Designing the Gryphon, one piece at a time....
Dustin Kopplin
what has always interested me was the Gryphon from Revenge Road.
To me, with the right kind of tuning and car, that can be the ultimate
machine on the roads, unstoppable to anyone who try and oppose it, and
your screwed if your in a motorcycle gang.
For me, i happen to like the second upgrade Gibson does to the car,
the one with the extended spoiler and the rally headlights in the
front. The type of car i would pick is the Ferrari Enzo, do a custom
body kit for the front for the headlights and add a spoiler very
similar to this car. For the engine, make the necessary tuning for the
car and have a way to get extra air intake (like the fan in the back
and the scoops in the front and on the hood of the car as well).
Then find a way to put that into a computer to moniter everything and
add some sweet cameras on the rear, and you got it.
Ive gotta run, but ill add more on this later. Your welcome for
suggestions and if you happened to think of a better car to use, post
it.
Dartz
Can I suggest something for the engine?
The Griffon uses a normal internal combustion engine... and it also
seems to use a turbine engine aswell. This goes well beyond normal
turbocharging. Perhaps it might be a turbo-compound engine?
Exhaust gas from the engine, drives a turbine, which drives a
compressor... which forces more air into the engine. That's a
turbocharger. It still wastes a lot of energy from the exhaust
however. Howsabout hooking the turbine up through a gearbox to the
engine output, so power from the exhaust gasses can be recovered and
put down to the ground.
Something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Nomad
Still one of the most efficient aero-engines ever built. It was built
in 1954
You get the benefits of turbocharging, aswell as sucking every last
ounce of go from your fuel. And if you really want to have fun, you
can use any leftover oxygen in the exhaust to burn more fuel and
generate more power in the compressor! I *love* this sort of thing,
it's fun because you can really go a bit wild.
-Dartz
Dustin Kopplin
Yea, i didnt put to much thought in the engine, due to the fact i was
in a rush for work.
The idea for the power for that engine would be coming from turbine
engine, because the more air the more power. The only down side is the
fact that Ferrari sucks enough fuel as it is (12 ish miles on the
highway, 6-8 for the city) so adding a souped up turbocharger would
guzzle more gas. My idea engine would be grabbing more power from air
than fuel, so that it can go longer without having to hit up a gas
station every 20 minutes (depending on how fast your going). I would
like to stick to a Ferrari engine for the fact that they perform
better when it comes to power, and necessary tuning would make it near
unstopable. But the only way I can think of to make the engine more
fuel efficant would be to reprogram the CPU, but at the same time that
loss for power as well.
Then again, adding an additional fuel tank would be about the same,
but only problem is it would add more weight to the vehicle. Im not
sure what the limit to what a Ferrari can hold on fuel, but my idea
would be something like 2x 25 gallon tanks or more realisticly ( 20
gallon tanks are rather big) something like 2x15 gallon tanks, and the
vehicle have have an internal switch to switch tanks, like the Ford
F150 models from 20 some years back where they had 2x 20 gallon tanks.
I love your thinking, but when your on the run from the cops, you can
get far but it doesnt help you would be sitting on the side of the
road 10 miles ahead with no fuel, and i hate to be the person to leave
behind a vehicle like that.
Alemann
> Ive gotta run, but ill add more on this later. Your welcome for
> suggestions and if you happened to think of a better car to use, post
> it.
1973 Ford Falcon XB GT
Alemann
Dustin Kopplin
I know... i thought of the same thing too. But the Ford Falcon is a
FR, not MR.
Dartz
Here's the thing... under certain circumstances, turbocharging can
improve the fuel efficiency of a vehicle. And what I'm proposing is
more than plain turbocharging... I'm proposing we recover power from
the gases in the exhaust and put it through some form of gearbox to
the engines output.... this power would normally come out the back end
of the car as noise and heat and be wasted. Essentially, it is free
energy (not actually, it's already there, we're just harnessing it).
Anyway, we're going to have to make big power to make big speeds. Big
power demands big fuel consumption anyway. Bugatti Veyron makes
1000bhp, to do 400+kph. It runs out of fuel in 12minutes. It runs out
of tyres in 15 minutes. Anyway, the thing that'll hold us back at that
speed would not be weight, but raw drag. To double your speed, you
need at least 4 times the power.
Weight has no effect on terminal velocity.... it only affects the rate
of change of velocity (acceleration). We could weigh 5 tonnes, make
2000bhp, and still do 5-600kph. Just take a little longer to get
there. We can carry the fuel and armour, if we're willing to take time
to get to top speed. 40 Gallons is a lot of petrol.... even if we pull
1Mpg or less, that's still 40 miles at full throttle, and you're not
going to be making near 2000bhp constantly.... you don't drive
everywhere flat out.
How fast was Gibsons Griffon again?
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On Oct 21, 2:07 am, Alemann <zanzibar.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1973 Ford Falcon XB GT
> Alemann
IC what you did there
Alemann
> How fast was Gibsons Griffon again?
335 MPH, according to RPG.
Alemann
Dustin Kopplin
Alright, i see what your saying.
Even with the 2x 15 tanks to me would be sufficant, depending on where
you are. If you could go flat out half of the time, you can
guesstimate about 50 or so miles before you have to refuel again.
Also i would think the more weight the more sturdy, but you need power
to back it up as well. But by making it lighter, the handling would
improve, and you need to move quick at a split second at high speeds
if something was infront of you.
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> How fast was Gibsons Griffon again?
335 MPH, according to RPG.
Alemann
Thats... still quite a bit of speed.
Dartz
The problem is, at speed... if you're too light, you'll just lift
right of the road unless you use aerodynamic help. The problem with
using aerodynamic help, is that it increases drag a great deal,
limiting top speed, and requiring just as much power to overcome.
We're looking for outright speed, not necessarily acceleration, right?
Also, I think we'd want something with slow, stable handling, rather
than something quick and flighty. Problem with having a flighty car at
speed is that it's almost impossible to keep it on the straight and
narrow.... do you really want to risk spinning out at 450-500kph? The
Griffon uses big tyres and generates a lot of mechanical grip... It's
build to go fast in a straight line, and run into the side of a tank
without breaking.... how do we do this well?
Also.... while I was trawling wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls_Royce_Griffon
Mmmmm.... 2000 bhp. And we could use it as a structural element of the
car it's so big. Like F1. If anything with 37 litres and 2000bhp could
be 'like' F1
-Dartz
antagonist
So why not use these 'fuselage fences' that were banned from the Formula 1
a couple of decades ago? Improves handling, top speed, you name it, and
all for an inconsequential amount of drag.
Antagonist
Dustin Kopplin
Dude, there is no way thats going to fit in a Ferrari Enzo, unless my
depth preception is off looking at the photo.
If this was going in a car, it would have to be something rebuilt from
the ground up to fit this engine. Plus i see what your saying about
having a car to light, the Gryphon was heavy and had reinforced body,
which would explain why Gibson could blast through that parking garage
cement barracade and the car not having a scratch on it (or nothing
animated on the car to resemble as scratch).
Dartz
We're going to end up with a 'grandfather's axe' here. This is the axe
of my grandfather, my father replaced the handle and I replaced the
head, is it not my Grandfather's axe? Heh.... a cyberpunk car. Where
does the Enzo end, and the cybermonster being? the boomeroid question
reduced to the bare metal as it were.