ASG Lurkers on alt.fan.brent-spiner
Kathartic1
Probably not news, but certain ASG'rs are visiting here to monitor "Brent
in Yahoo" posts. I found this out when I went slumming in the "trailer
park" tonight. I responded to the post as I thought best. Keep the
faith, people.
- Kath (Katha...@aol.com), proud to be an "obsessed, stalker bitch."
AnneDroidz
In article <19961225004...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
katha...@aol.com (Kathartic1) writes:
Ya know... that's really interesting. They claim they can't stand The
Man, yet they're drawn to him like moths to a flame....
BTW, I *love* your screen name! :-D
LLAW,
Anne K.
"I'm not (gay), but if people want to think so, it's fine, that's part of the mystery."
- Brent Spiner
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Visit my Brent page at... http://members.aol.com/AnneDroidz/brent.html
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We three kings of orient are
Tried to smoke a robber's cigar.
It was loaded and exploded
Now we're on yonder star.....
AnneDroidz
Hi all -
Just thought I'd share with ya'll this wonderful little Christmas
message I got from one of the asg'ers:
Subj: Re: ASG Lurkers on alt.fan.brent-spiner
Date: 96-12-25 12:58:39 EST
From: dmig...@interlog.com (David Migicovsky)
To: anned...@aol.com ('anned...@aol.com')
No Anne, we're drawn to monitoring what his lying sacks of shit fans
accuse us of. I've never claimed to detest the little queen. You are
another story entirely.
> Ya know... that's really interesting. They claim they can't stand
The
> Man, yet they're drawn to him like moths to a flame....
>
He doesn't detest the guy, but he calls him "a little queen." Hmmm...
I guess the things we've "accused" the asg'ers of are true after all...
David Migicovsky
AnneDroidz <anned...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19961225184...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Hi all -
>
> Just thought I'd share with ya'll this wonderful little Christmas
> message I got from one of the asg'ers:
>
> Subj: Re: ASG Lurkers on alt.fan.brent-spiner
> Date: 96-12-25 12:58:39 EST
> From: dmig...@interlog.com (David Migicovsky)
> To: anned...@aol.com ('anned...@aol.com')
>
> No Anne, we're drawn to monitoring what his lying sacks of shit fans
> accuse us of. I've never claimed to detest the little queen. You are
> another story entirely.
>
> > Ya know... that's really interesting. They claim they can't stand
> The
> > Man, yet they're drawn to him like moths to a flame....
> >
>
> He doesn't detest the guy, but he calls him "a little queen." Hmmm...
> I guess the things we've "accused" the asg'ers of are true after all...
>
>
> LLAW,
>
> Anne K.
>
Posting private email is a violation of netiquette. Thank you for proving
yourself to be as slimy as I thought you were.
Unlike you, I was attempting to not violate your group's FAQ, where flames and
rumours are not allowed. As for detesting people, I think "little queen," in
addition to being an opinion, is pretty mild compared to "RoCow," and
"Dezbutt" and calling a group "a true cess-pool of humanity"
David, who points out that Anne spent 9 months in the cesspool, even
speculating on Brent Spiner's sexual orientation herself:
I've never discounted the theory that Brent *could* be bisexual. But
"nibbling on the forbidden fruit now and again" and "dining on the
forbidden fruit only" are two entirely different things. ;-)
*************
I may not know for sure whether Brent prefers men or women, but this
much I do know for sure... Around the time of the Generations premiere
(Nov 94) he put on some weight, but he lost it all and maybe plus some by
June 95... and he's been in great shape ever since.
*************
plus:
He was a Hollywood producer. I'd tell you the movies he produced,
except I threw out the LA Times article about him, & I don't remember the
names. Shows how much I care about another dead junkie who was caught with
his pants down... ;-}
*************
Old news now...
The friend who died at his house was the doctor who was trying to get
him off drugs. The doctor died of... a drug overdose of course!
Simpson was also a regular patron of Heidi Fleiss.
The only thing that surprises me is that Simpson lived as long as he
did.
*************
Kennedy!!! Annoying *and* ugly... Yuck!
*************
Of course at one time, Anne had a different opinion of ASG:
LOL!! You guys are too fucking funny!!!
Anne K.
*************
Anne K.
Who is quite happy living in her Hollywood
Hills condo with the bird's eye view of Brent's backyard, but who still
occasionally likes to pay the trailer park a visit... ;-)
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jm2a...@aol.com
In article <19961225175...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
anned...@aol.com (AnneDroidz) writes:
> Ya know... that's really interesting. They claim they can't stand The
>Man, yet they're drawn to him like moths to a flame....
>
>
I've wondered about that too. Even EdPeg (or whatever his name is)
seems to know more about him than his personal physician! If these
people diske him so much, why do they spend half their lives watching and
reading about him, but then again if your favorite activity is spreading
hate and lies about people, I guess you would study your "victims" for
perverted reasons.
Merry Christmas, everyone.
J
AnneDroidz
Dear David,
I know what it is you're angry about... a recent post I made to
ratuee:
<<Subject: Re: GRANT MITCHELL IS , IN REAL LIFE, GAY !!!!!!
From: lore...@aol.com (LoreChick)
Date: 17 Dec 1996 17:16:35 GMT
In article <32b4de72...@news.wanadoo.fr>, Harald...@wanadoo.fr
(Harald Horgen) writes:
>Ba...@the.woods (Babe) wrote:
>
><SNIP>
>
>>He is playing the part of a person, who would probably in real life be
>>anti-gay and homophobic. What a hoot.
>>
>>This is one in the eye for those heterosexual homophobic arseholes.
>>
>>
>>Babe
>
>Are you the same Babe that wrote the following in another posting:
>
>> (gay = more sensitive, understanding, liberal, open-minded and just)
>
>I think you left out hypocritical, bitchy, defensive and rude.
>
>HH
>
>
ROTFL!!!! I don't know if anyone subscribes to the ng
alt.showbiz.gossip (a true cess-pool of humanity), but many of the posters
to it are openly gay, and they fit Harald's definition of gay a hell of a
^^^^^ [emhasis mine]
lot better than they fit Babe's definition!
Not that I'm homophobic or anti-gay, I just don't like the ones who
are hypocritical, bitchy, defensive and rude (not to mention
self-righteous in their thinking that they are somehow "better" than
hets)....>>
I'm sorry David, upon re-reading this, I realize I made a major
omission. I left out a qualifier - I should have written "a lot of them"
instead of just writing "they." Personally, I've never had a problem with
you or Michael R., but there are other gays on the newsgroup that do have
the above-mentioned attitude whom I don't care too much for. There are
plenty of straight(?) women with this attitude on asg that I don't
particularly care for as well. There are also a few asg'ers that I have
no problem with, and there are many asg'ers that I have no strong opinion
of, one way or the other. Very few that I'd actually want to have over
for dinner, though.
Let me try to show you asg from another perspective...
There are (some? many? a lot? a few?) people who lurk on asg, and what
they see is a group of gay men and their "fag hags" who have decided that
certain celebrities are gay. Many of these asg'ers have also decided that
the celebs in question should come out of the closet; and since these
celebs haven't come out of the closet (and heaven help them if they should
say they're *not* gay), these asg'ers have nothing nice to say about these
celebs. And if any fans of these celebs post in defense of the celebs,
these same asg'ers have nothing nice to say about the fans, either.
For example, if A. Fan were to post in Tom Cruise's defense that he's
not a bad actor, is good looking, and is married to Nicole Kidman so he's
not gay... c'mon, David, you *know* what kind of response this person is
going to get from a lot of asg'ers! And the more that A. Fan defends TC,
the more that A. Fan is going to be trounced upon - sometimes quite
savagely - by these asg'ers. Some even resort to harassment and
intimidation techniques such as publicly posting A. Fan's home address or
phone number, and for what reason? Because A. Fan has a differing opinion
from theirs... about a freaking celebrity! And for some people, this type
of behavior fits their very definition of "hypocritical, bitchy, defensive
and rude."
One thing that I've always found so ironic about many asg'ers is that
when the likes of Malfool comes along, he gets flamed (rightfully so) for
being narrow-minded and bigoted; yet when A. Fan posts a dissenting
opinion from "the group," many asg'ers show this same kind of
narrow-mindedness towards A. Fan while denying that they're narrow-minded
at the same time. It amazes me that these asg'ers, while so quick to
point out the narrow-mindedness of others, are incapable of seeing the
same type of narrow-mindedness in themselves.
I am a het woman with *strong* hormonal yearnings towards Brent, yet
not only can I accept the possibility of Brent being gay (or bi); but I
can also honestly say that it really doesn't matter to me if Brent's gay,
and that it wouldn't change my opinion of him as an actor or as a person
if he were. However, there are certain gay asg'ers who cannot accept the
possibility of Brent being anything other than gay, and they also have
nothing nice to say about Brent because he hasn't come out of the closet
to appease them. So I ask you, David, who is being more liberal and
open-minded?
And regardless of your opinion of me, David, if I really thought that
*you* personally are beneath contempt, then I wouldn't have even bothered
to write this letter to you.
[BTW, if you're lurking on ratuee, does this mean we actually have
something in common??? =8-O]
Peace and good health in 97....
Anne K.
of the Ever Changing Sig Line
Androids are fast, but they sure aren't easy!
To learn more about the man behind the gold makeup, visit
http://members.aol.com/AnneDroidz/brent.html
for All that is Brent.
And read alt.fan.brent-spiner for all the latest Brent gossip.
"I just never had the luck to play bitches. Those are the only parts that ever register, really." - Lillian Gish
Free your mind....
David Migicovsky
It is not for me to speak for ASG, so what I say here are my opinions and
observations only.
I do not think that *anyone* in ASG (except for those self-declared fans who
also post here) is particularly interested in Brent Spiner. Certainly, no one
has ever propositioned him or been turned down by him. We are not, by and
large, fans of anyone. There are celebs who we admire (and he is decidedly
*not* one of them), but we are not fans.
Nevertheless, it is the overwhelming consensus (among those who have heard of
Brent Spiner) that he is gay. Yes, we've heard about the woman who is supposed
to be his girlfriend, and no, we're not impressed or convinced. Deal with it,
or don't.
Why does it come up so often in ASG? Frankly, because we know it drives his
fans insane. You should be aware of at least two that I'm referring to, and
despite them being fans of his, you probably wouldn't want them in this group
either. These people have long been disruptive to the group about Brent
Spiner, and other issues.
> There are (some? many? a lot? a few?) people who lurk on asg, and what
> they see is a group of gay men and their "fag hags" who have decided that
> certain celebrities are gay. Many of these asg'ers have also decided that
> the celebs in question should come out of the closet; and since these
> celebs haven't come out of the closet (and heaven help them if they should
> say they're *not* gay), these asg'ers have nothing nice to say about these
> celebs. And if any fans of these celebs post in defense of the celebs,
> these same asg'ers have nothing nice to say about the fans, either.
ASG's posters come in all flavours. I compiled some stats in October. Most
posters (about 60%) are straight women, followed by gay men, straight men,
bisexuals and lesbians. Only about 18% of the posts came from gay or bisexual
men, and without me, that would drop to about 12%. Describing these women,
some of whom don't know any gay men, apart from the ones they know online as
"fag hags" is inaccurate.
Whether a celeb is gay or straight, by and large we have nothing nice to say
about him. That's what the group is about. It is not a place for posting
defense of your favourite celebrity, and it *is* a place that takes great
pleasure in skewering trolls. And, in ASG, saying "How can you say so and so
is gay? I know he's not, and it's nobody's business anyway" *is* trolling and
is dealt with accordingly.
> For example, if A. Fan were to post in Tom Cruise's defense that he's
> not a bad actor, is good looking, and is married to Nicole Kidman so he's
> not gay... c'mon, David, you *know* what kind of response this person is
> going to get from a lot of asg'ers! And the more that A. Fan defends TC,
> the more that A. Fan is going to be trounced upon - sometimes quite
> savagely - by these asg'ers.
Yes. That's what the group is about, and it is spelled out in the anti-FAQ. I
have *no* sympathy for someone who comes in to a group and shoots their mouth
off in defiance of the rules of that group, and that is exactly what you are
describing. It may be different from most groups on Usenet, but that is how
ASG operates. Take it or leave it. Considering that you say in your FAQ that
posting unsubstantiated rumours about his sex life is flaming and you will
attempt to get their account cancelled, you are in no position to judge the
harshness with which other groups treat their trolls. Let's not forget, he has
*never* said he is heterosexual (he has said he's not gay, which is not the
same thing). Somehow I doubt that someone proclaiming Spiner's heterosexuality
in here would be sanctioned, would they?
I have been on ASG, as far as I know, a bit longer than you. If you are going
to make a claim that "some even resort to harassment and intimidation
techniques such as publicly posting A. Fan's home address or phone number" I
would appreciate you giving me enough details so I can research this on Deja
News, or a retraction, as I have no recollection of anything of this nature
happening. Similarly, I have been unable to find any posts where Paul referred
to Spiner as a pedophile, and would appreciate being shown this (these?)
posts.
> I am a het woman with *strong* hormonal yearnings towards Brent, yet
> not only can I accept the possibility of Brent being gay (or bi); but I
> can also honestly say that it really doesn't matter to me if Brent's gay,
> and that it wouldn't change my opinion of him as an actor or as a person
> if he were. However, there are certain gay asg'ers who cannot accept the
> possibility of Brent being anything other than gay, and they also have
> nothing nice to say about Brent because he hasn't come out of the closet
> to appease them. So I ask you, David, who is being more liberal and
> open-minded?
This has nothing to do with being liberal and open-minded. If he *did* come
out of the closet, it wouldn't change ASG's opinion of him either. They still
wouldn't like him.
I have not been lurking on ratuee (I don't even know what it stands for). One
of ASG's lurkers wrote to me and told me what you were saying there, and here.
If it were not for that, I would never have taken a look in your group. I
consider Spiner to be a competent actor, and nothing more. As I said on ASG
when you accused me there of having a crush on Spiner (and yes, I *do*
consider that an accusation, not a suggestion), I am not in any way attracted
to him. I am quite open about who I *am* attracted to, and you will have to
admit he has little, if anything, in common with them. For one thing, he's
about 20 years too old. I could enumerate other reasons I don't find him
attractive, but I doubt they would be appreciated here. While I am an avid
watcher of the Star Trek series (except the original) and movies, I dislike
fandom in general, and Trek fandom in particular.
If I hadn't been warned by that lurker, I think it is safe to say I would
never have looked in this group, and I look forward to not having to read it
in the future. However, any comments made here about ASG in general, and
especially false accusations directed towards individuals will be reposted in
ASG.
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| alt.culture.FABulous--now readable on Déją News
DuendeUna
"David Migicovsky" <dmig...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Posting private email is a violation of netiquette.
So is flaming other people, publicly *or* privately. Not to mention a
violation of common courtesy.
This has to do with Brent because...?
8)
Rose
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http://members.aol.com/duendeuna/index.html
"Sometimes you fall in love against your better judgement. Those are the
best times." -- Brenda L.
David Migicovsky
soo...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961227043...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> In article <19961225200...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> jm2a...@aol.com writes:
>
> > If these
> >people diske him so much, why do they spend half their lives watching and
> >reading about him,
>
>
> schizophrenic.
>
>
>
> Di
>
Because, as I said to Anne, it drives a couple of his fans crazy, and, as they
have long
been a disruptive presence on our group, we enjoy doing it, in the hopes
they'll leave. It is also true that the actions of those fans has, in some
cases, negatively coloured people's opinions of him. Before Jet and Teresa
arrived, most of the women in ASG had never heard of him, and most of the men
thought (if they thought about him at all) that he is a reasonably competent
character actor, who is definitely of the sexual orientation we're not allowed
to mention here in connection with him.
We also talk (at far greater length) about O.J. Simpson, Michael Jackson and
Kathie Lee Gifford. Are you suggesting we also like murderers, child molesters
and exploiters of child labour? In general, the more someone is talked about
in ASG, the *less* likely it is that s/he has any fans there.
Perhaps you're just unclear on the difference between fan groups and gossip.
David, who will be more than happy to leave this group if you stop talking
about ASG and the people there.
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soo...@aol.com
> If these
>people diske him so much, why do they spend half their lives watching and
>reading about him,
That's just the point. They DO like him. They're just in denial. Or
schizophrenic.
Di
Visit Brent Spiner Central on the Web:
http://members.aol.com/soongme/index.htm,
as featured in the cover story of Yahoo Internet Life, December 1996.
Diane Limmer Schirf
In article <01bbf3b3$5aed0940$0100007f@dmigicov>, "David Migicovsky"
<dmig...@interlog.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.MAIL.ME> wrote:
>Before Jet and Teresa
>arrived, most of the women in ASG had never heard of him, and most of the men
>thought (if they thought about him at all) that he is a reasonably competent
>character actor, who is definitely of the sexual orientation we're not allowed
>to mention here in connection with him.
"Definitely"? As has been stated before by myself and others, I really
don't care if Brent is gay or not. But I also would never say "definitely"
about any aspect of anyone's personal life unless I knew him or her very
well and had reason to know about this type of thing. So what irks me is
not speculation that Brent might be gay -- that's the "gossip" aspect of
asg. It's these cut-and-dried statements that he is as though it is a
fact, not speculation.
Speaking for myself alone, I don't mind, "I think Brent is gay" or "He
sure seems gay" or "He set my gaydar off." I do mind, " . . . *definitely*
gay." Am I the only one who sees a difference?
BTW, I am definitely het. I cannot possibly speak for anyone else who
hasn't made a statement one way or the other.
--
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"The face in my mirror is the one face I know." -Andy M. Stewart
David Migicovsky
Diane "Limmer" Schirf <del...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<delenn-2712...@ip125.altoona2.pa.pub-ip.psi.net>...
> In article <01bbf3b3$5aed0940$0100007f@dmigicov>, "David Migicovsky"
> <dmig...@interlog.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.MAIL.ME> wrote:
>
> >Before Jet and Teresa
> >arrived, most of the women in ASG had never heard of him, and most of the
men
> >thought (if they thought about him at all) that he is a reasonably
competent
> >character actor, who is definitely of the sexual orientation we're not
allowed
> >to mention here in connection with him.
>
> "Definitely"? As has been stated before by myself and others, I really
> don't care if Brent is gay or not. But I also would never say "definitely"
> about any aspect of anyone's personal life unless I knew him or her very
> well and had reason to know about this type of thing. So what irks me is
> not speculation that Brent might be gay -- that's the "gossip" aspect of
> asg. It's these cut-and-dried statements that he is as though it is a
> fact, not speculation.
I said thought ..... who is definitely, which is not a cut and dry statement.
And Dianne, you know as well as anyone that when ASG is pushed by someone who
goes against the current of prevailing thought, all statements of doubt
disappear. It is *not* a fan group, and it is quite honest about the way it
operates.
soo...@aol.com
In article <01bbf303$8a8f28f0$c2436cce@dmigicov>, "David Migicovsky"
<dmig...@interlog.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.MAIL.ME> writes:
>
>Why does it come up so often in ASG? Frankly, because we know it drives
his
>fans insane. You should be aware of at least two that I'm referring to,
and
>despite them being fans of his, you probably wouldn't want them in this
group
>either. These people have long been disruptive to the group about Brent
>Spiner, and other issues.
I know who you are referring to, and they are welcome here.
David Migicovsky
mari...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961228033...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> I think the best way to handle our beloved lurker would be to stop
> replying to his posts. This guy is a crashing bore who like the Energizer
> Bunny "keeps going and going and going" ad nauseum. I stopped reading asg
> because sifting through the ashes for some good gossip was getting to be a
> drag.
>
> Marie
>
Remember, I already told you how to get rid of me. It's called keeping your
stupid mouth shut. Which brings me to my new policy: Any flame of me or ASG
will be thrown right back at you. You don't respect the rules of your group,
so I won't either, but unlike you, I won't start it.
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David Migicovsky
soo...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961228005...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>
> No one is forcing you to subscribe to afb-s and read what is said here if
> you don't like it. Anne unsubscribed herself from asg once afb-s was
> started. I personally don't care what you guys say on asg anymore, and I
> refuse to post there. Why can't you just let us play in our sandbox and
> you play in yours?
>
Because you are lying about people, accusing them of things they never said,
completely in violation of your own rules. If Anne had kept her mouth shut,
and started making things up, I wouldn't be here.
>
> Mr. Spiner has done nothing to deserve the assassination of his character
> that the asgers have perpetrated upon him.
Saying you think someone is gay is not character assassination. Neither is
saying he is a bad actor. It may be against the rules here, but it's not in
the real world.
> Brent is not a pedophile and he is not gay, although I'm sure there is
> nothing anyone can say to convince any of you of the truth.
And you know this how? From the article where he said he wasn't, and also said
how much he enjoys lying? And I repeat, I don't think he's a pedophile, and I
can neither recall, nor find a post in Deja News that indicates anyone else
thinks so either.
> If I were you
> guys, I would stop the slander and libel before legal action is taken
> against any of you. Brent has an attorney. Consider this a friendly
> warning.
>
More like a pointless warning. Saying someone is gay is not libel.
> So, please cool it. I'm willing to forgive and forget if you will just
> leave us alone in our newsgroup. You guys have been insulting both Brent
> and his fans for a long time now and you bemoan a little well-deserved
> payback. Grow up.
>
I was *not* referring to Anne, as one of the people we were trying to get rid
of. I defended her on several occasions in ASG, when other people mistakenly
lumped her in with the other two, one of whom has mercifully left the Internet
entirely (she had severe mental problems and was as likely to flame him as
defend him) and the other who is a disruptive presence in every newsgroup she
infests. Again, these are people you would *not* want in your group, and those
here who read or used to read ASG can certainly back me up on that.
To my knowledge, no one ever called him a pedophile, and once again, I
challenge you to produce any posts from ASG saying he is.
And as I said, stop flaming ASG and its people in here and I will be happy to
leave. We are following the rules of our newsgroup, in our newsgroup. You
don't have to like the newsgroup or its rules. You are not following your own
rules in yours.
Kathartic1
Ah, what a tangled and hypocritical web we weave...
:Because you are lying about people,
... NOT, and BTW, we all know ASG NEVER posts lies about people,
especially Brent...
:accusing them of things they never said,
:completely in violation of your own rules. If Anne had kept her mouth
shut,
:and started making things up, I wouldn't be here.
Anne is making things up? I've READ some of the very posts to which she's
referring on ASG! Please specify exactly what you're perceiving as "made
up."
:Saying you think someone is gay is not character assassination. Neither
is
:saying he is a bad actor.
That's a given, but I don't recall ever hearing the term "little queen"
(and other terms that describe Brent posted on ASG) in any way that can be
deemed positive.
:It may be against the rules here, but it's not in the real world.
You mean it's not against the rules in ASG. We've already established
that ASG and the real world (a.k.a. reality) are mutually exclusive.
:And as I said, stop flaming ASG and its people in here and I will be
happy to
:leave. We are following the rules of our newsgroup, in our newsgroup. You
:don't have to like the newsgroup or its rules. You are not following your
own
:rules in yours.
Wait a second, here. I can hear the world's smallest violin playing a
weepy song. Brent was recently described in ASG as "fodder for flesh
ripping," and you're objecting to flames against ASG from his fans in this
newsgroup?!?! It's pretty obvious who's instigating and getting
rightfully flamed as a result. Also, your claim that we're "not allowed"
to flame the very people that flame Brent and his fans because of our own
"rules" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. We're just supposed
to shut up and put up, eh? Sounds like an "I can dish it out but I can't
take it" attitude on your part.
And whether we "follow our own rules" or not, you don't belong here. This
is a group for Brent FANS, who have every right to be defensive of him
when we see posted lies about him or ourselves. ASG abuse will stop when
Brent/Brent fan abuse stops in your newsgroup. And if it won't stop and
you can't hack the ramifications, beat it.
--
-Kath (Katha...@aol.com), proud to be an "obsessed, stalker bitch."
David Migicovsky
Kathartic1 <katha...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19961228060...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Ah, what a tangled and hypocritical web we weave...
>
> :Because you are lying about people,
>
> ... NOT, and BTW, we all know ASG NEVER posts lies about people,
> especially Brent...
>
Well we haven't caught up to him when it comes to lying, now have we?
> :accusing them of things they never said,
> :completely in violation of your own rules. If Anne had kept her mouth
> shut,
> :and started making things up, I wouldn't be here.
>
> Anne is making things up? I've READ some of the very posts to which she's
> referring on ASG! Please specify exactly what you're perceiving as "made
> up."
>
>
The so-called posts about him being a pedophile. Where are they? Quote one.
And I've said that in every post, without anyone addressing it.
> :Saying you think someone is gay is not character assassination. Neither
> is
> :saying he is a bad actor.
>
> That's a given, but I don't recall ever hearing the term "little queen"
> (and other terms that describe Brent posted on ASG) in any way that can be
> deemed positive.
>
Never said it was positive, that doesn't make it character assassination.
> :It may be against the rules here, but it's not in the real world.
>
> You mean it's not against the rules in ASG. We've already established
> that ASG and the real world (a.k.a. reality) are mutually exclusive.
>
No, let me say this really loud because you just don't get it:
SAYING SOMEONE IS GAY IS NEITHER LIBEL NOR SLANDER. Not in ASG, and not in the
real world.
> Wait a second, here. I can hear the world's smallest violin playing a
> weepy song. Brent was recently described in ASG as "fodder for flesh
> ripping," and you're objecting to flames against ASG from his fans in this
> newsgroup?!?! It's pretty obvious who's instigating and getting
> rightfully flamed as a result. Also, your claim that we're "not allowed"
> to flame the very people that flame Brent and his fans because of our own
> "rules" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
It's interesting to see that you think so little of your own rules that you
can't even use the word without quotes.
We're just supposed
> to shut up and put up, eh? Sounds like an "I can dish it out but I can't
> take it" attitude on your part.
You're supposed to stay out of the newsgroup if you don't like how it
operates. And I don't recall your FAQ referring to "rightful flames"
>
> And whether we "follow our own rules" or not, you don't belong here.
Tough. Shut your mouths and go back to the purpose of this group and I'll
leave. As long as you use it to flame ASG, I'll be here defending it. We
ignored this group for months, until you started flaming ASG here. We couldn't
care less about your group unless you bring us into it. And whether you like
hearing it or not, these anti-ASG posts are completely off-topic for the group
by your own rules.
This
> is a group for Brent FANS, who have every right to be defensive of him
> when we see posted lies about him or ourselves.
How do you know *anything* posted about him in ASG is a lie, considering he
himself is a self-confessed liar? And what lies have been posted about his
fans?
> ASG abuse will stop when
> Brent/Brent fan abuse stops in your newsgroup. And if it won't stop and
> you can't hack the ramifications, beat it.
> --
It doesn't matter one bit to me if this group degenerates into a flame-fest,
where half the posts are about another newsgroup and its members. Is that what
you want for it, or do you want a group where his fans can post information
about him, stories, news, etc? If that's what you want, stop posting off-topic
and I'll have nothing to reply to. You'll remember, I started posting here
because Anne chose to post the private email I sent her. Anne could have
settled it in email, but instead chose to bring it into your group. I wanted
to stay out of here, and I was dragged in against my will.
> -Kath (Katha...@aol.com), proud to be an "obsessed, stalker bitch."
>
Of course I could hardly say anything more insulting about you than the words
you use to describe yourself.
--
| David Migicovsky, real email address is dmig...@interlog.com
| alt.culture.FABulous--now readable and postable from Déjà News
mari...@aol.com
Kathartic1
Remember, I already told you how to get rid of me. It's called keeping
your
stupid mouth shut. Which brings me to my new policy: Any flame of me or
ASG
will be thrown right back at you. You don't respect the rules of your
group,
so I won't either, but unlike you, I won't start it.
David, if you'd kept your own stupid mouth shut, you wouldn't be here
right now. You WERE the one who started it, with the "I wouldn't be
surprised if he (Brent) did hate his fans" and "Reality and Spiner fans
are mutually exclusive terms" remarks. Talk about a TOTAL hypocrite. And
as far as flames are concerned, I really don't care what you have to say.
Feel free to waste your time while we laugh at you.
LoreChick
In article <01bbf303$8a8f28f0$c2436cce@dmigicov>, "David Migicovsky"
<dmig...@interlog.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.MAIL.ME> writes:
>Why does it come up so often in ASG? Frankly, because we know it drives
his
>fans insane. You should be aware of at least two that I'm referring to,
and
>despite them being fans of his, you probably wouldn't want them in this
group
>either. These people have long been disruptive to the group about Brent
>Spiner, and other issues.
Oh bullshit, David. The amount of venom that is aimed at Brent by
certain asg'ers isn't *just* because of the ramblings of a mentally ill
woman and Jet's one- and two-liners! There's this ugly pack-rat mentality
among these asg'ers... almost like they're in a competition to see who can
possibly say the nastiest thing about Brent, which, IMAO, shows a deeper
pathology than just "trying to piss off a couple of fans."
And BTW, not only have I found some of Jet's posts to asg and other
ng's to be hilarious, she is also in an e-mail group that I'm in, and I've
never encountered any problems with her. Which is more than I can say for
certain asg'ers.
>I have been on ASG, as far as I know, a bit longer than you. If you are
going
>to make a claim that "some even resort to harassment and intimidation
>techniques such as publicly posting A. Fan's home address or phone
number" I
>would appreciate you giving me enough details so I can research this on
Deja
>News, or a retraction, as I have no recollection of anything of this
nature
>happening.
I don't remember the woman's name, but it was the one who everyone was
flaming for whining all the time. JR and she really got into some heated
flames, and JR posted this woman's personal address - I don't know whether
it was her home or work - but it was a number JR had no business posting.
And I find her *truly* despicable for this.
>Similarly, I have been unable to find any posts where Paul
>referred
>to Spiner as a pedophile, and would appreciate being shown this (these?)
>posts.
I didn't make the post about Paul saying Brent was a pedophile, but
I'll answer anyway. Remember the celebrity acronyms? Paul posted one for
Brent, and the B and R stood for "Boy reaming." Boy = minor. Therefore,
Paul was saying that Brent is a pedophile. Up until this post, I had no
problem with Paul; but I found this particular post to be beyond the
boundaries of any kind of decency. It also said a lot more about the
typical mentality of certain asg'ers than it said anything about Brent.
It was after that post that I removed asg from my ng's. I'd had enough of
slumming.
BTW, other than this ng, I don't keep most posts to ng's; so if this
is *that* important to you, David, that you want to spend your time going
back through DejaNews looking for these posts, then have at it. As for
me, I have better things to do with my time.
>This has nothing to do with being liberal and open-minded. If he *did*
come
>out of the closet, it wouldn't change ASG's opinion of him either. They
still
>wouldn't like him.
Aha... there's that ugly pack-rat mentality again!
And for you asg'ers who also claim to be Brent fans and Brent fans who
say you're also asg'ers: David said it not me... "ASG's opinion of him
either. They still wouldn't like him."
Not "_some_ of asg's opinion," or "_most_ of asg's opinion," but
"ASG's opinion." That means everyone on asg...
>
>If I hadn't been warned by that lurker, I think it is safe to say I would
>never have looked in this group, and I look forward to not having to read
it
>in the future. However, any comments made here about ASG in general, and
>especially false accusations directed towards individuals will be
reposted in
>ASG.
>
Like I said, if it's *that* important to you, David, then have at
it...
Peace and good health in '97...
soo...@aol.com
In article <01bbf3b3$5aed0940$0100007f@dmigicov>, "David Migicovsky"
<dmig...@interlog.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.MAIL.ME> writes:
>
>
>Because, as I said to Anne, it drives a couple of his fans crazy, and, as
>they
>have long
>been a disruptive presence on our group, we enjoy doing it, in the hopes
>they'll leave.
Huh? You "enjoy" your interaction with Brent's fans, yet you want them to
leave? That's quite a contradictory statement, don't you think? If you
guys had really wanted Anne, et al to leave your trailer park alone, all
you had to do was stop your vicious attacks against Brent's moral
character by calling him a pedophile, etc. And yet you didn't.
>David, who will be more than happy to leave this group if you stop
talking
>about ASG and the people there.
No one is forcing you to subscribe to afb-s and read what is said here if
you don't like it. Anne unsubscribed herself from asg once afb-s was
started. I personally don't care what you guys say on asg anymore, and I
refuse to post there. Why can't you just let us play in our sandbox and
you play in yours?
Besides, are our statements really unwarranted? Think about it. Anything
that Anne or I or a few other regulars on afb-s have said about asg is
purely in response to the nastiness we have read there. I never read asg
nor was I interested at all in it until Brent fans started telling me
about the nasty things said about Brent there. From our point of view,
you and the others on asg drew first blood. Don't go crying about the
flame war you started without provocation now.
Mr. Spiner has done nothing to deserve the assassination of his character
that the asgers have perpetrated upon him. He has stated at a convention
that he was initially very upset about what people said about him there.
According to the YIL article, he doesn't seem to care anymore. If he did,
I'm sure it would have driven him nuts by now. Imagine how you would feel
if people spread lies about you.
Brent is not a pedophile and he is not gay, although I'm sure there is
nothing anyone can say to convince any of you of the truth. If I were you
guys, I would stop the slander and libel before legal action is taken
against any of you. Brent has an attorney. Consider this a friendly
warning.
So, please cool it. I'm willing to forgive and forget if you will just
leave us alone in our newsgroup. You guys have been insulting both Brent
and his fans for a long time now and you bemoan a little well-deserved
payback. Grow up.
Di
LoreChick
In article <01bbf298$094f8de0$c2436cce@dmigicov>, "David Migicovsky"
<dmig...@interlog.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.MAIL.ME> writes:
>Posting private email is a violation of netiquette.
ROTFLMBLAO!!! And we all know, of course, that *that* netiquette rule
was thought up by the very people who enjoy sending rude, nasty,
harrassing, etc e-mail to people! Duh!
I don't send odious e-mail to people, and I sure as hell post any and
all odious e-mail that I receive. Once it's in *my* mailbox, then it's
*my* mail, and I can do whatever I want to with it. Fuck netiquette.
>Thank you for proving
>yourself to be as slimy as I thought you were.
ROTFLMBLAO again! That's very funny coming from you, David,
considering some of the sewer sludge you choose to be friends with. (See
below...)
>Unlike you, I was attempting to not violate your group's FAQ, where
flames
>and
>rumours are not allowed.
Ayup, that's me alright... violator of every ng's FAQ, even this
one's. That's what happens when an anarchistic libertarian is allowed to
run loose on the Internet! No apologies, either...
> As for detesting people, I think "little queen," in
>addition to being an opinion, is pretty mild
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well just for starters here, Brent's 5'11"... and that's hardly what
I'd call "little." If that's your opinion of little, David, then I'm
curious to know what you consider to be an average height for a man.
>compared to "RoCow,"
Only an opinion, David.
>and
>"Dezbutt"
Only an opinion, David.
> and calling a group "a true cess-pool of humanity"
Only an opinion, David.
And it's not like the above mentioned two never called me names. Once
again, it seems that old asg double standard has come into play. Asg'ers
can call whomever whatever they want, but they are entirely incapable of
getting the same served back to them.
Maybe that should be included in your anti-FAQ too. How about... "We
can spew out whatever vicious vitriol we want about anyone we want, but
don't you *dare* say anything bad about any of us anywhere on the
Internet! ==Hands on hips and pouting=="
>David, who points out that Anne spent 9 months in the cesspool,
Yes, even I have friends in low places...
> even
>speculating on Brent Spiner's sexual orientation herself:
>
<<Deletia, deletia, deletia>>
Ho-hum, here we go yet again...
I've never said anything otherwise. Plain and simple, I don't *know*
'cause I am not now, nor have I ever been in the position *to know* one
way or the other. Brent may like only women, he may like only men, he may
like both equally or like both but prefer one to the other. He may be a
total misanthrope and not like either. The only thing I'd personally have
a problem with is if he wanted to have sex with my 3-year-old daughter, my
parents, or my cat.
But *my* point is that there is no hard evidence to support the
asg'ers claim that he's gay, and no matter what Brent ever says or does,
these asg'ers will always say he's gay.
Hell, he could get caught on video, having sex with an underage
female, *obviously* enjoying himself... it could be all over Hard Copy,
Inside Edition, and Entertainment Tonight... and the asg'ers would still
say that he's gay, and that he was only faking it so people wouldn't think
that he's gay! Sheesh... talk about narrow-minded.
And it's not just the "is he or isn't he" drivel either. How about
the posts by certain asg'ers who basically treat Brent like he's the pond
scum of humanity? Thes posts have nothing to do with his gender
preference but rather are attacks against him personally... someone these
asg'ers don't even know. That kind of maliciousness is much more hateful
than just speculating about someone's bed buddy preference.
In my book, if you want to get respect, then you've got to give it.
And I have *no* respect for those who are incapable of showing it to
anyone (not that I mean you personally, David, but see above...).
David Migicovsky
Those remarks were not made here, they were made on ASG, where they were
completely appropriate, and made only after I was informed of Anne's remarks.
I certainly do stand by them.
Anyway, you obsessed bitch, how does giving an opinion on a debate going on
here (46 posts under that title by my count) make me a hypocrite?
As for laughing at me, considering who you *do* admire, and what I think of
you, do you really think I'd want your respect?
I've offered several times to leave this group. I would really like to leave
this group. Obviously flaming ASG means more to you than your group does.
--
| David Migicovsky, real email address is dmig...@interlog.com
| "I think that's enough to make people think I'm gay. I'm not"
| "I lie about all sorts of things"--both quotes, Brent Spiner
David Migicovsky
LoreChick <lore...@aol.com> wrote in article
> Well just for starters here, Brent's 5'11"... and that's hardly what
> I'd call "little." If that's your opinion of little, David, then I'm
> curious to know what you consider to be an average height for a man.
>
Little does not have to refer solely to physical size.
> > and calling a group "a true cess-pool of humanity"
>
> Only an opinion, David.
> Ho-hum, here we go yet again...
> I've never said anything otherwise. Plain and simple, I don't *know*
> 'cause I am not now, nor have I ever been in the position *to know* one
> way or the other. Brent may like only women, he may like only men, he may
> like both equally or like both but prefer one to the other. He may be a
> total misanthrope and not like either. The only thing I'd personally have
> a problem with is if he wanted to have sex with my 3-year-old daughter, my
> parents, or my cat.
I can understand about your cat and daughter, but aren't your parents old
enough to decide for themselves?
> But *my* point is that there is no hard evidence to support the
> asg'ers claim that he's gay, and no matter what Brent ever says or does,
> these asg'ers will always say he's gay.
And as you admit, there's no hard evidence to support the claim that he's
straight, and people here (not to mention the two from ASG who I won't
mention) will always say he's straight.
> Hell, he could get caught on video, having sex with an underage
> female, *obviously* enjoying himself... it could be all over Hard Copy,
> Inside Edition, and Entertainment Tonight... and the asg'ers would still
> say that he's gay, and that he was only faking it so people wouldn't think
> that he's gay! Sheesh... talk about narrow-minded.
Yup, just like we're not exactly convinced by Michael Jackson's marriages and
his current wife's pregnancy. Please note that I am not saying that Brent
Spiner is a pedophile, and I definitely *am* saying that MJ is.
> And it's not just the "is he or isn't he" drivel either. How about
> the posts by certain asg'ers who basically treat Brent like he's the pond
> scum of humanity? Thes posts have nothing to do with his gender
> preference but rather are attacks against him personally... someone these
> asg'ers don't even know. That kind of maliciousness is much more hateful
> than just speculating about someone's bed buddy preference.
And I think you know what the root of those attacks was. People who proceeded
you in ASG, who were entirely obsessive about him, made outrageous claims
about him *and* spewed homophobia. You were there for some of it, and because
of them, some people made the same assumptions about you. And as you'll
recall, every time someone did, I corrected them
> In my book, if you want to get respect, then you've got to give it.
> And I have *no* respect for those who are incapable of showing it to
> anyone (not that I mean you personally, David, but see above...).
>
>
--
| David Migicovsky, real email address is dmig...@interlog.com
| I think that's enough to make people think I'm gay. I'm not
| I lie about all sorts of things--both quotes, Brent Spiner
David Migicovsky
>
> >Why does it come up so often in ASG? Frankly, because we know it drives
> his
> >fans insane. You should be aware of at least two that I'm referring to,
> and
> >despite them being fans of his, you probably wouldn't want them in this
> group
> >either. These people have long been disruptive to the group about Brent
> >Spiner, and other issues.
>
> Oh bullshit, David. The amount of venom that is aimed at Brent by
> certain asg'ers isn't *just* because of the ramblings of a mentally ill
> woman and Jet's one- and two-liners! There's this ugly pack-rat mentality
> among these asg'ers... almost like they're in a competition to see who can
> possibly say the nastiest thing about Brent, which, IMAO, shows a deeper
> pathology than just "trying to piss off a couple of fans."
I agree that this exists, and that it has taken on a life of its own--but I
*do* maintain that's the cause of it. It's something like you may have seen in
other groups, for a world's longest thread, or that "meow" thing, etc. Should
Usenet be around 100 years from now, and you, BS and I are (presumably) long
dead and forgotten, if there's an ASG, I'm sure they'll still be claiming he's
gay, even if they have no idea who he was. In a very real sense, it has
nothing to do with Brent Spiner the man, it has to do with Brent Spiner the
symbol--sort of like the Bogeyman, Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.
> And BTW, not only have I found some of Jet's posts to asg and other
> ng's to be hilarious, she is also in an e-mail group that I'm in, and I've
> never encountered any problems with her. Which is more than I can say for
> certain asg'ers.
>
I bet her ISP wishes they could say that. Mind you, her worst explosion in ASG
was after you left, but it was quite ugly. And I know she is roundly despised
in most of the groups she posts to.
>
> I don't remember the woman's name, but it was the one who everyone was
> flaming for whining all the time. JR and she really got into some heated
> flames, and JR posted this woman's personal address - I don't know whether
> it was her home or work - but it was a number JR had no business posting.
> And I find her *truly* despicable for this.
>
That doesn't ring a bell with me. I'm not disagreeing with you. If what you're
saying is true, and that's the whole story, I certainly agree with you. I will
write you separately with a name that I *think* you might mean.
>
> >Similarly, I have been unable to find any posts where Paul
> >referred
> >to Spiner as a pedophile, and would appreciate being shown this (these?)
> >posts.
>
> I didn't make the post about Paul saying Brent was a pedophile, but
> I'll answer anyway. Remember the celebrity acronyms? Paul posted one for
> Brent, and the B and R stood for "Boy reaming." Boy = minor. Therefore,
> Paul was saying that Brent is a pedophile. Up until this post, I had no
> problem with Paul; but I found this particular post to be beyond the
> boundaries of any kind of decency. It also said a lot more about the
> typical mentality of certain asg'ers than it said anything about Brent.
> It was after that post that I removed asg from my ng's. I'd had enough of
> slumming.
Interesting. Do you automatically assume that any use of the word "girl"
refers to a minor as well? It is quite common in the gay community to refer to
fully adult men as boys, I can provide dozens of examples if
necessary--starting with The Boys in the Band. If I told you I had a boyfriend
would you assume I was talking about a minor? How about if I said I was going
out boy watching? In both cases I would be referring to men well above the age
of consent (which is actually only 16 here, but that's beside the point). I
think you're really stretching things here.
>
> >This has nothing to do with being liberal and open-minded. If he *did*
> come
> >out of the closet, it wouldn't change ASG's opinion of him either. They
> still
> >wouldn't like him.
>
> Aha... there's that ugly pack-rat mentality again!
>
> And for you asg'ers who also claim to be Brent fans and Brent fans who
> say you're also asg'ers: David said it not me... "ASG's opinion of him
> either. They still wouldn't like him."
> Not "_some_ of asg's opinion," or "_most_ of asg's opinion," but
> "ASG's opinion." That means everyone on asg...
>
You're putting words in my mouth and being either deliberately or congenitally
stupid. You know as well as I do that no group speaks with one voice, and
certainly not one as large and diverse as ASG. But if you insist on having it
spelled out for you, word by word:
Most people on ASG who have expressed an opinion on Brent Spiner in the past
year were, before they were exposed to the spew of Teresa and Jet, either
completely unaware of his existence, or supremely indifferent to it. If he
were to come out of the closet, they would not suddenly like him when they
didn't have any disposition to like him previously. Your mileage may vary.
Void where prohibited.
mari...@aol.com
In article <01bbf49f$adff7cc0$0100007f@dmigicov>, "David Migicovsky"
<dmig...@interlog.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.MAIL.ME> writes:
>
>I've offered several times to leave this group. I would really like to
leave
>this group. Obviously flaming ASG means more to you than your group does.
>--
Ladies, this is so sad. I guess we're now guilty of holding this poor man
hostage and causing him grief. It's obvious that he can *never* leave
because he *has* to have the last word and no one will let him have it.
Look, I'm opening the door to your cage. Fly! Be Free!
Kathartic1
> Which brings me to my new policy: Any flame of me or
> ASG
> will be thrown right back at you. You don't respect the rules of your
> group,
> so I won't either, but unlike you, I won't start it.
>
> David, if you'd kept your own stupid mouth shut, you wouldn't be here
> right now. You WERE the one who started it, with the "I wouldn't be
> surprised if he (Brent) did hate his fans" and "Reality and Spiner fans
> are mutually exclusive terms" remarks. Talk about a TOTAL hypocrite.
And
> as far as flames are concerned, I really don't care what you have to
say.
> Feel free to waste your time while we laugh at you.
> -Kath (Katha...@aol.com), proud to be an "obsessed, stalker bitch."
>
> Those remarks were not made here, they were made on ASG, where they were
completely appropriate, and made only after I was informed of Anne's
remarks.
So they were. And remarks about ASG were made here, not on ASG. These
remarks were related to a discussion about rumors being spread about Brent
on other newsgroups (we discuss Brent a lot here, being that it's HIS
newsgroup). They were completely appropriate in the context of the
original message from Anne, whether you think so or not. And why do you
care whether or not we "violate our FAQ" (by your definition) anyway,
seeing that you aren't regularly subscribed to this newsgroup?
> Anyway, you obsessed bitch, how does giving an opinion on a debate going
on here (46 posts under that title by my count) make me a hypocrite?
A. Ooh, name calling. David has claws, everyone. Look out. I guess
you're feeling a little bitchy yourself now, eh?
B. It's hypocritical to bitch about people talking negatively about you
and your group in a.f.b-s when you're guilty of doing the same thing in
ASG. That much is painfully obvious, yet you keep missing it.
> As for laughing at me, considering who you *do* admire, and what I think
of you, do you really think I'd want your respect?
Well, considering what you've shown yourself to be here, David, the
feeling is completely mutual. And I already told you, what you think is
of no consequence at all.
>I've offered several times to leave this group. I would really like to
leave
this group. Obviously flaming ASG means more to you than your group does.
Then go if you want. No one's keeping you here but yourself.
Kath, who won't call David a name even though he deserves it, because she
won't sink to his level and is finding this more boring than amusing, now.
--
Jet Silverman
Kathartic1 (katha...@aol.com) wrote:
: Anne is making things up? I've READ some of the very posts to which she's
: referring on ASG! Please specify exactly what you're perceiving as "made
: up."
Ignore Davey, he is by his own definition, a troll. He has been lashing
out like a rabid dog (I heard he got some bad news from his doctor).
He is obviously quite obsessed with Brent, and wishes he were g*y. Alas,
all Daveykins has is his own anger at the world to keep him company. Pray
for him.
J
AnneDroidz
In article <5a7tln$rt3$2...@marina.cinenet.net>, j...@cinenet.net (Jet
Silverman) writes:
>He is obviously quite obsessed with Brent, and wishes he were g*y. Alas,
>all Daveykins has is his own anger at the world to keep him company. Pray
>for him.
Hi Jet!!
I was wondering when you were going to show up around here and start
causing trouble..... ;-)
Peace and good health in 97....
Jet Silverman
AnneDroidz (anned...@aol.com) wrote:
: In article <5a7tln$rt3$2...@marina.cinenet.net>, j...@cinenet.net (Jet
: Silverman) writes:
:
: >He is obviously quite obsessed with Brent, and wishes he were g*y. Alas,
: >all Daveykins has is his own anger at the world to keep him company. Pray
:
: >for him.
:
: Hi Jet!!
: I was wondering when you were going to show up around here and start
: causing trouble..... ;-)
:
:
: Peace and good health in 97....
Thanks.
And LOL about RoCow. If that woman wanted to get pregnant, she'd have to
get the turkey baster drunk!
J
soo...@aol.com
In article <5akjcj$5d7$2...@marina.cinenet.net>, j...@cinenet.net (Jet
Silverman) writes:
>
>AnneDroidz (anned...@aol.com) wrote:
>: In article <5a7tln$rt3$2...@marina.cinenet.net>, j...@cinenet.net (Jet
>: Silverman) writes:
>:
>: >He is obviously quite obsessed with Brent, and wishes he were g*y.
Alas,
>: >all Daveykins has is his own anger at the world to keep him company.
Pray
>:
>: >for him.
Sure. He needs it, poor guy. (Well, who doesn't needs a few prayers?)
>:
>: Hi Jet!!
>: I was wondering when you were going to show up around here and
start
>: causing trouble..... ;-)
Yeah, it's about time, chickie. Whereya been? Oh, yeah - at my pad,
right...? ;) As I've stated in a previous post in another thread, you
are certainly welcome here. Pull up and chair and have a... Hey, Anne!
Where'd all the Zimas go to, you rotten lush!?
>:
>:
>: Peace and good health in 97....
>
>Thanks.
>And LOL about RoCow. If that woman wanted to get pregnant, she'd have to
>get the turkey baster drunk!
Now that's a low blow, you witch!
Speaking of turkey basters, WHAT IF Brent wanted you to... never mind.
;)