Mason's age
Alemann
was, he's thirty-two.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
Knew that. And according to the second Completed Files book Irene was
killed on July 1st.
Amanda
Alemann
> Knew that. And according to the second Completed Files book Irene was
> killed on July 1st.
>
> Amanda
I was about to say the same thing. :)
It make sense, though. If Vision was about a year inactive, as it was
stated in Double Vision, and she began her vendetta early June, that
would be the possible time frame of Irene's murder. And now we can
also establish the time frame of the first three OVAs. Late June,
early July. :)
I saw also another discrepancy in the first book. In there, Linna is
nineteen, and Priss is twenty. All the fan sites, including Raven's
Garage, state the reverse.
Also, were there other Completed Files books, and is it all covered in
the B-Club?
Alemann
Amanda Stair
There are two Completed Files books, the two small B-Clubs, and the B-
Club Special. I think it's safe to assume 1 and 2 take place pretty
close to each other, but I always figured 3 took place near the end of
'32, or at least a few months after 2, as there's little reference to
the events of the past two episodes. Presumably Linna has had time to
grieve and move on, and the Sylia/Mason battle has had time to build
up and finally come to a head.
Amanda
Dartz
I set dates on my fic starting 23 years after I first posted it. It
works. Really, does it kill our enjoyment if we don't know the exact
date everything happens? This sort of pedantry sucks the fun out of
everything, and is the reason I started loosing interest in Evangelion/
EVA-fandom.
I think the RPG rulebook put it best... "Unexplained Tech is better
than Stupid Tech"
Replace Tech with Whatever you want, and use it.
Mason's middle-aged, Sylia is 'different' to normal people somehow,
and a new powerful motorslave appeared out of nowhere to save Priss'
hide in Red Eyes, before never being seen again. Plot-bunnies keep the
story moving.
-Dartz
Alemann
> I think it's safe to assume 1 and 2 take place pretty
> close to each other, but I always figured 3 took place near the end of
> '32, or at least a few months after 2,
Blow Up occurs soon after Born To Kill. If had to be specific, in
about two to three weeks.
> as there's little reference to
> the events of the past two episodes.
Quincy's refers to Mason's blunder with the superboomer, and Sylia's
reviews what Mason did in her Data Room. It's presented in a style
that alludes to recent happenings. Next to that, Nene's statement in
Revenge Road about how they don't have any new jobs coming for some
time doesn't make sense (Revenge Road happens in January.) if it
didn't happen several months ago in early July.
> Presumably Linna has had time to
> grieve and move on,
When facing tragedy she's more collected than Priss; it doesn't take
her much time to move on.
> and the Sylia/Mason battle has had time to build
> up and finally come to a head.
The build up was the first two OVAs. If there's a prolonged time of
inactivity, the cumulative effect of the Black Box scandal and Irene's
death loses steam. Sho's mother's death was the thing that broke the
last straw.
Alemann
Rob Kelk
<zanzib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 26, 9:20=A0pm, Amanda Stair <ksyumekoc...@aol.com> wrote:
>> I think it's safe to assume 1 and 2 take place pretty
>> close to each other, but I always figured 3 took place near the end of
>> '32, or at least a few months after 2,
>
>Blow Up occurs soon after Born To Kill. If had to be specific, in
>about two to three weeks.
Both your and Amanda's positions are conjecture, not canon, correct?
>> as there's little reference to
>> the events of the past two episodes. =A0
>
>Quincy's refers to Mason's blunder with the superboomer, and Sylia's
>reviews what Mason did in her Data Room. It's presented in a style
>that alludes to recent happenings.
Did we watch the same OAV? Sylia's and Mason's reviews both included
events that took place when Sylia was a child; that's hardly "recent".
> Next to that, Nene's statement in
>Revenge Road about how they don't have any new jobs coming for some
>time doesn't make sense (Revenge Road happens in January.) if it
>didn't happen several months ago in early July.
Nene's a police officer; from discussions with various police officer
friends of mine, I know that their definition of "a long time between
major events" isn't the same as ours.
>> Presumably Linna has had time to
>> grieve and move on,
>
>When facing tragedy she's more collected than Priss; it doesn't take
>her much time to move on.
We haven't seen *how* Linna faces tragedy, besides setting it aside in
the heat of the moment to take revenge. So many Japanese characters do
that that it's a trope; it says nothing about how the characters cope
once the revenge is taken.
>> and the Sylia/Mason battle has had time to build
>> up and finally come to a head.
>
>The build up was the first two OVAs. If there's a prolonged time of
>inactivity, the cumulative effect of the Black Box scandal and Irene's
>death loses steam. Sho's mother's death was the thing that broke the
>last straw.
Somehow, I doubt that GENOM would have risked testing combat Boomers in
downtown MegaTokyo is there was still an uproar over the Black Box
scandal - it seems more likely that they would have waited a few months
to let official attention turn elsewhere.
As for Sho's mother... Priss always was the headstrong, impulsive one.
Why shouldn't she be headstrong and implusive that time as well?
--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> e-mail: s/deadspam/gmail/
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear
of childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis
Amanda Stair
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:26:06 -0700 (PDT), Alemann
>
> >On Aug 26, 9:20=A0pm, Amanda Stair <ksyumekoc...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> I think it's safe to assume 1 and 2 take place pretty
> >> close to each other, but I always figured 3 took place near the end of
> >> '32, or at least a few months after 2,
>
> >Blow Up occurs soon after Born To Kill. If had to be specific, in
> >about two to three weeks.
>
> Both your and Amanda's positions are conjecture, not canon, correct?
The only hard dates given anywhere are in Double Vision and Scoop
Chase. The July 1st thing was written on a rough sketch of Irene's
headstone in the second Completed Files book, but as it wasn't
reproduced anywhere else that date probably isn't set in stone. When
the others take place is, yes, mere conjecture on my part. I just
think it's reasonable to assume (though you know what they say about
people who assume) that 3 took place after a little bit of time had
passed. Assuming no episodes overlap, 4-6 take place pretty close
together, though 4 and 5 are apparently far enough apart that Priss'
leg had had time to mend. But again, no hard dates, so it's just more
conjecture on my part.
Amanda
Alemann
> Both your and Amanda's positions are conjecture, not canon, correct?
Plausible conjecture.
> Did we watch the same OAV? Sylia's and Mason's reviews both included
> events that took place when Sylia was a child; that's hardly "recent".
I asking myself the same thing, because what you just said is false.
Mason is reviewing the data gathered around the Knight Sabers. The
computer is making possible predictions of who's behind the recent
events, because the Knight Sabers did thwart his plans twice. It spats
out Sylia as a child, and then it proceeds to make a simulation of her
how she's supposed to look ten years older. He isn't quite sure of it,
his last words confirming it.
> Nene's a police officer; from discussions with various police officer
> friends of mine, I know that their definition of "a long time between
> major events" isn't the same as ours.
Yeah right, like the writers went to a police station and studied
their way of expression.
> We haven't seen *how* Linna faces tragedy, besides setting it aside in
> the heat of the moment to take revenge. So many Japanese characters do
> that that it's a trope; it says nothing about how the characters cope
> once the revenge is taken.
Linna faces tragedy in a somber, down-to-earth way. She wasn't
destroyed by her parent's death and her conversation with Reika
clearly shows her attitude.
> Somehow, I doubt that GENOM would have risked testing combat Boomers in
> downtown MegaTokyo is there was still an uproar over the Black Box
> scandal - it seems more likely that they would have waited a few months
> to let official attention turn elsewhere.
The official attention was on USSD.
> As for Sho's mother... Priss always was the headstrong, impulsive one.
> Why shouldn't she be headstrong and implusive that time as well?
I don't understand what you mean by this.
Alemann
Alemann
> Why shouldn't she be headstrong and implusive that time as well?
Actually I do. :) Yeah she's impulsive, but she makes such a thing
again in a similar context in Red Eyes. It took a successive chain of
events comprising Sylvie's death, her selfdeprecation, encounter with
Largo etc. to cause a similar reaction.
Alemann
Alemann
> The only hard dates given anywhere are in Double Vision and Scoop
> Chase. The July 1st thing was written on a rough sketch of Irene's
> headstone in the second Completed Files book, but as it wasn't
> reproduced anywhere else that date probably isn't set in stone. When
> the others take place is, yes, mere conjecture on my part. I just
> think it's reasonable to assume (though you know what they say about
> people who assume) that 3 took place after a little bit of time had
> passed. Assuming no episodes overlap, 4-6 take place pretty close
> together, though 4 and 5 are apparently far enough apart that Priss'
> leg had had time to mend. But again, no hard dates, so it's just more
> conjecture on my part.
>
> Amanda
The best period to put Red Eyes is in summer. In Sylia's apartment
they all wear summer clothes. Unfortunately, Double Vision's dating
makes it erroneous.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
They're also in bathing suits using Sylia's pool at the end of Revenge
Road, in the middle of what's supposed to be WINTER. What's your
point?
Amanda
Alemann
> They're also in bathing suits using Sylia's pool at the end of Revenge
> Road, in the middle of what's supposed to be WINTER. What's your
> point?
>
> Amanda
There isn't a winter storm in Scoop Chase, either. It's 2032 were
talking about. Global warming did took its toll. :)
Alemann
Amanda Stair
It rarely snows in Tokyo, even today. Three inches there is
considered major.
Amanda
Amanda Stair
Oh, but wait. You said we MUST go by everything in the OVA. Double
Vision specifically says the Texas incident is March 26th and the rest
is June 10th-13th (IIRC). So by golly, if it says the events take
place in June then they MUST take place in June. Are you saying the
OVA is, gasp, WRONG? Doesn't that fly in the face of everything
you've said up to this point? The fact they're wearing summer clothes
in Red Eyes means nothing. Heck, here in Colorado we have the
occasional 55-degree day in the middle of winter, just warm enough for
a T-shirt and shorts. Maybe it just *happened* to be a beautiful,
warm sunny day at the end of Revenge Road, when they're wearing
bikinis in winter. Or *happened* to be a warm day when Priss quit.
Who knows. But you can't just brush off the hard dates in an episode
just because you say they're wearing clothes unsuited to what the
weather *should* be like at the point in time the episode BEFORE
supposedly takes place in.
Then again, maybe 6 and 7 do overlap. Let's say Red Eyes is in May,
for example. That would be warm enough for everyone to be wearing
summery clothes. We don't know if 6 and 7 overlap. Maybe they do.
There are no hard dates in 6, so it's possible. Or maybe they don't.
Does it matter? Maybe Sonoda just decided to have them wear something
different for a change for the heck of it.
Amanda
Alemann
> Oh, but wait. You said we MUST go by everything in the OVA. Double
> Vision specifically says the Texas incident is March 26th and the rest
> is June 10th-13th (IIRC). So by golly, if it says the events take
> place in June then they MUST take place in June. Are you saying the
> OVA is, gasp, WRONG? Doesn't that fly in the face of everything
> you've said up to this point? The fact they're wearing summer clothes
> in Red Eyes means nothing. Heck, here in Colorado we have the
> occasional 55-degree day in the middle of winter, just warm enough for
> a T-shirt and shorts. Maybe it just *happened* to be a beautiful,
> warm sunny day at the end of Revenge Road, when they're wearing
> bikinis in winter. Or *happened* to be a warm day when Priss quit.
> Who knows. But you can't just brush off the hard dates in an episode
> just because you say they're wearing clothes unsuited to what the
> weather *should* be like at the point in time the episode BEFORE
> supposedly takes place in.
Amanda, I wrote that putting Moonlight Rambler and Red Eyes in summer
is made erroneous by Scoop Chase's dating.
> Then again, maybe 6 and 7 do overlap. Let's say Red Eyes is in May,
> for example. That would be warm enough for everyone to be wearing
> summery clothes. We don't know if 6 and 7 overlap. Maybe they do.
> There are no hard dates in 6, so it's possible. Or maybe they don't.
> Does it matter?
Moonlight Rambler and Red Eyes do overlap with Double Vision. Let's
review:
Tinsel City ~ 26 - 28 July, 2032
Born To Kill ~ 29/30, June - 1 July, 2032
Blow Up ~ 13/14 July - 15/16 July, 2032 - my guess, take it with a
reserve
Revenge Road ~ January, 2033
Double Vision (prelude) ~ 26 March, 2033
Moonlight Rambler/Red Eyes - unknown. If I really had to, mid May
2033; a week most between them.
Double Vision (the rest) ~ 10 - 13 June, 2033
Scoop Chase ~ 11 December, 2033 - 19 December 2033
An interesting note is that in Moonlight Rambler, we do get some kind
of a date - 26th September, 2033. On the DYN list, it's categorized as
a TSU, because the years on Sylia's computer is 2032. I don't know if
this should be understood as the episode's date, but that's early
autumn.
> Maybe Sonoda just decided to have them wear something
> different for a change for the heck of it.
>
> Amanda
Didn't Sonoda stopped working on BGC during the middle of Moonlight
Rambler? Regardless who did it, the Knight Sabers were best dressed in
that episode from all of them, IMNSHO. For some reason, notable effort
went into it. Just another reason why Red Eyes is an excellent
episode.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
> On 28 kol, 19:30, Amanda Stair <ksyumekoc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh, but wait. You said we MUST go by everything in the OVA. Double
> > Vision specifically says the Texas incident is March 26th and the rest
> > is June 10th-13th (IIRC). So by golly, if it says the events take
> > place in June then they MUST take place in June. Are you saying the
> > OVA is, gasp, WRONG? Doesn't that fly in the face of everything
> > you've said up to this point? The fact they're wearing summer clothes
> > in Red Eyes means nothing. Heck, here in Colorado we have the
> > occasional 55-degree day in the middle of winter, just warm enough for
> > a T-shirt and shorts. Maybe it just *happened* to be a beautiful,
> > warm sunny day at the end of Revenge Road, when they're wearing
> > bikinis in winter. Or *happened* to be a warm day when Priss quit.
> > Who knows. But you can't just brush off the hard dates in an episode
> > just because you say they're wearing clothes unsuited to what the
> > weather *should* be like at the point in time the episode BEFORE
> > supposedly takes place in.
>
> Amanda, I wrote that putting Moonlight Rambler and Red Eyes in summer
> is made erroneous by Scoop Chase's dating.
Just because there's six months between Double Vision and Scoop
Chase? That means nothing. If anything, there's lot of fanfic
potential to be had there.
>
> > Then again, maybe 6 and 7 do overlap. Let's say Red Eyes is in May,
> > for example. That would be warm enough for everyone to be wearing
> > summery clothes. We don't know if 6 and 7 overlap. Maybe they do.
> > There are no hard dates in 6, so it's possible. Or maybe they don't.
> > Does it matter?
>
> Moonlight Rambler and Red Eyes do overlap with Double Vision. Let's
> review:
>
> Tinsel City ~ 26 - 28 July, 2032
>
> Born To Kill ~ 29/30, June - 1 July, 2032
>
> Blow Up ~ 13/14 July - 15/16 July, 2032 - my guess, take it with a
> reserve
>
> Revenge Road ~ January, 2033
>
> Double Vision (prelude) ~ 26 March, 2033
>
> Moonlight Rambler/Red Eyes - unknown. If I really had to, mid May
> 2033; a week most between them.
>
> Double Vision (the rest) ~ 10 - 13 June, 2033
>
> Scoop Chase ~ 11 December, 2033 - 19 December 2033
>
> An interesting note is that in Moonlight Rambler, we do get some kind
> of a date - 26th September, 2033. On the DYN list, it's categorized as
> a TSU, because the years on Sylia's computer is 2032. I don't know if
> this should be understood as the episode's date, but that's early
> autumn.
Could be the date of the report Sylia is reading (if we go by the '32
part). But again, any dates besides those in 7 and 8 are pure
speculation, on my part, on your part, on anybody's.
Amanda
Dartz
Seems more likely that when they were writing the story, they didn't
know/care too much about dating. Date's can be whatever you want them
to be... hell, I'm planning to concatenate a good chunk of Revenge
Road, Moonlight Rambler, Red Eyes and maybe even a hint at Double
Vision.... because it'll make for a more interesting fic.
-Dartz
Amanda Stair
>
> - Show quoted text -
"BGC in 36 Seconds?" :)
Amanda
Rob Kelk
<zanzib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 28 kol, 01:02, robk...@deadspam.com (Rob Kelk) wrote:
>> Both your and Amanda's positions are conjecture, not canon, correct?
>
>Plausible conjecture.
>
>> Did we watch the same OAV? Sylia's and Mason's reviews both included
>> events that took place when Sylia was a child; that's hardly "recent".
>
>I asking myself the same thing, because what you just said is false.
>Mason is reviewing the data gathered around the Knight Sabers. The
>computer is making possible predictions of who's behind the recent
>events, because the Knight Sabers did thwart his plans twice. It spats
>out Sylia as a child, and then it proceeds to make a simulation of her
>how she's supposed to look ten years older. He isn't quite sure of it,
>his last words confirming it.
>
>> Nene's a police officer; from discussions with various police officer
>> friends of mine, I know that their definition of "a long time between
>> major events" isn't the same as ours.
>
>Yeah right, like the writers went to a police station and studied
>their way of expression.
They went halfway around the world, to Chicago, before writing "Gunsmith
Cats". Why is it so hard to believe they'd drop by the local police
station before writing BGC?
>> We haven't seen *how* Linna faces tragedy, besides setting it aside in
>> the heat of the moment to take revenge. So many Japanese characters do
>> that that it's a trope; it says nothing about how the characters cope
>> once the revenge is taken.
>
>Linna faces tragedy in a somber, down-to-earth way. She wasn't
>destroyed by her parent's death and her conversation with Reika
>clearly shows her attitude.
>
>> Somehow, I doubt that GENOM would have risked testing combat Boomers in
>> downtown MegaTokyo is there was still an uproar over the Black Box
>> scandal - it seems more likely that they would have waited a few months
>> to let official attention turn elsewhere.
>
>The official attention was on USSD.
The official attention was *from* USSD...
>> As for Sho's mother... Priss always was the headstrong, impulsive one.
>> Why shouldn't she be headstrong and implusive that time as well?
>
>I don't understand what you mean by this.
>
>Alemann
--
Alemann
> They went halfway around the world, to Chicago, before writing "Gunsmith
> Cats". Why is it so hard to believe they'd drop by the local police
> station before writing BGC?
That was Sonoda for his comic; not Artmic and Youmex. Did Suzuki went
to MIT Artificial Intelligence lab before he thought up boomers?
> The official attention was *from* USSD...
The USSD is in a deep scandal. Even if it claimed that Genom tried to
steal the Black Box, no one would believe them, and they would be in
deeper trouble then before. It's one thing to say the satellites fired
by themselves, and another that they built a device like the Black Box
causing greater public uproar by it, and who knows which UN laws and
regulations they broke with it.
Alemann
Alemann
> Knew that. And according to the second Completed Files book Irene was
> killed on July 1st.
>
> Amanda
When Mason killed Katsuhito in 2022, he was the exact age as Sylia
began her mercenary activities. Ironic, isn't it?
Alemann
Dartz
Not especially.
Just a little bit of a coincidence that the writers probably never
even thought of. Even if Sylia does seem 20 years older than she
actually is....
-Dartz
Alemann
> Just a little bit of a coincidence that the writers probably never
> even thought of.
I didn't say it wasn't.
> Even if Sylia does seem 20 years older than she
> actually is....
>
> -Dartz
Sylia looks great.
Alemann
Amanda Stair
I think he meant Sylia looks old for her age. When I first saw BGC/
Crash I would've guessed she was in her thirties, so imagine my shock
when I heard at the beginning of the show she was 22. (And that Priss
was only 19.)
Amanda
Alemann
> I think he meant Sylia looks old for her age. When I first saw BGC/
> Crash I would've guessed she was in her thirties, so imagine my shock
> when I heard at the beginning of the show she was 22. (And that Priss
> was only 19.)
>
> Amanda
Anime characters never look their age. And isn't Priss 20 at the
beginning?
Alemann
Amanda Stair
Different sources alternately list her age as 19 or 20, but being that
her official birthday is in 2013, then yes, she was 19 at the
beginning.
Amanda