British Stereotypes - Please!
Matthew Huntbach
: Looking at Sooz's post with a few choice words about engineers -
: I realized that I know all the stereotypes the Americans have of
: engineers but not what the British have... I'm especially interested
: in Civil Engineers (who seem to be involved almost exclusively in
: working for local gov'ts over there) - but give me what you've got.
In Britain the word "engineer" conjures up someone with dirty overalls,
a fag in his mouth, a gorblimey accent, an office in a junkyard papered
with page 3 girls, a habit of asking for payments in cash, and a qualification
which at most involved a bit of day-release at the local tech. Most British
people are simply not aware that there is such a thing as "Engineering"
which involves working bloody hard at university and doing a lot of mathematics
(and if this were pointed out to them would still think that "a lot of
mathematics" means school arithmetic with longer numbers). The British
stereotype is that university is a place for swanning about reading poetry
or studying history, with the only conceivable thing someone who's good at
science could do being medicine.
This goes a long way to explaining why the country is in such a mess.
Matthew Huntbach
John Stevens
> More info please. Do you live in Fenham, Gosforth, Jesmond, West
> Jesmond, or Gateshead?
Spital Tongues, actually!
Just up Claremont Rd from the Medical School. That's enough information
now. How do I know you aren't a Bottom Inspector?
Gareth M. Evans
>> More info please. Do you live in Fenham, Gosforth, Jesmond, West
>> Jesmond, or Gateshead?
John> Spital Tongues, actually!
John> Just up Claremont Rd from the Medical School. That's enough
John> information now. How do I know you aren't a Bottom Inspector?
I went out with a girl who lived up your way. Past the "Medic's pub" on
the left, first left at the pedestrian bridge over the urban psychoway,
and then along a bit.
Spittal Tongues makes you a bit of a sad "not quite a student, but a bit
of a webel".
My room used to look out over Jesmond Cricket ground and the
cemetry. Quiet neighbours. The house has probably fallen down by now.
Is the Broken Doll a car-park yet. They were threatening it from about
1986.
Regards and disclaimers
Gareth
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Melinda Pfeiffer
>If you're interested, I can do you some british stereotypes of american
>women...
[I think I'm going to regret this, but] Sure, go for it!
Melinda, who reserves the right to then turn right around and give American
stereotypes of British men, even if she has to make them up to sound really
horrible.
Melinda Pfeiffer
>> Looking at Sooz's post with a few choice words about engineers -
>> I realized that I know all the stereotypes the Americans have of
>> engineers but not what the British have...
>I share a flat with an engineer....he's very loud, very sure of himself,
>but he has a paranoid streak, like he knows deep down he's a geek. He
>can't take his beer and gets much louder and more paranoid after 2 pints.
>He works long hours in a job he says he hates, all because he's getting a
>lot of overtime, and he insists on telling me engineering stories when he
>comes home, even though I couldn't give a toss. He becomes the world
>authority on everything when we're watching telly. He likes rock music,
>and has posters in his room of busty women in underwear leaning on cars
>with slogans like "beauty and the beast". He never buys any new clothes -
>wears the same old grotty sweatshirt, and has very smelly feet. He looks
>like Neil Kinnock and sounds like Ade Edmonson. Apart from all that I
>suppose he's alright.
John,
Is this the guy you flame on alt.flame.roommate?
Melinda
(Some of us frequent other newsgropes--*tm--as well)
Sarah Louise Goddard
: >>>>> "Sarah" == Sarah Louise Goddard <sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu> writes:
: In article <3f1tqr$r...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu (Sarah Louise Goddard) writes:
Gareth asked if I was like the following stereotypes...so ...I know it
looks like I'm answering myself - but he really did ask.
: Sarah> In the U.S. Engineers are thought:
: 1. To love their HP calculator more than any human.
Not me, I can't figure out how to work an HP calculator. The many
formulas(etc) I must punch up, require that my Sharp graphing calc.
is with me at all times - but no particular attachment.
: 2. To be a little geeky, perhaps wearing a pocket protector and thick
: glasses.
: What's a pocket protector?
Pocket protector - little plastic thingy you put in your pocket so
you don't ruin your lovely shirts with leaking pens, etc. (sort-of
a pocket condom - but endlessly reusable).
Perfect 20/20 vision, and being a cute blonde girl - prevent me from
being labeled as above. Although I am old enough to be a woman, I
use the term "girl" here simply to describe my looks - sort-of 16ish.
Of course, anyone in the workplace calling me a "girl" will shortly
FEEL MY WRATH!!
: 3. To love writing on that green paper with the squares on the back.
I love that green paper with squares on the back!!!!
: 4. To be a white male.
Please see above - not a male. And I prefer alabaster to white.
: Sarah> Mostly we're called "gearheads" and "engin geeks"...
: Sarah, do you satisfy alll of the above categories? Then you get home,
: take off the NHS glasses and do a stunning transformation into (tick
: appropriate box)
No way!!! Worked to hard for the current respect. My parents still
can't believe I'm in engin school (just 10 more months!!). They
keep waiting to hear I gave up school to stay home and curl my
hair or something. Maybe I need to buy glasses??
- Sarah - actually in need of advice on how to look more
serious and tough.
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Civil and Environmental Engineering, University of Michigan
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Sooz
--Sooz, some of whose best friends are engineers. Honest.
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John Lovie
On 12 Jan 1995, Gareth M. Evans wrote:
>
> More info please. Do you live in Fenham, Gosforth, Jesmond, West
> Jesmond, or Gateshead?
>
Do you speak high West Jesmond? Say "Put the pussy on the cushion and
push it with your foot?"
I was told this by a Canadian friend with an adopted aunt in Ashington.
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
John Lovie
On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Melinda Pfeiffer wrote:
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950111...@cnj.digex.net> John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes:
>
> >If you're interested, I can do you some british stereotypes of american
> >women..
>
> [I think I'm going to regret this, but] Sure, go for it!
Goody!
>
> Melinda, who reserves the right to then turn right around and give American
> stereotypes of British men, even if she has to make them up to sound really
> horrible.
>
A man walking along the beach at Southend found a dead woman at the
edge of the water. He ran to notify the police, and then back to the
beach to guard the body. To his horror, as he approached he saw another
man having screwing the dead woman. He said "What do do think you're
doing, can't you see she's dead!" The second man replied "Terribly sorry
old chap, thought she was american!"
John
Pulling on his armour plated shorts....
Sarah Louise Goddard
: On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Melinda Pfeiffer wrote:
: > In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950111...@cnj.digex.net> John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes:
: >
: > >If you're interested, I can do you some british stereotypes of american
: > >women..
: >
: > [I think I'm going to regret this, but] Sure, go for it!
: Goody!
: >
: > Melinda, who reserves the right to then turn right around and give American
: > stereotypes of British men, even if she has to make them up to sound really
: > horrible.
: >
Alright Melinda! You go girl!
: A man walking along the beach at Southend found a dead woman at the
: edge of the water. He ran to notify the police, and then back to the
: beach to guard the body. To his horror, as he approached he saw another
: man having screwing the dead woman. He said "What do do think you're
: doing, can't you see she's dead!" The second man replied "Terribly sorry
: old chap, thought she was american!"
This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
Anyone? Is this really the impression??
- Sarah
Gareth M. Evans
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950112...@cnj.digex.net> John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes:
John> On 12 Jan 1995, Gareth M. Evans wrote:
>> More info please. Do you live in Fenham, Gosforth, Jesmond, West
>> Jesmond, or Gateshead?
>>
John> Do you speak high West Jesmond? Say "Put the pussy on the cushion
John> and push it with your foot?"
I've already told Mel that the straps are soaked. I don't intend her to
be comfortable during punishment....
or did I miss something?
Gareth
PS: What's it s'posed to prove?
Gareth M. Evans
Sarah> John Lovie (jlo...@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : On Thu, 12 Jan 1995,
Sarah> Melinda Pfeiffer wrote:
Sarah> : > In article
Sarah> <Pine.SUN.3.91.950111...@cnj.digex.net> John
Sarah> Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes: : > : > >If you're
Sarah> interested, I can do you some british stereotypes of american : >
Sarah> >women.. : > : > [I think I'm going to regret this, but] Sure,
Sarah> go for it!
Sarah> : Goody! : > : > Melinda, who reserves the right to then turn
Sarah> right around and give American : > stereotypes of British men,
Sarah> even if she has to make them up to sound really : > horrible. :
Sarah> >
Sarah> Alright Melinda! You go girl!
Sarah> : A man walking along the beach at Southend found a dead woman at
Sarah> the : edge of the water. He ran to notify the police, and then
Sarah> back to the : beach to guard the body. To his horror, as he
Sarah> approached he saw another : man having screwing the dead
Sarah> woman. He said "What do do think you're : doing, can't you see
Sarah> she's dead!" The second man replied "Terribly sorry : old chap,
Sarah> thought she was american!"
Sarah> This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
Sarah> Anyone? Is this really the impression??
What is your opinion of American women's reputation abroad? I always get
the feeling it's one of "lacking a little worldliness". Oh, and an
understanding of irony and sarcasm helps.... Present company excepted,
d'accord
Gareth puts his foot in it with an American babe part 31:
A play in one (short act)
[Scene: Zaney's bar, Melbourne]
....
fade in to middle of conversation. Gareth needs beer. American girlie
being girlie. I'm playing nursemaid as my friend is at this very moment
"taking" her friend outside Captain Cook's cottage....
G: So where are you from?
Yank: Salt Lake City
G: Are you a mormon? [Come on...do you think I want to be playing
nursemaid? Ever tried talking to someone who's conversation is so
inspiring you would prefer gnawing off your right foot?]
Yank: Yes
G: Fancy a drink?
Oops.
Gareth
Who also got a three-hour hitch from the middle of nowhere with a
minibus full of American Mormons on a conversion trip to
Tasmania. That's another story
John Stevens
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: love to know the Brit equivalents. (Of course, if there are
: any American slurs I've missed - please let me know.)
When I was at University and looking for somewhere to live I answered an
ad' that was asking for a non-smoking, tee-total, pacifist vegan to share
a house. It turned out to be a couple of mechanical engineering students
looking for someone who wouldn't fight back.
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Gareth M. Evans
John> In article <3f1tqr$r...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>,
John> sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu (Sarah Louise Goddard) wrote:
>> Looking at Sooz's post with a few choice words about engineers - I
>> realized that I know all the stereotypes the Americans have of
>> engineers but not what the British have...
John> I share a flat with an engineer....he's very loud, very sure of
John> himself, but he has a paranoid streak, like he knows deep down
John> he's a geek. He can't take his beer and gets much louder and more
John> paranoid after 2 pints. He works long hours in a job he says he
John> hates, all because he's getting a lot of overtime, and he insists
John> on telling me engineering stories when he comes home, even though
John> I couldn't give a toss. He becomes the world authority on
John> everything when we're watching telly. He likes rock music, and has
John> posters in his room of busty women in underwear leaning on cars
John> with slogans like "beauty and the beast". He never buys any new
John> clothes - wears the same old grotty sweatshirt, and has very
John> smelly feet. He looks like Neil Kinnock and sounds like Ade
John> Edmonson. Apart from all that I suppose he's alright.
More info please. Do you live in Fenham, Gosforth, Jesmond, West
Jesmond, or Gateshead?
Gareth
Andrew Wong
> This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
> Anyone? Is this really the impression??
We were humbly told by our British exchange supervisors that American wymyn
would find our accent fascinating :)
I found American females fit into three categories:
1. Blonde bimbo-esque sorority babe who looks absolutely gorgeous, wanders
around in shorts all the time, flirts with everyone and makes your life a
total misery. This is because she has all the brains of a US Senator. And
she'll only f**k those who drive Porsches or are rich.
2. The intellectual kind. This invariably revolves around a brunette who
is still strikingly beautiful but has a very low degree of self-confidence.
Many conversations will start around 1am whereby you just listen as she
rants and raves about how awful life is.
3. The weird kind. These are the so-called individuals who find solace
in college radio, and if you make a slightly ironic comment they will
immediately excise you from their list of friends and acquaintances...
As for the bedability factor, a fellow British exchange student (who went
for the grunge look and was therefore much better at it than the Americans)
managed to get a different girl in his room every night. I know, I was his
room-mate... *sigh*
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Life is what you make it - unfortunately.....
Martin Ackroyd
: In the U.S. Engineers are thought:
: 1. To love their HP calculator more than any human.
Huh? Anything wrong with that?
Once you have developed a deeply meaningful relationship with
your 15C, you will find that something has entered your life
without which everything would become meaningless, barren and empty.
It's amazing to me how some people will seek to deny the validity
of a tender and loving relationship just because it doesn't fit into some
bourgois preconception of what is "normal".
It is too bad that there are still people around who only admit the validity
of a "conventional" emotional relationship such as a love affair with
a TI or Casio calculator.
--
Martin 'Serious guy hiding inside all that surrealism' Ackroyd [(C) A Wong 1995]
Paul Bamborough
>John Lovie (jlo...@cnj.digex.net) wrote:
>: A man walking along the beach at Southend found a dead woman at the
>: edge of the water. He ran to notify the police, and then back to the
>: beach to guard the body. To his horror, as he approached he saw another
>: man having screwing the dead woman. He said "What do do think you're
>: doing, can't you see she's dead!" The second man replied "Terribly sorry
>: old chap, thought she was american!"
>This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
>Anyone? Is this really the impression??
Oh, no, don't worry, nobody really thinks that. What we really think is
much worse. In fact everyone knows there are 2 types of American women:
1) Someone who could only be mistaken for dead at several miles distance
because that's how far her voice carries, even when carrying on a normal
conversation, and
2) (ahem) Tottie. Mainly a northern word, roughly translates as
'bimbo'. (A friend of mine once met a German who introduced himself by
saying 'Just call me Tottie' and she didn't have the heart to tell him.)
Both types, of course, see their analyst once a week.
As a new poster to this group I'd better add hastily that of course
none of this applies to engineers, who have stereotypes all of their
own. Female British engineers don't need stereotypes - I've met her,
and she's a very nice girl. Which reminds me of something I wanted
to ask - when is it OK to use the word 'girl' in America? In Britain
it means something subtly different, and is used for women under
say 25 (and over 60).
- Paul
Steve Austin
> and thick glasses.
Excuse me, but what is a "pocket protector"? Does it stop people who've
just been told to bugger off from sticking their willy up your bottom?
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|--Sooz, some of whose best friends are engineers. Honest.
Actually, we prefer 'employed'. Unlike some of our fellow graduates. :)
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Lorrill Buyens
GMT pa...@heffalump.ucsf.edu said...
>Oh, no, don't worry, nobody really thinks that. What we really think is
>much worse. In fact everyone knows there are 2 types of American women:
>
>1) Someone who could only be mistaken for dead at several miles distance
>because that's how far her voice carries, even when carrying on a normal
>conversation, and
I DO have a rather loud voice - but that's my enthusiasm for life
showing, don't you know...
>and she's a very nice girl. Which reminds me of something I wanted
>to ask - when is it OK to use the word 'girl' in America? In Britain
>it means something subtly different, and is used for women under
>say 25 (and over 60).
"Girl" is OK to use for young women up to the age of 21 or 22, although
some people stop using it around age 17 or so. Older women (30's on up)
sometimes refer to each other as "girls" (as in "a night out with the
girls"), but if a MAN calls a woman over 25 or so a "girl" (generally
speaking, of course), it's usually considered to be condescending at
best, and a sort of mild sexism at worst.
"Doctor Fraud"
Mad Inventor and Purveyor of Pseudopsychology
John Lovie
On 13 Jan 1995, Gareth M. Evans wrote:
{snip]
> John> Do you speak high West Jesmond? Say "Put the pussy on the cushion
> John> and push it with your foot?"
>
> I've already told Mel that the straps are soaked. I don't intend her to
> be comfortable during punishment....
>
> or did I miss something?
>
Apparently posh natives of West Jesmond are reputed to speak in an
affected accent in which the u sound in push, pussy, cushion, etc. is
pronounced the same way as the u in cut, when spoken by a southerner.
Obviously I was misinformed.
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
John Lovie
On 13 Jan 1995, Gareth M. Evans wrote:
[snip original dare, sordid beach story, Sarah's horrified reply]
>
> Gareth puts his foot in it with an American babe part 31:
> A play in one (short act)
> [Scene: Zaney's bar, Melbourne]
> ....
> fade in to middle of conversation. Gareth needs beer. American girlie
> being girlie. I'm playing nursemaid as my friend is at this very moment
> "taking" her friend outside Captain Cook's cottage....
> G: So where are you from?
> Yank: Salt Lake City
> G: Are you a mormon? [Come on...do you think I want to be playing
> nursemaid? Ever tried talking to someone who's conversation is so
> inspiring you would prefer gnawing off your right foot?]
> Yank: Yes
> G: Fancy a drink?
> Oops
A met a mormon q while back.
J:"Are you the guys who can have more than one wife?"
Mormon:"That's right"
J:"You should be bloody well hung!"
Mormon:"We are!"
Sorry, Anna, another escapee from the old jokes home.
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
Gareth M. Evans
John> On 13 Jan 1995, Gareth M. Evans wrote:
John> {snip] Do you speak high West Jesmond? Say "Put the pussy on the
John> cushion and push it with your foot?"
>> I've already told Mel that the straps are soaked. I don't intend her
>> to be comfortable during punishment....
>>
>> or did I miss something?
>>
John> Apparently posh natives of West Jesmond are reputed to speak in an
John> affected accent in which the u sound in push, pussy, cushion,
John> etc. is pronounced the same way as the u in cut, when spoken by a
John> southerner. Obviously I was misinformed.
You may be right....I'm from Sheffield, and so don't know anything about
being posh! I avoided W Jesmond, 'cos there were only a couple of pubs,
and they were poor.
Plus, you could walk to the Cooperage in 25 mins, and Acorn Road in 10,
why bother with Acorn Road (apart from the Chinese. Marvellous chips and
gravy/curry sauce)
Speaking of which, on Saturday night in Cambridge (King's Street) I was
laughed out of the chippy for ordering chips and gravy. Do these people
have no soul?
Gareth
go on then... just the one disclaimer
Sooz
>Sarah Louise Goddard <sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>>This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
>>Anyone? Is this really the impression??
>Predatory and unprincipled - at home and overseas.
Yup. Sounds like me and all my female friends.
FWIW - I always thought that we had the reputation of being somewhat lax
in the area of sexual morals. Certainly the tone of posts here by American
females has done much to dispel that myth, eh?
--Sooz, proud to be a Battle Axe
Sooz
>In article <mahinda....@isum2.iastate.edu>
> mah...@iastate.edu "Sooz" writes:
>> --Sooz, wishing someone would pay her to travel around the world drinking
>> beer.
>Become a stewardess.
*Sigh* I think I'm probably too old and too fat for that now. (Not that
I'm fat - just that from what I've heard, American airlines tend to want
stick insects and I'm afraid my stick insect days are a thing of the past.)
--Sooz, who'd like to walk down to the Crown tonight for a Pernod and Coke,
but thinks the swim might be more than she can handle
FOSTER R J
STUDENTS??
PLEASE MAIL ME ANY IDEAS - NUMBER IS COMING UP....
BY THE WAY, IF YOU LOOK UP 'BORING' IN THE YELLOW PAGES IN THE UK, IT
SAYS 'SEE CIVIL ENGINEERS'. I REST MY CASE!!
E-MAIL ADDRESS: dh...@city.ac.uk
Hope to hear from lots of you soon,
Regards,
Rich
Gareth M. Evans
In article <3fgo88$d...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> ccm...@eos.ncsu.edu (Claudia C Muia) writes:
Claudia> the only thing i have in common with you people is that i'm
Claudia> dating some guy from manchester. any stereotypes on the sexual
Claudia> prowess of english men? i can validate them if you
Claudia> wish...(although that could be very tedious).
Claudia> -cc
Does he wear a football strip in bed? Tried the gary shot?
Tom
Sarah Louise Goddard
: ARE THERE ANY STEREOTYPE ROLES OR APPEARANCES FOR JOURNALISTS OR
: STUDENTS??
Yeah - they're loud and self-important.
: BY THE WAY, IF YOU LOOK UP 'BORING' IN THE YELLOW PAGES IN THE UK, IT
: SAYS 'SEE CIVIL ENGINEERS'. I REST MY CASE!!
Another one to throw in the "old joke" bin.
- Sarah - learning to be 'civil'
Anna Warman
jlo...@cnj.digex.net "John Lovie" writes:
[snips bit about dead bodies and Sarah's curiosity about perception of US
women aboard]
> Next time I'll tell you a story about the last time my girlfriend
> (who's american, and my girlfriend of 5 years now)
So, if one of your girlfriend's is American, am I right in thinking the
other one of five years standing is the one that is part Polish?
__
Anna
How can he get wisdom...whose talk is of bullocks?
Ecclesiasticus ch.34, v.25
Anna Warman
dh...@city.ac.uk "FOSTER R J" writes:
> ARE THERE ANY STEREOTYPE ROLES OR APPEARANCES FOR JOURNALISTS OR
> STUDENTS??
> PLEASE MAIL ME ANY IDEAS - NUMBER IS COMING UP....
> BY THE WAY, IF YOU LOOK UP 'BORING' IN THE YELLOW PAGES IN THE UK, IT
> SAYS 'SEE CIVIL ENGINEERS'. I REST MY CASE!!
>
> E-MAIL ADDRESS: dh...@city.ac.uk
>
> Hope to hear from lots of you soon,
> Regards,
> Rich
Mr. Moderator, are there any rules in a.f.b-a pertaining to the overuse
of caps. If not, can we make one please? Also the use of more than one
exclamation mark at the end of a sentence ought to be banned.
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Steve Austin <st...@edensfld.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu (Sarah Louise Goddard) writes:
>>2. To be a little geeky, perhaps wearing a pocket protector
>> and thick glasses.
>
>Excuse me, but what is a "pocket protector"? Does it stop people who've
>just been told to bugger off from sticking their willy up your bottom?
No - it's so you can put pens, rulers, calculators, screwdrivers,
spanners and other items in your breast pocket without damaging it. It's
basically a plastic inner pocket.
What's all this talk about buggering all of a sudden? Honestly, I go
away for the weekend, come back, and this place has turned into alt.sex.
anal... Sheesh!
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John Lovie
On Sun, 15 Jan 1995, Lorrill Buyens wrote:
>
> >and she's a very nice girl. Which reminds me of something I wanted
> >to ask - when is it OK to use the word 'girl' in America? In Britain
> >it means something subtly different, and is used for women under
> >say 25 (and over 60).
>
> "Girl" is OK to use for young women up to the age of 21 or 22, although
> some people stop using it around age 17 or so. Older women (30's on up)
> sometimes refer to each other as "girls" (as in "a night out with the
> girls"), but if a MAN calls a woman over 25 or so a "girl" (generally
> speaking, of course), it's usually considered to be condescending at
> best, and a sort of mild sexism at worst.
>
>
In PC circles, calling a female over about 9 a girl is considered right
up there with calling a black person a nigger. Things do seem to have
started cooling down a bit, but conversations like those on afb-a are
impossible in, say, the workplace in the US.
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
John Lovie
On 16 Jan 1995, Sooz wrote:
> In <299928176...@psilink.com> "Chris Lines" <p01...@psilink.com> writes:
>
> >Sarah Louise Goddard <sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu> wrote:
>
> >>This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
> >>Anyone? Is this really the impression??
>
> >Predatory and unprincipled - at home and overseas.
>
> Yup. Sounds like me and all my female friends.
>
> FWIW - I always thought that we had the reputation of being somewhat lax
> in the area of sexual morals. Certainly the tone of posts here by American
> females has done much to dispel that myth, eh?
>
Never in dispute.
> --Sooz, proud to be a Battle Axe
> --
Sounds groovy!
John Lovie
On 16 Jan 1995, Sooz wrote:
> In <790183...@warman.demon.co.uk> AN...@warman.demon.co.uk (Anna Warman) writes:
>
> >In article <mahinda....@isum2.iastate.edu>
> > mah...@iastate.edu "Sooz" writes:
>
> >> --Sooz, wishing someone would pay her to travel around the world drinking
> >> beer.
>
> >Become a stewardess.
>
> *Sigh* I think I'm probably too old and too fat for that now. (Not that
> I'm fat - just that from what I've heard, American airlines tend to want
> stick insects and I'm afraid my stick insect days are a thing of the past.)
Try United. Or get the operation and become a steward. Or a pilot.
>
> --Sooz, who'd like to walk down to the Crown tonight for a Pernod and Coke,
> but thinks the swim might be more than she can handle
I'll go with you. How far is the crown from NJ?
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
John Lovie
On 17 Jan 1995, Claudia C Muia wrote:
>
> the only thing i have in common with you people is that i'm dating some guy
> from manchester. any stereotypes on the sexual prowess of english men? i can
> validate them if you wish...(although that could be very tedious).
>
I'm not dating anyone from Manchester, so we have nothing in common. I'd
love to hear your British men stereotypes. (Er...)
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
John Lovie
On 16 Jan 1995, Gareth M. Evans wrote:
[Snip West Jesmond stuff]
>
> You may be right....I'm from Sheffield, and so don't know anything about
> being posh! I avoided W Jesmond, 'cos there were only a couple of pubs,
> and they were poor.
My parents are from Rotherham (shhh....)
>
> Plus, you could walk to the Cooperage in 25 mins, and Acorn Road in 10,
> why bother with Acorn Road (apart from the Chinese. Marvellous chips and
> gravy/curry sauce)
>
> Speaking of which, on Saturday night in Cambridge (King's Street) I was
> laughed out of the chippy for ordering chips and gravy. Do these people
> have no soul?
>
For three years while a student at Manchester, I lived on steak pie,
chips, mushy peas and curry from Fong's chinese chip shop in East
Didsbury. That and chicken birianis from the Plaza on Upper Brooke Street.
Those were the days...
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
Claudia C Muia
>I'm not dating anyone from Manchester, so we have nothing in common. I'd
>love to hear your British men stereotypes. (Er...)
>
>Cheers
>John
>jlo...@cnj.digex.net
>
John-
In hope of being banned from this sick group, I will venture and say that
you British men are the pushiest and brattiest I've known...great combination,
a woman needs a good run for her money once in a while. American men can be
such bores (perhaps not as boring as American women, especially us engineers,
but (all)men will chase anything, so we really don't have much to worry about
in that sense).
Claudia.
ccm...@eos.ncsu.edu
a geeky mathematician who just put herself in even more debt to become
an even geekier computer engineer.
Gareth M. Evans
>> I'm not dating anyone from Manchester, so we have nothing in
>> common. I'd love to hear your British men stereotypes. (Er...)
>>
>> Cheers John jlo...@cnj.digex.net
>>
Claudia> John-
Claudia> In hope of being banned from this sick group, I will venture
Claudia> and say that you British men are the pushiest and brattiest
Claudia> I've known...great combination, a woman needs a good run for
Claudia> her money once in a while. American men can be such bores
Claudia> (perhaps not as boring as American women, especially us
Claudia> engineers, but (all)men will chase anything, so we really don't
Claudia> have much to worry about in that sense).
Claudia> Claudia. ccm...@eos.ncsu.edu a geeky mathematician who just
Claudia> put herself in even more debt to become an even geekier
Claudia> computer engineer.
Banned? Banned? Give the girl the highest accolade.
Charlie Ball
>from manchester. any stereotypes on the sexual prowess of english men? i can
>validate them if you wish...(although that could be very tedious).
I've lived in Manc, and I can attest that all Manc blokes are sexual
dynamos, etc etc etc etc.
Also, I dated a Manc girl, and I can affirm that they have no taste in
men whatsoever (she chucked me.)
>-cc
Where in Manc is he from? Just checking whether he's either a) posh
or b) of criminal bent
Charlie Ball : Institute of Mass Spectrometry, University of Warwick.
Claudia C Muia
In article <3fjo43$q...@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Charlie Ball) writes:
>
>I've lived in Manc, and I can attest that all Manc blokes are sexual
>dynamos, etc etc etc etc.
>
>Also, I dated a Manc girl, and I can affirm that they have no taste in
>men whatsoever (she chucked me.)
>
>>-cc
>
>Where in Manc is he from? Just checking whether he's either a) posh
> or b) of criminal bent
>
>Charlie Ball : Institute of Mass Spectrometry, University of Warwick.
>
>
He's from Stockport.
My guess is b), since he's always getting me into trouble.
Claudia
Karen Mercedes
sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu (Sarah Louise Goddard) writes:
> This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
> Anyone? Is this really the impression??
>
Not among the British men I know. They think we're all fire-breathing,
man-eating cowgirls from New Yawk who push to the front of the queue,
talk real loud, and chew gum with our mouths open.
Of course, I'm doing my best to prove them wrong, but you know how
uneducable a British male can be.
Karen Mercedes
+-----------------------------------+
| Why should I let the toad "work" |
| Squat on my life? |
| Can't I use my wit as a pitchfork |
| And drive the brute off? |
| -- Philip Larkin |
+-----------------------------------+
Karen Mercedes
g...@jupiter.dev.tadpole.co.uk (Gareth M. Evans) writes:
> I've already told Mel that the straps are soaked. I don't intend her to
> be comfortable during punishment....
Tsk tsk tsk, Gareth. There are special alt. newsgroups for folks with
your...um...proclivities, you know.
Karen Mercedes
g...@jupiter.dev.tadpole.co.uk (Gareth M. Evans) writes:
>
> Who also got a three-hour hitch from the middle of nowhere with a
> minibus full of American Mormons on a conversion trip to
> Tasmania. That's another story
What, and you *still* don't believe in a religion where the archangel
is called Moroni (sounds like an Italian ice-cream) and the founder got
his more interesting revelations from a big white worm?
Karen Mercedes
g...@jupiter.dev.tadpole.co.uk (Gareth M. Evans) writes:
> Speaking of which, on Saturday night in Cambridge (King's Street) I was
> laughed out of the chippy for ordering chips and gravy. Do these people
> have no soul?
What do you think they'd say to an American girlie ordering beans on
toast? With lots of HP Sauce, please. (Who ever said we 'merkins
don't have class?)
Karen Mercedes
John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes:
> > FWIW - I always thought that we had the reputation of being somewhat lax
> > in the area of sexual morals. Certainly the tone of posts here by American
> > females has done much to dispel that myth, eh?
> >
> Never in dispute.
We talk a great line, don't we John? And all for your benefit (lucky
boy). We know you can't possibly get this much excitement in real
life.
Sooz
Well, it's in Theddingworth, Leics. I'll let you do the math.
--Sooz, who hopes to sit on the "banks" of the "River" Welland again one day
Sarah Louise Goddard
: In article <3f4vrq$k...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
: sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu (Sarah Louise Goddard) writes:
: > This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
: > Anyone? Is this really the impression??
: >
: Not among the British men I know. They think we're all fire-breathing,
: man-eating cowgirls from New Yawk who push to the front of the queue,
: talk real loud, and chew gum with our mouths open.
: Of course, I'm doing my best to prove them wrong, but you know how
: uneducable a British male can be.
Obviously they're not paying attention Karen. Perhaps if you push them
around a little to get their attention, maybe throw a lariat around them,
and spit your gum on the sidewalk so they can hear you better when you
yell at them - maybe they'll understand a little better.
- Sarah
John Lovie
On 18 Jan 1995, Claudia C Muia wrote:
> >I'm not dating anyone from Manchester, so we have nothing in common. I'd
> >love to hear your British men stereotypes. (Er...)
> >
> >Cheers
> >John
> >jlo...@cnj.digex.net
> >
>
> John-
>
> In hope of being banned from this sick group, I will venture and say that
> you British men are the pushiest and brattiest I've known...great combination,
> a woman needs a good run for her money once in a while. American men can be
> such bores (perhaps not as boring as American women, especially us engineers,
> but (all)men will chase anything, so we really don't have much to worry about
> in that sense).
You'll have to try _much_ harder than that to get banned from here. Try
it! (Please....)
>
> Claudia.
> ccm...@eos.ncsu.edu
> a geeky mathematician who just put herself in even more debt to become
> an even geekier computer engineer.
Playing hard to get just won't work.
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
John Lovie
On 19 Jan 1995, Karen Mercedes wrote:
> In article <3f4vrq$k...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
> sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu (Sarah Louise Goddard) writes:
>
> > This is NOT the reputation I thought American women had overseas.
> > Anyone? Is this really the impression??
> >
> Not among the British men I know. They think we're all fire-breathing,
> man-eating cowgirls from New Yawk who push to the front of the queue,
> talk real loud, and chew gum with our mouths open.
Well you do!
>
> Of course, I'm doing my best to prove them wrong, but you know how
> uneducable a British male can be.
No we're not!
>
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
John Lovie
On 19 Jan 1995, Karen Mercedes wrote:
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950118...@cnj.digex.net>
> John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes:
>
>
> > > FWIW - I always thought that we had the reputation of being somewhat lax
> > > in the area of sexual morals. Certainly the tone of posts here by American
> > > females has done much to dispel that myth, eh?
> > >
> > Never in dispute.
>
> We talk a great line, don't we John? And all for your benefit (lucky
> boy). We know you can't possibly get this much excitement in real
> life.
>
Ah, but Karen, my girlfriend is american! Mildly seriosly, british men
and american women are imho, of the world's great natural combinations.
Right up there with beans on toast and HP sauce, or chips and gravy. Just
look at the chemistry almost every time you see this combo on the screen
- A Fish Called Wanda, Four Weddings and a Funeral...
Cheers
John
jlo...@cnj.digex.net
Colin McElroy
: >
: > Who also got a three-hour hitch from the middle of nowhere with a
: > minibus full of American Mormons on a conversion trip to
: > Tasmania. That's another story
: What, and you *still* don't believe in a religion where the archangel
: is called Moroni (sounds like an Italian ice-cream) and the founder got
: his more interesting revelations from a big white worm?
Not to start an argument (and I'm not a Mormon), but do you have any
problems with the Ark, the parting of the Red Sea, Garden of Eden,
people who lived for a thousand years, loaves/fishes/multitudes etc?
The Mormons just got a late start. I have a good deal of respect for
them for their organized, hard working approach to life. End of
sermon.
Colin
Gareth M. Evans
In article <3fjrru$e...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> ccm...@unity.ncsu.edu (Claudia C Muia) writes:
Claudia> In article <GME.95Ja...@jupiter.dev.tadpole.co.uk>,
Claudia> g...@jupiter.dev.tadpole.co.uk (Gareth M. Evans) writes: >
>>
>>
>>
>> Banned? Banned? Give the girl the highest accolade. Tom
Claudia> I'm blushing...
Claudia> Oh Tom (sing-song voice), what's the gary shot?
Taking it up the gary (rhyming slang for Gary Glitter)
>And what's the probability that I'll want to try it out? -Claudia
Having read the above, you tell me. Remember, however, that in the UK it
is illegal between consenting heterosexual people. How do they find out:
"Halt, this is the sod squad"?
C/o Mark Thomas
Charlie Ball
an...@warman.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <3fjo43$q...@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
> ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk "Charlie Ball" writes:
>
>> I've lived in Manc, and I can attest that all Manc blokes are sexual
>> dynamos
>
Well, a boy can get curious from time to time.
>> Where in Manc is he from? Just checking whether he's either
>> a) posh
>> or b) of criminal bent
> ^^^^
>
>Apparently, you'd be a good judge of this. That's OK Charlie, we're all
>pretty broad-minded around here.
Oh bother, I thought I'd get away with it. Yes, I cried when Larry Grayson
died. It's a fair cop, guv. So boys, fancy a snog?
>__
>Anna
>
>How can he get wisdom...whose talk is of bullocks?
>
> Ecclesiasticus ch.34, v.25
Charlie Ball : Institute of Mass Spectrometry, University of Warwick.
Charlie Ball
>>>-cc
>>
>>Where in Manc is he from? Just checking whether he's either a) posh
>> or b) of criminal bent
>>
>He's from Stockport.
That's not Manchester! Fibbing swine! It's got a nice bus station, and that's
about it. He's probably quite normal, then.
>My guess is b), since he's always getting me into trouble.
You ought to take precautions about that, then.
>Claudia
Martin Ackroyd
: > ARE THERE ANY STEREOTYPE ROLES OR APPEARANCES FOR JOURNALISTS OR
: > STUDENTS??
: > PLEASE MAIL ME ANY IDEAS - NUMBER IS COMING UP....
: Mr. Moderator, are there any rules in a.f.b-a pertaining to the overuse
: of caps. If not, can we make one please? Also the use of more than one
: exclamation mark at the end of a sentence ought to be banned.
YES THE OVERUSE OF CAPITALS IS DISTGUSTING AND IS ABSOUTELY PROHIBITD
IN AFBA. EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE OVER USE OF LOWER CASE.
PLEASE SEE DR AFBA'S COMMENT UNDER THE POSTING "attn brits".
THANK YOU.
AFBA MODERATOR
--
Martin A | "Rigorous argument from inapplicable
| assumptions produces the world's most
mar...@ghoul.bri.hp.com | durable nonsense"
Lorrill Buyens
1995 13:54:09 +0000 dh...@city.ac.uk said...
>
>ARE THERE ANY STEREOTYPE ROLES OR APPEARANCES FOR JOURNALISTS OR
>STUDENTS??
Journalists: Always smoking cigarettes; w/scruffy clothes; a pencil
behind their ear.
"Doctor Fraud"
Mad Inventor and Purveyor of Pseudopsychology
Lorrill Buyens
+0000 AN...@warman.demon.co.uk said...
>> a) posh
>> or b) of criminal bent
>
>Apparently, you'd be a good judge of this. That's OK Charlie, we're all
>pretty broad-minded around here.
I happen to be a pretty broad-minded broad myself...
John Lovie
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950116...@cnj.digex.net>
> jlo...@cnj.digex.net "John Lovie" writes:
>
> > A met a mormon q while back.
> > J:"Are you the guys who can have more than one wife?"
> > Mormon:"That's right"
> > J:"You should be bloody well hung!"
> > Mormon:"We are!"
>
> <groan>
>
> > Sorry, Anna, another escapee from the old jokes home.
>
> You let that happen again again, and *you* can put a gymslip on and I'll get
> Gareth to whip you at dawn (just after he's done me - I'm first in the
> queue).
> |
> |
> (to any Americans who don't know, this means a line)
>
> __
> ANNA
It would be worth it just to be behind you as you're being done.
John
Damn, fell off my chair again...
Chris Lines
>Ah, but Karen, my girlfriend is american! Mildly seriosly, british men
>and american women are imho, of the world's great natural combinations.
Seems to work, but I've no idea why. American women are raised to have
high expectations and demand that they are fulfilled (the expectations,
that is - and the women, come to think if it). British men, it seems
to me, instinctively resist this sort of pressure. Should be a
disaster.
Chris
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One of Britain's youth and exuberance
most invisible exports * Who cares who wins?
Austin-on-the-Colorado * No problem is too small to walk away from
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Chris Lines
>[venomous outburst excision] I'd have
>to agree that there is some sort of chemistry between American women and
>British men. (I think it's got to do with this punishment thing you
>Britmales seem to have.)
Goes back to being beaten at school - I recognise the benefit of the
seventeen detentions and three canings I got in my first year at prep
school.
Gareth M. Evans
In article <790759...@warman.demon.co.uk> AN...@warman.demon.co.uk (Anna Warman) writes:
Anna> In article
Anna> <Pine.SUN.3.91.950118...@cnj.digex.net>
Anna> jlo...@cnj.digex.net "John Lovie" writes:
>> In PC circles, calling a female over about 9 a girl is considered
>> right up there with calling a black person a nigger. Things do seem
>> to have started cooling down a bit, but conversations like those on
>> afb-a are impossible in, say, the workplace in the US.
Anna> So how on earth do you refer to a female of say 12 - she's hardly
Anna> a woman.
The easy ones first, huh. Jailbait.
There's something very false about PC. THere's only one way round it. If
someone swings PC at you, take the piss out of how silly and false they
sound!
Tom
Fighting for the right to say "fuck" at my desk
Karen Mercedes
mel...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu (Melinda Pfeiffer) writes:
> P.S. Anyone wishing to comment on the general state of the union of British
> and Americans is very welcome to!
I've always got on well with Englishmen. I think it's because I don't
try to "understand" them (which seems to be what Americans are big on
doing with
each other). Instead I just get them laughing, and flatter them a lot
and make them blush. They seem to like that. They always buy me
drinks and ask for my telephone number (at the very least).
Karen Mercedes
*** Lord Lucan, where are you now? ***
Anna Warman
mah...@iastate.edu "Sooz" writes:
> Wouldn't you be venomous if someone suggested, oh, Noel Edmonds as an
> example of British manhood?
Unfortunately, like it or not, he is an example of British manhood.
Fortunately, a very *small* example.
[snips bit about chemistry between American women and masochistic British
men (although I think Noel Edmunds is more a sadist to inflict what he does
upon British TV viewers IMHO)]
[snips bit where Chris Lines admits to being less than a model pupil, judging
by the amount of detention and canings he got]
> And this, no doubt, is how you became the warped, sadistic soul you are.
Is this description of you accurate, Chris? Tell me more about yourself...
> --Sooz, who'd rather be likened to Grace Kelley.
I thought you were 'raven-haired', Sooz. Wouldn't Liz Taylor be more
accurate?
__
ANNA
How can he get wisdom...whose talk is of bullocks?
Ecclesiasticus ch.38, v.25
John Lovie
On Sun, 22 Jan 1995, Chris Lines wrote:
> John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> wrote:
>
> >Ah, but Karen, my girlfriend is american! Mildly seriosly, british men
> >and american women are imho, of the world's great natural combinations.
>
> Seems to work, but I've no idea why. American women are raised to have
> high expectations and demand that they are fulfilled (the expectations,
> that is - and the women, come to think if it). British men, it seems
> to me, instinctively resist this sort of pressure. Should be a
> disaster.
The fact that we resist is exactly why it works!
Cheers
John
John Lovie
On Sun, 22 Jan 1995, Chris Lines wrote:
> Sooz <mah...@iastate.edu> wrote:
>
> >[venomous outburst excision] I'd have
> >to agree that there is some sort of chemistry between American women and
> >British men. (I think it's got to do with this punishment thing you
> >Britmales seem to have.)
>
> Goes back to being beaten at school - I recognise the benefit of the
> seventeen detentions and three canings I got in my first year at prep
> school.
>
Yeah, what he said! Chris is right. I didn't count the detentions, but I
made 4 canings.
Cheers
John
John Lovie
On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, Melinda Pfeiffer wrote:
> In article <299988989...@psilink.com> "Chris Lines" <p01...@psilink.com> writes:
>
>
> >John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> wrote:
>
> >>Ah, but Karen, my girlfriend is american! Mildly seriosly, british men
> >>and american women are imho, of the world's great natural combinations.
>
> >Seems to work, but I've no idea why. American women are raised to have
> >high expectations and demand that they are fulfilled (the expectations,
> >that is - and the women, come to think if it). British men, it seems
> >to me, instinctively resist this sort of pressure. Should be a
> >disaster.
>
> >Chris
>
>
> Ah! A posting I can truly appreciate....
>
> For I, too, am an American woman who happens to be involved with a British
> man. My very first posting to afba, about a year ago or a little more,
> involved this very topic. I recall asking if anyone else out there
> experienced "culture gaps" when dating someone from the other side of the
> Atlantic. I also recall that I didn't get much of a (or any) response.
>
> So let me give you my opinion. I think that Chris is right, but that still
> doesn't explain how we ever get along. The main problem that I've seen is
> that British men (and maybe women, too; it just so happens that I'm dating a
> man, so that is all I am qualified to comment on) have different expectations
> of what constitutes a "relationship." For instance, when I'm at a party,
> let's say, I kind of want my s.o. (who is Scottish, btw, and named Johnny
> McHaggis--just kidding!) to hang around me at least some. But he says that
> over in Britain, couples usually split off when they are out, and concentrate
> on socializing with others. Is this true? Other Brits have told me that is
> basically true.
I would say this is basically true. After all, we're all on this thing to
socalize, and we're none of us here a couple (not for want of trying).
When I'm at a party the _last_ thing I want is my s.o. hanging around me!
> EEEEKKKK!!! I have gotten too serious for the likes of afba. I'll stop now.
Yes. Lighten up for chrissakes. Tell us what you found under his kilt...
> Mel
>
> P.S. Anyone wishing to comment on the general state of the union of British
> and Americans is very welcome to!
Only this. Whatever the politicians and the papers say about the end of
the "special relationship", it's still as strong as ever. This group is
proof.
Cheers
John
Matthew Huntbach
: Sooz <mah...@iastate.edu> wrote:
: >[venomous outburst excision] I'd have
: >to agree that there is some sort of chemistry between American women and
: >British men. (I think it's got to do with this punishment thing you
: >Britmales seem to have.)
: Goes back to being beaten at school - I recognise the benefit of the
: seventeen detentions and three canings I got in my first year at prep
: school.
I was never caned, but then I went to a comprehensive school. Most
Brits go to comprehensive schools, not to posh prep schools.
Matthew Huntbach
Gareth M. Evans
In article <melinda.18...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu> mel...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu (Melinda Pfeiffer) writes:
Mel> P.S. Anyone wishing to comment on the general state of the union
Mel> of British and Americans is very welcome to!
I've never had union with an American. Bah.
Tom
Sooz
Ah, but I said I'd _rather_ be likened to Grace Kelley. I didn't say that
such would be accurate. Besides, Liz is British.
--Sooz, who's probably more of a cross between Roseanne Arnold and Sally
Field
Martin G Bridges
Mercedes) wrote:
>I've always got on well with Englishmen. I think it's because I don't
>try to "understand" them (which seems to be what Americans are big on
>doing with
>each other). Instead I just get them laughing, and flatter them a lot
>and make them blush. They seem to like that. They always buy me
>drinks and ask for my telephone number (at the very least).
>
>Karen Mercedes
>
Hmmm, what do they say - "Flattery will get you everywhere??". I suspect
this is because of our national insecurity complex. Deep down we all think
we're wonderful but expect that everyone else thinks we're crap. When
someone (especially of the female persuasion) tells us we ARE wonderful,
we melt completely.
pathetic aren't we?
Martin
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Andrew Wong
> For I, too, am an American woman who happens to be involved with a British
> man. My very first posting to afba, about a year ago or a little more,
> involved this very topic. I recall asking if anyone else out there
> experienced "culture gaps" when dating someone from the other side of the
> Atlantic. I also recall that I didn't get much of a (or any) response.
> So let me give you my opinion. I think that Chris is right, but that still
> doesn't explain how we ever get along. The main problem that I've seen is
> that British men (and maybe women, too; it just so happens that I'm dating a
> man, so that is all I am qualified to comment on) have different expectations
> of what constitutes a "relationship." For instance, when I'm at a party,
> let's say, I kind of want my s.o. (who is Scottish, btw, and named Johnny
> McHaggis--just kidding!) to hang around me at least some. But he says that
> over in Britain, couples usually split off when they are out, and concentrate
> on socializing with others. Is this true? Other Brits have told me that is
> basically true.
Hmmmm... there could be the element that AFAIK, British men tend to give
American women a little more freedom than their American counterparts, but
not that much more. I vaguely remember that my American friends used to
disappear every time they found themselves a girlfriend.
Of course on the British side there is also the accent factor, the genetic
belief that all Brits are superior <smilie would be here if it weren't
banned> and the so-called charm.
On the American side, there's their willingness to do anything, the amount
of money and generosity they have, the Green Card, the sheer change of
being with a woman who's "in touch with her feminine side"... Or on the
other hand they're bloody desperate.
Never mind, I'll be over there soon... (Psst, can someone lend me 200 quid?)
--
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Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
: In article <melinda.18...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu>
: mel...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu (Melinda Pfeiffer) writes:
: Karen Mercedes
Do you have a sister?
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it to a file!
Gareth M. Evans
In article <1995Jan25.1...@bradford.ac.uk> C.G.R...@bradford.ac.uk (Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats) writes:
Vibrating> Karen Mercedes (merc...@access.digex.net) wrote: : In
Vibrating> article <melinda.18...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu> :
Vibrating> mel...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu (Melinda Pfeiffer) writes:
[Kazzah being suggestive snipped. WHy? I dunno. Can't let all the boys
start getting hot under our collars, can we. Anyway, her number's easy:
0898-karen-coupe. ]
Vibrating> : Karen Mercedes
Vibrating> Do you have a sister?
Is Our Karen (or OK: tell that to a.f.u) not woman enough for you that
you need 2 of her? Isn't that a bit of a biological difficulty?
Gareth M. Evans
In article <3g63qf$a...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> sgod...@news-server.engin.umich.edu (Sarah Louise Goddard) writes:
Sarah> Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats (C.G.R...@bradford.ac.uk) wrote: :
Sarah> Karen Mercedes (merc...@access.digex.net) wrote:
Sarah> : : I've always got on well with Englishmen. I think it's
Sarah> because I don't : : try to "understand" them (which seems to be
Sarah> what Americans are big on : : doing with : : each other).
Sarah> Instead I just get them laughing, and flatter them a lot : : and
Sarah> make them blush. They seem to like that. They always buy me : :
Sarah> drinks and ask for my telephone number (at the very least).
Sarah> : Do you have a sister?
Sarah> Actually, American women are not the only guilty parties here.
Sarah> Personally, I'd rather kiss and make up - and see if I'm still
Sarah> mad in the morning - if we have to talk about something then,
Sarah> fine...but I used to date this guy who insisted on "never going
Sarah> to bed angry" - which (unfortunately) did not mean ignoring the
Sarah> problem and just going to bed (smiley would be here) - it meant ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Punishment demanded. Saying such things is tantamount to using them. I
will show no mercy.
Sarah> talking it out for hours and hours... ugh... reason for him being
Sarah> former boyfriend.
I thought this was a non-sequitur until I realised the "sister" line
should have been deleted!
However, Sarah gets the award for bringing afba back from the brink of
marmite and balti's back to life.
Bah.
Sarah> I've noticed the blushing thing too - is this because of the
Sarah> lovely British alabaster skin?? Or because British men are so
Sarah> modest? (It's sweet whyever)
We're all bastard pasty? Is that what you're saying?
Sarah Louise Goddard
: Sarah> fine...but I used to date this guy who insisted on "never going
: Sarah> to bed angry" - which (unfortunately) did not mean ignoring the
: Sarah> problem and just going to bed (smiley would be here) - it meant ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Punishment demanded. Saying such things is tantamount to using them. I
: will show no mercy.
Tough. I'll do what I want...argh!! stay away from me with that
masking tape, string, and refrigerator - all you chemists!!
: Sarah> talking it out for hours and hours... ugh... reason for him being
: Sarah> former boyfriend.
: However, Sarah gets the award for bringing afba back from the brink of
: marmite and balti's back to life.
Will have to find out what marmite is when I get to Britain this
summer... from this group I have learned it is brown, and can be
used as a sandwich spread, to save airplanes, and as a sexual aide -
I thought duct tape was the only thing this versatile.
: Sarah> I've noticed the blushing thing too - is this because of the
: Sarah> lovely British alabaster skin?? Or because British men are so
: Sarah> modest? (It's sweet whyever)
: We're all bastard pasty? Is that what you're saying?
Well, yes. All the easier to find you glowing in the dark my darling.
- Sarah - and I don't know what balti is either...completely ignorant
- they don't teach anything worthwhile on the street corner
anymore
--
_____________________________________________________________________
Sarah Goddard, sgod...@engin.umich.edu
Civil and Environmental Engineering, University of Michigan
_____________________________________________________________________
Karen Mercedes
John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes:
>
>
> On 19 Jan 1995, Sarah Louise Goddard wrote:
>
> > Karen Mercedes (merc...@access.digex.net) wrote:
> > : In article <3f4vrq$k...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
> > : Of course, I'm doing my best to prove them wrong, but you know how
> > : uneducable a British male can be.
> >
> > Obviously they're not paying attention Karen. Perhaps if you push them
> > around a little to get their attention, maybe throw a lariat around them,
> > and spit your gum on the sidewalk so they can hear you better when you
> > yell at them - maybe they'll understand a little better.
No, I think I'm going to have to resort to the tried-and-true method of
educating the British male: caning. (Don't get excited, John. On
second thought, I know you can't help it.)
Karen Mercedes
brid...@logica.co.uk (Martin G Bridges) writes:
> Hmmm, what do they say - "Flattery will get you everywhere??". I suspect
> this is because of our national insecurity complex. Deep down we all think
> we're wonderful but expect that everyone else thinks we're crap. When
> someone (especially of the female persuasion) tells us we ARE wonderful,
> we melt completely.
You mean you AREN'T all wonderful? (Oh, dear. I'm going to have to
think about this.)
Karen Mercedes
g...@jupiter.dev.tadpole.co.uk (Gareth M. Evans) writes:
> >>>>> "Mel" == Melinda Pfeiffer <mel...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu> writes:
> In article <melinda.18...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu> mel...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu (Melinda Pfeiffer) writes:
>
>
> Mel> P.S. Anyone wishing to comment on the general state of the union
> Mel> of British and Americans is very welcome to!
>
> I've never had union with an American. Bah.
There's a remedy to every situation, my friend.
John Lovie
On 28 Jan 1995, Karen Mercedes wrote:
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950127...@cnj.digex.net>
> John Lovie <jlo...@cnj.digex.net> writes:
> >
> > On 25 Jan 1995, Sarah Louise Goddard wrote:
> >
> > > I've noticed the blushing thing too - is this because of the lovely
> > > British alabaster skin?? Or because British men are so modest?
> > > (It's sweet whyever)
> > >
> > > - Sarah
> >
> > Nothing so complex, Sarah. It's because we're hoping you won't notice the
> > raging hard-on we get from just talking to an american woman.
> >
> > Cheers
> > John
>
> *I* notice.
>
> Karen Mercedes
>
Wow! Internet security is worse than I thought!
Cheers
John
John Lovie
On Sat, 28 Jan 1995, Anna Warman wrote:
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950126...@cnj.digex.net>
> jlo...@cnj.digex.net "John Lovie" writes:
>
> [snips men, lariats and caning]
>
> > Anna, any chance of a cheap flight to Singapore? I want to vandalize a car.
>
> I got a friend of mine a BA ticket to Hong Kong recently for UKP199 return.
>
Dang, if only I was a friend of yours.
Cheers
John
John Lovie
On Fri, 27 Jan 1995, Melinda Pfeiffer wrote:
> In article <1995Jan26....@edensfld.demon.co.uk> st...@edensfld.demon.co.uk (Steve Austin) writes:
>
> >mel...@ncsuwqg.wq.ncsu.edu (Melinda Pfeiffer) writes:
> >>But he says that
> >>over in Britain, couples usually split off when they are out, and concentrate
> >>on socializing with others. Is this true? Other Brits have told me that is
> >>basically true.
>
> >I think it depends on the people. You'll come under a lot of peer pressure
> >if you go to a party and stay tightly wrapped around each other, though:
> >almost everybody in the UK dislikes having to watch two people going
> >disgustingly slobbery over each other!
>
> >--
> >Steve Austin
>
>
> Since we've been dating for almost seven years, going "slobbery" over each
^^^^^^^^^^^ itch, itch?
> other doesn't happen all that often--in *public*, that is!
Cheers
John
Anna Warman
jlo...@cnj.digex.net "John Lovie" writes:
> On 25 Jan 1995, Sarah Louise Goddard wrote:
>
> > I've noticed the blushing thing too - is this because of the lovely
> > British alabaster skin?? Or because British men are so modest?
> > (It's sweet whyever)
> >
> > - Sarah
>
> Nothing so complex, Sarah. It's because we're hoping you won't notice the
> raging hard-on we get from just talking to an american woman.
>
> Cheers
> John
> who stopped talking and started sending e-mail instead
Egad! Are you trying to tell us that you get a hard-on while you're
sending e-mail?
Details, please.
__
ANNA
Sig's on a fortnight's holiday
Chris Lines
>
>"Chris Lines" <p01...@psilink.com> writes:
>>Goes back to being beaten at school - I recognise the benefit of the
>>seventeen detentions and three canings I got in my first year at prep
>>school.
>
I've had to think long and hard about this, and consult a few well-trusted
friends as well. The general view seems to be that you are right as regards
warped and sadistic, but that I have no soul. I found the whole exercise
a very flattering experience. Thank you for helping me refine my self-image
so effectively; if I can return the favour, please do not hesitate to let me
know.
Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
: >
: > Mel> P.S. Anyone wishing to comment on the general state of the union
: > Mel> of British and Americans is very welcome to!
: >
: > I've never had union with an American. Bah.
: There's a remedy to every situation, my friend.
: Karen Mercedes
Someone throw a bucket of water over her.
Chris Lines
>Will have to find out what marmite is when I get to Britain this
>summer... from this group I have learned it is brown, and can be
>used as a sandwich spread, to save airplanes, and as a sexual aide
What you cannot do with it is produce a Brit-style peanut butter and
jelly sandwich (if you ever wanted to for some perverted reason). This
became clear yesterday when Texas woman, in a vain attempt to get on my
better side, spread Marmite and marmalade on the same piece of toast.
I was too hung over to spot it until the first bite. Yee-yuk!
Chris
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One of Britain's youth and exuberance
most invisible exports * Who cares who wins?
Somewhere over New Mexico * No problem is too small to walk away from
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Peter Cockerell
: Anna> don't guarantee that you'll arrive in one piece (or at all).
Does any airline? I've never thought of this before. Is there something in
the smallprint on a ticket that says "If you die while flying with us,
we'll refund your fare in full"? I guess over here, it's all settled in
the courts by lawyer-sharks (anyone see "Fearless"?). Do British airlines
end up paying large compensation settlements to grief-stricken relatives
when a plane crashes in Britain? The last one I can remember is the
Birmingam/Motorway one, just after Lockerbie. What's BA's policy on this,
Anna? (Before I book my ticket for March...)
Cheers,
Pete, the nervous flier (yeah, right)
Anna Warman
"Advice to international passengers on limitation of liability:
Passengers on a journey involving an ultimate destination or a stop in
a country other than the country of origin are advised that the provisions
of a treaty known as the Warsaw Convention may be applicable to the entire
journey, including any portion entirely within the country of origin or
destination. For such passengers on a journey to, from or with an agreed
stopping place in the United States of America, the Convention and special
contracts of carriage embodied in applicable tarrifs provide that the
liability of British Airways and certain other carriers parties to such
special contracts, for death of or personal injury to passengers is limited
in most cases to proven damages not to exceed US$75,000 per passenger, and
that this liability up to such limit shall not depend on negligence on the
part of the carrier. For such passengers travelling by a carrier not a
party to such special contracts or on a jounrey not to, from, or having an
agreed stopping place in the United States of America, liability of the
carrier for death or personal injury to passengers is limited in most cases
to approximately US$10,000 or US$20,000."
In other words, from the relatives' point-of-view, if you're going to
crash, do it on a flight to/from/in the States if you want to get a decent
bundle of cash compensation.
> Pete, the nervous flier (yeah, right)
Aw, Pete. If you'd ever been on one of my flights, I would have held
your hand for take-off and landing.
Peter Cockerell
: [Phenomenal amount of legalese omitted - nice typing, Anna...]
: In other words, from the relatives' point-of-view, if you're going to
: crash, do it on a flight to/from/in the States if you want to get a decent
: bundle of cash compensation.
Cool, but $75K still seems a bit low for a man whose work is of vital
importance to humanity. I mean, I reckon my productivity would almost be
halved if I was dead.
: > Pete, the nervous flier (yeah, right)
:
: Aw, Pete. If you'd ever been on one of my flights, I would have held
: your hand for take-off and landing.
And would you sit on my lap during periods of heavy turbulence?
Pete, thinking "A man can dream..."
Mike Banahan
> the smallprint on a ticket that says "If you die while flying with us,
> we'll refund your fare in full"? I guess over here, it's all settled in
> the courts by lawyer-sharks (anyone see "Fearless"?). Do British airlines
> end up paying large compensation settlements to grief-stricken relatives
> when a plane crashes in Britain? The last one I can remember is the
> Birmingam/Motorway one, just after Lockerbie. What's BA's policy on this,
> Anna? (Before I book my ticket for March...)
A good friend and colleague of mine was on the British Midland flight that
crashed on the M1. He was on his way to teach a course in Belfast. The
customer rang up to complain that he hadn't arrived, so we tried to explain.
The response was "As far as I'm concerned it's your fault and we want
compensation for our staffs' wasted time".
Nice people in Belfast.
Mike
--
Mike Banahan
You have a choice: you can spend your life drinking, gambling and fornicating -
or you can waste it.
Mike Banahan
> : Aw, Pete. If you'd ever been on one of my flights, I would have held
> : your hand for take-off and landing.
>
> And would you sit on my lap during periods of heavy turbulence?
^^^
Pete, that should read "face".
Melinda Pfeiffer
> long and hard
>Chris
Oooh, baby!
<Don't you just love injudicious snipping?>
Mel
Anna Warman
> Anna Warman (AN...@warman.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : [Phenomenal amount of legalese omitted - nice typing, Anna...]
>
> : In other words, from the relatives' point-of-view, if you're going to
> : crash, do it on a flight to/from/in the States if you want to get a decent
> : bundle of cash compensation.
>
> Cool, but $75K still seems a bit low for a man whose work is of vital
> importance to humanity.
Oh my God, don't tell me Pete C is really Max Muir.
> I mean, I reckon my productivity would almost be
> halved if I was dead.
>
> : > Pete, the nervous flier (yeah, right)
> :
> : Aw, Pete. If you'd ever been on one of my flights, I would have held
> : your hand for take-off and landing.
>
> And would you sit on my lap during periods of heavy turbulence?
Of course, and <*warning* old joke...*warning* old joke> we can talk about
the first thing that comes up...
wet
> Pete, thinking "A man can dream..."
^
Anna Warman
Mi...@acronym.co.uk "Mike Banahan" writes:
> In article <3gq2ps$6...@news1.best.com> pe...@best.com "Peter Cockerell" writes:
>
> > : Aw, Pete. If you'd ever been on one of my flights, I would have held
> > : your hand for take-off and landing.
> >
> > And would you sit on my lap during periods of heavy turbulence?
> ^^^
> Pete, that should read "face".
No, only if he needs reviving. In this case, the word turbulence would
have to be replaced by petting (see Cunning Linguistics).
Her Traciness
: Occupation - selling tomahawks to the natives.
Do I count as a native? Cause I really, *really* want a tomahawk.
Also a machete, for my "really nasty killing things of the world" collection.
I'm just starting it, I was inspired by Edinburgh castle.
Cheers,
Tracy
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Tracy Thompson, Spanish Linguistics (ttho...@spanport.umass.edu)
University of Massachusetts, Amherst (thom...@titan.ucs.umass.edu)
SharynN
combination next to Marmite and Marshmallow Fluff.
Yuck.
Sharyn November
Peter Cockerell
: > : > Pete, the nervous flier (yeah, right)
: > :
: > : Aw, Pete. If you'd ever been on one of my flights, I would have held
: > : your hand for take-off and landing.
: >
: > And would you sit on my lap during periods of heavy turbulence?
: Of course, and <*warning* old joke...*warning* old joke> we can talk about
: the first thing that comes up...
Reminds me of something I heard the Greaseman (American shock-type jock)
say once. He had a caller telling him she wanted to be a singing star, so
he goes, "Well I can help you out there, missy. Just come up here and sit
on my lap. See? You're making it big already." You've got to laugh.
Pete "Joystick Control" Muir
Charlie Ball
sha...@aol.com (SharynN) writes:
>Marmite and marmalade strikes me as practically the most disgusting
>combination next to Marmite and Marshmallow Fluff.
>
>Yuck.
Sardines and toothpaste.
Nutella and bacon.
Cauliflower and blackcurrant jam.
Anyone else have a "vile sandwich" competition when you were pissed?
>Sharyn November
Charlie Ball
Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
: Marmite and marmalade strikes me as practically the most disgusting
: combination next to Marmite and Marshmallow Fluff.
: Yuck.
Greasy bacon and damp, overfull ashtrays in soggy bread.
Steve Glover
: What you cannot do with it is produce a Brit-style peanut butter and
: jelly sandwich (if you ever wanted to for some perverted reason). This
: became clear yesterday when Texas woman, in a vain attempt to get on my
: better side, spread Marmite and marmalade on the same piece of toast.
: I was too hung over to spot it until the first bite. Yee-yuk!
Now, if she'd made you a peanut butter and marmite sandwich... perhaps
with a sliver or two of cheddar...