I second that. It is his private life.
OB.
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Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not
see.
I agree. If he had wanted us to know more about it, he would have told us at the con, wouldn't he? Whatever it is that happened, I wish him the best.
Lady Di (as clean as she cares to be)
http://members.aol.com/soongme/index.htm
"Sometimes I'm crazy, but I guess you know
That I'm weak and I'm lazy and I hurt you so.
I don't listen to a word you say.
When you're in trouble. I turn away."
Like he's really going to stand there in front of an audience of a
thousand or so and bring them and himself down by discussing it.
And whatever we do, let's *not* offer our condolences to Brent on the
ng. Oh yeah.. let's just continue on our merry way, making posts about
him being a liar and disrespecting his fans and not liking us, and posts
about his euphemistically-named dick like that's the only part of Brent we
care about, and above all else let's continue making posts about Ron as if
he were still... with us. Brent's *sure* to enjoy reading these types
of posts right now (I say that like I actually think he's even lurking
here right now).
But let's be absolutely, positively sure NOT to make any posts
offering our sympathy to the man to let him know that we genuinely care
about *him* and his feelings and what he must have been/ must be going
through. Let's just let Brent assume that our feelings towards him are
entirely superficial... which I'm sure will just reinforce his feelings
towards us....
Anne K.
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for all things Brent.
"When I look in the mirror, I'm looking at someone with psychological problems." - Brent Spiner
Free your mind...
> But let's be absolutely, positively sure NOT to make any posts
>offering our sympathy to the man to let him know that we genuinely care
>about *him* and his feelings and what he must have been/ must be going
>through. Let's just let Brent assume that our feelings towards him are
>entirely superficial... which I'm sure will just reinforce his feelings
>towards us....
I agree with Anne. How we decide to show our sympathy to Brent should be up to the individual. Having lost a brother in a tragic accident, I know how much it meant to me to have people tell me their thoughts and prayers were with me. I didn't care if I knew them well or not. I just needed to know someone cared.
Marie
MarieUtah
"You looked like a princess the night we met, with your hair piled up high. I will never forget..."
"MARIE" by Randy Newman
>I agree. If he had wanted us to know more about it, he would have told
us at the con, wouldn't >he? Whatever it is that happened, I wish him the
best.
>
You're right. All the best, Brent.
--Suz
> Like he's really going to stand there in front of an audience of a
> thousand or so and bring them and himself down by discussing it.
There wasn't even a obituary, from that one would assume the family did
not wish it to be made public.
> And whatever we do, let's *not* offer our condolences to Brent on the
> ng.
I don't recall that being mentioned unless there have been some posts
lost. I understand the posts to read that it was a matter Brent would
wish to keep private and not have spread all over the internet for the
entire on line world to see.
Oh yeah.. let's just continue on our merry way, making posts about
> him being a liar and disrespecting his fans and not liking us, and posts
> about his euphemistically-named dick like that's the only part of Brent we
> care about,
And what would you have the posts on? Change the whole ng. and make it
obvious that we don't want life to continue as normal. Like crossing the
road when you see a bereaved friend because you're too embarrassed to
talk to them in case you 'say the wrong thing'. That's about the
cruelest, most unkind thing you can do. It isolates them and deepens the
grief, it would realy rub it in that Ron died. I can talk about it
through experiance and through training as a bereavement councilor.
and above all else let's continue making posts about Ron as if
> he were still... with us.
That's the first mention of Ron for a while, that thread had been
dropped.
Brent's *sure* to enjoy reading these types
> of posts right now (I say that like I actually think he's even lurking
> here right now).
See above.
> But let's be absolutely, positively sure NOT to make any posts
> offering our sympathy to the man to let him know that we genuinely care
> about *him* and his feelings and what he must have been/ must be going
> through. Let's just let Brent assume that our feelings towards him are
> entirely superficial... which I'm sure will just reinforce his feelings
> towards us....
Let me reiterate, the family has *not* publicised the death, it would
therefore be pretty safe to say that they did not want it spread all
over Spiner fandome. Doing that is hurtful to Brent. By not saying, his
and Sylvia's wishes are respected as well as Ron's family. If someone
wishes to send condolances, they should be done privatly through his PO
box number, posting them only draws attention to something that is part
of his private life that he wishes to keep private.
I think we are all devastated by the news and would love to hug him and
tell him he has our love and support. Not on the net though, where the
vicious can take and twist it and realy cause Brent pain.
Wen.
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>> It looks as if Brent would like this to be a private matter. I think we
>> should respect his wishes.
>>
>> J
>I second that. It is his private life.
Agreed.
--Suz
I agree too. When my mother died the best thing a friend said to me was
"I don't know what to say, but you know we are all thinking of you"
And then treated me normally.
Fee
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Think about this then, especially since Brent is supposed to be doing a
con out your way in a couple of months...
If people don't know what happened, then a fan may innocently ask
Brent a question about his brother at a con, and how in the hell is Brent
going to feel then - and the fan - and the rest of the audience?!?! Just
because he's not going around advertising about his brother, or chatting
about it pleasantly with 2000 strangers in an auditorium, doesn't mean
that he doesn't want the fact known.
>If someone
>wishes to send condolances, they should be done privatly through his PO
>box number, posting them only draws attention to something that is part
>of his private life that he wishes to keep private.
And if we can dehumanize Brent on this ng to the point of talking
about a part of his precious anatomy as a freaking *sock* then it's pretty
sad that we should be censored from "rehumanizing" him by expressing our
sympathy towards him at this time.
I'm beginning to think that some of the posters to this ng are worse
censors than the AOL censors could ever dream of being.
Thank God I have a web page now.
Different screen names, same person....
Anne K.
Grand Slam report at
http://members.aol.com/AnneDroidz/brent.html
Last updated 3/22/97
"When I look in the mirror, I'm looking at someone with psychological problems." - Brent Spiner
Free your mind....
I think all we ALL really want is for Brent to know we care, and that
we're thinking of him.
Maria
What's the point... he could be reading this now... :)
--
Theresa
>I think all we ALL really want is for Brent to know we care, and that
>we're thinking of him.
>>
Indeed.
--Suz
Anne K.
It's my web page, and I'll say what I want to... http://members.aol.com/AnneDroidz/brent.html
"Feel like trash, you make me feel clean
I'm in the black, can't see or be seen
Baby, baby, baby, light my way..." - U2
Free your mind...
"He's always got an answer, even if he don't know..."
Ashley MacIsaac, 'What an Idiot He Is"
>Pamster wrote:
>>Has anyone discussed the possibility of us all pitching in and donating
>>some $ to one of Brent's favorite charities in Ron's name? I think that
>>might be a very nice compromise - It would do some good, and be a way of
>>letting him know we sympathize with him.
>
> That sounds like a good idea... count me in! I know of two charities
>that Brent supports: The Pediatric Aids Foundation and Comic Relief.
Absolutely, I'm in too.
Val
AKA
Sister Mary Frank
"Better Dead Than Red" - The Gingivitis Man
Every once in awhile, declare peace; it confuses the hell out of your enemy.
Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #76
> That sounds like a good idea... count me in! I know of two charities
>that Brent supports: The Pediatric Aids Foundation and Comic Relief.
>
>
This is the best idea, I've heard yet. That's one way to show you care about someone. If someone knows where to send it, I wouldn't mind sending the money to Anne to send all together in our names.
I second that...
--
Theresa
>This is the best idea, I've heard yet. That's one way to show you care
about
>someone. If someone knows where to send it, I wouldn't mind sending the
>money to Anne to send all together in our names.
Well, I have the address of the office of the Pediatric Aids
Foundation here in LA... or to be exact, in Santa Monica. We could send
the money to that charity if everyone's agreeable to that.
1) WHICH charity do we want to donate to? I'm kind of partial to the
Pediatric Aids Foundation myself. But I think we all should agree on one.
2) Did Ron go by the last name of "Spiner", or did he stick with "Mintz"?
I thought I heard that he kept Mintz, but I wasn't sure... I'd hate to
make a terrible faux pas on this one.
Anyway, if we do want to do this, I'll be glad to obtain the information
on the charity, set up an account for donations, etc, and see it through.
Please email me privately if you are interested.
> We could send
>the money to that charity if everyone's agreeable to that.
>
>
I'm agreeable to that. I'm literally a broke bitch but I'll send what I can.
<<Has anyone discussed the possibility of us all pitching in and donating
some $ to one of Brent's favorite charities in Ron's name? I think that
might be a very nice compromise - It would do some good, and be a way of
letting him know we sympathize with him.
Pam,
I think this a wonderful idea. Gets our focus off of our petty
bickering and onto those who really are in need. What a great way to honor
someone's memory! Pediatric Aids Foundation is ok with me. But maybe the
group can vote. Thanks for doing this
--Suzanne
>
> Well, I have the address of the office of the Pediatric Aids
>Foundation here in LA... or to be exact, in Santa Monica. We could send
>the money to that charity if everyone's agreeable to that.
>
>
That would be great.
It *is* a really good idea, count me in too...
--
Theresa
Investigation has revealed that my corporation will match my
donation if I do it through them. What is the address of the foundation?
Please post your response here, as others undoubtedly work for companies
that do the same thing as mine. =)
Thanks!
-Kath (Kathe...@aol.com), the original "flashy redhead."
Try PONGSRI for fine Thai Cuisine, 244 W. 48th Street (between Broadway and 8th Avenue), in the theatre district, NYC (how appropriate),
(212) 582 - 3392
Hell, I haven't even got a pot to piss in either but when you see the
look on those dear little faces, you just can't ignore them...
--
Theresa
Kath- that's great news! We definately should take advantage of this-
-robyne
=)
>>
>>-Kath (Kathe...@aol.com), the original "flashy redhead."
>>
>>Try PONGSRI for fine Thai Cuisine, 244 W. 48th Street (between Broadway and
>8th Avenue), in the theatre district, NYC (how appropriate),
>>(212) 582 - 3392
>
>Kath- that's great news! We definately should take advantage of this-
>
>
How I would love to even get to New York one time. However It'd be such a disappointment if everyone wasn't living Seinfeldian lives. I take it, Kath, your life isn't a sitcom? Could you send me
some take-out from PONGSRI? Please?
Marie (who always thought she belonged on Broadway.)
>The web interface we went to yielded nothing but pictures and a place to
>insert your questions.
>
>
Could it be that you used Netscape 2.0 or disabled Java? The chat window was a Java applet.
CU
Olivia
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OLAdler wrote:
>
> Im Artikel <19970423213...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> para...@aol.com (Paraqueet) schreibt:
>
> > Just gave one of those 'what on earth is she talking about' smiles :)
> ><>
> >
> >(A buzzer sound here) ... Wendy ... wrong! :)
> >
> >
>
> So what kind of smile was it? The "I ain't gonna tell you, kid" smile? :)
A "You post on Loree's ng. alt.fan.big-spender too" smile?
OB.
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>But, Livy, Hon ... know what happens when two control freaks collide?
>You don't wanna know ..... plus, you'd give in to him anyway. :)
Could be an interesting experiment - and I can be stubborn as hell ;)
(Now, why do pictures of Liz Taylor and Richard Burton come to my head???)
;)
<>So what kind of smile was it? The "I ain't gonna tell you, kid" smile?
:)<>
I wasn't there personally, however, I'm told it was a wicked grin! :)
(:}> Birdie Bleu
"I said kiddelies, diddle I?"
><>So what kind of smile was it? The "I ain't gonna tell you, kid" smile?
>I wasn't there personally, however, I'm told it was a wicked grin! :)
Wicked grin! That's good news! <grins wickedly>
I hope he enjoys us! No, I know he must; we enjoy ourselves so much.
Elizabeth Durack,
Sister Mary Denial, keeper of the Manuscript of the Sock Proverbs
eed...@unix.tamu.edu
http://http.tamu.edu/~eed0125/Homepage.htm
Im Artikel <19970425161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
mari...@aol.com (MarieUtah) schreibt:
>I love Tin Pan Alley crap!
>
>
So do I. I even started to sing it after buying OYE... :)
<>So do I. I even started to sing it after buying OYE... :) <>
I gladly admit to being the "odd one out" here. I loathe Broadway
musicals too. :)
Okay ... lemme think here .... definitely *modern* songs, dammit! I'm
sick of that moldy oldie Tin Pan Alley boring crap! (NO, kiddies, OYE
was *not* Broadway show tunes!
How about Chris Isaak's"Wicked Games" or covers of Roy Orbison
tunes or "You Send Me", a Sam Cooke classic.
And how about a listing of funny, smartass songs too? Huh?
>Too wimpy for my tastes. I'd love to hear him do some tunes with
>some goddamn *soul* to them.
As there are...? Examples! :)
Oh, sorry, I should read the whole message:
>"You Send Me" during a CNN interview a few years back
Who did that song in the first place? And what kind of song is it?
Did anybody record that CNN interview?
I must be really old-fashioned, because I enjoy singing "It's a sin to
tell a lie", I think it's a very sensual song, and, apart from that, my
repertoire is limited through the timbre of my voice. For example, I love
some hard rock tunes, and I'd really like to sing songs like Van Halen's
"Dreams", but I simply don't have the voice for it.
Maybe Brent thinks he has the same problem - I can't tell if he really has
it, because I never heard him singing any non-Broadway or Tin Pan Alley
stuff, but usually it's not possible to do all kinds of genres well (there
are a few outrageously talented exceptions, like the wonderful German
singer Nina Hagen who does everything from Opera to Rock and has a voice
which is incredibly versatile and convincing in every type of song). One
of the best bad examples was the opera singer who did John Lennon's
"Imagine" at the 30 anniversary Star Trek Gala. Great voice, great song,
but both together a pain in the neck.
I can't picture him doing any Joe Cocker stuff, for example.
In article <19970425204...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
ola...@aol.com (OLAdler) writes:
<>"You Send Me" during a CNN interview a few years back
Who did that song in the first place? And what kind of song is it?<>
Sam Cooke did it originally. It's a moldy oldie R&B tune, very sensual
and plenty of emotion.
<>Did anybody record that CNN interview?<>
Unlikely since CNN didn't air the piece.
<>I must be really old-fashioned, because I enjoy singing "It's a sin to
tell a lie", I think it's a very sensual song, and, apart from that,
my
repertoire is limited through the timbre of my voice.<>
Well, you know, to each her own. But what I'm saying is .... we've heard
all that so I'd like something different next time. IF there is a next
time. :)
Also, Brent did at least two "rock musicals" (and Doors tunes in high
school) so his voice must be able to carry it off. Brent as Jim
Morrison???
Gawd, the mind boggles! :)
<> For example, I love some hard rock tunes, and I'd really like to sing
songs like Van Halen's "Dreams", but I simply don't have the voice
for it.<>
Ah ... you assume I want him to do hard rock? Oh no! His voice isn't
suited
for that. Plus, I'm not a fan of that genre either. (This is only my
opinion, folks!)
<>I can't picture him doing any Joe Cocker stuff, for example.<>
Nope. No one can do Joe except Joe himself! Brent wouldn't do well to do
any Rod Stewart either ....
Actually, this entire discussion is moot! Brent will do what he damn well
pleases anyway! Am I right? :)
Peace, Chickadees.
Paraqueet wrote:
>
> Okay ... lemme think here .... definitely *modern* songs, dammit! I'm
> sick of that moldy oldie Tin Pan Alley boring crap! (NO, kiddies, OYE
> was *not* Broadway show tunes!
Thought it was supposed to be standards not neccessarily Broadway show
tunes. The moldy oldie Tin Pan Alley crap wins hands down over all the
brain dead modern garbage any day. But then it helps if you don't have a
voice to sing the modern stuff.
OB. who adores Tin Pan Alley and show tunes
How about the Monty Python ditty "Sit on My Face"?
Laur
<>How about the Monty Python ditty "Sit on My Face"?<>
Or wow, Laur! I'm so very proud of you! :)
And then there's Harry Nillson's "You're Breaking My Heart" .... you
all know the other line of the refrain, don't you? Heh-heh-heh-heh.
>Nope. No one can do Joe except Joe himself! Brent wouldn't do well to do
>any Rod Stewart either ....
Yes he would! "Do You Think I'm Sexy" is definitely him!!
Lady Fiesta
<<I wasn't there personally, however, I'm told it was a wicked grin! :)>>
Perhaps it was his "damn, I forgot to wear my underwear again grin...". I
like that one.
--Suz
<>Perhaps it was his "damn, I forgot to wear my underwear again grin...".
I
like that one. <>
Nope. He *was* wearing a package of socks, as you can plainly see! :)
And, it was one of his patented, "I know exactly what you're talking
about,
but I'll never admit it!" looks. :)
He's given us something "nice" to talk about, that's for sure!
--
Theresa
In article <19970426163...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, LadyFiesta
<ladyf...@aol.com> writes
Ahhhhhh!! Long hair *and* leopard skin leggings???? :::getting on her
knees and praying hard:::
--
Theresa
In article <19970424192...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, DataLaur
<data...@aol.com> writes
>Since I have read some speculation that Brent may do another album (now
>that OYE has finally made some money) - it made me wonder, what songs
>would you like to hear Brent sing?
One of my most fave love songs is a Jim Diamond record called "I
Should've Known Better". It's a great song that really sticks to your
memory (???). It would be perfect for Brent. What I would give for him
to sing it to me... ::::going all zombie-like:::: :)
--
Theresa
There's a little song here in Brit'ain that we all like to sing called
"My Ol' Man's A Dustbin...." - do any Brit sisters remember??? - it's a
bit dirty too! Brent singing that would be soooo hilarious!!!
--
Theresa
Theresa wrote:
<One of my most fave love songs is a Jim Diamond record called "I
<Should've Known Better". It's a great song that really sticks to your
<memory (???). It would be perfect for Brent. What I would give for him
<to sing it to me... ::::going all zombie-like:::: :)
My first pick would be for "You'll Never Know" (Dick Haymes) ... goes
something like this ... "You'll never know how much I love you ... you'll
never know how much I care ..."
In article <L0vmViDu...@demon.co.uk>, Theresa Murison
<the...@demon.co.uk> writes:
>There's a little song here in Brit'ain that we all like to sing called
>"My Ol' Man's A Dustbin...." - do any Brit sisters remember??? - it's a
>bit dirty too! Brent singing that would be soooo hilarious!!!
>--
I remember it well!
Fee
>Nope. He *was* wearing a package of socks, as you can plainly see! :)
>And, it was one of his patented, "I know exactly what you're talking
>about,
>but I'll never admit it!" looks. :)
The only place he really needs socks are on his feet. :) Yes, that's the
right idea...
--Suz
<>The only place he really needs socks are on his feet. :) Yes, that's the
right idea...<>
Oh I dunno ... sometimes it's sexy to see a guy in loafers minus the
socks. :)
> And whatever we do, let's *not* offer our condolences to Brent on the
>ng. Oh yeah.. let's just continue on our merry way, making posts about
>him being a liar and disrespecting his fans and not liking us, and posts
>about his euphemistically-named dick like that's the only part of Brent we
>care about, and above all else let's continue making posts about Ron as if
>he were still... with us. Brent's *sure* to enjoy reading these types
>of posts right now (I say that like I actually think he's even lurking
>here right now).
> But let's be absolutely, positively sure NOT to make any posts
>offering our sympathy to the man to let him know that we genuinely care
>about *him* and his feelings and what he must have been/ must be going
>through. Let's just let Brent assume that our feelings towards him are
>entirely superficial... which I'm sure will just reinforce his feelings
>towards us....
> Anne K.
Well said. I think everyone here cares about Mr. Spiner on a personal level,
even if it may not always show or get lost in the unreality...
It is always a great blow to lose someone you're close to.
Elizabeth Durack,
del...@flash.net
http://http.tamu.edu/~eed0125/Homepage.htm