Rhyming Curses ???
Doug
No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
Now, I can understand in the case of a Shakespeare _MacBeth_.
The entire piece is done in a rhyme. But, now that I think
of it, other movies and shows have just the part with a curse
in rhyme.
Well, does anyone know or have a fairly good guess why?
I mean specifically with pieces that have no rhyme otherwise.
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Doug wrote in message <7bakmt$cco$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
>Was watching _Sleeping Beauty_ with my son. The old Disney one.
>No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
>a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
>
>Now, I can understand in the case of a Shakespeare _MacBeth_.
>The entire piece is done in a rhyme. But, now that I think
>of it, other movies and shows have just the part with a curse
>in rhyme.
>
>Well, does anyone know or have a fairly good guess why?
>I mean specifically with pieces that have no rhyme otherwise.
>
Well, I'll take a swing at it. Two possibilities:
1. Since spells have, traditionally, required very precise actions and
words to work, wrapping the verbal portion into a rhyme would make it much
easier to remember.
2. Alternately, some have proposed that the actions involved in casting a
spell are merely autohypnosis designed to place one's psyche in the proper
frame for magic. The repetition of rhyming would facilitate this process.
--
I shave with Occam's Razor every morning.
David Garcia
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Doug wrote:
> Was watching _Sleeping Beauty_ with my son. The old Disney one.
> No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
> a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
>
> Now, I can understand in the case of a Shakespeare _MacBeth_.
> The entire piece is done in a rhyme. But, now that I think
> of it, other movies and shows have just the part with a curse
> in rhyme.
>
> Well, does anyone know or have a fairly good guess why?
> I mean specifically with pieces that have no rhyme otherwise.
I'm still trying to figure out why Jesse Jackson's speeches
always have to rhyme... ;-)
David Garcia
d-g...@worldnet.att.net
robert temple
d...@not.spam (Doug) Rhyming Curses ???
to rhyme?"
When dealing with incantations and other forms of magic, rhyme adds
power to the mysterious part of it ... you know, you probably can't
think of a curse that worked without having rhyme. It helps remove the
curse from the realm of the ordinary and carry it off to
netherworldliness. Rhyme has other uses, of course; often used in
children's games and then has no dangerous overtones.
Robert William Vesterman
>Was watching _Sleeping Beauty_ with my son. The old Disney one.
>No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
>a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
>
>Now, I can understand in the case of a Shakespeare _MacBeth_.
>The entire piece is done in a rhyme. But, now that I think
>of it, other movies and shows have just the part with a curse
>in rhyme.
>
>Well, does anyone know or have a fairly good guess why?
They just don't seem to work, otherwise. I think it may be that the
creative energy put into the rhyme is somehow transferred to the curse
itself. Given that assumption, there are probably other ways to get
the same amount of energy into your curses, but rhyming has always
worked for mine.
Bob Vesterman.
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Doug
>
> Zetan's Book of Enlightenment reveals that on Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:55:24
> -0800, Doug wrote:
>
> >Was watching _Sleeping Beauty_ with my son. The old Disney one.
> >No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
> >a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
>
> magic-user would be in danger of casting unwanted spells all day long, and
> even if she talked in her sleep!
I think I'll try this explanation.
Should be good enough for a ten year old ...
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| "History shows again and again
| How Nature points up the folly of men."
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From the song "Iron Man", right?
Anton Sherwood
: ------------------------------------<*>---
: | "History shows again and again
: | How Nature points up the folly of men."
: ------------------------------------------
Doug <d...@not.spam> writes
: From the song "Iron Man", right?
I dunno about "Iron Man", but I hear the next line as "Go go Godzilla"
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Lord Jubjub
<laza...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Doug wrote in message <7bakmt$cco$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
> >Was watching _Sleeping Beauty_ with my son. The old Disney one.
> >No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
> >a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
> >
> >Now, I can understand in the case of a Shakespeare _MacBeth_.
> >The entire piece is done in a rhyme. But, now that I think
> >of it, other movies and shows have just the part with a curse
> >in rhyme.
> >
> >Well, does anyone know or have a fairly good guess why?
> >I mean specifically with pieces that have no rhyme otherwise.
> >
>
> Well, I'll take a swing at it. Two possibilities:
> 1. Since spells have, traditionally, required very precise actions and
> words to work, wrapping the verbal portion into a rhyme would make it much
> easier to remember.
> 2. Alternately, some have proposed that the actions involved in casting a
> spell are merely autohypnosis designed to place one's psyche in the proper
> frame for magic. The repetition of rhyming would facilitate this process.
>
>
a third possibility (more of an additional factor than a proper reason)
3. The juxtaposition of a child-like rhyme and a dark curse seems to be
very effective for scaring people.
--
Lord Jubjub, Ruler of the Jabberwocky
Ed Fisher
opinion, overused lyrics and poems. Some very silly rhymes were put in
there said in a very deep bass voice, slowly. It sounded very, very odd to
hear these lighthearted children's songs spoken like this. Just sharing
another story of a politician with a rhyming fetish.
Overall, of course, Davis was excellent--a great speaker, a very nice man.
Regards,
Ed Fisher
Hoyt wrote in message <7bd6uh$o...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>
[snip]
>>I'm still trying to figure out why Jesse Jackson's speeches
>>always have to rhyme... ;-)
>>
>
>
>Because he believes it makes him appear intelligent and witty?
>
>73,
>Hoyt
>
>
>
Hoyt
David Garcia wrote in message ...
>
>
>On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Doug wrote:
>
>> No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
>> a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
>
J. Michael Looney
> ------------------------------------<*>---
> | "History shows again and again
> | How Nature points up the folly of men."
> ------------------------------------------
>
AHHHHH!!!!
"Godzilla" by Blue Oyster Cult
Off of their 1977 "Specters" album (and all their "best of" and "live"
albums done after that, also)
Mike "Burning for You" Looney
Kirk Is
: David Garcia wrote in message ...
: >
: >I'm still trying to figure out why Jesse Jackson's speeches
: >always have to rhyme... ;-)
: >
: Because he believes it makes him appear intelligent and witty?
I think it may be a black culture thing. Probably has similar
roots as the "if the glove does not fit, you must acquit" defense.
Not a judgement value, just an observation. (If such a thing
can exist.)
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StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.> (ad...@my.sig) wrote:
: On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:13:25 -0600 (CST), tb...@webtv.net (robert
: temple) wrote:
: >When dealing with incantations and other forms of magic, rhyme adds
: >power to the mysterious part of it ... you know, you probably can't
: >think of a curse that worked without having rhyme. It helps remove the
[snip]
: I can think of one...
: 'DAMMIT!'
Makes me wonder about the power inherit in "Fuck-A-Duck", one of my
personal favorites. When I'm really looking to invoke its power, I'll set
it to the main tune of "The William Tell Overture" (fuck a duck, fuck a
duck, fuck a duck duck duck....)
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"To K.S. -- I've been wanting to say these three special words
for a long time now, so here it goes. 'Wow! Great ass!'"
Ellen Kline
>Zetan's Book of Enlightenment reveals that on Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:55:24
>-0800, Doug wrote:
>
>>Was watching _Sleeping Beauty_ with my son. The old Disney one.
>>No rhyming for 99% of the movie. Until ... the witch starts up
>>a curse in rhyme. My son asks, "Why do curses have to rhyme?"
>
>Tell him it's because if you could do spells that didn't rhyme, then a
>magic-user would be in danger of casting unwanted spells all day long, and
>even if she talked in her sleep!
Better yet, tell him it's the way the aliens want us to do it, because
rhymes remind them of how their sun used to sound. It's bound to
spark a more thoughtful conversation.
Ellen Kline
>: ket...@seemysig.com wrote:
>: ------------------------------------<*>---
>: | "History shows again and again
>: | How Nature points up the folly of men."
>: ------------------------------------------
>
>Doug <d...@not.spam> writes
>: From the song "Iron Man", right?
>
>I dunno about "Iron Man", but I hear the next line as "Go go Godzilla"
>
>--
Could someone explain what they meant by the phrase, "...Nature points
up the folly of men."?
J. Michael Looney
> >: ket...@seemysig.com wrote:
> >: ------------------------------------<*>---
> >: | "History shows again and again
> >: | How Nature points up the folly of men."
> >: ------------------------------------------
> >
> >Doug <d...@not.spam> writes
> >: From the song "Iron Man", right?
> >
> >I dunno about "Iron Man", but I hear the next line as "Go go Godzilla"
> >
> >--
> Could someone explain what they meant by the phrase, "...Nature points
> up the folly of men."?
Note: Cross posted to BOC news groups as well as afc-a
1) go to the Blue Oyster Cult FAQ at
http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/epc/boc_faq1.htm
(of course there is a FAQ for Blue Oyster Cult, there is a FAQ for
everything...)
2) Off the top of my head:
The folly of men had to do with atomic weapons testing, and "nature" was
"Evil Incarnate, who lay waiting for thousands of years in a block of ice,
waiting to be melted down, waiting to take those first giant foot steps
<boom> <boom>, ...sounds sort like that... Holy <bleep> it's Godzilla!!!"
(more or less, of the top of my head, the live intro to the song)
obWeirdness: Microsoft word, which I use for spell checking usenet
postings, knows the word "Godzilla".
John A. Swartz
"J. Michael Looney" wrote:
>
> Note: Cross posted to BOC news groups as well as afc-a
>
> 1) go to the Blue Oyster Cult FAQ at
> http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/epc/boc_faq1.htm
>
> (of course there is a FAQ for Blue Oyster Cult, there is a FAQ for
> everything...)
Yes, and, as the editor of the FAQ, I would point out that the link
points to a slightly old version of the BOC FAQ (version 2.2). Version
3.0 is the most current, and links to the most current version can
always be found at my BOC website:
http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman
Version 3.1 is currently in the works, and should be completed in a few
months (I hope).
John
--
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"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads
to Hate.
Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace)
Paul Farrimond
<7c3eqb$hso$1...@usenet49.supernews.com>...
> obWeirdness: Microsoft word, which I use for spell checking usenet
> postings, knows the word "Godzilla".
I bet it struggles with "diz-busters" !
--
Paul Farrimond
Newcastle upon Tyne, U.K.
J. Michael Looney
> > obWeirdness: Microsoft word, which I use for spell checking usenet
> > postings, knows the word "Godzilla".
>
> I bet it struggles with "diz-busters" !
It gags on Diz. My options are Dizzy, Ditz, Die, Did or Dig.
cats...@my-dejanews.com
"J. Michael Looney" <j...@spellbooksoftware.com> wrote:
>
> > > obWeirdness: Microsoft word, which I use for spell checking usenet
> > > postings, knows the word "Godzilla".
> >
> > I bet it struggles with "diz-busters" !
>
> It gags on Diz.
>
Maybe that wasn't the best way to put that...and I'll pull my mind from the
gutter and stop there!
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J. Michael Looney
> > > I bet it struggles with "diz-busters" !
> >
> > It gags on Diz.
> >
>
> Maybe that wasn't the best way to put that...and I'll pull my mind from
> the gutter and stop there!
Ah, yeah, that would be a good idea.
I wasn't thinking when I wrote that line.
What I should have said was "It thinks diz in not spell correctly"