OK, anyone else sick of Ed Smart?
The Ulterior Decorator
Mark Hanson
news:20030314084812...@mb-dd.aol.com...
> Smarmy self-righteous little publicity addict
Not quite yet, though the expiration date is visible in the distance. (As
always, it would be easier to take without the numbing thanks to God.) If I
got my dead daughter back alive, I'd be doing some well-deserved yapping as
well.
Mark
Boron Elgar
If I had the sad misfortune of having a child kidnapped, I would be in
the public eye as much as possible in hopes of the child being spotted
somewhere. It was a photo on TV that got the two sets of witnesses to
call 911. Keeping it in the media is the best thing to do & who better
to do it than a parent who creates the most sympathy. After this dies
down, no one will see him again until the TV movie comes out.
I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
winner does, either.
Boron
Dana Carpender
Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>
> I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
> winner does, either.
Or the average politician. When did invoking deity become a required
thing for every politician? I find it smarmy.
Dana
mike
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when the movie comes out, think ed begley jr will play him?
maybe william macy?
The Ulterior Decorator
>Date: 3/14/2003 11:23 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <hmnca.94929$6b3.3...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>
See, if I'd just got my daughter back, I'd be spending every available moment
with her, not arranging my sleep schedule so I could appear on the morning news
on all the major networks. And then the afternoon news. And then the evening
news. And then the next morning's news.
The Ulterior Decorator
>Date: 3/14/2003 11:35 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <ov047vojorjthjen9...@4ax.com>
>
>On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:23:42 GMT, "Mark Hanson"
><mark.h...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>>"The Ulterior Decorator" <edwardj...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:20030314084812...@mb-dd.aol.com...
>>> Smarmy self-righteous little publicity addict
>>
>>Not quite yet, though the expiration date is visible in the distance. (As
>>always, it would be easier to take without the numbing thanks to God.) If I
>>got my dead daughter back alive, I'd be doing some well-deserved yapping as
>>well.
>>
>
>If I had the sad misfortune of having a child kidnapped, I would be in
>the public eye as much as possible in hopes of the child being spotted
>somewhere. It was a photo on TV that got the two sets of witnesses to
>call 911. Keeping it in the media is the best thing to do & who better
>to do it than a parent who creates the most sympathy.
No, I meant [and Mark Hanson apparently was referring to] the yapping *since*
she was found. I don't know anyone who would begrudge the parent some face time
while their child is still missing.
Emanuel Brown
Decorator) wrote:
>See, if I'd just got my daughter back, I'd be spending every available moment
>with her, not arranging my sleep schedule so I could appear on the morning news
>on all the major networks. And then the afternoon news. And then the evening
>news. And then the next morning's news.
The love they share will last a lifetime - but he's only got 15
minutes of fame, baby.
Emanuel
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> See, if I'd just got my daughter back, I'd be spending every available moment
> with her, not arranging my sleep schedule so I could appear on the morning news
> on all the major networks. And then the afternoon news. And then the evening
> news. And then the next morning's news.
And posing for pictures. Lots of pictures. And telling people how happy
we are she's home, vs. actually enjoying her.
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Boron Elgar
Decorator) wrote:
Then again, he may feel he owes them, as they afforded him air time to
publicize her disappearance.
Boron
Mark Hanson
> >Not quite yet, though the expiration date is visible in the distance. (As
> >always, it would be easier to take without the numbing thanks to God.) If
I
> >got my dead daughter back alive, I'd be doing some well-deserved yapping
as
> >well.
>
> See, if I'd just got my daughter back, I'd be spending every available
moment
> with her, not arranging my sleep schedule so I could appear on the morning
news
> on all the major networks. And then the afternoon news. And then the
evening
> news. And then the next morning's news.
Maybe. I don't know what I'd do. I was *so* sure she was dead than she'd
fallen off the radar, and I had to remind myself who the news stories were
talking about when she finally turned up. I'd probably simply hold her and
sob all over her in gratitude for a few hours. But I wouldn't exclude the
public yapping; I'd be so happy I'd likely talk to anybody who'd listen,
whether they were just walking past on the street or sticking a microphone
in my face.
Mark
Boron Elgar
>On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:35:46 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:23:42 GMT, "Mark Hanson"
>>
>>I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
>>winner does, either.
>>
>>Boron
>
>Do you think that the case would have gotten as much publicity as it
>did if the Smarts weren't affluent white people? I certainly don't.
Mention has been made by some media that this is true. I have not seen
any stats on it at all, though. It was just speculation. Dunno. I
think the initial news of such things may be equal, but keeping it in
the news takes a lot of effort & free time. Those with money have more
free time. If the person(s) pushing it all has posters & billboards &
neighbors with ribbon festooned trees & websites & organizations in on
the deal & is articulate & willing to speak in public, it is going to
be all over the place. .
Keep in mind that one of Aristotle's rules of Greek Tragedy is that
the central figure needs to be a good guy. Had Missy Smart been a
brown-haired, buck-toothed, ugly-as-sin little thing, held back two
grades for smoking crack in the hallway, it may have made a diff,
too. This kid looked liked The Virgin Mary in the church Christmas
pageant. The kid played the frikkin' harp, fercryinoutloud. Pretty
sells. This was (on the surface) the ideal American Dream Family
turned into a nightmare....and this kid was not snatched at the mall,
but from within the bosom of the family home.
>And concerning his multiple appearances on television AFTER his
>daughter was found, well, it seems strange to me that he'd be on The
>Today show the morning after the day she was found. Then, that night,
>he was on that John Walsh show. And I'll bet my ass that he was on
>more shows than that as well. On the John Walsh show, he used his time
>on camera to name some politician or other who didn't happen to
>support some child protection bill, law, measure or some such that
>John Walsh has proposed.
Amber Alert laws......named after Amber Hagerman, child abducted &
murdered in Tx some years ago. Walsh is really bid into this stuff, so
an appearance or two on his show would have been de rigueur.
http://www.amberalertnow.org/aboutamber.html
>He said something to the effect of that this
>politician would have the blood of children that were missing and
>turned up dead on his hands. He essentially turned half his tv time on
>that show into a political diatribe.
That's typical John Walsh show...Smart was supporting a cause Walsh
endorses himself.
>I can't help but believe that
>he's already shopping around for the highest bidder on a book deal and
>a movie.
And this is wrong in what way? The man has done no wrong so far as we
know now. What is wrong making money on this, especially now that
there is a happy ending? Murder makes money. Violence makes money. If
someone is out there offering him cold hard cash for rights to the
story, why shouldn't he take it?
>Something seems fishy about that guy. I think he's just as
>happy to be cashing in as he is about having his daughter back. Maybe
>even more so. I didn't see him on the Today show, but I saw him on the
>John Walsh thing. My wife saw them both, however, and she pointed out
>that his "performance" was almost identical on both shows. He began
>crying at the same time, on the same lines he was "delivering." The
>guy is milking this for all it's worth.
And if he is, and it turns out that he is on the up & up about the
kid, but a shameless huckster about the end result only, who gives a
flapjack?
> Read everything about this story, from the circumstances surrounding
>the time they found her to her actions once she arrived home.
>Something stinks here. I'm not quite sure if she's any happier being
>at home than she was being with her abductors. But of course, I'm only
>speculating. There may be more to this story than meets the eye. I'm
>not being a conspiracy theorist here, I'm just saying that the guy
>comes across as a phony.
>
The guy may be all sorts of things, but so far, I see no evidence of
wrongdoing on his part. In 9 months no one has come forward with
evidence of poor parenting or shady anything, so big whoop. Scene
stealers have a right to earn money, too, as long as they to not
directly scam anyone in the course of it all.
boron
Lots42 bomb vice president
>AFTER his
>daughter was found, well, it seems strange to me that he'd be on The
>Today show the morning after the day she was found.
That's creepy. Any parent I know would be spending as much time as he could by
the child's bed. Hell, my mom would only leave for bathroom breaks and even
then, use the closest one possible.
>He said something to the effect of that this
>politician would have the blood of children that were missing and
>turned up dead on his hands.
Okay, now we're very into insanity here.
>I can't help but believe that
>he's already shopping around for the highest bidder on a book deal and
>a movie.
Someone really needs to look into the relationship between the kidnapper and
the parents. I wouldn't be suprised if the Smart's got a big deposit into their
bank account after the kid vanished.
Tedthecat85
In Oklahoma, not only do the politicians invoke the Diety, but the Diety tells
the Republicans to run for office. So far, the Diety seems to be pretty
partisan because I don't recall any Democrats confessing that God has
instructed them to run for office.
Ted the Cat, reporting from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Oral Robert once saw a 900
foot tall Jesus.
Mike Looney
> In Oklahoma, not only do the politicians invoke the Diety, but the Diety tells
> the Republicans to run for office. So far, the Diety seems to be pretty
> partisan because I don't recall any Democrats confessing that God has
> instructed them to run for office.
Off the top of my my head
~1976 - David Boren, for Gov'ner.
Most of weird folk coming out of little Dixie are Yellow Dog Democrats, and
a LOT of them claim the God has told them to save the Party From The Liberals
(you can hear the caps when they talk...)
Granted most of them don't make it past the primary stage, or only win
county wide seats, not state wide.
Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 14 Mar 2003 23:04:30 GMT that ...
Okla. House pushes for 'one God as the creator' in science texts
By Jerry Pierce
OKLAHOMA CITY (BP)--The Oklahoma House of Representatives unanimously
passed a bill April 4 that includes an amendment requiring
state-approved science textbooks to acknowledge "one God as the
creator of human life in the universe."
But a conference committee will likely strip the language from the
bill, state Rep. Jim Reese, author of the amendment, told Baptist
Press. Senate Bill 1139 would add requirements for a state textbook
committee that drew controversy last November after approving an
evolution disclaimer for science textbooks.
Oklahoma's attorney general in January ruled the committee exceeded it
bounds in approving the disclaimer.
Two bills introduced by Reese to establish the textbook committee's
right to approve such disclaimers have died in committee.
His April 4 amendment was an attempt to represent the views of most
Oklahomans, whom he said polls have shown to believe in a
Judeo-Christian creator.
Also added to Senate Bill 1139 was an amendment, introduced by Rep.
John Wright, giving the textbook committee authority to insert a
"one-page summary, opinion or disclaimer" in any state-approved
textbook.
Rep. Barbara Staggs, a Democrat and House sponsor of the bill, told an
Oklahoma City newspaper she will remove Wright's amendment in
conference committee.
Staggs could not be reached Wednesday for comment.
"I think this bill was intended to kick off some of the current
members of the textbook committee," said Reese, a Republican.
The bill, before amended, would have disallowed second terms for
committee members, who serve three years. It also would require the
committee to include at least two certified elementary school teachers
and two certified secondary school teachers.
Rep. Abe Deutschendorf, a coauthor of the bill, said the purpose of
the bill was to provide balanced representation from both elementary
and secondary school officials. He said he agreed with the textbook
committee's disclaimer and has no problem with creationism being
taught in public schools.
Deutschendorf, a Democrat and member of Trinity Baptist Church,
Lawton, said he voted for Reese's "one God as creator" amendment "but
it won't pass constitutional muster."
Reese, however, said if his amendment is rejected on constitutional
grounds, "they are going to have to take a wrecking ball to the U.S.
Supreme Court, the Lincoln Memorial" and other sites because God's
name is mentioned numerous times on federal landmarks.
If removed, the bill's amendments can be reattached only by a House
majority voting to send the bill back to conference committee with
instructions to retain the language.
"Hopefully, members will support me to reject the conference
committee's report," Reese said.
In November, the state textbook's committee's disclaimer drew support
from Oklahoma Baptists and criticism from a church-state separation
group and some Oklahoma education leaders.
The disclaimer called evolution a "controversial theory" and disputed
its presentation as "fact."
Last year, Kentucky removed the word "evolution" in favor of "change
over time" in its classrooms, and Kansas officials have excluded
evolution questions from state tests.
Bill
"Yow! Life is a blur of Republicans and meat!"
- Bill Griffith, as quoted by incandescent blue
kay w
> Then, that night,
>he was on that John Walsh show.
You mean, the John Walsh show that, just a few days before, was the vehicle by
which the pictures of the kidnapper *finally* got the publicity that let the
folks who called see the guy? The show that was the only thing still
publicizing her disappearance? No, I can't imagine why he'd feel grateful to
them and appear at all, since without that show the girl would not have been
found...what a publicity hound.
And I'll bet my ass that he was on
>more shows than that as well. On the John Walsh show, he used his time
>on camera to name some politician or other who didn't happen to
>support some child protection bill, law, measure or some such that
>John Walsh has proposed.
Yeah, that boring code Amber law that would help solve childhood kidnappings by
using existing emergency broadcast systems to publicize nationwide the
description of kidnapped children, including those taken out of state as his
was. Yeah, I can't imagine why he'd waste his time trying to spare others the
hell he's been through, the selfish bastard.
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Tedthecat85
>>Tedthecat85 wrote:
>
>
>> In Oklahoma, not only do the politicians invoke the Diety, but the Diety
>tells
>> the Republicans to run for office. So far, the Diety seems to be pretty
>> partisan because I don't recall any Democrats confessing that God has
>> instructed them to run for office.
>
>Off the top of my my head
>
>~1976 - David Boren, for Gov'ner.
Really? I don't remember that, and I could not find it by Googling.
However, were the Almighty to tell just one Democrat to run for office, that
Democrat would probably have been David Boren. He was routinely called a
conservative Democrat (and in my googling I found descriptions of him as a
right winger) and he was often referred to as a Republican who ran as a
Democrat. Perhaps God did tell David Boren to run for office.
David Boren's most notorious political action, of course, was the famous
homosexualtiy press conference. While running for the United States Senate in
1978 Mr Boren was accused by a minor candidate of being a homosexual. Boren
then called a press conference and swore an oath on a pristine white Bible, "I
know what a homosexual is. I know the kind of things that homosexuals do. I
am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual."
http://davidboren.org/
Not to be outdone, Boren's opponent in the Democratic primary, a moderate to
liberal Democrat named Ed Edmondson, called his own press conference. Putting
his left hand on a copy of "Plain Speaking" (a biography of Harry Truman)
Edmondson raised his right hand and swore, "I know what a Republican is. I
know the kind of things that Republicans do. I am not now nor have I ever been
a Republican."
Interestingly, the book that Edmondson swore his oath upon was written by a
homosexual.
I had thought that the homosexual rumor about Boren was put to bed, so to
speak, by the 1978 press conference. However, in my googling, I found a number
of hits claiming that Boren has a history of sexual harassment against young
male staffers and the like, both in Oklahoma and in Washington, and supposedly
was "outed" in D.C. which led to his surprise mid-term resignation from the
Senate in 1994 to become the President of the University of Oklahoma.
http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/tuition.html
An out of the closet homosexual in Oklahoma would have as much chance of
winning public office as an out of the closet Marxist-Lenonist.
>Most of weird folk coming out of little Dixie are Yellow Dog Democrats, and
>a LOT of them claim the God has told them to save the Party From The Liberals
>(you can hear the caps when they talk...)
>
>Granted most of them don't make it past the primary stage, or only win
>county wide seats, not state wide.
The South East corner of Oklahoma ("Little Dixie") was part of the old style
Southern racist wing of the Democratic party before the Civil Rights movement.
They used to be Strom Thurmon-style Democrats. Now they are Strom
Thurmon-style Republicans.
In a spirit of bipartinship, and for the purposes of this thread, I am
prepared to stipulate that the Devil told Gene Stipe to run for political
office.
-----
According to the Associated Press, in October 2002, at a political rally,
Senator James Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, exhorted the crowd to vote
Liberals out of office, "You will be doing the Lord's work, and he will richly
bless you for it."
http://alfalfa.blogspot.com/2002_10_01_alfalfa_archive.html
Carl Fink
wrote:
>>Do you think that the case would have gotten as much publicity as it
>>did if the Smarts weren't affluent white people? I certainly don't.
>
> Mention has been made by some media that this is true. I have not seen
> any stats on it at all, though.
For a long list of the missing you've never heard of (and a few you
have) see
<URL:http://crime.about.com/library/blfiles/blmissingchildren.htm?PM=ss13_crime>.
--
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Tedthecat85
>
>>Tedthecat wrote
>>
>>>Dana Carpender wrote:
>>>
>>>>Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
>>>> winner does, either.
>>>
>>>
>>>Or the average politician. When did invoking deity become a required
>>>thing for every politician? I find it smarmy.
>>
>>
>>In Oklahoma, not only do the politicians invoke the Diety, but the Diety
>tells
>>the Republicans to run for office. So far, the Diety seems to be pretty
>>partisan because I don't recall any Democrats confessing that God has
>>instructed them to run for office.
>>
>>
>>Ted the Cat, reporting from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Oral Robert once saw a
>900
>>foot tall Jesus.
>Offered without comment:
>
>Okla. House pushes for 'one God as the creator' in science texts
Bil, Bill, Bill. Don't make me bring out the Oklahoma Republican Party
Platform again. Or the Texas Republican Party Platform. We haven't done that
one yet.
>By Jerry Pierce
>
>OKLAHOMA CITY (BP)--The Oklahoma House of Representatives unanimously
>passed a bill April 4 that includes an amendment requiring
>state-approved science textbooks to acknowledge "one God as the
>creator of human life in the universe."
This bit of hilarity is a consequence of the ongoing Republican strategy to
bash the Democrats with "the three Gs" God, guns and gays. The Republicans
represent God and guns, and the Democrats, well . . .
If the state were not awash with Christian Conservatives we would not have side
shows like this vote for or against God.
>But a conference committee will likely strip the language from the
>bill, state Rep. Jim Reese, author of the amendment, told Baptist
>Press. Senate Bill 1139 would add requirements for a state textbook
>committee that drew controversy last November after approving an
>evolution disclaimer for science textbooks.
>
>Oklahoma's attorney general in January ruled the committee exceeded it
>bounds in approving the disclaimer.
>
>Two bills introduced by Reese to establish the textbook committee's
>right to approve such disclaimers have died in committee.
>
>His April 4 amendment was an attempt to represent the views of most
>Oklahomans, whom he said polls have shown to believe in a
>Judeo-Christian creator.
Hey, it wasn't that long ago that Oral Roberts sighted a 900 foot tall Jesus
picking up an entire hospital building in Tulsa. What with a 900 foot Jesus
running around and all, maybe I'd vote in favor of God, too.
A friend once told me that he saw a 90 foot tall Jesus. "Granted, its not
nearly as tall as a 900 foot Jesus. But you gotta admit, it's still a pretty
tall Jesus."
Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage
>>billdiamond (unpatriotically using a French screen name) wrote:
>>
>>>Tedthecat wrote
>>>
>>>>Dana Carpender wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
>>>>> winner does, either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Or the average politician. When did invoking deity become a required
>>>>thing for every politician? I find it smarmy.
>>>
>>>
>>>In Oklahoma, not only do the politicians invoke the Diety, but the Diety
>>tells
>>>the Republicans to run for office. So far, the Diety seems to be pretty
>>>partisan because I don't recall any Democrats confessing that God has
>>>instructed them to run for office.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ted the Cat, reporting from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Oral Robert once saw a
>>900
>>>foot tall Jesus.
>>Offered without comment:
>>
>>Okla. House pushes for 'one God as the creator' in science texts
>
>
>
>
>Bil, Bill, Bill. Don't make me bring out the Oklahoma Republican Party
>Platform again. Or the Texas Republican Party Platform. We haven't done that
>one yet.
>
Ted, yes we have. Check your old posts. As I recall, we decided that
both of the major political parties in Oklahoma have been equally
smitten with the oneupmanship game of Who Does Jesus Love Most? (tm).
Blame Oklahoma; not the parties for this latest spate of intellectual
devolution.
Lots42 bomb vice president
>Yeah, that boring code Amber law that would help solve childhood kidnappings
>by
>using existing emergency broadcast systems to publicize nationwide the
>description of kidnapped children,
How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car crashes has
it caused as people were distracted by all the info flashing on the highway
signs?
kay w
>How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car crashes
has
>it caused as people were distracted by all the info flashing on the highway
>signs?
It's been credited with recovering 49 children, thus far. (I believe it's been
enacted in 38-39 states.) No car crashes due to the highway signs which are,
of course, only one of the methods of getting the descriptions to the public.
Gary S. Callison
> A friend once told me that he saw a 90 foot tall Jesus. "Granted, its
> not nearly as tall as a 900 foot Jesus. But you gotta admit, it's still
> a pretty tall Jesus."
This is too long for a motto, but if I was the sort of person who kept a
.sigfile, this'd go in it.
--
Huey
Tedthecat85
>
>Tedthecat wrote
>>>billdiamond (unpatriotically using a French screen name) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tedthecat wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Dana Carpender wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
>>>>>> winner does, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Or the average politician. When did invoking deity become a required
>>>>>thing for every politician? I find it smarmy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In Oklahoma, not only do the politicians invoke the Diety, but the Diety
>>>tells
>>>>the Republicans to run for office. So far, the Diety seems to be pretty
>>>>partisan because I don't recall any Democrats confessing that God has
>>>>instructed them to run for office.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ted the Cat, reporting from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Oral Robert once saw a
>>>900
>>>>foot tall Jesus.
>>>Offered without comment:
>>>
>>>Okla. House pushes for 'one God as the creator' in science texts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bil, Bill, Bill. Don't make me bring out the Oklahoma Republican Party
>>Platform again. Or the Texas Republican Party Platform. We haven't done
>that
>>one yet.
>>
>
>
>Ted, yes we have.
No, I mean we haven't done the *Texas* Republican Party Platform yet. Last time
we did Oklahoma Republican Platform. The Texas Republican Platform, believe
it or not, is less than foursquare in favor of homosexuality.
It continues to puzzle me how a sophisticated and intelligent man like you can
remain a member of a political party that officially despises you.
You're better than that.
Check your old posts. As I recall, we decided that
>both of the major political parties in Oklahoma have been equally
>smitten with the oneupmanship game of Who Does Jesus Love Most? (tm).
I think those kidney stones are taking a toll on your memory, you poor
tormented soul. You thought that homophobia was bipartisan but everyone
else recognized that the Republicans are bashing Democrats for being tolerant
of Gays. Take another Vicodin and turn up the stereo.
>
>Blame Oklahoma; not the parties for this latest spate of intellectual
>devolution.
I do blame Oklahoma; but many of the things that I blame Oklahoma for
are policies of the Oklahoma Republican Party.
kay w
Tedthecat85 wrote:
>> A friend once told me that he saw a 90 foot tall Jesus. "Granted, its
>> not nearly as tall as a 900 foot Jesus. But you gotta admit, it's still
>> a pretty tall Jesus."
Huey:
>This is too long for a motto, but if I was the sort of person who kept a
>.sigfile, this'd go in it.
Someone, I think, posted this a couple years ago...in a thread that had to do
with the miracle of transubstantiation, could it have been Dana? Something
about how much all the body of Christ would weigh after all this time...the
details are fuzzy.
Mr C
> >From: can...@thelast.mile
>
> >AFTER his
> >daughter was found, well, it seems strange to me that he'd be on The
> >Today show the morning after the day she was found.
>
the fuckin' clock, harrassing the paperboy, shoving mikes in the face
of their many friends who hoped to drop by and share in the happy
ending, etc, so he cut a deal, proabably in the hope they'd leave him
and his family alone. They've been cutting a lot of deals during the
last nine months, I suspect.
> That's creepy. Any parent I know would be spending as much time as he could by
> the child's bed.
Creepy? Huh. Well, how many parents do you know who've had their
child kidnapped, missing for nine months, then returned after being
presumed dead by all the world? Your tenor here is preposterous, and
I hope your suspicious, foul-thinking minds are never changed by
experience.
Hell, my mom would only leave for bathroom breaks and even
> then, use the closest one possible.
>
Well, that's one possible reaction. Apparently, you cannot conceive
of others. Wow, what a small, tidy world you live in.
> >He said something to the effect of that this
> >politician would have the blood of children that were missing and
> >turned up dead on his hands.
>
> Okay, now we're very into insanity here.
>
No, you're very into insanity. This guy is into hyperbole. His
point being that political bullshit is preventing establishment of a
procedure that could very well save lives without costing anyone
anything, using a pre-existing system. Your defense for quashing it?
> >I can't help but believe that
> >he's already shopping around for the highest bidder on a book deal and
> >a movie.
>
Probably. That's money-grubbing, not insane or evil.
> Someone really needs to look into the relationship between the kidnapper and
> the parents. I wouldn't be suprised if the Smart's got a big deposit into their
> bank account after the kid vanished.
Pssst! Yeah, you, the weird-looking em-eff with the beard and the
whole religious guru/Arabic thing. How about you kidnap my daughter,
then parade her around several states for a while in a sheet, risk a
short-ass lifetime in prison being bufu'ed by everyone with a dick AND
give me a big deposit in my bank account, too. What? Yeah I realize
its all upside for me and pretty much downside for you (since I'll
obviously arrange it so she'll get found--duh!), but Lots42 thinks its
all good.
Mr C
Bob Ward
president) wrote:
Well, there was the case of the two girls kidnapped near LittleRock,
CA who were rescued from their kidnapper because someone recognized
the car from the Amber Alert.
No crashes were reported, so far as I know.
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> Ted, yes we have. Check your old posts. As I recall, we decided that
> both of the major political parties in Oklahoma have been equally
> smitten with the oneupmanship game of Who Does Jesus Love Most? (tm).
I have a distinctive urge to try and work in a WWJD (Whom Would Jesus
Do?) gag, here, but I can't quite make it fit.
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>>From: scu...@aol.comatose (kay w)
My personal guesses would be, respectively, "none or not many" and
"none".
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>In article <glf47vse2qsens4d6...@4ax.com>, Boron Elgar
>wrote:
>
>>>Do you think that the case would have gotten as much publicity as it
>>>did if the Smarts weren't affluent white people? I certainly don't.
>>
>> Mention has been made by some media that this is true. I have not seen
>> any stats on it at all, though.
>
>For a long list of the missing you've never heard of (and a few you
>have) see
><URL:http://crime.about.com/library/blfiles/blmissingchildren.htm?PM=ss13_crime>.
Kids go missing, get run over by drunks, drink Clorox, get born
attached to another kid or with a few too many or too few
organs....every once in awhile, one of these makes it to national
prominence & some cascade of events keeps it there. Same for adults.
All the story need is a "man bites dog" hook of almost any sort & away
it goes. There is no way that every single child tragedy will occupy
the news, even though I realize there is a 24/7 puppy channel out
there.
Boron
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>Lots42 bomb vice president wrote:
>
>>>From: scu...@aol.comatose (kay w)
>
>>>Yeah, that boring code Amber law that would help solve childhood kidnappings
>>>by
>>>using existing emergency broadcast systems to publicize nationwide the
>>>description of kidnapped children,
>
>> How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car crashes has
>> it caused as people were distracted by all the info flashing on the highway
>> signs?
>
>My personal guesses would be, respectively, "none or not many" and
>"none".
Hey...that was coin toss odds you just played.
Boron
Boron Elgar
<mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"The Ulterior Decorator" <edwardj...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030314084812...@mb-dd.aol.com...
>> Smarmy self-righteous little publicity addict
>
>when the movie comes out, think ed begley jr will play him?
>
>maybe william macy?
>
Joe Isuzu.
Boron
Asterbark
>
>On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:35:46 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:23:42 GMT, "Mark Hanson"
>><mark.h...@attbi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"The Ulterior Decorator" <edwardj...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:20030314084812...@mb-dd.aol.com...
>>>> Smarmy self-righteous little publicity addict
>>>
>>>Not quite yet, though the expiration date is visible in the distance. (As
>>>always, it would be easier to take without the numbing thanks to God.) If I
>>>got my dead daughter back alive, I'd be doing some well-deserved yapping as
>>>well.
>>>
>>
>>If I had the sad misfortune of having a child kidnapped, I would be in
>>the public eye as much as possible in hopes of the child being spotted
>>somewhere. It was a photo on TV that got the two sets of witnesses to
>>call 911. Keeping it in the media is the best thing to do & who better
>>to do it than a parent who creates the most sympathy. After this dies
>>down, no one will see him again until the TV movie comes out.
>>
>>I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
>>winner does, either.
>>
>Do you think that the case would have gotten as much publicity as it
>did if the Smarts weren't affluent white people? I certainly don't.
>And concerning his multiple appearances on television AFTER his
>daughter was found, well, it seems strange to me that he'd be on The
>Today show the morning after the day she was found. Then, that night,
>he was on that John Walsh show. And I'll bet my ass that he was on
>more shows than that as well. On the John Walsh show, he used his time
>on camera to name some politician or other who didn't happen to
>support some child protection bill, law, measure or some such that
>John Walsh has proposed. He said something to the effect of that this
>politician would have the blood of children that were missing and
>turned up dead on his hands. He essentially turned half his tv time on
>that show into a political diatribe. I can't help but believe that
>he's already shopping around for the highest bidder on a book deal and
>a movie. Something seems fishy about that guy. I think he's just as
>happy to be cashing in as he is about having his daughter back. Maybe
>even more so. I didn't see him on the Today show, but I saw him on the
>John Walsh thing. My wife saw them both, however, and she pointed out
>that his "performance" was almost identical on both shows. He began
>crying at the same time, on the same lines he was "delivering." The
>guy is milking this for all it's worth.
> Read everything about this story, from the circumstances surrounding
>the time they found her to her actions once she arrived home.
>Something stinks here. I'm not quite sure if she's any happier being
>at home than she was being with her abductors. But of course, I'm only
>speculating. There may be more to this story than meets the eye. I'm
>not being a conspiracy theorist here, I'm just saying that the guy
>comes across as a phony.
You're so jaded. A real-life drama has occurred that many people find
fascinating and happy that it did not end tragic, and you want to fault a
family for experiencing it? Many people recommend many trashy fiction novels
where nothing real happens but it's always dramatic and enticing, but so
something happens to a real person, and it's "over" and you don't want to hear
about it anymore? Turn off your fucking television, then. I don't have cable,
and I haven't been over-exposed to the sorts of programs you're finding when
you turn the channels, so maybe the answer really is, turn off your fucking
television if the story bothers you. I don't care much for the state of
journalism in the age of cable, but I know which button makes them go away. You
seem to be saying the only people worthy of making money from stories is people
who have the imagination to invent characters and plots, so real people in real
circumstances are whores for having an interesting life story to tell that
people want to know about and news-magazines are in the business of brokering.
--
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Lots42 bomb vice president
> even though I realize there is a 24/7 puppy channel out
>there.
I'd watch that.
Lots42 bomb vice president
>Hell, my mom would only leave for bathroom breaks and even
>> then, use the closest one possible.
>>
>Well, that's one possible reaction. Apparently, you cannot conceive
>of others.
Naw. I can conceive of other reactions. I just don't think any other reaction
is sensible.
>Wow, what a small, tidy world you live in.
Yeah, silly me thinking re-united parents would want to stick close to child
they just found.
>> >He said something to the effect of that this
>> >politician would have the blood of children that were missing and
>> >turned up dead on his hands.
>>
>> Okay, now we're very into insanity here.
>>
>No, you're very into insanity. This guy is into hyperbole. His
>point being that political bullshit is preventing establishment of a
>procedure that could very well save lives without costing anyone
>anything, using a pre-existing system. Your defense for quashing it?
Your strawman is impressive but easily blown over. It doesn't matter what this
politician does or does not advocate. Said politician is not murdering kids so
he does not 'have the blood of children' on his hands.
And I'm intrigued. What oh-so-grand system will prevent child deaths without
costing anyone anything? If it's so good, why does it need a politican to push
it through? If it's so good, how could anyone stop it?
>Yeah, you, the weird-looking em-eff with the beard and the
>whole religious guru/Arabic thing. How about you kidnap my daughter,
>then parade her around several states for a while in a sheet, risk a
>short-ass lifetime in prison being bufu'ed by everyone with a dick AND
>give me a big deposit in my bank account, too. What?
Just because someone is a parent does not mean they are sane.
Amy Austin
"Lots42 bomb vice president" <lot...@aol.comaol.com> wrote in message
news:20030314224738...@mb-dd.aol.com...
Because, you know, no one in the United States has ever seen a freaking
billboard.
L & k,
Amy
Rick B.
news:20030315095325...@mb-dd.aol.com:
APAP--Animal Planet All Puppies! Probably not coming soon to a
digital cable tier near you, but give it time.
Rick B., who still thinks The Fire Channel is a viable concept.
C'mon, admit it, you stop and watch.
Dana Carpender
kay w wrote:
> Previously,
>
> Tedthecat85 wrote:
>
>>>A friend once told me that he saw a 90 foot tall Jesus. "Granted, its
>>>not nearly as tall as a 900 foot Jesus. But you gotta admit, it's still
>>>a pretty tall Jesus."
>>
>
> Huey:
>
>>This is too long for a motto, but if I was the sort of person who kept a
>>.sigfile, this'd go in it.
>
>
> Someone, I think, posted this a couple years ago...in a thread that had to do
> with the miracle of transubstantiation, could it have been Dana? Something
> about how much all the body of Christ would weigh after all this time...the
> details are fuzzy.
Certainly I have more than once voiced the observation that if
transubstantiation is a literal truth, Jesus must have been one
*immense* dude. I may well have said so here.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage wrote:
>
>
>>Ted, yes we have. Check your old posts. As I recall, we decided that
>>both of the major political parties in Oklahoma have been equally
>>smitten with the oneupmanship game of Who Does Jesus Love Most? (tm).
>
>
> I have a distinctive urge to try and work in a WWJD (Whom Would Jesus
> Do?) gag, here, but I can't quite make it fit.
>
But what would Jesus do for a Klondike Bar?
Dana
Dana Carpender
Rick B. wrote:.
>
> Rick B., who still thinks The Fire Channel is a viable concept.
> C'mon, admit it, you stop and watch.
Are we talking houses burning down? Or fires in fireplaces? Or what?
I have a tape of a fire in a fireplace, labeled 'Yule Log' -- plays low
key renditions of Christmas carols, too. For years I lived in a Chicago
apartment that had, as so many Chicago apartments do, a decorative
fireplace. I placed my TV in my fireplace. Then, when I had parties,
I'd pop in the Yule log tape with the sound turned off. Never failed to
make a hit.
Dana
Stan
>
>APAP--Animal Planet All Puppies! Probably not coming soon to a
>digital cable tier near you, but give it time.
>
>Rick B., who still thinks The Fire Channel is a viable concept.
>C'mon, admit it, you stop and watch.
What about the car wreck channel? You just HAVE to watch, you can't
turn away.
--
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Lalbert1
S. Callison) writes:
It sounds like something we might see in a Zippy strip.
Les
Lots42 bomb vice president
>Rick B. wrote:.
>>
>> Rick B., who still thinks The Fire Channel is a viable concept.
>> C'mon, admit it, you stop and watch.
>
>
>Are we talking houses burning down? Or fires in fireplaces? Or what?
If it was fires that did not kill or physically or mentally harm people, I'd
watch.
Gary S. Callison
>>> Smarmy self-righteous little publicity addict
>> when the movie comes out, think ed begley jr will play him?
(german dude) "I _hate_ Joe Isuzu."
--
Huey
Mr C
> >From: cams...@att.net (Mr C)
>
> >Hell, my mom would only leave for bathroom breaks and even
> >> then, use the closest one possible.
> >>
> >Well, that's one possible reaction. Apparently, you cannot conceive
> >of others.
>
> Naw. I can conceive of other reactions. I just don't think any other reaction
> is sensible.
>
Wow, what a small, tidy world you live in.
> >Wow, what a small, tidy world you live in.
>
> Yeah, silly me thinking re-united parents would want to stick close to child
> they just found.
>
Does he quit his job now? After all, he would have to step away from
the bedroom door to go to work.
> >> >He said something to the effect of that this
> >> >politician would have the blood of children that were missing and
> >> >turned up dead on his hands.
> >>
> >> Okay, now we're very into insanity here.
> >>
> >No, you're very into insanity. This guy is into hyperbole. His
> >point being that political bullshit is preventing establishment of a
> >procedure that could very well save lives without costing anyone
> >anything, using a pre-existing system. Your defense for quashing it?
>
> Your strawman is impressive but easily blown over. It doesn't matter what this
> politician does or does not advocate.
Really? Guess it doesn't matter if you vote, either.
Said politician is not murdering kids so
> he does not 'have the blood of children' on his hands.
>
Hyperbole. Read for comprehension. The blood is figurative,
fercryinoutloud. Still didn't give your rationale for opposing it.
> And I'm intrigued. What oh-so-grand system will prevent child deaths without
> costing anyone anything?
Code Amber, I believe he was referring to. It doesn't cost anything
to set up, because the system it would use is pre-existing. That's
why I pointed out it wouldn't cost anything because it uses a
pre-existing system. Am I typing too fast for you?
If it's so good, why does it need a politican to push
> it through?
Well, in our representative system of government, there are three
separate branches, executive, judiciary and legislative. The
executive executes laws which have been passed by the legislative
branch. Before Code Amber can be executed, it must become a law.
Legislators have to vote to pass the law. The law has to be "pushed
through" the system. A politician has to push it through, because
they don't let CPAs write laws. See, legislators have to do it.
That's just the way the system was designed.
> If it's so good, how could anyone stop it?
That's rather what Ed Smart is asking. For the record, I don't think
Code Amber will stop all kidnappings. But it can't hurt.
> >Yeah, you, the weird-looking em-eff with the beard and the
> >whole religious guru/Arabic thing. How about you kidnap my daughter,
> >then parade her around several states for a while in a sheet, risk a
> >short-ass lifetime in prison being bufu'ed by everyone with a dick AND
> >give me a big deposit in my bank account, too. What?
>
> Just because someone is a parent does not mean they are sane.
You got that right. Same goes for newsgroup posters.
Mr C
Bob Ward
wrote:
>Lots42 bomb vice president wrote:
>
>>>From: scu...@aol.comatose (kay w)
>
>>>Yeah, that boring code Amber law that would help solve childhood kidnappings
>>>by
>>>using existing emergency broadcast systems to publicize nationwide the
>>>description of kidnapped children,
>
>> How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car crashes has
>> it caused as people were distracted by all the info flashing on the highway
>> signs?
>
>My personal guesses would be, respectively, "none or not many" and
>"none".
Your personal guess, in respect to the first point, would be wrong.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/3790455.htm
Kidnap-alert signs are planned for Florida highways
From Herald Staff and Wire Reports
California authorities used highway signs to help find and rescue two
teenage girls, and Florida could have a similar system in place as
early as October.
Acting Friday, one day after the two kidnapped teens were rescued and
their abductor slain, officials from the Florida Department of Law
Enforcement, the governor's office and the Florida Department of
Transportation agreed to use signs to aid law enforcement in
abductions as soon as possible.
Thursday's drama ''served as a perfect example of how this works -- to
use these signs as a means of locating missing children,'' said
Jennifer McCord, spokeswoman for the FDLE in Tallahassee. ``People are
on the road and what better way to tell them the information.''
The signs in Florida were originally intended only to warn motorists
about traffic tie-ups or weather conditions. But, statewide, 109 of
the electronic highway signs that are either already in operation or
will be by October will now also be used in the so-called Amber Alert
System.
tooloud
news:20030314224738...@mb-dd.aol.com...
>
> >Yeah, that boring code Amber law that would help solve childhood
kidnappings
> >by
> >using existing emergency broadcast systems to publicize nationwide the
> >description of kidnapped children,
>
> How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car
crashes has
> it caused as people were distracted by all the info flashing on the
highway
> signs?
I dunno...the same number of car crashes caused by the same signs when they
read "17 mins to downtown"?
--
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Remove nothing to reply...
David Zeiger
>
>"Lots42 bomb vice president" <lot...@aol.comaol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030314224738...@mb-dd.aol.com...
>crashes has
>> it caused as people were distracted by all the info flashing on the
>highway
>> signs?
>
>Because, you know, no one in the United States has ever seen a freaking
>billboard.
FWIW, a news story here in Dallas (where the Amber Alert concept
originated) mentioned that the highway signs do cause occasional
traffic congestion. I think it's probably pretty safe to say
that this either has or will occasionally cause a car wreck
(though the signs would not be solely at fault).
Billboards generally have small amounts of text and a lot
of visuals. The Amber Alert signs contain considerably
more text (usually more than the traffic warnings they were
constructed for), and it's important for people to get a clear
reading of them. It seems hardly surprising that some people
would slow down to be able to read them, which would lead
to the occasional wreck.
Mind you, I'm not saying that the signs aren't a good idea,
just that the concept that there will be more car crashes
with them than without them cannot be completely discounted.
--
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Whenever I find myself in a difficult situation, I ask myself "What
Would Jesus Do?" The mental image of my opposition being cast into
pits of hellfire for all eternity *is* comforting, but probably not
what the inventors of the phrase had in mind.
Stephen Fels
> Your strawman is impressive but easily blown over. It doesn't matter what
this
> politician does or does not advocate. Said politician is not murdering
kids so
> he does not 'have the blood of children' on his hands.
Figure of speech. The politician in question is holding up implementation of
a nation-wide Amber Alert system. Proponents of the bill feel that every day
that goes by is potential for a child to be killed instead of rescued, since
the system has been credited with saving some 40 lives among the 30, or so
states that currently implement it.
> And I'm intrigued. What oh-so-grand system will prevent child deaths
without
> costing anyone anything?
Read up on the Amber Alert system. I'm sure there are some costs involved,
but it makes use of existing hardware (traffic alert signs and radio).
> If it's so good, why does it need a politican to push
> it through?
If it is to be implemented at the federal level, it needs lawmakers to make
it law.
> If it's so good, how could anyone stop it?
Politics. The Amber Alert is a very popular notion and as such, it has been
lumped in with a number of not-so-popular notions (such as a sex crimes law
that could put teenagers who have consuentual sex, in prison for life) into
a package bill proposal that is now before legislators. Proponents of the
Amber Alert are upset by this and are demanding that it be considered
separately, instead of as part of a package. Certain politicians realize
that this would mean death for their pet bills, so they're refusing to take
it out of the package.
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Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 15 Mar 2003 08:13:38 GMT that ...
>Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage wrote:
>
>> Ted, yes we have. Check your old posts. As I recall, we decided that
>> both of the major political parties in Oklahoma have been equally
>> smitten with the oneupmanship game of Who Does Jesus Love Most? (tm).
>
>I have a distinctive urge to try and work in a WWJD (Whom Would Jesus
>Do?) gag, here, but I can't quite make it fit.
Precisely as I intended!
Bill "Axis of Bad Jokes"
"Yow! Life is a blur of Republicans and meat!"
- Bill Griffith, as quoted by incandescent blue
Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:06:52 -0500 that ...
I hate bumper stickers - but I would put that one in my rear window!
Bill
Alan Hamilton
> "Rick B." <deep...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>APAP--Animal Planet All Puppies! Probably not coming soon to a
>>digital cable tier near you, but give it time.
>>
>>Rick B., who still thinks The Fire Channel is a viable concept.
>>C'mon, admit it, you stop and watch.
>
>What about the car wreck channel? You just HAVE to watch, you can't
>turn away.
Oh, you laugh. You think you're making something up.
http://pursuitwatch.com/
--
/
/ * / Alan Hamilton
* * al...@arizonaroads.com
Stan
I'm in the New York and Philadelphia area. I am fascinated by this.
According to the web site:
How Many Chases Have You Seen?
We've alerted subscribers to:
0 pursuits in the last 7 days
5 pursuits in the last 30 days
11 pursuits in the last 90 days
49 pursuits in the last year
(The last pursuit was 11 days ago)
So, Los Angeles area tv stations pre-empt scheduled shows to put these
chases on?
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>
>FWIW, a news story here in Dallas (where the Amber Alert concept
>originated) mentioned that the highway signs do cause occasional
>traffic congestion. I think it's probably pretty safe to say
>that this either has or will occasionally cause a car wreck
>(though the signs would not be solely at fault).
>
>Billboards generally have small amounts of text and a lot
>of visuals. The Amber Alert signs contain considerably
>more text (usually more than the traffic warnings they were
>constructed for), and it's important for people to get a clear
>reading of them. It seems hardly surprising that some people
>would slow down to be able to read them, which would lead
>to the occasional wreck.
Have you seen any? Idid last week. Two lines:
Amber Alert
Gray Daewoo ABC1234
I admit the color, make & license is made up here, as I cannot recall
the original, but that was all the info on the sign. Hardly more
text than the usual construction or delay warnings that often need
several full screens to provide all the info.
>
>Mind you, I'm not saying that the signs aren't a good idea,
>just that the concept that there will be more car crashes
>with them than without them cannot be completely discounted.
There are documented cases of the alerts being of aid. Have you any
documented cases of crashes due to the alerts?
Boron
Boron Elgar
Doesn't everyone?
Boron
Gary S. Callison
I don't. I thought those commercials were cute.
--
Huey "Guten morgen!" Callison
Opus the Penguin
> Politics. The Amber Alert is a very popular notion and as such, it
> has been lumped in with a number of not-so-popular notions (such
> as a sex crimes law that could put teenagers who have consuentual
> sex, in prison for life)
I've never even heard of "consuentual sex." What is it? (Maybe they
SHOULD go to prison for life.)
--
Opus the Penguin
"Here's a clue for some people: Your panties don't come off on their
own." - Lots42
Stephen Fels
"Opus the Penguin" <opusthe...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:Xns933FC4092B248op...@127.0.0.1...
> Stephen Fels wrote:
>
> > Politics. The Amber Alert is a very popular notion and as such, it
> > has been lumped in with a number of not-so-popular notions (such
> > as a sex crimes law that could put teenagers who have consuentual
> > sex, in prison for life)
>
> I've never even heard of "consuentual sex." What is it? (Maybe they
> SHOULD go to prison for life.)
It's the same as consensual, but with Mexican females.
Blinky the Shark
> So, Los Angeles area tv stations pre-empt scheduled shows to put these
> chases on?
Yep.
We even got one, once, from *Dallas*, because it was unusual -- a flatbed
40-footer full of lumber, with a job-site fork lift truck in tow. And
then some of the lumber caught fire.
But I missed the one a friend of mine did.
--
Blinky
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Blinky the Shark
> On 15 Mar 2003 08:15:22 GMT, Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>
> wrote:
>>Lots42 bomb vice president wrote:
>>>>From: scu...@aol.comatose (kay w)
>>>>Yeah, that boring code Amber law that would help solve childhood kidnappings
>>>>by
>>>>using existing emergency broadcast systems to publicize nationwide the
>>>>description of kidnapped children,
>>> How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car crashes has
>>> it caused as people were distracted by all the info flashing on the highway
>>> signs?
>>My personal guesses would be, respectively, "none or not many" and
>>"none".
> Hey...that was coin toss odds you just played.
Magic 8-Ball says: YES
Blinky the Shark
> On 15 Mar 2003 08:15:22 GMT, Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>
> wrote:
>>Lots42 bomb vice president wrote:
>>>>From: scu...@aol.comatose (kay w)
>>>>Yeah, that boring code Amber law that would help solve childhood
>>>>kidnappings by using existing emergency broadcast systems to
>>>>publicize nationwide the description of kidnapped children,
>>> How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car
>>> crashes has it caused as people were distracted by all the info
>>> flashing on the highway signs?
>>My personal guesses would be, respectively, "none or not many" and
>>"none".
> Your personal guess, in respect to the first point, would be wrong.
> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/3790455.htm
Not really.
Your source 1) doesn't contradict the "not many" part of my personal
guess for Amber apprehensions, and 2) nothing was said that contradicts
my personal guess that there have been no "car
crashes...caused...by all the inffo flashing on the highway signs."
If you consider "17 children since 1997" as more than "not many", then,
you mileage will vary, of course. As for me, it's "not many".
Blinky the Shark
> Doesn't everyone?
I don't.
Blinky the Shark
A 90-foot Jesus! Yow! Are we having fun, yet?
Bob Ward
wrote:
>
>>>> How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car
>>>> crashes has it caused as people were distracted by all the info
>>>> flashing on the highway signs?
>
>>>My personal guesses would be, respectively, "none or not many" and
>>>"none".
>
>> Your personal guess, in respect to the first point, would be wrong.
>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/3790455.htm
>
>Not really.
>
>Your source 1) doesn't contradict the "not many" part of my personal
>guess for Amber apprehensions, and 2) nothing was said that contradicts
>my personal guess that there have been no "car
>crashes...caused...by all the inffo flashing on the highway signs."
>
>If you consider "17 children since 1997" as more than "not many", then,
>you mileage will vary, of course. As for me, it's "not many".
You want syrup on that waffle? You said NONE or many - I contradicted
the "none" part of your statement - that's all that's needed to refute
your statement.
What is the basis for your conjecture that car crashes have resulted
from Amber Alerts?
David Zeiger
>Have you seen any? Idid last week. Two lines:
>
>Amber Alert
>Gray Daewoo ABC1234
I have not seen any while driving. I have seen pictures of
them, and they contained more information than that.
Regional differences, perhaps, or they've changed the sign
format since last I saw one.
>>Mind you, I'm not saying that the signs aren't a good idea,
>>just that the concept that there will be more car crashes
>>with them than without them cannot be completely discounted.
>
>There are documented cases of the alerts being of aid. Have you any
>documented cases of crashes due to the alerts?
Just how would I document such a thing anyway? AFAIK, a
comprehensive record of all accident causes isn't something
that is readily available to the public. And as I implied
earlier, the sign would not be the sole cause, chances are
any accidents that occur would be from the second car not noticing
in time that the car ahead slowed down. The cause would probably
be listed as "driver inattention" or some such, not really
distinguishable from many others.
What I do have documented cases of are slowdowns caused by
the Amber Alert signs, both what I mentioned earlier that I
heard on a local news broadcast, and, in a quick Google search
at
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/3783018.htm
I note that in this example, California, at the time, at
least, had a longer message, 4 lines listed. A couple other
articles I found mentioned that a contact phone number
was displayed on alerts they saw along with license plate
numbers. Perhaps you can memorize both a license plate and
a phone number while driving at highway speeds without
slowing down, but I doubt I could.
Freeway congestion will cause increased numbers of accidents.
There's always going to be someone somewhere sometime who will hit
the brakes too late.
Again, that's not to say that any increase in traffic accidents
makes the Amber Alert roadside system not worthwhile, I'm just
saying that the difference in the total number of accidents
with or without the Amber Alert roadside system is probably
non-zero.
Blinky the Shark
> On 16 Mar 2003 06:51:15 GMT, Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid>
> wrote:
>>>>> How many kidnappings has the Amber law helped 'solve'? How many car
>>>>> crashes has it caused as people were distracted by all the info
>>>>> flashing on the highway signs?
>>>>My personal guesses would be, respectively, "none or not many" and
>>>>"none".
>>> Your personal guess, in respect to the first point, would be wrong.
>>> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/3790455.htm
>>Not really.
>>Your source 1) doesn't contradict the "not many" part of my personal
>>guess for Amber apprehensions, and 2) nothing was said that contradicts
>>my personal guess that there have been no "car
>>crashes...caused...by all the inffo flashing on the highway signs."
>>If you consider "17 children since 1997" as more than "not many", then,
>>you mileage will vary, of course. As for me, it's "not many".
> You want syrup on that waffle? You said NONE or many - I contradicted
No, I said "none or not many" (re "saves", the first Q) and "none"
(re accidents, the second Q).
> the "none" part of your statement - that's all that's needed to refute
> your statement.
> What is the basis for your conjecture that car crashes have resulted
> from Amber Alerts?
I said "none" re accidents. What he heck are you reading? Apparently
not *my* post.
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:12:16 -0500, Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like they needed to fix the flash rate. It was the first use &
I assume they needed a bit of practice. First time also might take
drivers unawares, something that would diminish over time, too. The
reason for the slowdown was that folks just could not read it all at
normal highway speeds. ONce the adjustments are made & people know
what the alert system is for, I'd guess it would improve.
>Again, that's not to say that any increase in traffic accidents
>makes the Amber Alert roadside system not worthwhile, I'm just
>saying that the difference in the total number of accidents
>with or without the Amber Alert roadside system is probably
>non-zero.
Cannot say without data. Since there is an extensive system of highway
alert messages already in use and more added all the time, I have a
feeling that it isn't much of a problem.
Boron
Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Sun, 16 Mar 2003 05:39:49 GMT that ...
I'm embarrassed to admit I thought he was really hot when those ads
first started.
Bill
------------------------------------------
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating
contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick
the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Dana Carpender
Singes qui se rendent tout en mangeant du fromage wrote:
> Good old hu...@yin.interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) wrote in
> alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Sun, 16 Mar 2003 05:39:49 GMT that ...
>
>>Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>hu...@yin.interaccess.com (Gary S. Callison) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"mike" <mikein562...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"The Ulterior Decorator" <edwardj...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Smarmy self-righteous little publicity addict
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when the movie comes out, think ed begley jr will play him?
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe Isuzu.
>>>>
>>>>(german dude) "I _hate_ Joe Isuzu."
>>>
>>>Doesn't everyone?
>>
>>I don't. I thought those commercials were cute.
>
>
> I'm embarrassed to admit I thought he was really hot when those ads
> first started.
And people make fun of me for being hot for Steven the Dell Boy...
Dana
Greg Goss
>>Do you think that the case would have gotten as much publicity as it
>>did if the Smarts weren't affluent white people? I certainly don't.
>
>Mention has been made by some media that this is true. I have not seen
>any stats on it at all, though. It was just speculation. Dunno. I
>think the initial news of such things may be equal, but keeping it in
>the news takes a lot of effort & free time. Those with money have more
>free time. If the person(s) pushing it all has posters & billboards &
>neighbors with ribbon festooned trees & websites & organizations in on
>the deal & is articulate & willing to speak in public, it is going to
>be all over the place. .
At the height of the "missing white children" craze last summer, CNN
picked a "missing black girl" story to counter with.
The real story was "nobody covers missing black kids" couched as
"here's someone that the media should be covering". The story was as
much SELF criticism as it was criticisizing other media or really
covering the black girl.
It got several stories across about a three day period.
Greg Goss
>
>> So, Los Angeles area tv stations pre-empt scheduled shows to put these
>> chases on?
One of the car chase videos that shows on TLC from time to time
("learning" channel?) shows the carjacker's sister come running out
from their house after she recognized him on live TV. Since he was
stuck in slow traffic for a moment, she grabbed onto the car and was
dragged a bit before falling off.
Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>We even got one, once, from *Dallas*, because it was unusual -- a flatbed
>40-footer full of lumber, with a job-site fork lift truck in tow. And
>then some of the lumber caught fire.
I think that they tried a spike strip that flattened several tires,
and the heat of driving on flattened tires was what lit the lumber.
Greg Goss
>> And I'm intrigued. What oh-so-grand system will prevent child deaths without
>> costing anyone anything?
>
>Code Amber, I believe he was referring to. It doesn't cost anything
>to set up, because the system it would use is pre-existing. That's
>why I pointed out it wouldn't cost anything because it uses a
>pre-existing system. Am I typing too fast for you?
>
>>If it's so good, why does it need a politican to push
>> it through?
>
>Well, in our representative system of government, there are three
>separate branches, executive, judiciary and legislative. The
>executive executes laws which have been passed by the legislative
>branch. Before Code Amber can be executed, it must become a law.
>Legislators have to vote to pass the law. The law has to be "pushed
>through" the system. A politician has to push it through, because
>they don't let CPAs write laws. See, legislators have to do it.
>That's just the way the system was designed.
Unfortunately, the system was designed to hang pork. The first
version of the "amber system" federal law was (according to what I've
been told -- I don't follow the amber stuff in much detail) so heavily
loaded with obviously unrelated pork that the senate had to toss it
aside in disgust.
Sort of like the get-out-of-lawsuit-free card that was implanted into
homeland security by a Congress who then went home so it couldn't be
amended back out of the law.
Blinky the Shark
>>Stan wrote:
>>> So, Los Angeles area tv stations pre-empt scheduled shows to put
>>> these chases on?
> One of the car chase videos that shows on TLC from time to time
> ("learning" channel?) shows the carjacker's sister come running out
> from their house after she recognized him on live TV. Since he was
> stuck in slow traffic for a moment, she grabbed onto the car and was
> dragged a bit before falling off.
We had a guy on the freeway, a few months ago, drive off into a truck
bail-out lane of deep gravel. Naturally, he came to a stop. He got
out, looked around, went to the back of his car, looked puzzled, looked
around again, and tried to *push* the car. Naturally, it wouldn't
budge. He got back in. And sat there for a while, before finally
giving up.
Lots42 bomb vice president
>Amber Alert
>Gray Daewoo ABC1234
>
>I admit the color, make & license is made up here, as I cannot recall
>the original, but that was all the info on the sign.
Well, I'm glad there's not as much info crammed up there as I thought. But, I
couldn't, for the life of me, tell a Toyota from a Ford from a Luxury Sedan. (I
can only recognize Ford Explorers and Selicas because I've been passengers in
each for years). Anywho, 'Grey 4door Daewoo AB etc.' would have been better.
kay w
TedtC85"
>>>>A friend once told me that he saw a 90 foot tall Jesus. "Granted, its
>>>>not nearly as tall as a 900 foot Jesus. But you gotta admit, it's still
>>>>a pretty tall Jesus."
Huey:
>>>This is too long for a motto, but if I was the sort of person who kept a
>>>.sigfile, this'd go in it.
Me(kay):
>> Someone, I think, posted this a couple years ago...in a thread that had to
do
>> with the miracle of transubstantiation, could it have been Dana? Something
>> about how much all the body of Christ would weigh after all this time...the
>> details are fuzzy.
Dana:
>Certainly I have more than once voiced the observation that if
>transubstantiation is a literal truth, Jesus must have been one
>*immense* dude. I may well have said so here.
Ah HA! I knew my brain hadn't *quite* turned to mush yet (although why this
floats into my memory when I can't find my glasses and I went out of town with
the back door standing open is beyond me.)
From Googleland:
(all below quoted from Goog):
From: Rick Howard (ri...@mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: My religion can beat up your religion
View: Complete Thread (113 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.fan.cecil-adams
Date: 2000-09-14 18:15:25 PST
Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote in message
news:39C0EC53...@kiva.net...
> Me, I always wondered just how big Jesus would have to be if you added up all
the
> bread and wine that had been mystically turned into his flesh and blood over
the
> years... That's one *big* dude.
When televangelist Oral Roberts was short on raising money for his hospital he
claimed that he saw a 900 foot Jesus pick up the City of Faith hospital and
raise
it into the air. I would think that it would be miraculous enough just to
have Jesus
pick up your hospital, making him 900 feet tall seems like overkill.
Afterwards, one local wag claimed that he saw a 90 foot Jesus. "True, he
wasn't
as tall as a 900 foot Jesus, but he was still a pretty big Jesus."
--
Gas up the dingy and go fishing with Fredo, because you are dead to me.
Dennis Miller, on France.
Address munged. AOL isn't necessarily comatose.
Dana Carpender
kay w wrote:
> Previously,
>
> TedtC85"
>
>>>>>A friend once told me that he saw a 90 foot tall Jesus. "Granted, its
>>>>>not nearly as tall as a 900 foot Jesus. But you gotta admit, it's still
>>>>>a pretty tall Jesus."
>>>>
>
> Huey:
>
>>>>This is too long for a motto, but if I was the sort of person who kept a
>>>>.sigfile, this'd go in it.
>>>
>
> Me(kay):
>
>>>Someone, I think, posted this a couple years ago...in a thread that had to
>>
> do
>
>>>with the miracle of transubstantiation, could it have been Dana? Something
>>>about how much all the body of Christ would weigh after all this time...the
>>>details are fuzzy.
>>
>
> Dana:
>
>>Certainly I have more than once voiced the observation that if
>>transubstantiation is a literal truth, Jesus must have been one
>>*immense* dude. I may well have said so here.
>
>
> Ah HA! I knew my brain hadn't *quite* turned to mush yet (although why this
> floats into my memory when I can't find my glasses and I went out of town with
> the back door standing open is beyond me.)
>
Because it was so characteristically witty and clever of me, of course. ;-D
Dana
Stan
>We had a guy on the freeway, a few months ago, drive off into a truck
>bail-out lane of deep gravel. Naturally, he came to a stop. He got
>out, looked around, went to the back of his car, looked puzzled, looked
>around again, and tried to *push* the car. Naturally, it wouldn't
>budge. He got back in. And sat there for a while, before finally
>giving up.
I might need an explanation of the bail-out lane. Is the deep gravel
on the side of the road to stop trucks whose brakes have failed? And
it's deep enough to stop a car? How deep? What keeps it in place?
--
Stan
"Parents without the internet should have their children taken away." ... Peggy Hill
Sean Houtman
>And posing for pictures. Lots of pictures. And telling people how happy
>we are she's home, vs. actually enjoying her.
It may be that her kidnapper spent too much time enjoying her for her to want
much of that from daddy...
Sean
--
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Last updated 08-04-02 with 15 pictures of the Aztec Ruins.
Address mungled. To email, please spite my face.
David Zeiger
>Cannot say without data. Since there is an extensive system of highway
>alert messages already in use and more added all the time, I have a
>feeling that it isn't much of a problem.
Oh, I agree. If you're going to argue against the Amber Alert
system, "increasing highway accidents" shouldn't be the main
thrust of the argument. I just don't think that claiming
zero accidents is a warranted assumption.
David Zeiger
>>We even got one, once, from *Dallas*, because it was unusual -- a flatbed
>>40-footer full of lumber, with a job-site fork lift truck in tow. And
>>then some of the lumber caught fire.
>
>I think that they tried a spike strip that flattened several tires,
>and the heat of driving on flattened tires was what lit the lumber.
The best part was when one of those wheels, which was also
on fire, came off and bounced down the road. A blazing,
bouncing rubber fireball.
mike
"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
news:97e97v0o5qtucn12j...@4ax.com...
> >Stan wrote:
> >
> >> So, Los Angeles area tv stations pre-empt scheduled shows to put these
> >> chases on?
>
> One of the car chase videos that shows on TLC from time to time
> ("learning" channel?) shows the carjacker's sister come running out
> from their house after she recognized him on live TV. Since he was
> stuck in slow traffic for a moment, she grabbed onto the car and was
> dragged a bit before falling off.
them samoans are wacky like that
mike
"Stan" <sze...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4s3a7v40n75g86120...@4ax.com...
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote:
>
> >We had a guy on the freeway, a few months ago, drive off into a truck
> >bail-out lane of deep gravel. Naturally, he came to a stop. He got
> >out, looked around, went to the back of his car, looked puzzled, looked
> >around again, and tried to *push* the car. Naturally, it wouldn't
> >budge. He got back in. And sat there for a while, before finally
> >giving up.
>
> I might need an explanation of the bail-out lane. Is the deep gravel
> on the side of the road to stop trucks whose brakes have failed? And
> it's deep enough to stop a car? How deep? What keeps it in place?
its used on roads going down steep grades, basically an off ramp to nowhere.
filled with about a foot or so of pea gravel.
Mr C
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:52:05 GMT, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
> >>We even got one, once, from *Dallas*, because it was unusual -- a flatbed
> >>40-footer full of lumber, with a job-site fork lift truck in tow. And
> >>then some of the lumber caught fire.
> >
> >I think that they tried a spike strip that flattened several tires,
> >and the heat of driving on flattened tires was what lit the lumber.
>
> The best part was when one of those wheels, which was also
> on fire, came off and bounced down the road. A blazing,
> bouncing rubber fireball.
I remember reading in an Esquire strange newsstories collection about
a very odd death. A guy is talking on a payphone, a little distance
from the Interstate. A wheel comes off a passing 18-wheeler, rolls
across everal lanes of traffic, down the embankment and crashes into
the phone booth. What are the chances?
Imagine what the guy on the other end of the phone must've thought.
Mr C
Blinky the Shark
What mike wrote, and: if it'll stop a semi, it'll stop a car; I dunno
how they retain it, other than by it being fill in a graded depression.
Blinky the Shark
Country tune inspiration: "She's A Off Ramp To Nowhere"
Gary S. Callison
> I remember reading in an Esquire strange newsstories collection about
> a very odd death. A guy is talking on a payphone, a little distance
> from the Interstate. A wheel comes off a passing 18-wheeler, rolls
> across everal lanes of traffic, down the embankment and crashes into
> the phone booth. What are the chances?
A friend and co-worker of mine, back when I was driving a delivery truck,
had this happen to him:
He's driving the truck (a mid-90s Chevy S-10) down North Avenue west of
Carol Stream. A semi-trailer going the other way had an entire axle
assembly break apart. A set of duals with initial velocity of around 50mph
goes sailing off into traffic, bounces around some, skitters into
oncoming traffic, and hits Chris's truck right square in the center of
the driver's side B-pillar.
Chris was a little shaken up, but not hurt. Insurance company wrote the
truck off. If it'd hit a foot or two forward, he'd probably would have
lost a leg.
--
Huey
Jonathan Miller
> Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> I don't think Ed Smart mentions God any more than the average Grammy
>> winner does, either.
>
> Or the average politician. When did invoking deity become a required
> thing for every politician? I find it smarmy.
9-11.
Before that, it was only required for those who wanted the conservative
vote.
And I even remember, way back when, when it was prohibited for those who
wanted the liberal vote.
Jon Miller
Dana Carpender
Well, I will also go on record as being unhappy that God Bless America
has somehow become the de facto national anthem. I rather like the Star
Spangled Banner, but realize that many find it hard to sing. (I can
sing it, but only if I start in the right key.) But I'd much rather see
America the Beautiful supplant it than God Bless America. Or see us go
back to America, which was the most commonly sung patriotic song for
quite a while, or so it seems to me.
Dana
Paul L. Madarasz
<dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote, perhaps among other things:
>Well, I will also go on record as being unhappy that God Bless America
>has somehow become the de facto national anthem. I rather like the Star
>Spangled Banner, but realize that many find it hard to sing. (I can
>sing it, but only if I start in the right key.) But I'd much rather see
>America the Beautiful supplant it than God Bless America. Or see us go
>back to America, which was the most commonly sung patriotic song for
>quite a while, or so it seems to me.
Amen, but I've always been partial to "This Land Is Your Land,"
especially with the "censored" stanza.
"On the other side/ It didn't say nothin'....
--
Paul L. Madarasz
Tucson, Baja Arizona
"How 'bout cuttin' that rebop?"
-- S. Kowalski
Blinky the Shark
> Well, I will also go on record as being unhappy that God Bless America
> has somehow become the de facto national anthem. I rather like the
> Star
No problem. Just replace the dreaded G-word:
America, America,
Will *AND* Grace live here free.
And lay some good
Upon the 'hood,
From sea to shining sea.
Alternate second line:
We all can live carb-free.
JB
>
> Mr C <cams...@att.net> wrote:
> > I remember reading in an Esquire strange newsstories collection about
> > a very odd death. A guy is talking on a payphone, a little distance
> > from the Interstate. A wheel comes off a passing 18-wheeler, rolls
> > across everal lanes of traffic, down the embankment and crashes into
> > the phone booth. What are the chances?
>
> A friend and co-worker of mine, back when I was driving a delivery truck,
> had this happen to him:
>
> He's driving the truck (a mid-90s Chevy S-10) down North Avenue west of
> Carol Stream. A semi-trailer going the other way had an entire axle
> assembly break apart. A set of duals with initial velocity of around 50mph
> goes sailing off into traffic, bounces around some, skitters into
> oncoming traffic, and hits Chris's truck right square in the center of
> the driver's side B-pillar.
While I was watching in my rearview mirror a wheel pair fell off a
tandem-tanker behind me on the Anaheim freeway. The axle dropped to the
pavement and generated a stream of sparks while the rig fishtailed all
across the road. That was pretty exciting to see, but I stopped
watching the rig when I noticed the wheel pair rolling towards me,
straight and true in my lane where I was boxed in by traffic on either
side. Fortunately traffic kept rolling till the freeway made a bend;
the pursuing wheels weren't smart enough to follow the bend and
eventually they scraped to a stop along the concrete divider barrier. I
never learned what happened to the rig or its driver. --JB
Dana Carpender
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Dana Carpender wrote:
>
>
>>Well, I will also go on record as being unhappy that God Bless America
>>has somehow become the de facto national anthem. I rather like the
>>Star
>
>
> No problem. Just replace the dreaded G-word:
>
> America, America,
> Will *AND* Grace live here free.
> And lay some good
> Upon the 'hood,
> From sea to shining sea.
>
> Alternate second line:
>
> We all can live carb-free.
But I don't advocate living carb-free!! Just carb minimized. I love my
vegetables.
Dana (we won't even talk about my light beer...)
>
Blinky the Shark
>> Alternate second line:
YOU try to make "minimized" rhyme with "sea".