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Kim

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:14:49 AM11/8/09
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I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.

(I told you I was sick.)

Regular Sunday Madness:

1. Is every life sacred?

2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
buy it from?

4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
surprised?

9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

10. What are you putting off doing right now?


--
Kim
www.thedarwinexception.wordpress.com
* I stand against stuff. I am also unhappy with things..*


rroger

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:23:00 AM11/8/09
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On Nov 8, 9:14 am, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)
>
> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

Except for serial killers- ted bundy, john wayne gacy, e.t.c.; yes.

rroger

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:24:26 AM11/8/09
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Sorry, also with serial killers would be people like hitler, s.
hussien, e.t.c.

landotter

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:37:29 AM11/8/09
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Just because you find Saleem Hussein's falafel a little dry doesn't
mean you should condemn him. Animal.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:07:28 AM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.

Ouch. Hope you feel better fast. Not a good week to be sick, what with
Paul's surgery and all. How long did it take to get the test
results? It's wicked when you have to sit around sick and wait to
find out what you have.

>(I told you I was sick.)
>
>
>
>Regular Sunday Madness:
>
>1. Is every life sacred?

No


>
>2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Plants. They are in the kitchen, basement and garage now.


>
>3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
>must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
>buy it from?

Baking stuff and chocolate. King Arthur Flour, Fantes, Harbor Sweets,
Jacques Torres.


>
>4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

No and no.


>
>5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Maps or GPS.


>
>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

We're down to one of four. No problems there at all.


>
>7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

I have been mugged and had a wallet stolen from a desk (in Detroit)
and have had two apartments burglarized (NYC).


>
>8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
>surprised?

Yes and no.


>
>9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Pregnancy test.


>
>10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Baking bread. I just got the new Peter Reinhart book. He's a yawning
bore.

Boron

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Wally Sevits

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:20:32 AM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>Regular Sunday Madness:
>
>1. Is every life sacred?

I don't know. But from observation, I'd say no.

>
>2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

125 lbs of cat litter riding around in the van with me.

>
>3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
>must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
>buy it from?

>
>4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Never happened, that I can recall.

>
>5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Drinking water.

>
>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

N/A

>
>7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Yes, in Michigan, Missouri, and Arizona. Mostly breakins where audio
equipment and booze was taken. Fun Fact: I had three separate Dyna
PAT-4 preamps stolen in various robberies. Lost a motorcycle in
Michigan and a TV in Missouri.

>
>8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
>surprised?

Never happened, that I can recall.

>
>9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Never happened, that I can recall. However in elementary school
spelling bees I was so bored that I deliberately miss-spelled my word.
It's not as easy as it sounds because I didn't want to look stupid. So
I had to wait for a suitably ambiguous word. e.g.
stationary/stationery, lightning/lightening.

>
>10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Working on solving a problem for work which has been dragging on since
Q1 2009.

Nick Spalding

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:30:48 AM11/8/09
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Kim wrote, in <hd6jor$n8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500:

>
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)
>
>
>
> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

No.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing.



> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

No idea.



> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

No.



> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Maps and GPS.



> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

Back when all parties were alive I'd say it was pretty even.



> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Back in about 1978 I was held up at gunpoint when working late at a
customer's by some villains who had come to steal the night's takings.
They tied me up and put me on the floor of an office along with the
store manager who didn't have any way of getting stuff out of the safe,
it had some sort of one-way trap. They had got what he had brought
along but wanted more. They shortly heard someone else coming along and
one of them grabbed me by the shirt front and dragged me behind a desk;
as he did so some stitching ripped and he said 'Sorry about that'.
Eventually they gave up and ran off. I managed to get free and untied
the manager who phoned the gate but they had got away.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Can't think of anything.
--
Nick Spalding

Peter Ward

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:36:03 AM11/8/09
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Kim says...

>
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.

Get well soon.

> 1. Is every life sacred?

No.



> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

My coat, it's in the car.



> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

CDs, computer games, a wifi music player, a book or two, odds and ends.
I'll probably buy from Amazon, because I already use them, path of least
resistance.



> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

No.



> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Music.



> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

N/A

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

I've had my car stolen.



> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No, and that's the way[1] I like it.



> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.



> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Nothing. I do things in order to put off doing nothing.

[1] (ah-ha, ah-ha)

--

Peter, from outside the asylum

I'm an alien
email: usenet at peterward dot adsl24 dot co dot uk
http://blowinsmoke.wordpress.com/
Just wait, and it will get worse.
- Greg Johnson

Kim

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:44:01 AM11/8/09
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Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
> <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> Ouch. Hope you feel better fast. Not a good week to be sick, what with
> Paul's surgery and all. How long did it take to get the test
> results? It's wicked when you have to sit around sick and wait to
> find out what you have.

Not a good *month* to be sick. Because when Paul doesn't feel good, well,
the whole world must stop and mourn. When *Kim* is sick, the only concession
I get is "Oh, you don't feel good? Well, you can just make me something
light for dinner, if that would be easier for you."

I got the test results 2 days after the test. And probably really the day
before, actually, but I wasn't in when they called and they didn't leave a
message. But I noticed the doctor's office number on the caller ID.

But the best part is that even though I've felt like absolute shit for a
week, with a terrible sore throat, watery eyes, body aches, an earache and
dizziness, now Paul is starting to get sick with the same thing, so by God,
NOW hiney flu will be recognized in this house, dammit. And it shall be
cursed. Kim has the flu? Ehhhh.....yeah, she'll get over it. Paul has the
flu? My God, this is the worst illness to hit mankind since the bubonic
plague.

Rick B.

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:49:21 AM11/8/09
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"Kim" <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote in
news:hd6jor$n8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org:

>
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)

We'll put that on your grave marker, assuming that some random relative
doesn't beat us to it.

> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

I don't know. I sometimes have a problem reconciling life being sacred with
this planet being so full of it.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing. I don't really have much of an outside.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that
> you must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s)
> will you buy it from?

Jeez, I really don't need more stuff. Maybe I'd go to Taschen and buy some
stupidly expensive art books. Or shop around for coins for my alleged
collection. The coins wouldn't take up much space.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

I don't think I ever have as a customer. Maybe as an employee.

(5 to 9: all either "no" or doesn't apply)

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Buying new tires. But not much longer.

Hieronymus Agricola

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Nov 8, 2009, 11:01:40 AM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:14:49 -0800, Kim wrote
(in article <hd6jor$n8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):

>
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)

Oh, Kim! Feel better! How is Paul doing?

>
>
>
> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

What do you mean, "every life"? All life is sacred. To the extent that we
assume that "life" is a separable thing that can be partitioned into discrete
organisms, each such organism shares in the sacredness of life.

Now you have to ask what "sacred" means, don't you?

>
> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

A feeling of integrated wholeness, of participation in the whole of of
reality, rather than isolation. But to do that, I must really destroy the
distinction between "outside" and "inside".

>
> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

For me, $1000 is really either too much or too little. Online or in-store is
not the issue at all.

>
> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

I have never broken something in a store.

>
> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Always? My glasses.

>
> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

My in-laws are dead. We get along just fine.

>
> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Last year, my Ford Explorer was burglarized, the audio stolen. We donated
the vehicle to "Habitat for Humanity" and I bought a Subaru Baja.

>
> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

If it ever happened, I didn't know about it, so I'd be surprised to learn
about it.

>
> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

In the third grade, on an arithmetic test that was something like ten rows of
five problems each of three-digit addition, I did the first row and filled in
random answers for the remaining rows. I got an "F". The teacher had a
"chat" with me and said, "We both know you can do better than this." I
replied, "Then there's no need for a test."

>
> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Nothing. This is what I'm doing right now. I'm deferring procrastination
for tomorrow.


art...@yahoo.com

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Nov 8, 2009, 11:02:05 AM11/8/09
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On Nov 8, 9:14 am, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> 1. Is every life sacred?
Yes, but some are sacreder than others

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Luckily nothing worse than having a coat stolen

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Grading lab reports

Lars Eighner

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Nov 8, 2009, 11:03:50 AM11/8/09
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In our last episode, <hd6jor$n8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, the lovely
and talented Kim broadcast on alt.fan.cecil-adams:


> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.

> (I told you I was sick.)

> Regular Sunday Madness:

> 1. Is every life sacred?

No.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Probably a couple of modest LCD tvs/monitors and a microwave. Probably from
Tiger Direct (I hate them, but they have deals). There would problably be
bucks leftover, and I'd get some bedding from Wal*Mart's web site if I
couldn't find a deal on a desktop.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Not that I recall.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Nothing.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

The Beaglemaster seldom has problems as my family is all dead.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Just about everything short of murder.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Filled out a draft board test at random. I suppose I failed.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Washing everything out by hand as the quarters are history.

--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> September 5913, 1993
291 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term.
Obama: No hope, no change, more of the same. Yes, he can, but no, he won't.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 11:52:06 AM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:44:01 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
>> <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>>
>> Ouch. Hope you feel better fast. Not a good week to be sick, what with
>> Paul's surgery and all. How long did it take to get the test
>> results? It's wicked when you have to sit around sick and wait to
>> find out what you have.
>
>Not a good *month* to be sick. Because when Paul doesn't feel good, well,
>the whole world must stop and mourn. When *Kim* is sick, the only concession
>I get is "Oh, you don't feel good? Well, you can just make me something
>light for dinner, if that would be easier for you."
>
>I got the test results 2 days after the test. And probably really the day
>before, actually, but I wasn't in when they called and they didn't leave a
>message. But I noticed the doctor's office number on the caller ID.

Pretty amazing turnaround time. And pretty amazing that they'd even
bother to test you. You won the flu lottery.

There aren't that many places that can identify H1N1 from the other
influenza A strains and it isn't recommended to bother to do so unless
it is for special circumstances or, rarer, pure epi-tracking purposes
Treatment is the same plain old flu.

The tests are overwhelming the clinical labs set up to test for the
specific stains. The CDC has set guidelines for testing. The usual
pattern is that if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck - meaning it's
likley some stain of influenza that is floating around. If caught
early enough, they can use some anti-virals, otherwise, the meds only
get kicked in for symptomatic relief or bacterial complications. Your
ears might toss you into that last group. And the ears likely cause
the dizziness.

>But the best part is that even though I've felt like absolute shit for a
>week, with a terrible sore throat, watery eyes, body aches, an earache and
>dizziness, now Paul is starting to get sick with the same thing, so by God,
>NOW hiney flu will be recognized in this house, dammit. And it shall be
>cursed. Kim has the flu? Ehhhh.....yeah, she'll get over it. Paul has the
>flu? My God, this is the worst illness to hit mankind since the bubonic
>plague.

Don't worry. They won't operate if he has the flu. By the time he is
recovered and is allowed in for surgery, you'll be well enough to take
care of him up to his strict standards.

Feel better, Kim. Sucks to be sick. In the past 4 weeks I have seen:

Pulmonologist
Endocrinologist
Rheumatologist
Neurologist
Neurosurgeon
Plain old vanilla GP

In that time frame I have had:

4 MRIs
2 ultrasounds
1 biopsy
1 CT scan
3 IV infusions
Numerous blood tests

Guess what?....they cannot find a damn thing outside of my usual
underlying PITA chronic stuff. Everyone clears me of everything else.
Ya gotta love it - at least I do. I am sure my insurance company does
not.

Boron

jeffinputnam

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Nov 8, 2009, 11:54:31 AM11/8/09
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Kim wrote:
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)

Congratulations!

> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

Yes.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

A crapload of cardboard

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Whatever online grocery delivers.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

No.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

My camping knife.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

I killed mine. It no longer matters.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Yes. Harassment. The asshole spent some time in jail for it.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

Yes. Once my mom threw a surprise birthday party for me and invited
everyone she knew I knew in High School. The sad part was that we all
despised each other. She just figured that since we were once friends we
still were and always would be. It was a strange evening.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Going to the monastery.

J

Les Albert

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:03:52 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:52:06 -0500, Boron Elgar
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:


>.... Sucks to be sick. In the past 4 weeks I have seen:


>Pulmonologist
>Endocrinologist
>Rheumatologist
>Neurologist
>Neurosurgeon
>Plain old vanilla GP
>In that time frame I have had:
>4 MRIs
>2 ultrasounds
>1 biopsy
>1 CT scan
>3 IV infusions
>Numerous blood tests
>Guess what?....they cannot find a damn thing outside of my usual
>underlying PITA chronic stuff. Everyone clears me of everything else.
>Ya gotta love it - at least I do. I am sure my insurance company does
>not.


That's a lot of ologists and tests in one month. What was suspected
that caused all of that?

Les

Dover Beach

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:06:30 PM11/8/09
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Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:n4sdf5l18k6a94nh3...@4ax.com:


> Feel better, Kim. Sucks to be sick. In the past 4 weeks I have seen:
>
> Pulmonologist
> Endocrinologist
> Rheumatologist
> Neurologist
> Neurosurgeon
> Plain old vanilla GP
>
> In that time frame I have had:
>
> 4 MRIs
> 2 ultrasounds
> 1 biopsy
> 1 CT scan
> 3 IV infusions
> Numerous blood tests
>
> Guess what?....they cannot find a damn thing outside of my usual
> underlying PITA chronic stuff. Everyone clears me of everything else.
> Ya gotta love it - at least I do. I am sure my insurance company does
> not.
>
>

God,that's awful, Boron. Even if you weren't sick before, you'd be so
fed up with doctors that your blood pressure would spike. What are they
looking for? Do they even have a guess?

--
Dover

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:08:44 PM11/8/09
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Kim wrote:

> 1. Is every life sacred?

Do you mean "human" life? Then by my theology it is.
Do you also include other animals? Then I really don't know.


>
> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

I don't really have any more room inside, having moved about 80 plants
in for the winter already. But I dug up the dahlias, and they are in the
garage drying. In the next two weeks I need to cut off the tops [all but
for about 2 inches of stem], and pack them in shavings and store them in
the attic for the winter. And there's probably another 10 lbs of
potatoes I have not yet dug up. And I need to collect the bean pods off
the vines and put them in the attic too, and sometime in a month or so
shell them.


>
> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Give me the money, and I'll figure out something. Probably about half of
it at AbeBooks.


>
> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

I think I did something like that back in the 1940s. If so, my mother
paid for it.


>
> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Coffee travel mug, and a road atlas, also my wallet and credit cards.


>
> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

My in-laws are dead. Charleen's in-laws are also dead. But when they
were alive my in-laws got along better with me than they did with their
daughter.


>
> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Petty theft. Many times. One gets used to it.


>
> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

Three times. The one time I was really surprised was a surprise birthday
party at the Church after the Thursday morning service about 4 years ago.


>
> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.


>
> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

I need to review and revise a section of the Legislative Handbook that
the State Grange hands out to every member of the Connecticut State
Legislature every January. I'm responsible for revising the Agriculture
section.

charles

Greg Goss

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:19:52 PM11/8/09
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"Kim" <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
>(I told you I was sick.)

Moria had a really ugly flu in May. I had an extremely mild version.
(I'd had the seasonal shot the previous October.) On her second
doctor visit, they sent her to get a official test and it came back
negative. So the "seasonal" flu can still knock you for a loop.

We were going to get the shot the second week it was being handed out,
but our gov't mis-handled the process and ran out of shots.
Supposedly the factory is doing fine on the big vats of flu, but ran
out of little glass vials to put it in, and isn't willing to ship flu
around the country in oil drums.


>
>Regular Sunday Madness:
>
>1. Is every life sacred?

Controversial opinion here. No, it isn't. People sky-dive and
base-jump. Obviously they balance life and fun. Any of the huge
construction projects places a monetary value on any potential lives
lost -- supposedly there are several bodies permanently entombed into
Hoover Dam. Vancouver's "Ironworker Bridge" is named after the lives
lost when the first attempt fell during construction.

I'm anti-abortion on a one-on-one level, but support the idea of it
being the woman's choice. I drove a young woman to her evaluation
appointments and loaned her the bus fare for the actual injection (my
plane ticket out came before her final appointment) when I "lost" the
argument.

I'm pro-death-penalty and realize that there will be errors. The
errors don't have to be STUPID ones like Texas seems to be prone to,
but even if you pay attention, there will still be errors.

>2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing that I'm aware of, unless you want to get really philosophical
in some way, and even that's not coming to me. My garage is barely a
"two car", so even a Honda and a Toyota are pretty tight. So my car
is parked outside unless I expect frost or snow. But there's no frost
or snow on it today.

>3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
>must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
>buy it from?

Grin. I have an online broker. I'd buy silver miner stock, then sell
industrial stock to buy food locally. I shop online for luxury goods,
and I'm full up on all the luxuries I can afford, even if it's free.

Moria found a few big-screen rear-projector TVs over the summer on
Craigslist, Kijiji and Super Shopper. That's online, even if we have
to drive over to pick 'em up, right? I told her to wait till after
Christmas and the old tech can't be GIVEN away. My local
warranty-recycle places have the 36 inch LCDs for $250 or so, but I
can't justify even that.

>4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

I have a vague memory of offering and the store refusing to accept. I
forget what it was.

>5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

High-carb nibble food. Thermos of coffee. Magazines to read at the
break stops.

>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

First marriage, both. Wendy was a bit strained with her mother who
wanted more control than Wendy was willing to offer. I get along
really well with her mother, and she was slightly jealous that Fran
wasn't telling ME what to do with our life.

Second whatever-it-is. Moria is very strained with her mother. I've
only ever met her mother twice more than fifteen years ago, and really
don't remember much. Moria likes my siblings.

>7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Two car thefts. One ran out of gas (my secret weapon anti-theft
device) and the other, the thief was presumably startled as he was
sorting through my mess. A briefcase of my tools (with the papers
dumped onto the floor) was still there on the passenger seat when the
tow truck took it from the strip club parking lot to the storage yard.

I was the support person when Moria's husband and a friend of mine was
murdered in a botched taxi robbery.

I was the guy whose testimony put away the ringleader in a small
town's dominant B&E gang. Surprisingly (grin), my house was broken
into, and at a separate time, my car was broken into twice.

Wendy's place in Surrey was B&E'ed just before I moved in. I wasn't
the victim, but was the main support person to someone who was highly
disturbed by it.

I had the "Eyestalk" turn signals broken off my pickup once.
http://www.trucktrend.com/autoshows/events/163_0908_2009_texas_heatwave_20th_anniversary/photo_02.html
The mirrors had been broken off and tossed into the back the week
before. My parking space was too close to a path between two pubs.

I had my "lunch money" bullied out of me. At some point it came to
the attention of the authorities and he gave it back "I was just
joking." Surprisingly, he didn't bother me again. Maybe he was. I
was bullied, recreationally not commercially, all through elementary
school.

>8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
>surprised?

No.

>9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Is gross negligence "deliberate"?

>10. What are you putting off doing right now?

I meet a group every sunday sometime between 10 and noon. I was
intending to be there for ten for once.

I'm way behind in homework. See "fail a test".
--
apart from one noisy guy up in Canada, no-one wants
a three-cylinder tissue box on bicycle tires.

Kim

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Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:44:01 -0500, "Kim"
> <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
>>> <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>>>
>>> Ouch. Hope you feel better fast. Not a good week to be sick, what
>>> with Paul's surgery and all. How long did it take to get the test
>>> results? It's wicked when you have to sit around sick and wait to
>>> find out what you have.
>>
>> Not a good *month* to be sick. Because when Paul doesn't feel good,
>> well, the whole world must stop and mourn. When *Kim* is sick, the
>> only concession I get is "Oh, you don't feel good? Well, you can
>> just make me something light for dinner, if that would be easier for
>> you."
>>
>> I got the test results 2 days after the test. And probably really
>> the day before, actually, but I wasn't in when they called and they
>> didn't leave a message. But I noticed the doctor's office number on
>> the caller ID.
>
> Pretty amazing turnaround time. And pretty amazing that they'd even
> bother to test you. You won the flu lottery.

Well, I've seen 2 other doctors (for regular crap, not the flu crap) since
I've been sick with the flu. Both of them have told me "Ehhh...it's probably
Hiney - we don't test, just do this that and this other thing over here."

It was only my oncologist who insisted I get tested - and then only because
it was fucking with my stomach and eating, which he's all over, anyway, for
other reasons, mostly because I don't digest food to begin with, so, when I
get the flu and I'm hurling regularly, his "let's test this"
overprotectiveness kicks in.

But the whole thing is crap, anyway, because I got the shot. So, that was a
waste of time.

> The tests are overwhelming the clinical labs set up to test for the
> specific stains. The CDC has set guidelines for testing. The usual
> pattern is that if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck - meaning it's
> likley some stain of influenza that is floating around. If caught
> early enough, they can use some anti-virals, otherwise, the meds only
> get kicked in for symptomatic relief or bacterial complications. Your
> ears might toss you into that last group. And the ears likely cause
> the dizziness.

Yeah, I got some drops for my ears, a different anti-nausea prescription,
and tylenol w/ codeine, which I haven't even filled because I have hundreds
of those.

>
> Don't worry. They won't operate if he has the flu. By the time he is
> recovered and is allowed in for surgery, you'll be well enough to take
> care of him up to his strict standards.

He has to go in for an EEG this week. It's some pre-op thing they require.
So that should be entertaining. Of course, that's only if he isn't an
inpatient by then, you know, because of this devastating swine flu thing he
probably has.


>
> Guess what?....they cannot find a damn thing outside of my usual
> underlying PITA chronic stuff. Everyone clears me of everything else.
> Ya gotta love it - at least I do. I am sure my insurance company does
> not.

The worst part of any illness is when you don't know what it is. I've been
there, done that. And having an ear ache this past week has been like deja
vu all over again - the last time my ear hurt like this was when I went to
the doctors for the first time in forever and said "I have an ear infection"
and they told me "No you don't - you have cancer."

I hope they figure out a really, really simple diagnosis for you. One that's
quickly and effectively dealt with.

Slow Motion Apocalypse

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:35:20 PM11/8/09
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On Nov 8, 6:14 am, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)
>
> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?
>

Of course not. Probably should be.


> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?
>

Nothing.


> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online.  What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?
>

A small portable electronic part I need will be about $225. Then
various other computer & electronics & music & DVD's. I could probably
burn thru it in Brewster's Millions time too.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?
>

No/No

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).
>

Portable electronics.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?
>

Will never apply

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?
>

Had a bike stolen. Never anything major. Knock on wood (spend a lot of
time at night at bus stops in sketchy areas)

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?
>

No

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?
>

No

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?
>

Fixing an audio project I messed up on.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:46:09 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:03:52 -0800, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
wrote:

Some of it was routine testings and procedures due to chronic
illnesses or underlying conditions, some due to new symptoms. I am an
asthmatic diabetic with RA. That alone could be cause for most of the
above. I just added in a few things...like a nodule-laden thyroid and
a bit of numbness in a couple of places.

My favorite was a clucking neurologist who sent me tout de suite to
the neurosurgeon because of a severely herniated disk impinging on a
nerve root. I took the advice, because my brother was almost
incapacitated for 6 weeks by disk problems last summer. I did not want
to wind up the same way.

Neurosurgeon, who after thorough exam, sees that I have no back or leg
pain (my neck hurts, but that is nowhere near L-5), exercise
vigorously 5-7 hours a week, and can practically form myself into a
pretzel in his exam room (no salt, please), sends me back to the
neuro to try to find out why I have a very slight numbness at times in
my left foot and across my cheek from my ear to my nose on the right
side. We'll see what else they can find out at my next neuro visit,
where more tests will be done. (intermittent, extremely mild numbness,
upper and lower not necessarily occurring at the same time).

None of the tests or procedures hurt at all, it is just time and money
until results are in. There is a nasty "what if" factor that prompts
all of the tests and I can do without the angst...in fact, I DO do
without the angst, why, I do not know. I surely get aggravated just
watching the news, but my own potential medical prognoses don't seem
to keep me up nights like worrying about missing children and
massacred young soldiers does.

Boron

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:02:13 PM11/8/09
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On 8 Nov 2009 17:06:30 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Ah...should have read ahead and combined replies.

A problem, I believe, is that I go to a LOT of specialists, and have
to due to some of the chronic stuff. The problem is that each
specialist sees things only within her or his realm and area of
expertise. Anything out of that realm gets referred.

My own GP, who tries to coordinate all this stuff, could never push
much of the investigation through insurance. Take for example, the
thyroid nodules. They got picked up quite incidentally on a CT of the
lungs that the pulmonologist ordered (you see, the allergist
eventually threw up her hands with my asthma and sent me to the
pulmonary folks - a specialist who referred me to another
specialist...).

But the pulmonologist doesn't do thyroid, so I talk to my GP, who
orders an US of the thyroid. Holy Moly, over 2 dozen nodules. Well,
that means the GP sends me to an endo (I do not normally see an endo,
even with diabetes, as my GP has managed it so very well all these
years, that even the endo says she has nothing to add or change and
thinks its management is fine) because I will need a biopsy of the
thyroid nodules. And the endo wants her own special blood work for the
thyroid, not just the normal thyroid work up that my G usually does.
See how it all escalates? And the endo is off plan.

But the specialists never back off and once you see one, if there is
anything underlying at all, they want to keep seeing you for
follow-up, which is probably the prudent thing to do in each case, but
taken in aggregate, is a huge pain in the ass. So, I manage a lot of
my care with the GP and she and I decide when any follow-up is really
needed with the specialists. Granted, the RA is very different and the
meds so scary and weird, that the GP cedes to the rheumie on that.

And I say it again, quite happily, I haven't missed a day of work due
to illness this year.

Boron

Wally Sevits

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:06:15 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>Regular Sunday Madness:
>
>1. Is every life sacred?

I don't know. But from observation, I'd say no.

>


>2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

125 lbs of cat litter riding around in the van with me.

>


>3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
>must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
>buy it from?

All those Criterion Collection and Full-series TV show DVDs which
ordinarily I cannot afford.

From amazon.com.

BTW, the grand won't go that far.


>
>4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Never happened, that I can recall.

>


>5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Drinking water.

>
>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

N/A

>
>7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Yes, in Michigan, Missouri, and Arizona. Mostly breakins where audio


equipment and booze was taken. Fun Fact: I had three separate Dyna
PAT-4 preamps stolen in various robberies. Lost a motorcycle in
Michigan and a TV in Missouri.

>


>8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
>surprised?

Never happened, that I can recall.

>


>9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Never happened, that I can recall. However in elementary school


spelling bees I was so bored that I deliberately miss-spelled my word.
It's not as easy as it sounds because I didn't want to look stupid. So
I had to wait for a suitably ambiguous word. e.g.
stationary/stationery, lightning/lightening.

>


>10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Working on solving a problem for work which has been dragging on since
Q1 2009.

mike muth

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:11:23 PM11/8/09
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On Nov 8, 3:14 pm, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> 1. Is every life sacred?

Yes.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Most of it will go at Amazon.com. Books, DVDs, vitamins,
miscellaneous items.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

No, but my wife and daughter have. Didn't have to pay.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

bottled water.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

I do.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Yes, My apartment was burgled in 2006. My car was broken into in
1977. My cat was killed in 2006.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you surprised?

Yes, yes.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Yes.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Formatting my book for the printer.

--
Mike

Tim Wright

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:13:20 PM11/8/09
to
Kim wrote:
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)
>
>
>
> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?
Yes, but there are people the world would be much better off without.

>
> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?
Probably some firewood before it gets too cold and nasty.

>
> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?
New 'puter, from hp.com.

>
> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?
yes, no. Broke tons of stuff when I worked in the grocery store. First
time I got my hands on a buffer I ran it into the bottled water rack and
broke two five gallon bottles. You have any idea how long it takes to
mop up 10 gallons of water?

>
> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).
Camera

>
> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?
My wife does, but it is easy for her since her in-laws are dead.

>
> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?
Couple of car burglaries, couple of hit and runs.

>
> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?
Yes, for my 50th. Yes I was surprised.

>
> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?
No

>
> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?
Installing lights in a couple of closets, installing better lighting in
the garage and shop, building a toy box for the grandson, buying a new
air compressor for the shop, building some steel gates for the pool yard
fence and across the driveway. This could go on for a long time.
>
>


--

Tim W

Onomatopoeia
A word that sounds like the sound it sounds like.

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:18:08 PM11/8/09
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art...@yahoo.com wrote:

>> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?
>
> Grading lab reports

I had that problem from about 1962 through 2005. Then I retired, and
haven't had to deal with it since. That was one of the main
contributions to the burn-out which led to my retirement...43 years of
grading lab reports. I loved the teaching, but the grading gets to you
after a while.

Charles

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:18:15 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:22:25 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Boron Elgar wrote:

>>
>> Pretty amazing turnaround time. And pretty amazing that they'd even
>> bother to test you. You won the flu lottery.
>
>Well, I've seen 2 other doctors (for regular crap, not the flu crap) since
>I've been sick with the flu. Both of them have told me "Ehhh...it's probably
>Hiney - we don't test, just do this that and this other thing over here."
>
>It was only my oncologist who insisted I get tested - and then only because
>it was fucking with my stomach and eating, which he's all over, anyway, for
>other reasons, mostly because I don't digest food to begin with, so, when I
>get the flu and I'm hurling regularly, his "let's test this"
>overprotectiveness kicks in.

Probably, but he needs to be admonished. Those symptoms have nothing
to do with H1N1.


>
>But the whole thing is crap, anyway, because I got the shot. So, that was a
>waste of time.

That, too, is amazing, of course. My sister an hospital admin, and the
University of Michigan Oncology department, cannot even get vaccine
for my their most at risk chemo patients, such as my BIL, who has
Stage 4 adenomas of the stomach with mets to the liver. Other places
in Michigan have it for open clinics. Odd distributions that many
localities are undertaking.

My township thinks they will have vaccine by the 16th. That is when I
am scheduled

>> The tests are overwhelming the clinical labs set up to test for the
>> specific stains. The CDC has set guidelines for testing. The usual
>> pattern is that if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck - meaning it's
>> likley some stain of influenza that is floating around. If caught
>> early enough, they can use some anti-virals, otherwise, the meds only
>> get kicked in for symptomatic relief or bacterial complications. Your
>> ears might toss you into that last group. And the ears likely cause
>> the dizziness.
>
>Yeah, I got some drops for my ears, a different anti-nausea prescription,
>and tylenol w/ codeine, which I haven't even filled because I have hundreds
>of those.

Anything that upsets an already upset portion of the system is
miserable.


>>
>> Don't worry. They won't operate if he has the flu. By the time he is
>> recovered and is allowed in for surgery, you'll be well enough to take
>> care of him up to his strict standards.
>
>He has to go in for an EEG this week. It's some pre-op thing they require.
>So that should be entertaining. Of course, that's only if he isn't an
>inpatient by then, you know, because of this devastating swine flu thing he
>probably has.

You won't worry long... Paul recovers so quickly and miraculously,
like when the house fell on him. It's like he has a spigot directly to
Lourdes. If he gives you a hard time, barf on him.

>>
>> Guess what?....they cannot find a damn thing outside of my usual
>> underlying PITA chronic stuff. Everyone clears me of everything else.
>> Ya gotta love it - at least I do. I am sure my insurance company does
>> not.
>
>The worst part of any illness is when you don't know what it is. I've been
>there, done that. And having an ear ache this past week has been like deja
>vu all over again - the last time my ear hurt like this was when I went to
>the doctors for the first time in forever and said "I have an ear infection"
>and they told me "No you don't - you have cancer."

Plain old earache is much better to have, I bet..


>
>I hope they figure out a really, really simple diagnosis for you. One that's
>quickly and effectively dealt with.

Thanks, and best to you, too.

Boron

Slow Motion Apocalypse

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:31:56 PM11/8/09
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On Nov 8, 7:44 am, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>
wrote:

I've been sick for going on 2 weeks. I felt okay the last week to go
out about 4 times but I am still coughing.

Les Albert

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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:46:09 -0500, Boron Elgar


I am not making light of any of your problems, but you have enough
there for *several* of those N.Y. Times Sunday magazine section
articles, "Diagnosis". This one in particular, "a very slight


numbness at times in my left foot and across my cheek from my ear to

my nose on the right side.".

Les

Les Albert

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:37:03 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:18:15 -0500, Boron Elgar
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:22:25 -0500, "Kim"

>> ...


>>But the whole thing is crap, anyway, because I got the shot. So, that was a
>>waste of time.

>That, too, is amazing, of course. My sister an hospital admin, and the
>University of Michigan Oncology department, cannot even get vaccine
>for my their most at risk chemo patients, such as my BIL, who has
>Stage 4 adenomas of the stomach with mets to the liver. Other places
>in Michigan have it for open clinics. Odd distributions that many
>localities are undertaking.
>My township thinks they will have vaccine by the 16th. That is when I
>am scheduled


My provider, Kaiser Permanente of N. Ca., has had the stuff for about
2 weeks now. The only restriction is that it is available for the
usual suspects: underlying illness, pregnants, young people, etc.

Les

Veronique

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:45:08 PM11/8/09
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On Nov 8, 6:14 am, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>

wrote:
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)

How's it going with that?

>
> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

Apparently not.


>
> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

I think I'm pretty good on the stuff outside being outside stuff and
the stuff inside being inside stuff. For the moment.


>
> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online.  What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

That's a challenge? three sets of airline tickets to/from the Midwest,
done. Northwest Airlines //spit!//

Half a saddle. Dover Saddlery.

Antique barrister bookcase or antique oak armoire on eBay. Or half or
a third of one.

String of boulder opal beads. That Australian site, where was it,
damn.


>
> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Not me, because I don't tend to break other people's stuff, but me and
my cousin and our moms and siblings were in a funky import store which
had a really interesting marimba, which my mom wanted to hear, so the
young woman minding the store started playing it with a passion that
belied her suburban minimall storefront persona, and my cousin bent
down to see how it looked underneath and bumped into the hideous folk
art carved wooden statue valued at $200 in 1971 close behind and
knocked it over and the nose cracked off. All us kids were
unceremoniously ushered out to sit on the step outside while my mom
and aunt persuaded suddenly bland shopgirl agreed that the nose could
be glued back on and nobody would know the difference.

>
> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

CD of train songs.

>
> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

My spouse-to-be has shown himself to be the eighth wonder of the world
in his ability to get along with a bunch of opinionated, cranky, and
cognitively dissonant relatives of mine. My job, to watch NASCAR with
presumed interest, is relatively simple by contrast.

>
> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Someone took our pumpkin out of our garden when I was growing up and
smashed it.

>
> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

I'm known to be hard to surprise, not that anyone's ever tried.
Bitter? Me?

>
> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

I've deliberately sabotaged things where the consequences of
succeeding seemed worse than the sabotage, but I don't think any of
these were in the form of a test, as such.


>
> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?


I need to get into the shower because my friend will be here in 15
minutes and we're heading off to bike up to the Sea Glass Festival.


V., go me!
--
Veronique Chez Sheep

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:47:32 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:32:09 -0800, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
wrote:

>>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:46:09 -0500, Boron Elgar

>>>>Guess what?....they cannot find a damn thing outside of my usual


>>>>underlying PITA chronic stuff. Everyone clears me of everything else.
>>>>Ya gotta love it - at least I do. I am sure my insurance company does
>>>>not.

>I am not making light of any of your problems, but you have enough
>there for *several* of those N.Y. Times Sunday magazine section
>articles, "Diagnosis". This one in particular, "a very slight
>numbness at times in my left foot and across my cheek from my ear to
>my nose on the right side.".
>
>Les
>

NEJM always used to run a series like that, but don't know if it does
any more.

The neurologist think the two areas of numbness may be unrelated. I
agree with her.

Boron

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Bill Turlock

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:17:31 PM11/8/09
to
Kim wrote:
>
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)

Major bummer. Be very careful to take good care of yourself!!


> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

pfftt


> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?
>

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?
>

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

yes. you don't hafta if you hide it


> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

pee bottle


> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

spouse (ex) surely


> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

yes. armed robbery


> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?
>

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

not to the best of my knowledge


> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

everything, including filling 6 mo old orders

Mark Brader

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:22:13 PM11/8/09
to
Kim Pulley:

> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
> (I told you I was sick.)

Congratulations. :_)

> 1. Is every life sacred?

No.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Me? Nothing.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you

> must spend it online...

No I don't.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Not that I can remember.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Everything.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

About equal, I'd say.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Theft, a few times.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

None of your business.
--
Mark Brader "The world little knows or cares the storm through
Toronto which you have had to pass. It asks only if you
m...@vex.net brought the ship safely to port." -- Joseph Conrad

My text in this article is in the public domain.

N Jill Marsh

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:56:46 PM11/8/09
to
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>1. Is every life sacred?

No, not one.

>2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

The recycling box.

>3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you

>must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
>buy it from?

I could do this at any number of places, but today I'll go for jeweler
at bodycircle.com

>4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Yes, I dropped a bottle of Roses' Lime Cordial. No, they did not
charge me for it. I found out later that carpal tunnel symptoms are
not uncommon in pregnancy.

>5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Map.

>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

It's even.

>7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Several minor things, at least one major one I decline to discuss.

I have had my car broken into, and my tires slashed. I have also been
criminally stalked/harassed, oddly enough, not by anyone with whom I
had a personal relationship.

>8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
>surprised?

My friends and family love me too much to do such a thing.

>9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.

>10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Laundry.

nj"not any more"m


--
Welcome, stranger, to the humble neighbourhoods.

Glenn Dowdy

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:14:02 PM11/8/09
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"Kim" <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:hd6jor$n8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

No.


>
> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Soccer ball.


>
> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that
> you must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will
> you buy it from?

Newegg: mobo/processor/ram for son's computer. $250
Newegg: wii and wii fit for family's Christmas present $300
Spotlight Music: PRS SE Semihollowbody with humbuckers.

>
> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Guitar neck (my little one knocked it over, actually). No, store insurance
took care of it.


>
> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

In-car DVD player.


>
> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

Me, but only because her mom lives here in town.


>
> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

My wife and I interupted a burglary in process at my friend's house one
Sunday morning, and had words with the young man as he walked away. He was
later caught at his dad's house.


>
> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

Yes, my wife, on last year's birthday. Quite surprised. We all met at our
local watering hole.


>
> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

The concept is unclear to me.


>
> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?
>

Going home. I'm at the coffee shop.

Glenn D.


Dana Carpender

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:22:21 PM11/8/09
to
Kim wrote:
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)
>
>
>
> Regular Sunday Madness:

>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

Not to me. In some abstract sense? Dunno.


>
> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?


>

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Hmm. I could easily spend that much at Amazon alone, but I'd probably
spend some at Overstock, too. Maybe QVC; I like the jewelry I've bought
through them. And Modcloth sometimes has clothes I like.


>
> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Not that I recall.


>
> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Books. Books on disc or tape if I'm driving alone, books to read aloud
to Rick if it's the two of us.


>
> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

My spouse, no question. I get along fine with my FIL, but it's not like
we'd be pals if we didn't both love his son. My husband adores my family.


>
> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

More than one. I've had car windows busted, and one of the panes in the
back door of my Chicago apartment was busted a couple of times. No one
got in either time, which I actually found reassuring. I've been
stalked by two different men, one of whom I had to have arrested. My
cocaine snorting roommates stole some stuff from me.


>
> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No.


>
> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.


>
> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Cleaning the kitchen, it looks like a bomb went off.

Dana

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:35:46 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:37:03 -0800, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:18:15 -0500, Boron Elgar

There have been H1N1 clinics scheduled and rescheduled all over this
area because of shipments that have not come in. Right now, no one
has it here. Kaiser is huge and may have a direct contract with a
supplier, but most of this involved county or state government in the
supply chain.

My sisters's hospital in got in two batches that went to staff, with
no provision for outpatients or the public, while a couple of counties
away, they had 10k doses for first come, first served. Supply is
highly erratic. My GP could not find any for her 5 year old.

Regular flu vaccine is plentiful and easily available.

Boron

QueBarbara

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:00:29 PM11/8/09
to
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:


>
>Regular Sunday Madness:
>
>1. Is every life sacred?
>

Sacred? No.

>2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?
>

My cat Chuy, I think it's time for my afternoon cat scan.

>3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
>must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
>buy it from?
>

I need some new tops for work and casual wear. I bet I could burn
through that thousand pretty quickly at some of my favorite on-line
clothing stores.

>4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?
>

>5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).
>

My favorite things to take are The Dude and the dog.

>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?
>

He gets along better with mine, probably because we only see them a
couple of times a year.

>7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?
>

Yes. No comment.

>8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
>surprised?
>

Yes to both, the first or second year The Dude and I were dating. I
don't think he could pull if off nowadays.

>9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?
>

A speech test in first or second grade. I don't know why, I think I
was just bored and wanted the attention or something.

>10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Starting dinner. That carrot's not going to peel itself, young lady!
Get to it!

--
QueBarbara

Kim

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:28:31 PM11/8/09
to
Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:22:25 -0500, "Kim"

>> But the whole thing is crap, anyway, because I got the shot. So,


>> that was a waste of time.
>
> That, too, is amazing, of course. My sister an hospital admin, and the
> University of Michigan Oncology department, cannot even get vaccine
> for my their most at risk chemo patients, such as my BIL, who has
> Stage 4 adenomas of the stomach with mets to the liver. Other places
> in Michigan have it for open clinics. Odd distributions that many
> localities are undertaking.

Oh dude - see, this is what we were JUST talking about. I swear.

See, on the Today show, their talking head medical person said "Right now,
it's been VERY difficult here in NY for ANYONE except the chronically ill
and little kids to get the shot."

OK - I hear ya.

Then, I get the shot and I'm wondering "Hmmmmmm.....I guess that's because
I'm chronically ill." Which I guess I could be considered. Maybe. Although
I've been relatively healthy this year, except for the stomach problems. I
don't like to be thought of as "Chronically Ill" - that's a slippery slope
to invalid.

THEN - Paul's bitch comes over and he says "Yeah, we just got back from the
doctor's - we got our swine flu shots." And I said to him "HUH???? How come?
I thought there was a shortage - why the hell are they giving it to you?"
And he said "Oh - no they are giving it to anyone as long as you are under
62." And I argued with him about it and said I had JUST heard on TV that
there is a shortage and the shot is being rationed to certain groups - none
of which he falls into. And he says no, his doctor is giving it to everyone.

And then the very next day - AGAIN - I heard on TV (Regis & Kelly) - that
there's a shortage.

So why did Paul's bitch get a shot? AND his old lady got a shot - and
there's nothing chronic about them.

You know, it really kind of pissed me off.

Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that everyone
says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the doctor for every
damned thing in the world. This guy has more doctor's appointments than me
and Paul put together. Even since Paul's accident.

Idiot.

That shot should have went to your BIL.

Mark Steese

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:46:07 PM11/8/09
to
"Kim" <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote in
news:hd6jor$n8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org:

> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)

Dang. Get well, Kim.



> Regular Sunday Madness:
>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

I've yet to see any compelling evidence that any life is sacred.



> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing that I know of at the moment. Kind of unusual.



> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is
> that you must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what
> site(s) will you buy it from?

Amazon.com. I might be able to run through the whole thousand just
buying Christmas presents and cleaning out my Wish List; if not, I'm
sure it won't be hard to make up the difference. So where's my $1,000?



> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for
> it?

When I was about four years old my mother took me grocery stopping. I
wandered off and found a cool machine that I could stop and start just
by pressing buttons, which had the unfortunate side-effect of stopping
and starting a conveyor belt in the store's basement that was at that
moment conveying glass bottles full of milk. I remember that my mother
and one of the store employees got into a bit of a shouting match over
the broken milk bottles, but I have no idea how many were broken or
whether my mother ended up paying for them. I have since learned to be
more circumspect when encountering unfamiliar machinery.



> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a
> vehicle).

Maps. I collect 'em, and it's always nice to get a chance to actually
use them.



> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

We both get along quite well with our in-laws.


> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Back in the '80s a friend and I were co-owners of an Apple IIe computer
that got stolen from his house; somebody just walked in one day and
walked out with it. We reported it to the police, who were very
considerate, seeing as how they were dealing with two kids who hadn't
bothered to put any identifying marks on their computer or make sure the
doors were locked when they were out of the house. We got another
computer and exercised more caution about doors.



> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

Never had one or wanted one.



> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Not that I can recall.



> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Everything except responding to this post.
--
Mark Steese
=======================================================================
PS: Your second question, you thought I forgot? I didn't. I never found
the banana slug. - William Least Heat-Moon

Mark Steese

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:04:29 PM11/8/09
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
news:7loctpF...@mid.individual.net:

>>1. Is every life sacred?
>
> Controversial opinion here. No, it isn't. People sky-dive and
> base-jump. Obviously they balance life and fun. Any of the huge
> construction projects places a monetary value on any potential lives
> lost -- supposedly there are several bodies permanently entombed into
> Hoover Dam.

"Supposedly" being the operative word. Workers were killed during the
construction of Hoover Dam (the official death toll is 96), so there's
no argument to be made for their lives being considered sacred, but the
concrete was poured in small sections: it wouldn't have been possible
for workers to fall into wet concrete and sink so deeply as to be
unrecoverable. Indeed, building the dam in a manner that would have
allowed that to happen would have been incredibly stupid from an
engineering standpoint: as the bodies decayed, voids would have opened
up in the concrete, reducing its structural integrity. Not that the
facts have stopped the myth from circulating.

http://nevadaculture.org/nsla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=663&Itemid=95

Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:16:17 PM11/8/09
to
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

> 1. Is every life sacred?

No. I don't weep for dead bacteria.



> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

The dog.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Books from Amazon and Dover, lace weight yarn from Patternworks, dog
toys and a couple of nightgowns from Orvis.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Yes and no. I dropped a dozen eggs at the supermarket once.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

My purse.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

We both get along with them so well it's a draw. However, neither on
of us has parents-in-law, as they have all passed away.



> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Hit and run (minor). Petty theft. Stolen credit card numbers.


> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

The laundry.

Mary "But I've been doing that for several days, with great success."
--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
We didn't just do weird stuff at Dryden, we wrote reports about it.
reunite....@gmail.com or mil...@qnet.com
Visit my blog at http://thedigitalknitter.blogspot.com/

Mary

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:20:34 PM11/8/09
to
Kim wrote:
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)

Ick. I hope you feel better soon.

> Regular Sunday Madness:


>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

Bleh. Sacred belongs to people who believe in deities.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Mr. Frog.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Amazon.com, without even getting everything on my wish list.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Not that I recall.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

A camera.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

My spouse, since my dad is the only one of our parents still alive.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

I don't think so.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

Nope.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Laundry.

Mary

Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:25:32 PM11/8/09
to
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:07:28 -0500, Boron Elgar
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Baking bread. I just got the new Peter Reinhart book. He's a yawning
> bore.

I can't tell .you how glad I am to read this. I thought I was the
only one....

Everyone is jumping onto the no-knead bread making, aren't they? I
got the new book by the guy who started it all in the New York Times,
as well as one by a writer for one of the DC papers, in addition to
Reinhart's. I've bought all the earlier books on the topic, too.

Why in the world they couldn't have gotten this going a few years ago,
before I spent all that money on roller mixers and bigger planetary
mixers, I do not know. Well, I do know, sort of. Bread making is
trendy, but mixing and kneading, even just the fold and turn kind,
require real work and people are always looking to make things easier.
So I buy heavier machinery, because I'm getting osteoarthritis in my
hands, and others come up with no-knead bread and higher hydration
recipes.

Mary "Six of one, half dozen of the other."

Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:30:52 PM11/8/09
to
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:46:09 -0500, Boron Elgar
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:


> Neurosurgeon, who after thorough exam, sees that I have no back or leg
> pain (my neck hurts, but that is nowhere near L-5), exercise
> vigorously 5-7 hours a week, and can practically form myself into a
> pretzel in his exam room (no salt, please), sends me back to the

> neuro to try to find out why I have a very slight numbness at times in


> my left foot and across my cheek from my ear to my nose on the right
> side.

I have this latter numbness and it's easily treated with a monthly
B-12 injection. It's so routine that I can give it to myself.

I'm told that B-12 injections are more commonly prescribed by older
doctors than by younger doctors, as there seems to be no real reason
that it works in such cases, except that it does. It's harmless at
the regular dose and worth trying.

Mary "Nothing to lose but your facial numbness."

Les Albert

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:39:56 PM11/8/09
to
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:28:31 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>OK - I hear ya.
>Then, I get the shot and I'm wondering "Hmmmmmm.....I guess that's because
>I'm chronically ill." Which I guess I could be considered. Maybe. Although
>I've been relatively healthy this year, except for the stomach problems. I
>don't like to be thought of as "Chronically Ill" - that's a slippery slope
>to invalid.
>THEN - Paul's bitch comes over and he says "Yeah, we just got back from the
>doctor's - we got our swine flu shots." And I said to him "HUH???? How come?
>I thought there was a shortage - why the hell are they giving it to you?"
>And he said "Oh - no they are giving it to anyone as long as you are under
>62." And I argued with him about it and said I had JUST heard on TV that
>there is a shortage and the shot is being rationed to certain groups - none
>of which he falls into. And he says no, his doctor is giving it to everyone.
>And then the very next day - AGAIN - I heard on TV (Regis & Kelly) - that
>there's a shortage.
>So why did Paul's bitch get a shot? AND his old lady got a shot - and
>there's nothing chronic about them.
>You know, it really kind of pissed me off.
>Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that everyone
>says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the doctor for every
>damned thing in the world. This guy has more doctor's appointments than me
>and Paul put together. Even since Paul's accident.


Maybe he really is chronically ill with something.

Les

Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:41:44 PM11/8/09
to

It took me three semesters of teaching evening classes at the local
junior college to get so tired of it that I quit. I went into it with
open eyes, too, because my father was a teacher and I'd graded papers
for him for years.

Mary "Q: Name two French products. A: Mustard and gravy mix."[1]

[1] For non-Americans, there is a national company, French's, that
produces hot dog mustard and various seasoning mixes.

Mary

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:41:23 PM11/8/09
to
Kim wrote:

> Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that everyone
> says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the doctor for every
> damned thing in the world. This guy has more doctor's appointments than me
> and Paul put together. Even since Paul's accident.
>
> Idiot.
>
> That shot should have went to your BIL.
>


What are the odds, though, Kim - do you KNOW he got an H1N1 shot?
People assume that they will, but most people are just getting the
regular flu shot.

Mary

Patrick M Geahan

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:38:42 PM11/8/09
to
Kim <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

> 1. Is every life sacred?

Nope.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Amazon. Many many books.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Yep. Offered, the store declined. Actually, we broke two things at
the same time while trying to buy a third.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

GPS navigation unit.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

Tough call; probably me, as I'm more likely to hang with her
siblings than she is with mine

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Plenty. Mostly traffic and pedestrian related.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No parties.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Nope.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Making dinner.

--
-------Patrick M Geahan---...@thepatcave.org---ICQ:3784715------
"You know, this is how the sum total of human knowledge is increased.
Not with idle speculation and meaningless chatter, but with a
medium-sized hammer and some free time." - spa...@pffcu.com, a.f.c-a

Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:03:34 PM11/8/09
to
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:06:15 -0700, Wally Sevits
<rhabdom...@ooltrasw.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
> <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>

> >2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?
>

> 125 lbs of cat litter riding around in the van with me.

It's more moving stuff around, but I need to get the six twelve-packs
of diet Coke out of the back of the van and onto the stack. Both the
van and the stack are in the garage, so I won't bring anything in.

Oops, not true. I just went out to move the Coke and discovered that
I'd forgotten to bring in the Priority Mail packaging that I'd picked
up at the Post Office two or three weeks ago. That's now in and put
away in the closet over the forced-air heater return plenum.

Mary "And I changed the heater filters and took out the old ones."

David Friedman

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In article <c1pef5p765m3bipoj...@4ax.com>,
"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:18:08 -0500, "Charles Wm. Dimmick"
> <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>
> > art...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > >> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?
> > >
> > > Grading lab reports
> >
> > I had that problem from about 1962 through 2005. Then I retired, and
> > haven't had to deal with it since. That was one of the main
> > contributions to the burn-out which led to my retirement...43 years of
> > grading lab reports. I loved the teaching, but the grading gets to you
> > after a while.
>
> It took me three semesters of teaching evening classes at the local
> junior college to get so tired of it that I quit. I went into it with
> open eyes, too, because my father was a teacher and I'd graded papers
> for him for years.

I usually say that grading exams is the only time that being a professor
isn't better than working for a living. Not only is it boring drudgery,
it also is a chance to discover how much worse a job you did than you
thought you were doing.

--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of
_Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_,
Cambridge University Press.

David Friedman

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In article <0snef5lghls5m3u0t...@4ax.com>,

"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:07:28 -0500, Boron Elgar


> <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Baking bread. I just got the new Peter Reinhart book. He's a yawning
> > bore.
>
> I can't tell .you how glad I am to read this. I thought I was the
> only one....
>
> Everyone is jumping onto the no-knead bread making, aren't they?

While folk are talking about bread making, I have a simple question that
I was hoping one of the people here could answer.

What determines how hard/soft, dense/fluffy, bread turns out? There's a
wide range from wonderbread to bagels. If my oat bread turns out softer
than I want it (as it did time before last), is there some simple
variable I can change a bit to make a denser loaf?

I think the only thing I did change this time was making two small loafs
instead of one big one, and it did come out better, I have no idea
whether that's the reason. Shorter rise time perhaps? Does how wet the
dough is affect it?

David Friedman

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:25:14 PM11/8/09
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In article <hd6jor$n8p$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Kim" <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> (I told you I was sick.)
>
>
>

> Regular Sunday Madness:


>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

No.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

There is a chunk of dead black walnut branch that I was thinking of
trying to turn into small boards. But I'm not sure my table saw can
handle it, and my band saw is currently on the sick list.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

Clothing from Beans and Land's End, since we buy some from them
anyway--perhaps a little from Haband, but I'm the only one who buys from
them and I don't need anything of theirs at the moment. Pick our
Christmas book for this year and order a bunch of copies from Amazon.
Probably a few other books from Amazon--there must be something in our
various areas of interests that we don't have.

Doesn't add up to $1000.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Not that I remember.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Laptop. (and cell phone. And keys. And ...).

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

I think both of us get along pretty well with our in-laws. But then,
both of have (or, now, mostly had) nice parents.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

Burglary.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

No.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Trying to catch up on Nanowrimo. Cleaning up various parts of the house.

art...@yahoo.com

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On Nov 8, 7:15 pm, David Friedman <d...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com>
wrote:
> In article <c1pef5p765m3bipojmd8g8ffnrfmm2l...@4ax.com>,
>  "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite.gondw...@gmail.com>

>
>
>
>  wrote:
> > On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:18:08 -0500, "Charles Wm. Dimmick"
> > <cdimm...@snet.net> wrote:
>
> > > art...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > >> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?
>
> > > > Grading lab reports
>
> > > I had that problem from about 1962 through 2005. Then I retired, and
> > > haven't had to deal with it since. That was one of the main
> > > contributions to the burn-out which led to my retirement...43 years of
> > > grading lab reports. I loved the teaching, but the grading gets to you
> > > after a while.
>
> > It took me three semesters of teaching evening classes at the local
> > junior college to get so tired of it that I quit.  I went into it with
> > open eyes, too, because my father was a teacher and I'd graded papers
> > for him for years.
>
> I usually say that grading exams is the only time that being a professor
> isn't better than working for a living. Not only is it boring drudgery,
> it also is a chance to discover how much worse a job you did than you
> thought you were doing.

Yeah I don't like grading labs or exams. Sometimes I think I should
give just multiple choice tests that can be graded by scan trons,
though that still wouldn't cure the depression I get when students do
not seem to get the basics. Luckily there are some students who have a
clue.

Veronique

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On Nov 8, 3:04 pm, Mark Steese <mark_ste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote innews:7loctpF...@mid.individual.net:

>
> >>1. Is every life sacred?
>
> > Controversial opinion here.  No, it isn't.  People sky-dive and
> > base-jump.  Obviously they balance life and fun.  Any of the huge
> > construction projects places a monetary value on any potential lives
> > lost -- supposedly there are several bodies permanently entombed into
> > Hoover Dam.
>
> "Supposedly" being the operative word. Workers were killed during the
> construction of Hoover Dam (the official death toll is 96), so there's
> no argument to be made for their lives being considered sacred, but the
> concrete was poured in small sections: it wouldn't have been possible
> for workers to fall into wet concrete and sink so deeply as to be
> unrecoverable. Indeed, building the dam in a manner that would have
> allowed that to happen would have been incredibly stupid from an
> engineering standpoint: as the bodies decayed, voids would have opened
> up in the concrete, reducing its structural integrity. Not that the
> facts have stopped the myth from circulating.
>
> http://nevadaculture.org/nsla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&...


Pffft. I know someone who worked with someone whose father helped
build the Hoover Dam who said he actually saw the finger bones
sticking out of the wall off-limits to public sight.


V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep

David Friedman

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:26:36 PM11/8/09
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In article <Xns9CBD9961...@130.133.1.4>,
Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
> news:7loctpF...@mid.individual.net:
>
> >>1. Is every life sacred?
> >
> > Controversial opinion here. No, it isn't. People sky-dive and
> > base-jump. Obviously they balance life and fun. Any of the huge
> > construction projects places a monetary value on any potential lives
> > lost -- supposedly there are several bodies permanently entombed into
> > Hoover Dam.
>
> "Supposedly" being the operative word. Workers were killed during the
> construction of Hoover Dam (the official death toll is 96), so there's
> no argument to be made for their lives being considered sacred, but the
> concrete was poured in small sections: it wouldn't have been possible
> for workers to fall into wet concrete and sink so deeply as to be
> unrecoverable. Indeed, building the dam in a manner that would have
> allowed that to happen would have been incredibly stupid from an
> engineering standpoint: as the bodies decayed, voids would have opened
> up in the concrete, reducing its structural integrity. Not that the
> facts have stopped the myth from circulating.

My usual rule of thumb is that any historical anecdote should be
distrusted if it makes a good enough story to have survived on its
literary merit.

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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So that makes it the father of a friend of a friend, or a FofFofF.

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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I did that for the very large freshman lecture sections, but even there
only half the test was multiple-choice. The rest would be a bunch of
short answer and fill-in-the blanks. And I always graded them by hand,
even the multiple-choice parts, as I wanted to get an immediate feel of
what questions caused the most problems. I would cover both exams and
lab reports with red ink, giving correct answers or at least where to go
to get the correct answers. Upper division exams were always short essay
type, or problem sets, and I would often write almost as much as the
student did for some of the answers. The less I felt compelled to write
the better the grade I gave. On average, grading tests, reports, and
assignments took about 10-12 hours a week.

Charles

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:00:15 PM11/8/09
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Veronique wrote:

> Antique barrister bookcase or antique oak armoire on eBay. Or half or
> a third of one.

When I lived in New Orleans I used to be able to buy those barrister
bookcases at $5 a section. Unfortunately I was a graduate student, and
dirt-poor. I only bought 8 sections. One of my professors had over 100
sections.

Charles

Boron Elgar

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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:28:31 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Boron Elgar wrote:
>>Odd distributions that many
>> localities are undertaking.
>
>Oh dude - see, this is what we were JUST talking about. I swear.

It is very big news in this area.

>And then the very next day - AGAIN - I heard on TV (Regis & Kelly) - that
>there's a shortage.
>
>So why did Paul's bitch get a shot? AND his old lady got a shot - and
>there's nothing chronic about them.
>
>You know, it really kind of pissed me off.
>

>That shot should have went to your BIL.

Thanks, I certainly thought so.

My sister said that the high risk groups were being ignored at the
2-counties away place. It pissed her off, too.

The Medicaid may be why the meds were even made available to them. The
state may have supplied it whatever facility they used. Or it could be
they may do not understand the diff between the regular flu shot and
an H1N1 and might have gotten the regular kind. (the medical
difference is negligible and only relates to strain).

Boron


Les Albert

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I think I know someone who knows that guy.

Les

Tim Wright

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:51:51 PM11/8/09
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Now just give that some thought for a second. For bones to be sticking
out from the wall, they would have had to be protruding through the
forms used in casting the concrete.

--

Tim W

Onomatopoeia
A word that sounds like the sound it sounds like.

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:53:56 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:25:32 -0800, "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary
Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:07:28 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Baking bread. I just got the new Peter Reinhart book. He's a yawning
>> bore.
>
>I can't tell .you how glad I am to read this. I thought I was the
>only one....

I am one of the bread bakers ho has never worshipped at his shrine -
although I hear he is a really nice guy.


The earlier Rinehatr books were way too fussy, making bread recipes
that went on for too many pages. The recipe I have in the fridge now
called for "chilled water." Bullshit. The stuff is supposed to bulk
ferment in the fridge. It doesn't need chilled water.

Sure, if you want to learn a new technique the book MAY be swell, but
the only people who are going to use a book by Reinhart are those who
already have some idea of what they are doing. A novice bread maker
would become hopelessly lost in a really fast way.

He does a decent job of explaining some things in the book,
simplifying a lot of what he used to put forth as gospel and inerrant,
so I am happy for that, but I am only after the recipes to give me
ideas. I am a bread book ho. I want all the bread books ever written,
each and every one.

>Everyone is jumping onto the no-knead bread making, aren't they? I
>got the new book by the guy who started it all in the New York Times,
>as well as one by a writer for one of the DC papers, in addition to
>Reinhart's. I've bought all the earlier books on the topic, too.

Lahey?

>Why in the world they couldn't have gotten this going a few years ago,
>before I spent all that money on roller mixers and bigger planetary
>mixers, I do not know. Well, I do know, sort of. Bread making is
>trendy, but mixing and kneading, even just the fold and turn kind,
>require real work and people are always looking to make things easier.
>So I buy heavier machinery, because I'm getting osteoarthritis in my
>hands, and others come up with no-knead bread and higher hydration
>recipes.
>
>Mary "Six of one, half dozen of the other."

I like to stretch and fold, but with some doughs it is just royal pain
- such as the ciabatta I am making from that book. I decided to S&F,
and the dough was SO hydrated that it was sloppy and I was losing
dough to my hands and fingers with every S&F.

He gets too much equipment dirty, too. That comes of having other
people do the prep and mise en place. He isn't the only food writer
abou whom I can the accusation.


Boron

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:57:32 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:18:44 -0800, David Friedman
<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:

>In article <0snef5lghls5m3u0t...@4ax.com>,
> "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:07:28 -0500, Boron Elgar
>> <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Baking bread. I just got the new Peter Reinhart book. He's a yawning
>> > bore.
>>
>> I can't tell .you how glad I am to read this. I thought I was the
>> only one....
>>
>> Everyone is jumping onto the no-knead bread making, aren't they?
>
>While folk are talking about bread making, I have a simple question that
>I was hoping one of the people here could answer.
>
>What determines how hard/soft, dense/fluffy, bread turns out? There's a
>wide range from wonderbread to bagels. If my oat bread turns out softer
>than I want it (as it did time before last), is there some simple
>variable I can change a bit to make a denser loaf?
>
>I think the only thing I did change this time was making two small loafs
>instead of one big one, and it did come out better, I have no idea
>whether that's the reason. Shorter rise time perhaps? Does how wet the
>dough is affect it?


Ratio of water/liquid to dry ingredients is one thing. Fats and
ingredients such as milk can affect both crust and crumb, too, and the
types of flour/grains can also impact the final loaf texture.

And, yes, rising or proofing can make a difference, especially if you
are using the clock to time your rise.

Boron

Boron Elgar

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:59:53 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:30:52 -0800, "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary
Shafer)" <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:46:09 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Neurosurgeon, who after thorough exam, sees that I have no back or leg
>> pain (my neck hurts, but that is nowhere near L-5), exercise
>> vigorously 5-7 hours a week, and can practically form myself into a
>> pretzel in his exam room (no salt, please), sends me back to the
>> neuro to try to find out why I have a very slight numbness at times in
>> my left foot and across my cheek from my ear to my nose on the right
>> side.
>
>I have this latter numbness and it's easily treated with a monthly
>B-12 injection. It's so routine that I can give it to myself.

Nope, not B-12. That was the first thing we looked at. If it were
B-12, the numbness would probably be bilateral in the feet, too.


>
>I'm told that B-12 injections are more commonly prescribed by older
>doctors than by younger doctors, as there seems to be no real reason
>that it works in such cases, except that it does. It's harmless at
>the regular dose and worth trying.

I have been on the supplements since the numbness first appeared. Got
an injection of it, too, but for S&G.


>
>Mary "Nothing to lose but your facial numbness."

I think that may be herpes zoster, actually.

Boron

Bill Turlock

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My thoughts too.

Veronique

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Hey, who ya gonna believe, someone posting on the internet who said a
friend's coworker''s father said he SAW it, or your own measured
rationality and logic?

Tim Wright

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:43:15 PM11/8/09
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I must confess to a certain degree of bias toward my own measured
rationality and logic.

huey.c...@gmail.com

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Kim <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 1. Is every life sacred?

Define 'sacred'. 'life' too, for that matter.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Joyfulness.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is
> that you must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what
> site(s) will you buy it from?

I'm going to log in to my bank's website and pay bills with it.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store?

Nope.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a
> vehicle).

Something to drink.

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

My first wife got along better with my family than she did with her own.
My second wife didn't really get along with anybody.
The current girlfriend also seems to get along better with my family
than she does with her own. I don't mind her parents all that much, but
then again, I've never had to cope with them for longer than a week.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

The neighborhood punks stole a GPS out of my truck last year.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

Yesterday, in fact. Not really.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Nope.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Going home.

--
Huey

Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:32:51 AM11/9/09
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:18:44 -0800, David Friedman
<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:

> While folk are talking about bread making, I have a simple question that
> I was hoping one of the people here could answer.
>
> What determines how hard/soft, dense/fluffy, bread turns out? There's a
> wide range from wonderbread to bagels. If my oat bread turns out softer
> than I want it (as it did time before last), is there some simple
> variable I can change a bit to make a denser loaf?

Regarding broader classes of bread, using milk or adding butter makes
bread softer and with smaller holes, compared to not using either. Oat
flour makes a softer, richer bread, too. Maybe use less oat flour?
Or maybe less water?

> I think the only thing I did change this time was making two small loafs
> instead of one big one, and it did come out better, I have no idea
> whether that's the reason. Shorter rise time perhaps? Does how wet the
> dough is affect it?

Loaf size and shape do have some effect on density, partly because of
the handling involved. Rise and proof time also change with size.
Ditto baking time. Sometimes bread just does something funny to mess
with your head. That's not very helpful, though, and I'm sorry.

Mary "I never expect consistency, so I'm rarely surprised."

hpjeannie

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On Nov 8, 6:14 am, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>

wrote:
> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.

Another stat! Get well soon!

> (I told you I was sick.)

You're such a ham.

> Regular Sunday Madness:


>
> 1. Is every life sacred?

Yes. But that doesn't mean I don't swat flies and mosquitoes whenever
they're in the house.

> 2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

It's getting nippy, so I should bring the spider plant in under the
deck roof. We don't have room in the house for more plants than will
fit in the garden window, which at last count is five African violets,
a small peace lily, a stalk of sage from a Yosemite roadside, and some
verbena-like ground cover (but not verbena) that I picked and was
hoping would sprout roots. It isn't, and the water is just getting
yellower and yellower.

> 3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
> must spend it online.  What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
> buy it from?

A rack for my motorcycle from the Rebel shop, a new deskside PC for
the hub from wherever the right one is cheapest, and the rest on
Amazon for books and CDs.

> 4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Yes, I bumped a plate in a secondhand shop. Fortunately it was only
$2.

> 5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Powdered bubble bath. (I like the liquid stuff more, but it sometimes
leaks during altitude changes.)

> 6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

I get along with mine just fine; in fact, my FIL and I are very much
alike. My husband loves my mom but she drives him crazy sometimes by
getting in the way ("trying to help") when he's trying to do something
for her, like string the Christmas lights. It's hysterical because
she always gripes about the cat being underfoot when she's trying to
prune her shrubs, and yet she's exactly the same way.

> 7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

I loaned a co-worker "friend" $700 that she never paid back, and once
my purse was stolen...granted, I had accidentally left it on the curb
behind a fast-food place for five minutes, but that was long enough
for a "crime of opportunity" by one of the high-schoolers passing
through.

> 8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
> surprised?

I have helped throw successful surprise parties, but one has never
been thrown for me. I think I'm glad.

> 9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

No, but I have occasionally deliberately lost games to make the other
player (daughter or hubby) feel good.

> 10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Great question! Taking a bath and going to bed. 'Night!

Jeannie

hpjeannie

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:28:06 AM11/9/09
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On Nov 8, 7:44 am, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Boron Elgar wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"

> > <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> I officially have the Hiney flu. Was tested and diagnosed.
>
> > Ouch. Hope you feel better fast. Not a good week to be sick, what with
> > Paul's surgery and all.   How long did it take to get the test
> > results?  It's wicked when you have to sit around sick and wait to
> > find out what you have.
>
> Not a good *month* to be sick. Because when Paul doesn't feel good, well,
> the whole world must stop and mourn. When *Kim* is sick, the only concession
> I get is "Oh, you don't feel good? Well, you can just make me something
> light for dinner, if that would be easier for you."

Aww, he should be nicer like mine is. The people at the stable are
saying my horse is not doing well, and he said he'd fix himself a
sandwich if I didn't feel like making dinner.

I made it anyway (turkey spaghetti) because I needed something to do.

Jeannie

hpjeannie

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:35:00 AM11/9/09
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On Nov 8, 2:28 pm, "Kim" <darwinexceptiontakethis...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
> And then the very next day - AGAIN - I heard on TV (Regis & Kelly) - that
> there's a shortage.
>
> So why did Paul's bitch get a shot? AND his old lady got a shot - and
> there's nothing chronic about them.
>
> You know, it really kind of pissed me off.
>
> Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that everyone
> says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the doctor for every
> damned thing in the world. This guy has more doctor's appointments than me
> and Paul put together. Even since Paul's accident.

His doctor probably gave them the shots because he knew that if he
didn't, they'd harass him for them until he gave in anyway. I know a
few people like that; they boast of the "special treatment" they get,
but the rest of us know that they get the special treatment just so
they'll shut up and go away.

Jeannie

Veronique

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On Nov 8, 9:28 pm, hpjeannie <hpjean...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> Aww, he should be nicer like mine is.  The people at the stable are
> saying my horse is not doing well, and he said he'd fix himself a
> sandwich if I didn't feel like making dinner.
>
> I made it anyway (turkey spaghetti) because I needed something to do.


Oh no! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you both.

QueBarbara

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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:41:23 GMT, Mary <mrfea...@aol.c0m> wrote:

>Kim wrote:
>
>> Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that everyone
>> says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the doctor for every
>> damned thing in the world. This guy has more doctor's appointments than me
>> and Paul put together. Even since Paul's accident.
>>

>> Idiot.
>>
>> That shot should have went to your BIL.
>>
>
>
>What are the odds, though, Kim - do you KNOW he got an H1N1 shot?
>People assume that they will, but most people are just getting the
>regular flu shot.
>

Tactically and objectively speaking, this is pretty cool, since I live
in a large city and don't personally know anyone IRL who has been
diagnosed with swine flu. But it is heartening to see that both Kim
and Shirley, who live in small towns with (I assume) little
interaction with high risk groups, have battled the flu and come out
of their bouts successfully in spite of their comprised immune
systems. Full of hope I am that other high-risk groups who contract
the virus will have similar outcomes.

--
QueBarbara

Peter Ward

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Nov 9, 2009, 5:13:46 AM11/9/09
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hpjeannie says...

> The people at the stable are
> saying my horse is not doing well, and he said he'd fix himself a
> sandwich if I didn't feel like making dinner.

That's a smart horse.

--

Peter, from outside the asylum

I'm an alien
email: usenet at peterward dot adsl24 dot co dot uk
http://blowinsmoke.wordpress.com/
Even if you're right someone here will undoubtedly set you straight.
- Jen

Mary

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On Nov 9, 12:01 am, QueBarbara <que.barbara.l...@go-awaygmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:41:23 GMT, Mary <mrfeath...@aol.c0m> wrote:
>
> >What are the odds, though, Kim - do you KNOW he got an H1N1 shot?
> >People assume that they will, but most people are just getting the
> >regular flu shot.
>
> Tactically and objectively speaking, this is pretty cool, since I live
> in a large city and don't personally know anyone IRL who has been
> diagnosed with swine flu.  But it is heartening to see that both Kim
> and Shirley, who live in small towns with (I assume) little
> interaction with high risk groups, have battled the flu and come out
> of their bouts successfully  in spite of their comprised immune
> systems.  Full of hope I am that other high-risk groups who contract
> the virus will have similar outcomes.


I'm not sure I think it's tactical. I think people just don't know
what they're getting. Most place I've seen offering flu shots are
pretty clear about whether they are or are not for H1N1. But I'm
continually amazed by people who don't read the notices on the wall,
etc, so it wouldn't surprise me if people thought they were getting a
shot for H1N1 and didn't.

I do know people who've had it and came through just fine. The worst
case I'm aware of is a 2-year old who developed pneumonia, which she
recovered from. She's fine. This is what they've been saying -
people under 21 are more at risk from H1N1 than those of us in (ahem)
middle age.

Mary

Boron Elgar

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:28:58 -0800 (PST), Mary <mrfea...@aol.com>
wrote:


>I'm not sure I think it's tactical. I think people just don't know
>what they're getting. Most place I've seen offering flu shots are
>pretty clear about whether they are or are not for H1N1. But I'm
>continually amazed by people who don't read the notices on the wall,
>etc, so it wouldn't surprise me if people thought they were getting a
>shot for H1N1 and didn't.

That is quite true.


>
>I do know people who've had it and came through just fine. The worst
>case I'm aware of is a 2-year old who developed pneumonia, which she
>recovered from. She's fine. This is what they've been saying -
>people under 21 are more at risk from H1N1 than those of us in (ahem)
>middle age.
>
>Mary


The increased incidence of risk is for complications resulting from
H1N1, not of contracting the virus itself, at least so far. Although
the flu season seems to have started earlier this year and some
numbers are anomalous, it'll take awhile to see really how the overall
contagion risk is, and how and why, if at all, H1N1 differs from other
flu outbreaks insofar as spread. These outbreaks ebb and flow,
tracking is now more sophisticated than it was years ago and
confirmation testing is, too.

Take a look at how NY State tracks things by using a set of what they
call "Sentinel Providers" to help monitor the incidence of flu and
flu-like illness visits for care. These data do not include NY City,
which does its own tracking.

http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseases/communicable/influenza/surveillance/2009-2010/

They also talk about testing for the flu:
http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseases/communicable/influenza/h1n1/public/fact_sheets/flu_test.htm

Who should be tested for H1N1 flu?

Most people who have flu symptoms will not be tested, and do not need
to be tested. Your treatment will be based on severity of symptoms and
how likely you are to have complications of flu � not on the basis of
a test result. As part of a statewide system to track the spread of
H1N1 flu, some people may be tested for H1N1 flu.
Flu tests are available, but most people won't need them

Flu tests differ in their ability to detect the flu virus, how quickly
results are available and their ability to tell apart the different
kinds of flu viruses.

* Rapid tests performed in a doctor's office may tell if you have
the flu, and some rapid tests can tell if it is an influenza "A"
strain or "B" strain. But rapid tests cannot determine the specific
strain of flu, called a "sub-type." One major drawback of rapid tests
is that the results can be negative even if you have the flu.
* A specific laboratory test is needed to tell the difference
between H1N1 flu and regular, seasonal flu. Currently, only a few
laboratories can test for the new H1N1 flu. These tests can take
several days to provide results.
* Most people with flu symptoms do not need a test for H1N1 flu
because the test results usually do not change how you are treated.


http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseases/communicable/influenza/surveillance/2009-2010/

Dover Beach

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Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:9tsef51h6765qcmpo...@4ax.com:

> I am one of the bread bakers ho

Now, now, you really shouldn't talk about yourself that way.

--
Dover

Boron Elgar

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On 9 Nov 2009 15:47:46 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Oh...(backwards)

Jon M

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:28:58 -0800 (PST), Mary <mrfea...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 9, 12:01�am, QueBarbara <que.barbara.l...@go-awaygmail.com>


>wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:41:23 GMT, Mary <mrfeath...@aol.c0m> wrote:
>>
>> >What are the odds, though, Kim - do you KNOW he got an H1N1 shot?
>> >People assume that they will, but most people are just getting the
>> >regular flu shot.
>>
>> Tactically and objectively speaking, this is pretty cool, since I live
>> in a large city and don't personally know anyone IRL who has been
>> diagnosed with swine flu. �But it is heartening to see that both Kim
>> and Shirley, who live in small towns with (I assume) little
>> interaction with high risk groups, have battled the flu and come out
>> of their bouts successfully �in spite of their comprised immune
>> systems. �Full of hope I am that other high-risk groups who contract
>> the virus will have similar outcomes.
>
>
>I'm not sure I think it's tactical. I think people just don't know
>what they're getting. Most place I've seen offering flu shots are
>pretty clear about whether they are or are not for H1N1. But I'm
>continually amazed by people who don't read the notices on the wall,
>etc, so it wouldn't surprise me if people thought they were getting a
>shot for H1N1 and didn't.

The H1N1 flu vaccinations in my area are of the nasal spray variety,
so it's pretty easy to tell which one you got. (Hint: If you got a
shot, it was the seasonal flu vaccine.) Since FluMist is in short
supply here, it's only being given to people who meet the high risk
criteria.

According to Group Health Northwest,

"Priority groups for H1N1 flu vaccine include:

* Pregnant women
* People who live with or provide care for infants younger than 6
months (for example, parents, siblings, and daycare providers)
* Health-care and emergency medical services workers who have
direct contact with patients or infectious material
* Children aged 6 months through 4 years
* Children and teens aged 5 to 18 years who have medical
conditions that put them at higher risk for influenza-related
complications"

But some people aren't able to take the nasal spray:

"FluMist cannot be given to children under 2 years, adults over 49
years, pregnant women, or people with underlying health conditions."

There's quite a bit of overlap between the people who *should* get the
H1N1 vaccination and the people who can't take the only variety that's
available. An eighteen year old pregnant woman with underlying health
conditions is just screwed, no matter how you look at it.

Jon M

Slow Motion Apocalypse

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:27:01 PM11/9/09
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I just assumed when I got it it would take me out from the way I
usually feel day to day,

Charlie Pearce

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:21:00 PM11/9/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>1. Is every life sacred?

You'd need to explain to me what you mean by "sacred".

>2. What is outside that you really need to bring inside?

Nothing I can think of.

>3. Challenge: You have $1,000. The only condition on the $1,000 is that you
>must spend it online. What are you going to buy and what site(s) will you
>buy it from?

I don't know many sites that take dollars.

>4. Have you ever broken anything in a store? Did you have to pay for it?

Not that I recall.

>5. What is one thing you always take on road trips (besides a vehicle).

Road trips?

>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?

I have no spouse.

>7. Have you ever been the victim of a crime? What crime?

My car was stolen nearly ten years ago, which was doubly annoying as
I'd just bought a house with a garage, so I wouldn't have to leave it
outdoors any more.

>8. Have you ever had somebody throw you a surprise party? And were you
>surprised?

No, and I find the question totally bizarre. Do you mean "Has
somebody ever thrown a surprise party for you?"

>9. Have you ever deliberately failed a test?

Yes. Between the ages of about 9 and 14 I was apparently very good at
singing. So I was dressed up in funny clothes with frilly necks every
Sunday, made to perform for elderly relatives and old people in
nursing homes, performed the solo in Once In Royal David's City at
Christmas etc., and I hated every minute of it. So when I changed
schools aged 13 and had an audition for the choir, I deliberately sang
badly, and wasn't selected. I had beaten the system!

Of course, I'd love to have a decent singing voice now, but don't.

>10. What are you putting off doing right now?

Vacuuming.

Charlie
--
Email killed by spammers - please ask for the real one.

Kim

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:48:20 PM11/9/09
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Les Albert wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:28:31 -0500, "Kim"
> <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> OK - I hear ya.
>> Then, I get the shot and I'm wondering "Hmmmmmm.....I guess that's
>> because I'm chronically ill." Which I guess I could be considered.
>> Maybe. Although I've been relatively healthy this year, except for
>> the stomach problems. I don't like to be thought of as "Chronically
>> Ill" - that's a slippery slope to invalid.
>> THEN - Paul's bitch comes over and he says "Yeah, we just got back
>> from the doctor's - we got our swine flu shots." And I said to him
>> "HUH???? How come? I thought there was a shortage - why the hell are
>> they giving it to you?" And he said "Oh - no they are giving it to
>> anyone as long as you are under
>> 62." And I argued with him about it and said I had JUST heard on TV
>> that there is a shortage and the shot is being rationed to certain
>> groups - none of which he falls into. And he says no, his doctor is
>> giving it to everyone. And then the very next day - AGAIN - I heard

>> on TV (Regis & Kelly) - that there's a shortage.
>> So why did Paul's bitch get a shot? AND his old lady got a shot - and
>> there's nothing chronic about them.
>> You know, it really kind of pissed me off.
>> Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that
>> everyone says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the
>> doctor for every damned thing in the world. This guy has more
>> doctor's appointments than me and Paul put together. Even since
>> Paul's accident.
>
>
> Maybe he really is chronically ill with something.

If he was, I'd be the first one to encourage him to go to the doctor. I
really would. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with him. He could lose
some weight, but that's not contributing to his doctor's appointments at
all. Last week he was at the doctors probably 6 times. And once was for a
"discoloration on my big toenail - it's been there for years and I finally
have Medicaid so I can get it looked at."

Doctor's diagnosis? "Discoloration on the toenail."

Idiot.
--
Kim
www.thedarwinexception.wordpress.com
* I stand against stuff. I am also unhappy with things..*


Kim

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:50:40 PM11/9/09
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Mary wrote:

> Kim wrote:
>
>> Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that
>> everyone says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the
>> doctor for every damned thing in the world. This guy has more
>> doctor's appointments than me and Paul put together. Even since
>> Paul's accident. Idiot.

>>
>> That shot should have went to your BIL.
>>
>
>
> What are the odds, though, Kim - do you KNOW he got an H1N1 shot?
> People assume that they will, but most people are just getting the
> regular flu shot.

No - it was H1N1. He got the regular flu shot a few weeks ago at the
drugstore. I remember, because I laughed at him for getting it at the
drugstore. But I guess they had some kind of clinic set up there.

The one he got a few days ago was the swine flu - and his kids got it, too.
They got the nose spray thing and he and his wife got a shot.

hpjeannie

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:06:09 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 2:13 am, Peter Ward <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> hpjeannie says...
>
> > The people at the stable are
> > saying my horse is not doing well, and he said he'd fix himself a
> > sandwich if I didn't feel like making dinner.
>
> That's a smart horse.

Opposable horseshoes?

Jeannie

hpjeannie

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:10:33 PM11/9/09
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Thanks - your crossed fingers worked! They gave her some electrolytes
and blanketed her, and she was much perkier this morning, eating and
drinking on her own and following her buddy around. Whew!

Blood draw this afternoon to test for Cushing's and to make sure
things are back to normal after her abcessed-tooth problems. We're
going up this weekend for a visit. Will be odd to see her without
three of her front teeth - not that she shows them very much anyway,
but still. Sounds like she's lipping up her food and some of the new
grass just fine, though.

Jeannie
even for horses, getting old ain't for sissies

M. Shirley Chong

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:28:15 PM11/9/09
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Kim wrote:

> THEN - Paul's bitch comes over and he says "Yeah, we just got back from the
> doctor's - we got our swine flu shots." And I said to him "HUH???? How come?
> I thought there was a shortage - why the hell are they giving it to you?"
> And he said "Oh - no they are giving it to anyone as long as you are under
> 62." And I argued with him about it and said I had JUST heard on TV that
> there is a shortage and the shot is being rationed to certain groups - none
> of which he falls into. And he says no, his doctor is giving it to everyone.
>
> And then the very next day - AGAIN - I heard on TV (Regis & Kelly) - that
> there's a shortage.

Considering the source, I think it is possible that he and his
girlfriend got regular flu shots (abundantly available) but were
confused as to which shot they got.

Shirley

Snidely

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:01:54 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 8, 10:47 am, Boron Elgar <boron_el...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:32:09 -0800, Les Albert <lalbe...@aol.com>
> wrote:

> >I am not making light of any of your problems, but you have enough
> >there for *several* of those N.Y. Times Sunday magazine section
> >articles, "Diagnosis".  This one in particular, "a very slight


> >numbness at times in my left foot and across my cheek from my ear to

> >my nose on the right side.".
>
[...]
> The neurologist think the two areas of numbness may be unrelated. I
> agree with her.

check nerves come from around the ear or temple, don't they? Is your
diadem fitting too tight?

/dps

Snidely

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:09:36 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 8, 9:35 pm, hpjeannie <hpjean...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> His doctor probably gave them the shots because he knew that if he
> didn't, they'd harass him for them until he gave in anyway.  I know a
> few people like that; they boast of the "special treatment" they get,
> but the rest of us know that they get the special treatment just so
> they'll shut up and go away.

Which of course is positive reinforcement for the behaviour.

/dps

Snidely

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:28:07 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 8, 5:03 pm, "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)"
<reunite.gondw...@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]
> Both the
> van and the stack are in the garage, so I won't bring anything in.
>
> Oops, not true.  I just went out to move the Coke and discovered that
> I'd forgotten to bring in the Priority Mail packaging that I'd picked
> up at the Post Office two or three weeks ago.  That's now in and put
> away in the closet over the forced-air heater return plenum.  

I first read this "Priority Mail package" -- and figured it musta been
important.

/dps "oops"

Snidely

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:33:01 PM11/9/09
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On Nov 8, 10:45 am, Veronique <veroniqueuni...@gmail.com> wrote:

> and we're heading off to bike up to the Sea Glass Festival.

The Pacific? "The sea like glass before us ..."

Floats? My parents collected quite a few different sized ones, some
with net remnants. By the time I was a beach rat, the switch to
plastic had already begun.

Intriguing? Tell us more.

/dps

Veronique

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:40:27 PM11/9/09
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Bits of colored glass from all the floats, beer bottles, smashed tail
lights from cars that have driven off the pier accidentally, and more
intriguing, colored art glass dumped by Lundberg Glass off a cliff
near Davenport (for the purpose of becoming found and incorporated
into sea glass art, presumably.)

The Festival is a consortium of different artists, mostly jewelry, who
were selling stuff for the holidays.

S. Checker

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Nov 9, 2009, 4:16:21 PM11/9/09
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Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:14:49 -0500, "Kim"
> <darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>6. Who gets along better with their in-laws - you or your spouse?
>
> We're down to one of four. No problems there at all.

So after you took care of the first three, the fourth got the message?
--
The neist time gentlemen cam to tak their schepe They are no te' be
scabbit!
-- Clan Robson

Boron Elgar

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Nov 9, 2009, 5:25:56 PM11/9/09
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:50:40 -0500, "Kim"
<darwinexcepti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Mary wrote:
>> Kim wrote:
>>
>>> Mostly because he's a hypochondriac and is one of those people that
>>> everyone says will happen - he got Medicaid and he runs to the
>>> doctor for every damned thing in the world. This guy has more
>>> doctor's appointments than me and Paul put together. Even since
>>> Paul's accident. Idiot.
>>>
>>> That shot should have went to your BIL.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What are the odds, though, Kim - do you KNOW he got an H1N1 shot?
>> People assume that they will, but most people are just getting the
>> regular flu shot.
>
>No - it was H1N1. He got the regular flu shot a few weeks ago at the
>drugstore. I remember, because I laughed at him for getting it at the
>drugstore. But I guess they had some kind of clinic set up there.

If he had the money to pay drugstore clinic prices , rather than seek
it for free, he is doing well.


>
>The one he got a few days ago was the swine flu - and his kids got it, too.
>They got the nose spray thing and he and his wife got a shot.


Depending on the age of the kids, you might want to tell him they may
need two doses, 3-4 weeks apart if they are 9 or younger.

Boron

Boron Elgar

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Nov 9, 2009, 5:28:18 PM11/9/09
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And yes, the weight of all the jewels can even cause headache and the
sparkles from them can cause an aura. Nasty things, those diadems.

Trigeminal nerve seems to be the one that is affected. I'll know more
in a few weeks.


Boron

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