Buddy Holly bootleg
bhl...@my-dejanews.com
E-Bay. Here is part of the description that accompanies it.
"I bought it 3 years ago & I've never seen another...the famous, undubbed,
untouched songs found on Buddy Holly's Ampex tape player after he died &
more, including the song Buddy never wanted released: N*gger Hating Me from
a forgotten rehersal in 1955...The CD contains 24 songs...produced in
Luxembourg...In addition to his final songs (Peggy Sue Got Married, Slippin'
and Sliding, Smokey Joe's Cafe, etc.) this also contains unreleased rehersal
songs, family acetates and outtakes from before he hit the big time.
I have never heard of this alleged song of buddy's. Does anyone have this CD?
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g.ro...@the-dma.org.uk
Yes I have a copy of this CD which I bought at a Record Fair in Cheltenham
England about three years ago. It is a very interesting CD but I don't think
that it is rare.
Geoff
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gerry...@my-dejanews.com
>> including the song Buddy never wanted released: N*gger Hating Me from
> > a forgotten rehersal in 1955...
That song seems most out of character for Buddy. I read recently that it is
not Buddy singing on that song. I am sorry but I forgot who made the
statement that it was not Buddy, but I do recall that it was a fairly
knowledgable source of information.
Gerry
Julian
Slippin & slidin. I also picked it up in a record fair in England.
It lists tracks 1-12 Apartment tapes; 13-16 Lost Apartment tapes;17-22
Holley's familly acetates (sic);23-24 original undubbed versions.
Nigger hatin' me is one of the family acetates.
Julian
Alistair Mepham
I think I've heard of this CD, though I can't remember where, it may have
been in one of my forays into amazon.com's record store. I do have an MCA
release record Number MCBD19522 that has undubbed versions of "You're the
one" and "Love is Strange" I bought it in Woollies in Southampton a few
years ago and would like more. If you track Buddy Holly bootleg down let me
know.
Alistair
geoff...@my-dejanews.com
I have this bootleg and would be prepared to tape it. Please
reply if interested to my email address in the first case.
cheers Geoff
CJ Schoenrock
>
> >> including the song Buddy never wanted released: N*gger Hating Me from
> > > a forgotten rehersal in 1955...
>
> That song seems most out of character for Buddy. I read recently that it is
> not Buddy singing on that song. I am sorry but I forgot who made the
> statement that it was not Buddy, but I do recall that it was a fairly
> knowledgable source of information.
>
> Gerry
Just a quick statement here... In Lubbock in 1955, black people
were still required by law to live east of Avenue A and could
work during the day on the west side, where whites lived, but
were not allowed to cross over Avenue A into the west part of
town after sundown. There were separate water fountains,
bathrooms, and schools. You went to jail if you drank out of the
wrong water fountain or went to the wrong bathroom. The races
were not supposed to "mix" socially. Blacks and whites couldn't
dance on the same dance floor. It was deeply segregated.
Buddy's family was extremely poor, though, and they moved
often... staying one step ahead of the landlord's eviction
notice. At one time they lived on the east side, where rents
were cheap. I do know from doing interviews with them that Buddy
is well-respected by the older black community here. They talk
about him not having the racist attitudes that most whites did at
that time, and they tell stories of him spending a lot of time in
the black clubs, listening to the live music in east Lubbock. So
while I'm not sure about the history of that particular song,
from talking to the black people of Lubbock about him, I don't
believe he was overtly racist. But that doesn't mean that he
wasn't a product of the institutional racism that pervaded (and
still pervades) Lubbock (we only got out from under federally
court ordered desegregation orders about 3 or 4 years ago... it
only took the school board 40 years to get it right... and I'm
not sure they didn't just wear down the courts).
So, Buddy may indeed, have used the N word because it was a very
common word here in 1955, used by whites and blacks alike. That
did not begin to change until the late 60s and early 70s. It
wasn't until the 80s that you stopped hearing the word being used
or that most white people were offended by its use. The fact
that Buddy didn't ever want it released speaks somewhat to his
racial sensitivity, since he died in 1959... a time when the
majority of whites in Lubbock wouldn't have given it a second
thought or believed there was anything wrong with it.
Perhaps giving it a bit of context might help. I will see if I
can ask Bill Griggs if he knows how that record came to be made
and what the nature of its content is.
CJ
--
I believe that man will not merely endure; he will prevail. He is
immortal, not because he ... has an inexhaustible voice, but
because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and
sacrifice and endurance. The poet's and writer's duty is to write
about these things.
-- William Faulkner's Nobel Prize acceptance speech, 1950
gerry...@my-dejanews.com
I would agree that in the context of the times, that song might have been
reasonable for Buddy to sing. Nevertheless, I read (I think it was in one of
the Holly International Magazines) that Buddy did NOT record the version that
is on that cd. I will try to find the reference. I hope that Bill Griggs can
help us.
Gerry
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was not sung by Buddy Holly. On page 4 of Holly International Magazine #2,
there is an article entitled "Words of Hate" by David Meaden. In it he says
that he checked with Buddy Holly expert John Firminger, who edits "Crickets
File" magazine. According to the article, "recording is by one Johnny Rebel,
who had released a number of southern racist songs..." The bootleg cd of
Buddy Holly songs was manufactured in Luxembourg and the author of the
articles says he does now know why it was mixed in with the Buddy Holly
material.
Rave On!
Gerry
gerry...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >> including the song Buddy never wanted released: N*gger Hating Me from
> > > a forgotten rehersal in 1955...
>
> That song seems most out of character for Buddy. I read recently that it is
> not Buddy singing on that song. I am sorry but I forgot who made the
> statement that it was not Buddy, but I do recall that it was a fairly
> knowledgable source of information.
>
> Gerry
CJ Schoenrock
gerry...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> I found the article that I mentioned earlier daying that "N*gger Hating Me"
> was not sung by Buddy Holly. On page 4 of Holly International Magazine #2,
> there is an article entitled "Words of Hate" by David Meaden. In it he says
> that he checked with Buddy Holly expert John Firminger, who edits "Crickets
> File" magazine. According to the article, "recording is by one Johnny Rebel,
> who had released a number of southern racist songs..." The bootleg cd of
> Buddy Holly songs was manufactured in Luxembourg and the author of the
> articles says he does now know why it was mixed in with the Buddy Holly
> material.
Ah, thanks, Gerry. I feel a lot better knowing that Buddy didn't
succumb to the attitudes he grew up around. BTW, do you or
anybody else know how to get hold of John Firminger, or more
specifically, how to subscribe to "Crickets File"? Thanks!
gerry...@my-dejanews.com
> Ah, thanks, Gerry. I feel a lot better knowing that Buddy didn't
> succumb to the attitudes he grew up around. BTW, do you or
> anybody else know how to get hold of John Firminger, or more
> specifically, how to subscribe to "Crickets File"? Thanks!
It is nice to be able to teach YOU something about Buddy for a change, CJ.
:-)
Crickets File Magazine
412 Main Road
Darnall
Sheffield S94QL, England
I got the address from Goldrosen & Beecher's book Remembering Buddy. There
are a number of other addresses at the back of the book, including one that I
have not written to, The Australian Buddy Holly & the Crickets Appreciation
Society. I th ink that the address should still be valid as it came from the
1996 edition of the book.
Rave On!
CJ Schoenrock
gerry...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> CJ Schoenrock <c...@texasonline.net> wrote:
> > Ah, thanks, Gerry. I feel a lot better knowing that Buddy didn't
> > succumb to the attitudes he grew up around. BTW, do you or
> > anybody else know how to get hold of John Firminger, or more
> > specifically, how to subscribe to "Crickets File"? Thanks!
>
> It is nice to be able to teach YOU something about Buddy for a change, CJ.
> :-)
lol, Gerry. Actually, there is a *lot* I don't know. The fans
seems to know a lot of the details about Buddy's career and body
of work that I don't know. What I know is more about the Buddy
Holley, the *person*... from stories of those who knew him. But
I need to learn more about the other part, which is why I come to
this newsgroup. It has been very helpful, so far. So thanks!
:)
And thanks for the address, too.
gerry...@my-dejanews.com
at this is still his address.
Gerry