote:

> Was it Voyager that did have the *line drawings* of the man and woman,
> on The Plaque? Or was that a later vehicle? Or didn't it count as a
> "picture" in the "feelthy picture" sense.

The Voyager probes had a record aboard, which can be seen at the bottom of
this page:

http://www.rain.org/UFO/cipart2b.htm

The best part, I think, is the message President Carter recorded for the
disc:

" This is a present from a small distant world, a token of our sounds, our
science, our images, our music, our thoughts, and our feelings. We are
attempting to survive our time so we may live into yours. We hope someday,
having solved the problems we face, to join a community of galactic
civilizations. This record represents our hope and our determination, and
our goodwill in a vast and awesome universe."

Jason "'Nuff said." Q.


Eric Boyd

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Jan 18, 2003, 2:26:10 AM1/18/03
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"Jim Shaffer, Jr." <jmsh...@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:1kvg2vg8qcicbbrkg...@4ax.com...

> The latest trend in pop radio here is to edit drug references from songs.
This
> is hilarious when they leave the (non-obscene) sex references, although I
> remember one song where they edited both -- they may as well not have
broadcast
> it, it was so ridiculous.

The MTV edit of "The Battle of Who Could Care Less" left out the "Franklin
fuckin' Mint" line as well as the "Paul could score some weed" line. The
radio edit left in the weed line. What's really funny is that "Because I Got
High" song. There was one radio edit that covered up the word 'high' with
sounds of bongs bubbling and deep inhalation.

Who did that "high" song anyway?

-E


Eric Boyd

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Jan 18, 2003, 2:28:29 AM1/18/03
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"D.F. Manno" <domm...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:dommanno-751F25...@corp-radius.supernews.com...

> In article <1kvg2vg8qcicbbrkg...@4ax.com>,
> "Jim Shaffer, Jr." <jmsh...@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > The latest trend in pop radio here is to edit drug references from
songs. This
> > is hilarious when they leave the (non-obscene) sex references, although
I
> > remember one song where they edited both -- they may as well not have
> > broadcast it, it was so ridiculous.
>
> One radio station here in Philadelphia bleeps the line "Would she go
> down on you in a theatre" in Alanis Morrisette's "You Oughta Know" but
> doesn't touch the line "Even when she was givin' head" in Lou Reed's
> "Walk on the Wild Side."

That's funny, the radio here almost really plays the "fuck" in the song.
Same with NIN's "Closer". You have to listen real close to hear that that's
a voweless "fuck".

-E


Eric Boyd

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Jan 18, 2003, 2:30:53 AM1/18/03
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"Jason Quick" <jsq...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0aqqt$n743j$1...@ID-57673.news.dfncis.de...

> Yeah. My fave here is *still" "You Oughta Know" by one A. Morrissette.
In
> the verse where she sings:
>
> "and are you thinking of me when you fuck her?"
>
> our local stations basically blanked *a single letter* out of the word
> "fuck," to wit:
>
> "and are you thinking of me when you f..ck her?"
>
> It struck me as utterly pointless. The morons did the same thing with
NIN's
> "Closer."

Hey, I just posted this. Guess we listen to similar stations.

-E

SoCalMike

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Jan 18, 2003, 3:38:28 AM1/18/03
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"Alan Hamilton" <al...@arizonaroads.com> wrote in message
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i feel a bit less self-conscious now.

and the chick? definately on the chubby tip. but nice!

SoCalMike

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"Jason Quick" <jsq...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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hehe... shoe him up the ass, right? ROFL!


Lots42 bomb vice president

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Jan 18, 2003, 4:05:56 AM1/18/03
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Speaking of bleeping, it's a bit of a bother for those with migraines. And
since my mom likes to watch Montel a lot...urgh. I remember when Montel seemed
actually concerned with helping people...now it's all "None of these fourteen
men are the father of your kid!" "Wah! I forgot to tell you I slept with YOU,
Montel!"


Lots42 bomb vice president

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Jan 18, 2003, 4:08:55 AM1/18/03
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>From: cra...@mindspring.com (Crashj)

>groo <gr...@groo.org> wrote in message news:<3E26EDF4...@groo.org>...

>> They could have cut out every scene with Chris Tucker and vastly
>> improved the movie. His character had an obnoxious factor of 9.9 (where
>> Jar-Jar Binks = 10).
>
>The difference is Chris Tucker is _supposed_ to be obnoxious in 5th Element.

So is Jar-Jar. That's the whole reason he was kicked out of the underwater city
in the first place. BECAUSE he's an idiot goof.


CSR

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Jan 18, 2003, 7:58:03 AM1/18/03
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In article <calieber-648666...@news.fu-berlin.de>,
cali...@bigfoot.com says...

> In article <0mse2vo5q40lur2mh...@4ax.com>,
> Nichole <nich...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
> > >named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
> > >Anybody know?

> >
> > I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
> > Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.
>
> Well, how many Zuckers can there be in the entertainment industry?

I believe there's one born every minute.

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Boron Elgar

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Jan 18, 2003, 8:01:55 AM1/18/03
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:58:03 +0100, CSR
<colinand...@conservativepartymanifesto.adslhome.dk> wrote:

>In article <calieber-648666...@news.fu-berlin.de>,
>cali...@bigfoot.com says...
>> In article <0mse2vo5q40lur2mh...@4ax.com>,
>> Nichole <nich...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Ever since I heard that the current head of NBC programming is
>> > >named Zucker, I have wondered if he's "one of the 'Airplane' guys".
>> > >Anybody know?
>> >
>> > I don't know if he's related, but his name seems to be Jeff - the
>> > Airplane! guys are Jerry and David.
>>
>> Well, how many Zuckers can there be in the entertainment industry?
>
>I believe there's one born every minute.

Sweet.

boron

Francis Lapeyre

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Jan 18, 2003, 8:09:06 AM1/18/03
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"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
news:l58d2vsrn9s96hli3...@4ax.com...
> aste...@aol.comyewf (Asterbark) wrote:
>
> >and probably others I forgot, probably because I saw it broadcast on TNT
and
> >the cleaned up version uses a very strange and colorful collection of
> >substitutes for the word "fuck." That in itself added quite a bit to the
> >surreality.
>
> Sometimes I wonder if the TV edit can be bought somewhere.
>
> I saw a version of Airplane on TV once in about 1992 or so. They
> re-wrote and overdubbed so much that it became a hilarious movie just
> in the contrast. Entire scenes were replaced with alternate scenes
> (The two kids were midget schoolteachers).
>
> Unfortunately I was babysitting, and had to deal with a situation. I
> missed about half of it and never saw it again. Since then I have
> seen a TV showing of a version much closer to the theater version.

In "Used Cars", a guy who gets some bad news on the phone, exclaimed (in the
TV version):

"Cheese and rice! Holy cheese and rice!"

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Ray

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Jan 18, 2003, 8:13:25 AM1/18/03
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"SoCalMike" <mikein562...@hotmail.com> banged fists on keyboard
and produced news:8o8W9.723591$%m4.34...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net:

>> http://spaceprojects.arc.nasa.gov/Space_Projects/pioneer/PNimgs/Plaque
>> .gif

>
> i feel a bit less self-conscious now.
>
> and the chick? definately on the chubby tip. but nice!

That's Pioneer. On Voyager, (the one with the record), they wanted to
include a nude pic of a man and a pregnant woman, along with a silhouette
showing the fetus outlined in the woman, to show our means of reproduction.
NASA nixed the photo, but allowed the silhouette. Which looked pretty
meaningless without the picture.


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Jan 18, 2003, 8:18:59 AM1/18/03
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Alan Hamilton <al...@arizonaroads.com> banged fists on keyboard and
produced news:b0an2o$mr2rm$1...@ID-131683.news.dfncis.de:


> I'm mildly boggled that (a) they can't say "booby", but (b) they can
> still show someone sticking their arm into Jessica Rabbit's cleavage.

I get boggled, too, when they blur out an image of somebody giving "the
finger". But then, we live in a world that assignes a Muppet move a PG-13
rating (in Canada, that's Parental Guidance for under 13 or summat).

Cheers,
Ray

D.F. Manno

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Jan 18, 2003, 9:02:46 AM1/18/03
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In article <slrnb2hh3v....@dora.blinkynet.net>,

Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

> Ray wrote:
>
> > A program on the tube last night mentioned NASA wouldn't allow pictures
> > of naked humans on board the Voyager spacecraft (the one with the record
> > containing pictures/sounds of earth). Did they think the aliens would be
> > shocked?!
>
> Was it Voyager that did have the *line drawings* of the man and woman,
> on The Plaque? Or was that a later vehicle? Or didn't it count as a
> "picture" in the "feelthy picture" sense.

There's an SF short-short about a race that intercepts the probe with
the plaque and doesn't at all like the "line drawings." They destroy
the Earth for the sin of sending pornography to the stars.
--
D.F. "send more Chuck Berry" Manno

Bermuda999

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Jan 18, 2003, 10:16:18 AM1/18/03
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"Jason Quick" jsq...@hotmail.com

And, of course, the Navajo message on the disc was (translated) "Watch out for
these fuckers: they have come to
steal your land."


Blinky the Shark

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Jan 18, 2003, 11:07:38 AM1/18/03
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Ray wrote:

> That's Pioneer. On Voyager, (the one with the record), they wanted to
> include a nude pic of a man and a pregnant woman, along with a
> silhouette showing the fetus outlined in the woman, to show our means
> of reproduction. NASA nixed the photo, but allowed the silhouette.
> Which looked pretty meaningless without the picture.

Forget the gerbils. Naked pregnant women -- now *that's* kinky.

(Yeah, I know there are fetishists that are into it. As there are for
pretty much everything.)

StarChaser Tyger

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Jan 18, 2003, 4:07:06 PM1/18/03
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We get signal. What you say? It's Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> !

>Hilarious, that. I also love that they leave in the fart scene around
>the campfire, but edit out the fart sounds -- so you have a bunch of
>guys rising from their seats for no apparent reason whatsoever.

And then the guy comes out and waves his hat over the fire, again for no
apparent reason...
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Jan 18, 2003, 4:09:34 PM1/18/03
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We get signal. What you say? It's Ray <NoDam...@3web.net> !

A video on BET showed someone sliding to a stop across a street, jumping
out, sliding across the hood then putting his arms out across the hood,
holding...a blur.

Now, what could be be holding like that that they'd blur it out?
Especially since the rest of the song about being a gangster was still
playing...A dildo? A banana? A rude finger gesture?

Jim Ellwanger

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Jan 18, 2003, 11:57:17 PM1/18/03
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In article <mhgj2vs28hl0cs0tv...@4ax.com>,
StarChaser Tyger <starc...@mindless.com> wrote:

> A video on BET showed someone sliding to a stop across a street, jumping
> out, sliding across the hood then putting his arms out across the hood,
> holding...a blur.
>
> Now, what could be be holding like that that they'd blur it out?
> Especially since the rest of the song about being a gangster was still
> playing...A dildo? A banana? A rude finger gesture?

My educated guess would be some kind of drug paraphernalia, or if he
wasn't really holding anything, they would have blurred out something
that looked like he was throwing a gang sign. They'll also blur out
various logos that might be seen on clothing, for a variety of reasons.

Your message actually reminded me that I had saved this from work, which
is a list of the MTV-approved bleeps that were made in a music video I
was closed captioning. (The tape we got was already bleeped, but I
guess they wanted to make absolutely sure nothing got in the captions
that shouldn't have been there.)

The words that were bleeped are in ALL CAPS...

* your HEAD CRACK

* WIG TAP

* play fair day care KIDNAP

* SNOW so white

* over some OXY COTTON

* HIGHS get eight done

* dogs he move that WATER SHIT

* over WET work

* cause the a.k. BLAST your

* in DOPE stacks

* 16 SHOT come up out the GLOCK

* pass me the PURPLE stuff whodi

* i'm on the block THOUSAND GRAMS

* hustle and SLINGING

I'm not up on all the hip-hop lingo, so some of these bleeps made
absolutely no sense to me, including "wig tap," "wet" and the "water"
half of "water shit," and "purple."

There was also a BET version of the video with even more bleeps (they're
always stricter than MTV), but that list was less entertaining.

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Greg Goss

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Jan 19, 2003, 1:23:55 AM1/19/03
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Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:

>Ray wrote:
>
>> A program on the tube last night mentioned NASA wouldn't allow pictures
>> of naked humans on board the Voyager spacecraft (the one with the record
>> containing pictures/sounds of earth). Did they think the aliens would be
>> shocked?!
>
>Was it Voyager that did have the *line drawings* of the man and woman,
>on The Plaque? Or was that a later vehicle? Or didn't it count as a
>"picture" in the "feelthy picture" sense.

The plaque was Pioneer. Later, when they did Voyager, they included
an LP with encoded pictures as well as audio tracks. The pictures
went on the album jacket.

Greg Goss

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Jan 19, 2003, 1:34:30 AM1/19/03
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cra...@mindspring.com (Crashj) wrote:

>Crashj 'when is "6th Element" due out?' Johnson

Dunno. Boron is still running strong in some newsgroups. Didn't the
Macintosh introduce "Carbon" without using a euphemism?

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