So why are so many Captain Beefheart fans also Zappa fans?

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Mark Dobson

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Jan 30, 2002, 11:07:33 AM1/30/02
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I like 'Weasels ripped my flesh' and 'We're only in it for the money'.
Everything else I've ever listened to I can take or leave. I mean, even the
good stuff doesn't fill me with amazement.

Just wondering...


Bob Harkleroad

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Jan 31, 2002, 10:33:34 AM1/31/02
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"Mark Dobson" <tso...@another.com> wrote in message
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Maybe because 50% of their fans are actually from the Antelope Valley and
have a sense of responsibility toward their prodigal sons? Then again, maybe
not. I'm with you on the Zappa thing.


Robert Carey

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Jan 31, 2002, 1:21:31 PM1/31/02
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Probably works the other way around. A lot of older Beefheart fans were Zappa
fans first. Then when Trout Mask came out they were curious about it because
it was on Zappa's new label.

I loved the first five or so Mothers albums when they came out, but I never
listen to them anymore, and I am listening to "Doctor Dark" right now...

William

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Jan 31, 2002, 3:54:15 PM1/31/02
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Robert Carey wrote:

> Probably works the other way around. A lot of older Beefheart fans were Zappa
> fans first. Then when Trout Mask came out they were curious about it because
> it was on Zappa's new label.
>
> I loved the first five or so Mothers albums when they came out, but I never
> listen to them anymore, and I am listening to "Doctor Dark" right now...

I second the above emotion.


garynealchilds

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Jan 31, 2002, 6:30:45 PM1/31/02
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Creativity, musicianship, humor.


Raymond D Ricker

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Jan 31, 2002, 7:10:45 PM1/31/02
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"garynealchilds" <garynea...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Creativity, musicianship, humor.
>
Are you talking about Zappa or the fans? If the latter, we all thank you.

RDR


ZOOGZ RIFT The Liquid Moamo

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Jan 31, 2002, 8:53:48 PM1/31/02
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They both had eyeballs and skeletons.

I have gibbons.

Spencer

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Jan 31, 2002, 3:21:23 PM1/31/02
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"Robert Carey" <ca...@gsi.org> wrote in message
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: Probably works the other way around. A lot of older Beefheart fans
were Zappa
: fans first.

Not in the UK. Hot Rats was popular but Beafheart was big from Safe as
Milk onwards.

Many of us were frightened of Trout Mask at first. If you put it on in a
room full of stoned people they thought you were being wierd and trying
to freak them out.
Consequently I had to listen to it straight, at my parents house on my
own.
It was given to me by a friend who had been so freaked by Big Joan while
on a trip that he had to get rid the record !
Some people have no sence of tumour ha!
--

Spencer

Nihilism should commence with oneself.


commodious

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Jan 31, 2002, 10:09:07 PM1/31/02
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On 31 Jan 2002 17:53:48 -0800, liqui...@hotmail.com (ZOOGZ RIFT The Liquid
Moamo) wrote:

>They both had eyeballs and skeletons.
>
>I have gibbons.

Speaking of your website, is it down? I haven't been able to get to it for a
couple days now.

Mack Furlong

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Feb 1, 2002, 9:04:46 AM2/1/02
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Spencer wrote:

> Many of us were frightened of Trout Mask at first. If you put it on in a
> room full of stoned people they thought you were being wierd and trying
> to freak them out.

My brother couldn't get into Cap'n until he saw a performance because
"Dachau Blues" scared the shit out of him. Wasn't until later that he
discovered that's what the Captain wanted to do.

Mack

uncle felcher

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Feb 4, 2002, 4:01:42 PM2/4/02
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"commodious" <jcpr...@hotmail.comeonin> wrote in message
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me too


USERMUR11

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Feb 4, 2002, 4:15:04 PM2/4/02
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>I have gibbons.

No, ZZ Top has Gibbons.
- Concerned In Texas

ZOOGZ RIFT The Liquid Moamo

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"uncle felcher" <wrmm...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<1AC78.75$SJ.7...@news.uswest.net>...


I can't get into it, either. Use http://zoogzrift.4mg.com/ instead.

Ogden Freen

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Feb 11, 2002, 6:57:14 PM2/11/02
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USERMUR11 wrote:


...but they don't know how to use them.

Insert 500mA fuse here.

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Mar 23, 2002, 6:16:34 AM3/23/02
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> Everything else I've ever listened to I can take or leave.

You ain't heard Thing-Fish then?

Dave


BlackMonk

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Mar 23, 2002, 12:24:55 PM3/23/02
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I'm not.

Besides, I think the phenomenon of Beefheat-Bonzos fan crossover is more
interesting. Does that make sense to anyone?


ZOOGZ RIFT The Liquid Moamo

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Mar 23, 2002, 7:42:30 PM3/23/02
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"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote in message news:<a7ie30$lkpgh$1...@ID-133514.news.dfncis.de>...

> I'm not.
>
> Besides, I think the phenomenon of Beefheat-Bonzos fan crossover is more
> interesting. Does that make sense to anyone?

In the canyons of your mind, don't forget Beefheart-Dylan, or, most
importantly, Beefheart-Rift...

Joe Castleman

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Mar 24, 2002, 9:25:19 PM3/24/02
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liqui...@hotmail.com (ZOOGZ RIFT The Liquid Moamo) wrote:

Y'all talking about collaborations? I've read that "N. Senada" was
supposedly Capt. Beefheart.

--Joe C.

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Austin, Texas U.S.A.

Alfred Armstrong

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Mar 25, 2002, 6:24:55 AM3/25/02
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Joe Castleman plied the readers of alt.fan.capt-beefheart with:

> Y'all talking about collaborations? I've read that "N. Senada" was
> supposedly Capt. Beefheart.
>

Yeah, and Paul's dead!

--
Alfred Armstrong http://www.oddbooks.co.uk/
"All the faults of the age come from Christianity and journalism"
- Frank Harris

Mike Dickson

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Mar 25, 2002, 5:08:46 PM3/25/02
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In article <Xns91DC74D2...@193.195.219.209> alf...@ellaguru.freeserve.co.uk wrote...

> > Y'all talking about collaborations? I've read that "N. Senada" was
> > supposedly Capt. Beefheart.
> >
>
> Yeah, and Paul's dead!

H E * * * I S * * * ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Mike Dickson, Edinburgh, Scotland

Jeff Economy

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Mar 26, 2002, 1:41:48 PM3/26/02
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Joe Castleman <rnast...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> I've read that "N. Senada" was supposedly Capt. Beefheart.

I used to think the same thing, until I read the liner notes to
the POLLEX CHRISTI CD:

When first introduced as a "composer" to the
artists-who-were-soon-to-be-known-as-The Residents, N. Senada quickly
explained that he was a poor composer, but an excellent "architect." He
explained that he built "houses of bricks." His bricks were chunks from
the works of various composers.

"I am not the composer of the bricks, I just cement them together," he
said. "I am the composer of the house. It is the house that is
important: its form, its usefulness, its sense of joy."

N. Senada thereby explained his most important theorem, which, in 1935,
launched him into Pre-Post-Modernism. His native Germany had no idea
what to make of him, citing him as a plagiarist, a thief, and a cultural
pagan. Nonplused, N. Senada agreed, but asked, "If a man steals
philosophy from many great thinkers and combines them into a new
philosophy, is he not yet another great thinker?"

A great thinker he was, but that proved of so little value in prewar
Germany that in 1938 he moved to Northern Canada to escape what he
perceived as a nation gone mad. He continued to think, but refused to
create new compositions, stating only that the music in him was "too
frightened."

Though most of his work was destroyed, some of his compositions, which
he called "Blueprints" did survive. Much of his published philosophical
writings can still be found in libraries.

Pollex Christi, which means either "The Big Toe of Christ" or "The Thumb
of Christ," is one of the Blueprints that N. Senada brought with him to
Canada. Written in 1936-37, it stands as a model of N. Senada's
philosophy.

It is a massive collision of Germanic themes. "Stealing from the best,"
he would say. He meant that the composers he admired most: Wagner,
Beethoven, Orff, Bach; had also lifted folk tunes to integrate into
their works. He felt that music was constant and he was merely another
in the long human line bringing these ancient tunes into the present.
Not one to hide, even for a moment, behind the romantic illusion of "the
artist," he launched Pollex Christi unabashedIy with the opening four
notes of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. These are arguably the most well
known series of notes in history.

Beethoven made a statement when he wrote those notes. He wished it
understood this was the entire piece of music in its most perfect form.
N. Senada used the same four notes to tell the listener something
entirely different: "I didn't write these notes, nor, probably, any of
the others." Therefore, this music was not about notes.

Sections of Pollex Christi, and his otherworks, were difficult to
perform because he felt that the pace of life in 1936 was so much faster
that music had to be played faster as well. N. Senada's belief was that
the attempt to play his compositions at impossible speeds became their
most interesting aspect. "It will continually offer unimaginable
variations," he would say.

"If the audience wants perfectly played music, let them listen to
angels. Human music should stumble along most pitifully." Pollex Christi
was particularly known for its pitiful, though plaintive "guitar tuning"
solo.

The most curious aspect of N. Senada's compositions, Pollex Christi
included, were the holes. If he were indeed building brick houses, then
he intentionally left out some of the bricks. He believed it was
imperative for their happiness that the person who lived in a house
contribute to the building of that house. These compositional spaces
required the performer or conductor to "fill in the holes."

The type of hole-filler he encouraged were short popular pieces that
were in contrast to the surrounding composition. He often said that
those were the only parts he truly enjoyed when he heard his work
performed.

Insert 500m.A. Fuse Here

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Apr 13, 2002, 11:03:29 AM4/13/02
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> Besides, I think the phenomenon of Beefheat-Bonzos fan crossover is more
> interesting. Does that make sense to anyone?
>
>
Yall may be interested to know (or maybees you dun guv a cuss) that The
Temperance Seven played
here at SW UK last year.....

That should sort out the fans from the wannabees.......

Dave
.


spencerc...@gmail.com

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On Tuesday, 5 February 2002 05:58:41 UTC, ZOOGZ RIFT The Liquid Moamo

Hey Zoogz ! Remember me ? I used to post as Spencer Spindrift.

I remember how funny you were.

A newbie posted asking if he could join and you said, " Fuck off ! This group has nothing to do with Sgt. Meathead. "

I wonder if he got the joke or took offence ?

Is any of your work available ?

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