Original Copy
Parallax11
from? I'm sick of this Directors Cut....half of the dialogue is gone!
Chris
perplex
DADoES version was Australia, and that was dated at 1998 (images can be
found on my BR collectibles web site http://go.to/br-collectibles
Lets ALL hope the 2002 DVD has both versions and a disc full of extras!
perplex
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Cynthia Zerquera-Fischer
I was able to snag the original version on both ebay and yahoo auction sites
for about $10USD. You have to watch the auctions. Also, beware of paying
too much. The first one I tracked went up to $189USD, then two days later
another one came up for $5.99USD.
HTH.
CZF
Netrunner
>Hey, does anyone know where I can order the Original version of Blade Runner
>from? I'm sick of this Directors Cut....half of the dialogue is gone!
Well the first thing would be to let us know what country you're in!
You can still get the OV in the UK, but if you're in the USA, this
information will be of little use.
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it. The guide did not specify that it was the D.C. so it might be the
The Theatrical Version.
Reg
Robert Gormally
(Netrunner) wrote:
>
>>Hey, does anyone know where I can order the Original version of Blade Runner
>>from? I'm sick of this Directors Cut....half of the dialogue is gone!
>
>Well the first thing would be to let us know what country you're in!
>You can still get the OV in the UK, but if you're in the USA, this
>information will be of little use.
If you are in Europe try www.blackstar.co.uk. I never realised
the the theatrical version was so hard to get in the US. I got
my copy free when I bought Blade Runner the game for the
PC a few years back!
Rob
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Parallax11
Is it possible to buy a U.K. version, or is there a format difference?
Thanks for the help so far.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I found a copy at Movieopoly.com, but I'm worried about the quality...I'd
rather have a copy in good or new condition. I mean, my VCR is running rough as
it is. I also have no idea if the seller is on the up and up. Anyone heard
anything?
thanks for everything,
Chris
Cynthia Zerquera-Fischer
Hi Chris,
I replied to you before about ebay. I just checked and on the first page
alone, there are three copies for sale. Enter "Blade Runner" and
"BladeRunner". On either search, you'll get rollerblade stuff, but what you
are looking for is there right now.
CZF
Marc Wickens
I sort of went into a video shop, and picked it up! Didn't know
it was rare!
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Con
> Original version of Blade Runner from?
> I'm sick of this Directors Cut....half of the dialogue is gone!
Chris:
First of all, "half" of the dialogue is not, in fact, "gone." All
that is missing in the D.C. (Director's Cut) of the movie is the
"film-noir"-ish, "nobody-wanted-it-in-there-in-the-first-place"
voiceover by Harrison Ford. All of the OTHER on-screen dialogue is
still there except (obviously) for the artificially tacked-on
"happily-ever-after" ending (which, again, is just Deckard's voiceover
there anyway).
Secondly, speaking just for myself here, I actually prefer (& cherish)
the D.C., WITH its unicorn scene, WITH its elevator ending, and
WITHOUT the O.V.'s intrusive narration. Honestly, Ford's tired
voiceover adds precious little to the film and, besides, I've seen the
Original cut so many times before, I still hear the damn monolog in my
head anyway!
Finally, if it is just a plain VHS tape **COPY**of the O.V. (Original
Version) that you crave, maybe we can work something out, assuming you
prefer the film in its proper "widescreen" format, of course (don't
tell the Feds). I own the long out-of-print Criterion Collection LD
which has the "International Cut" of the film that, for all intents &
purposes, IS the O.V. (IF that's what you truly want). The pricey
tapes forever being auctioned off at eBay are all full-frame; only the
Director's Cut was offered in its correct 2.35:1 aspect ratio on VHS.
Truly, this film deserves to be seen in the letterboxed format, as
anybody in the newsgroup will tell you. Anything else simply will not
do, whether you are referrring to the O.V. **or** the D.C.
RoyBoy
***
Honestly, Ford's tired
voiceover adds precious little to the film and, besides, I've seen the
Original cut so many times before, I still hear the damn monolog in my
head anyway!
Well it certainly poorly done all around...but it was film-noir...
and I would hope it makes the movie more accessible...
but that is probably (wishful) thinking...but I know it
helped me understand what was going on when I first
saw it, when I was 12...or 14...
But I suppose BR isn't supposed to be a kids movie anyway...
--
"Smiles free. Do you want fries with that?"
"If the Truth is dynamic; how will it ever be found?" - RoyBoy
Netrunner
>> I'm in the United States...am I screwed?
>> Is it possible to buy a U.K. version, or is there a format difference?
>>
>> Thanks for the help so far.
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> I found a copy at Movieopoly.com, but I'm worried about the quality...I'd
>> rather have a copy in good or new condition. I mean, my VCR is running
>rough as
>> it is. I also have no idea if the seller is on the up and up. Anyone heard
>> anything?
>>
>> thanks for everything,
>> Chris
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>I replied to you before about ebay. I just checked and on the first page
>alone, there are three copies for sale. Enter "Blade Runner" and
>"BladeRunner". On either search, you'll get rollerblade stuff, but what you
>are looking for is there right now.
>
>CZF
And that is good advice. When doing a search on eBay for Blade Runner
stuff, (or anything else), I find the "not" criteria very useful, i.e.
"not skates", etc. You may wish to eliminate "poster" "pb"
(paperback) and other such things to reduce your result set.
Also, for your other questions, why not check the newsgroup website
for more details. Basically, there is a video signal difference
between the USA and the UK, which I won't go into detail about. The
short story is that in Europe, video players usually play both, but in
the USA they don't. So, you almost certainly shouldn't buy from the
UK if you're in the USA, without researching some more.
Netrunner.
Netrunner
brainstorm and posted this to alt.fan.blade-runner:
>Con:
>***
>Honestly, Ford's tired
>voiceover adds precious little to the film and, besides, I've seen the
>Original cut so many times before, I still hear the damn monolog in my
>head anyway!
>***
Indeed! And Ford apparently tried to do it badly so they wouldn't use
it! But they still did.
>
>Well it certainly poorly done all around...but it was film-noir...
>and I would hope it makes the movie more accessible...
>but that is probably (wishful) thinking...but I know it
>helped me understand what was going on when I first
>saw it, when I was 12...or 14...
>
>But I suppose BR isn't supposed to be a kids movie anyway...
Well not really. It is obviously too violent for my 3 year old to be
in the room when I watch it, but I think the certificate is out of
date, (I think 15 in the UK and 18 in the USA?) I think in 10 years
time, I won't have a problem with my daughter watching it. In fact I
find some kids movies and cartoons to be rather violent.
But of course, in BR the violence isn't gratuitous, it is definitely
part of the story. I know there are some teenagers here - what is
your perspective on the deeper meanings of the film? Or are you more
interested in the action, etc.
PMthruROTJ
>But of course, in BR the violence isn't gratuitous, it is definitely
>part of the story. I know there are some teenagers here - what is
>your perspective on the deeper meanings of the film? Or are you more
>interested in the action, etc.
>
I'm 15, I just saw the film for the first time last June, and thought it was
great, not because of the action, which there isn't that much of, but
because it presented a great view of the future, with a deeper meaning. I
thought it was a good movie, up until Roy's speech at the end, which was
brilliant, and catapulted the film to great status. I enjoy the action, but
that's not what made the film for me. I enjoyed the discussion of what it
means to be human, and the plot worked as well. Personally, I think the
replicants are just as human as one of us, and there is little difference.
I've tried to show the film to other people my age and have gotten a
generally good reaction, except for one person who kept asking where the
wires were on the reps. Anyway, in response to the subject of the thread, I
think that the narration is neccessary for first time viewers to understand,
but ruins some great moments if you've already seen the film.
jaminj
(Netrunner) wrote:
>>But I suppose BR isn't supposed to be a kids movie anyway...
>
>Well not really. It is obviously too violent for my 3 year old to be
>in the room when I watch it, but I think the certificate is out of
>date, (I think 15 in the UK and 18 in the USA?) I think in 10 years
>time, I won't have a problem with my daughter watching it. In fact I
>find some kids movies and cartoons to be rather violent.
Its an, R in the US (equivalent to uk18).
>But of course, in BR the violence isn't gratuitous, it is definitely
>part of the story. I know there are some teenagers here - what is
>your perspective on the deeper meanings of the film? Or are you more
>interested in the action, etc.
>
>Netrunner.
I saw it in mid teens for the first time, and thought it was cool all
round, its not your typical action flick. But Its about artificial
intelligence and GOD and the future (and its pretty accurate so far).
Not being very religeous at the time (or now) the God side didn't
occur to me then, but now I identify with the themes. BR, (along with
Asimov and others) was one of the influences which leaves me in my
current situation, finishing a Degree in Artificial Intelligence and
Computer Science and hopefully (finals all going well) staying on to
do a PhD.
Anyone who claims to be a fan, has to enjoy the history behind the
film. If you want to watch a light-hearted version go for OV, the VO's
make those bits of the film comedic (you can just imagine Ford in a
dubbing room in front of the mic reading the lame cliched lines, you
got to laugh). But if your up for a gritty wake up and smell reality
flick then the DC is for you (and me personally).
There is a great philosphic nature to the film, all about the value of
life and death. Is life worth any less when its artificial? When
Artificial life is no different to biological life can we be sure
we're not all replicants of some other form of life, which we've long
outlived. If we can imitate god, are we gods? Or just god wannabes?
Are we destined to always be the Monster, and never Frankenstein.
Created, but unable to create?
jaminj.
Was gonna be a quick 'i saw it as a teen' but i rambled on a bit...
jaminj.
RoyBoy
I saw it in mid teens for the first time, and thought it was cool all
round, its not your typical action flick. But Its about artificial
intelligence and GOD and the future (and its pretty accurate so far).
Not being very religeous at the time (or now) the God side didn't
occur to me then, but now I identify with the themes. BR, (along with
Asimov and others) was one of the influences which leaves me in my
current situation, finishing a Degree in Artificial Intelligence and
Computer Science and hopefully (finals all going well) staying on to
do a PhD.
Neato. Good luck!!!
***
If we can imitate god, are we gods? Or just god wannabes?
Are we destined to always be the Monster, and never Frankenstein.
***
"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God,
but to create him." - Arthur C. Clarke
***
Created, but unable to create?
***
Unable to create? We can have children so we can.
But to create something apart from ourselves...
we do plenty of that too...messing around with
genetics and such...either directly or indirectly.
I cannot wait for Robot wars on TLC...I'm gonna
record them all!!! Maybe I should get my friend
to do it for me...or maybe I should buy his video card
off him...oh crap, I am typing this stuff out...
Netrunner
>I'm 15, I just saw the film for the first time last June, and thought it was
>great, not because of the action, which there isn't that much of, but
>because it presented a great view of the future, with a deeper meaning. I
>thought it was a good movie, up until Roy's speech at the end, which was
>brilliant, and catapulted the film to great status. I enjoy the action, but
>that's not what made the film for me. I enjoyed the discussion of what it
>means to be human, and the plot worked as well. Personally, I think the
>replicants are just as human as one of us, and there is little difference.
>I've tried to show the film to other people my age and have gotten a
>generally good reaction, except for one person who kept asking where the
>wires were on the reps. Anyway, in response to the subject of the thread, I
>think that the narration is neccessary for first time viewers to understand,
>but ruins some great moments if you've already seen the film.
Not everyone can enjoy the same things and that is fine. But it is
good to know that some of your friends do enjoy it. And good to know
that the movie continues to reap new fans!
The OV versus DC topic continues to generate differing views. Like
most people who saw the OV a number of times before the DC came out, I
still hear the voiceover even when it isn't there. I suspect this
does alter one's perception slightly compared to the person who first
sees the DC.
Netrunner
>I saw it in mid teens for the first time, and thought it was cool all
>round, its not your typical action flick. But Its about artificial
>intelligence and GOD and the future (and its pretty accurate so far).
>Not being very religeous at the time (or now) the God side didn't
>occur to me then, but now I identify with the themes. BR, (along with
>Asimov and others) was one of the influences which leaves me in my
>current situation, finishing a Degree in Artificial Intelligence and
>Computer Science and hopefully (finals all going well) staying on to
>do a PhD.
>
>Anyone who claims to be a fan, has to enjoy the history behind the
>film. If you want to watch a light-hearted version go for OV, the VO's
>make those bits of the film comedic (you can just imagine Ford in a
>dubbing room in front of the mic reading the lame cliched lines, you
>got to laugh). But if your up for a gritty wake up and smell reality
>flick then the DC is for you (and me personally).
>
>There is a great philosphic nature to the film, all about the value of
>life and death. Is life worth any less when its artificial? When
>Artificial life is no different to biological life can we be sure
>we're not all replicants of some other form of life, which we've long
>outlived. If we can imitate god, are we gods? Or just god wannabes?
>Are we destined to always be the Monster, and never Frankenstein.
>Created, but unable to create?
>
>jaminj.
>Was gonna be a quick 'i saw it as a teen' but i rambled on a bit...
Well its the "rambling" I was hoping for with my question. Most
interesting. I don't want to get into a God discussion per se, but I
do have a thought: Let us assume for the sake of discussion that
there definitely is a God, (whether you believe or not). In that
case, perhaps that God is the God of Earth and answers to a God of the
Universe. Therefore, is the God of Earth creating life in his image
going to annoy the God of the Universe? Or not? And if we are
creating (as opposed to procreating) "humans", is that wrong? If so,
why? If you believe in God, then surely God gave us the ability to do
just that? In a more global moral sense, what exactly is wrong with
creating a "Roy Batty"? And where do you draw the line?
Netrunner.
(Just let me throw another lump of coal on the fire ....)
jaminj
<SNIP>
>occur to me then, but now I identify with the themes. BR, (along with
>Asimov and others) was one of the influences which leaves me in my
>current situation, finishing a Degree in Artificial Intelligence and
>Computer Science and hopefully (finals all going well) staying on to
>do a PhD.
>***
>
>Neato. Good luck!!!
>
Thanx. Hopefully I won't need it.
Had my final year project inspection yesterday.
It went really well. Now all I have left is to finish my
dissertation write-up and then roll on exams.
jaminj.
Parallax11
Myself, I just wanna experience the whole movie...
RoyBoy
RoyBoy
Let us assume for the sake of discussion that
there definitely is a God, (whether you believe or not).
Done.
***
In that case, perhaps that God is the God of Earth and answers to
a God of the Universe.
***
Well, I am not very pagan minded, but I will try to go with
da flow.
***
Therefore, is the God of Earth creating life
in his image going to annoy the God of the Universe? Or not?
***
Well if it was in control of Earth, then that is that, and God
of the Universe doesn't have a say. But, God of Earth would
need to get materials from the rest of the Universe, so GoE would
need to ask GoU for material. And the GoU would know what
the GoE is up too.
***
And if we are creating (as opposed to procreating)
"humans", is that wrong? If so, why?
***
No. Just not wise. But that hasn't stopped us before.
***
If you believe in God, then surely God gave us the ability
to do just that?
***
But then you come down to intent again right? Was it
GoE intent to create in its own image for ego, or fun...
or to give way to new possibilities, more creation,
to piss of the GoU to such an extent as too make it
do something illegal so that the GoE could take over?
***
In a more global moral sense, what exactly is wrong with
creating a "Roy Batty"? And where do you draw the line?
***
If the consideration is for yourself and not for your
creation, then it is morally wrong to create something
that is alive. I will probably need to expand on that.
But, also I think you should repost the original post
under a different subject header and slap that up as
a new message. (Because you should have gotten
a stronger response than this, I almost forgot about it
myself.)
Netrunner
brainstorm and posted this to alt.fan.blade-runner:
>***
Well, I take your point, and I almost did start it off in a new
thread, but I am being a bit wary of people getting upset about
another long thread on God, (although I was trying to put the focus on
drawing parallels and looking at exactly what makes creating a Nexus-6
inherently wrong, whatever your belief system). I think I'll leave it
as is and start up the discussion from a different perspective that
attempts to make no reference to gods, although that is probably not
possible given the fact it is all about creation of people ...
Netrunner
>Getting a bit deep, aren't we?
>Myself, I just wanna experience the whole movie...
There is a place for many different subjects in the newsgroup.
Whether you participate in pure movie discussions, or related
merchandise, or are just interested in thoughts about the Special
Edition, or conjecture on what the characters might have been
"thinking" or discussion of questions raised by the film, we are all
free to choose which subjects to participate in and which to ignore.
So, if your thing is just to experience the whole movie, that is
absolutely fine.
Although as RoyBoy politely hinted, I should probably have resisted
the urge to raise the topic in this particular thread.
Marc Wickens
> Well, I take your point, and I almost did start it off in a new
> thread, but I am being a bit wary of people getting upset about
> another long thread on God, (although I was trying to put the focus on
> drawing parallels and looking at exactly what makes creating a Nexus-6
> inherently wrong, whatever your belief system). I think I'll leave it
> as is and start up the discussion from a different perspective that
> attempts to make no reference to gods, although that is probably not
> possible given the fact it is all about creation of people ...
From Net runner's email address, I can tell he's British. No
suprise then, he's taking a REALISTIC view of most things (except
football if he's anything like me!) , rather than an OVER
OPTIMISTIC view.
I got into an argument in an email about guns.
America, the most God fearing country on the earth, yet they all
think they have the right to carry firearms around with them!
Now, not being a great reader of the bible (i mean the real one,
not FN) I wouldn't know weather this is permitted, if it is, then
do we really think we should follow it? If it isn't, then aren't
most Americans hypocrites? "We love peace, God same america! Or
else i'll have to use my weapon."
Netrunner
>From Net runner's email address, I can tell he's British. No
>suprise then, he's taking a REALISTIC view of most things (except
>football if he's anything like me!) , rather than an OVER
>OPTIMISTIC view.
Well, a likely assumption that I am predominantly based in the UK,
although it is only one of many e-mail addresses I have. But you
already know that. As for being realistic, that is a door open to
anybody.
>I got into an argument in an email about guns.
> ... etc.
I'm not sure what prompted the post here, but might I suggest that we
don't get into another big debate about God, guns, Americans,
presidents who ignore the Tokyo accord (i.e. pro destruction of the
environment as long as people make some money out of it), not to
mention UK politicians, evolution, etc. I already closed down the
topic I raised. Perhaps Marc didn't really intend to open a new can
of ugly worms?
Marc Wickens
> Perhaps Marc didn't really intend to open a new can
> of ugly worms?
Just got the new manics album, was in the mood to create a bit of
controversy :-)