Replicants and EMP.
Erin Lindsey
I actually need to ask a question that has been bugging me for awhile,
having discovered Neuromancer since I last came here in 2003; since
Replicants are theoretically part machine, even if just a little, how
much of a threat would EMP be to them? There were no examples of EMP
used in Blade Runner. First chronological reference I've seen to it
was in Neuromancer, though it was all over the Matrix (as kind of a
Deus Ex Machina, almost.)
Kristian Rink
schrieb Erin Lindsey <erin.d....@gmail.com>:
> I actually need to ask a question that has been bugging me for awhile,
> having discovered Neuromancer since I last came here in 2003; since
> Replicants are theoretically part machine, even if just a little, how
> much of a threat would EMP be to them? There were no examples of EMP
> used in Blade Runner.
Interesting question in my opinion... The first thing I stumbled across
a while ago is [1], and indeed I think the "solution"(?) to your
question is the dispute what kind of "machinery" a replicant actually
is: Being, in example, genetically engineered without actual electronic
aspects in it, one should think it would be same as threatened by EMP
as an ordinary human would be. Maybe it's a matter of defining
"machine", as a first thought?
K.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicant#Organic_or_Machine.3F
Lynn
Probably depends on what you mean by "machine."
My understanding: replicants are purely biological. They're
manufactured, but not with electronics (which would be subject to EMP).
If they contained electronics and mechanical parts (metal or composite
bones) the Voight-Kampff test would not have been needed -- you could
detect the mechanical bits directly, and probably at some range.
Or so it seems to me. Biological-mechanics -- organic machines.
The Quiet American
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I don't think meat popsicles are vulnerable to an EMP.
Dan
Netrunner
Replicant Erin Lindsey covertly transmitting a message to renegade
friends in alt.fan.blade-runner. Tracking...
My understanding is that they are purely biological. They are
genetically designed to be like humans (i.e. with human DNA), but
"better" (at least in specific ways, like strength and agility). Their
brains are also programmed in some way, but again, would seem to be
basically the human brain. And in the end, that is the problem isn't
it? They are essentially human and end up having the same desires.
Never mind the EMP, if they were full of metal or electronics, a
standard airport security scanner would identify them.
Netrunner
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The thing about replicants being partly mechanical or fully organic never
seem to have been properly sorted out - I seem to recall Joe turekell
describing scenes involving replicants showing mechanical parts. Which I
think was a remnant of older scripts...
Lynn
> The thing about replicants being partly mechanical or fully organic
> never seem to have been properly sorted out - I seem to recall Joe
> turekell describing scenes involving replicants showing mechanical
> parts. Which I think was a remnant of older scripts...
Exactly. Why the messy psychological, subjective, V-K test if all you
really needed to do is borrow a wand from the nearest airport?
Erin Lindsey
True. Though I'm wondering if they thought this part through
completely...I just read Rutger Hauer's "All these moments" book, and
it describes actual mechanical parts as having been incorporated into
the Replicants. I'm just having flashbacks from the Matrix thinking
about it ("BLOW THE EMP!")
In any case, thanks everyone for your responses!
andy7
I think they might be remembering the effects dummy that according to
the crew looked awful and fake, so they instead ran tubing up Rutger's
arms to make Joe's eyes bleed. Since the script said that after Batty
kills Tyrell, he realizes that he wasn't the real Tyrell, and later
finds the frozen one with Sebastian, it would be an easy conclusion to
make at the time that the fakeness of the effects dummy was
intentional. I am pretty sure the Replicants were supposed to be 100%
organic in the movie. IIRC correctly the only other way to tell if one
was a replicant was with a post mortem spinal tap.
Andy
Alfie [UK]
<e-ma...@from.BRmovie.com> wrote:
>My understanding is that they are purely biological. They are
>genetically designed to be like humans (i.e. with human DNA), but
>"better" (at least in specific ways, like strength and agility). Their
>brains are also programmed in some way, but again, would seem to be
>basically the human brain. And in the end, that is the problem isn't
>it? They are essentially human and end up having the same desires.
>
I was always under the impression that they were purely biological
too. They're not referred to as Robots, or Cyborgs but as Androids,
Synthetics and 'skin-jobs'.
The, mostly theoretical, field of Biorobotics (a school of
Bioengineering) theorises the approach of using repetitive genetic
engineering to create living organisms. The University of Reading
worked on a project that 'grew' a functional 'brain' from neuronal
tissue which then used electronic inputs from a robot to control the
robot. It was also possible to train/program the brain for particular
input/output responses.
Whilst we might be lagging behind the 2019 vision, Bio-roids are
probably in our future somewhen.
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The Quiet American
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"Bio-roids"? Sounds damned painful, mate!
DR
Lukas Mariman
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The manga/anime Appleseed features artificially created humans, and are
called bioroids there as well. (The term is also used in other anime
apparently, such as Robotech.)
Netrunner
We're not computers, Sebastian, we're physical.
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> We're not computers, Sebastian, we're physical.
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Like!
Alfie [UK]
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>> "Bio-roids"? Sounds damned painful, mate!
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>The manga/anime Appleseed features artificially created humans, and are
>called bioroids there as well. (The term is also used in other anime
>apparently, such as Robotech.)
Yup, having first seen the term Bio-roid (Biological Android) in
manga/anime I found it funny when I saw it used in academic papers on
Biorobotics :)
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