Funding help

[starn...@earthlink.net]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2098132481/it-could-be-magic?ref=email

Just thought those of you with a few dollars to spare might want to help out a fellow author. Ouch. I think I just sprained my tongue.
CA Sharon

[beanz]

On Nov 14, 8:15 pm, starns0...@earthlink.net wrote:
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2098132481/it-could-be-magic?ref=...

>
> Just thought those of you with a few dollars to spare might want to help out a fellow author. Ouch. I think I just sprained my tongue.
> CA Sharon

or maybe you can just help me instead. This asking for money thing
sounds great so I thought maybe I'll join the bandwagon. It's just in
the maybe I'll do it maybe I won't do it stage. Maybe you can help
me with my Magic Be It Could project. I just need to $100,000 to
start. I'm sorry, Barry won't be getting any of the money though. It
will all have to go to my start up costs. Thanks. Love ya!
Peace! :O)

[Angel]

Maybe if she got a day job she could fund her passion/obsession. Surely that would beat begging on the WWW YET AGAIN.
COME ON HH, a little dignity and self discipline can go a long way.

[Dawn]

If she had a book that is a unique fictional piece (I'm thinking JK Rowling here), she would have a better shot at getting a publisher.

The problem with her memoir, for me, is I know children who have overcome a lot as well. I'm sure we all know someone like that.

[Totosmom]

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:15:50 PM UTC-8, starn...@earthlink.net wrote:
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2098132481/it-could-be-magic?ref=email Just thought those of you with a few dollars to spare might want to help out a fellow author. Ouch. I think I just sprained my tongue. CA Sharon

Shameless.

[KJM]

Beanz, spew alert please. I will be a good person today. One word WOW.

[bookworm]

Is this for real? I mean I read her blog but I don't believe it! Now I know she is eleven bricks shy of a full dozen. I have a friend who has written several books and in no way has ever begged for money to publish any of them. Does she even have the thing written yet? How bizarre!

[beanz]

On Nov 14, 11:23 pm, beanz <getbacktowhereyouoncebelon...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[beanz]

On Nov 15, 12:07 pm, beanz <getbacktowhereyouoncebelon...@gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VETB1VcbYdU&feature=endscreen

[dcsharon]

On Nov 14, 10:15 pm, starns0...@earthlink.net wrote:
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2098132481/it-could-be-magic?ref=...
>

> Just thought those of you with a few dollars to spare might want to help out a fellow author. Ouch. I think I just sprained my tongue.
> CA Sharon

George Takai (yes, THAT George Takai) just offered copies of his book
(downloadable) for $9.99. If you pre-ordered you received a bonus
chapter.

But maybe someone will throw in the $2500 and she'll faint.

In all my years of fan-dom, now I can actually say I've seen it all.

(DC) Sharon

[Junie]

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:58:52 AM UTC-6, bookworm wrote:

> Is this for real? I mean I read her blog but I don't believe it! Now I know she is eleven bricks shy of a full dozen. I have a friend who has written several books and in no way has ever begged for money to publish any of them. Does she even have the thing written yet? How bizarre!

Oh, it's for real all right.
Shamefully and shamelessly for real.

She wrote the book already...BUT, it's up to the public - $3000.00 later, to get it published for her!!

She wrote:
"My part is complete, the book is written, but as we all know, everything takes a certain amount of resources, and that's where you come in. I'm asking you take a chance on me, invest what you can and purchase an advance copy of my book, which I know you'll enjoy."

She then goes on to say:
[Snip to] "I'm a pro at social networking, marketing and promoting, once the book can be held in my hand, the sky's the limit to how far I can take it as I'll devote every second of my time to spreading the word by whatever means are available."

Did you catch that? "ONCE THE BOOK IS HELD IN MY HAND"

Really?!?!? Is she for real?

She wants the public to pay for her publishing so she can continue to make money on it long into the future, in essence providing income to support her - even though she says "A portion of all proceeds I receive for a purchase of the book, in any form, will be donated to the Manilow Fund."

A wise person once said:

To aim for your passion you have to get off your arse and go earn the money, not scrounge off people who work their arses off to get where they are.

[Suzan]

> The problem with her memoir, for me, is I know children who have overcome a lot as well. I'm sure we all know someone like that.

I agree. I have to give some credit to ANYONE who tries to write a book--it's a huge effort, regardless of whether the final product is good or not. However, reading her flowery prose about a happy housewife who was inspired by a Barry Manilow song to re-evaluate her life and make some changes...well, it just doesn't appear to have enough plot to maintain my interest, let alone make me open my purse.

But if someone else wants to read her memoir or wants to support her publishing efforts and get a free keychain(!) and a thank-you note, that's fine--I hope they enjoy it. No one is forcing me to donate.

I do have a question, though. We have a number of authors on this string. Just for my curiosity's sake, is $3000 a reasonable amount for the costs of self-publishing a novel? I honestly have no idea what the costs would be.

[Brenda M]

No, it is not a reasonable amount at all.

I self-published a book for a third of what she's asking, and that was
many years ago when print-on-demand technology was fairly new (and
expensive).

Whoever's telling her she needs three grand to self-publish is out to
scam her.

Brenda

[Angel]

I would say it is the other way around. She is out to scam, and it would`nt be the first time, would it. She is renowned for her pleading. Though it seems often that some sucker falls for whatever she`s asking for.

[Dawn]

I'm curious to see if Garry or Barry assist her with the fundraising?

Dawn

[Dawn]

Exactly. The reader needs a compelling reason to pay out money for a book, and that is for one that is already in print.

I'm sure it depends on the printers, # of pages, etc. I do know a professional editor (one who will work with you on the manuscript) can run in the thousands of $.

Didn't she e-publish a book?

[marvin]

>
> I would say it is the other way around. She is out to scam, and it would`nt be the first time, would it. She is renowned for her pleading. Though it seems often that some sucker falls for whatever she`s asking for.

I agree with Angel- it sounds like a scam. It is OK for her to plea for money if she represents a not for profit organization, but she is not a not for profit organization.It is also OK for her to ask for money as investors in a private enterprise (which this is) if she states that the investors, as partners, are entitled to a share of her profits or royalties, but she is not offering that either, so all you have left is to ask somebody to ask for money for something that only you will profit from and that is a scam. Marvin

[marvin]

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:22:12 PM UTC-5, Dawn wrote:
> I'm curious to see if Garry or Barry assist her with the fundraising?
>
>
>
> Dawn

She has a lot of chutzpah (yiddish for "nerve") so it would not surprise me if she would ask Barry, Garry or any other celebrity she knows for money for her project. Marvin

[Totosmom]

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:32:46 PM UTC-8, Junie wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:58:52 AM UTC-6, bookworm wrote: > Is this for real? I mean I read her blog but I don't believe it! Now I know she is eleven bricks shy of a full dozen. I have a friend who has written several books and in no way has ever begged for money to publish any of them. Does she even have the thing written yet? How bizarre! Oh, it's for real all right. Shamefully and shamelessly for real. She wrote the book already...BUT, it's up to the public - $3000.00 later, to get it published for her!! She wrote: "My part is complete, the book is written, but as we all know, everything takes a certain amount of resources, and that's where you come in. I'm asking you take a chance on me, invest what you can and purchase an advance copy of my book, which I know you'll enjoy." She then goes on to say: [Snip to] "I'm a pro at social networking, marketing and promoting, once the book can be held in my hand, the sky's the limit to how far I can take it as I'll devote every second of my time to spreading the word by whatever means are available." Did you catch that? "ONCE THE BOOK IS HELD IN MY HAND" Really?!?!? Is she for real? She wants the public to pay for her publishing so she can continue to make money on it long into the future, in essence providing income to support her - even though she says "A portion of all proceeds I receive for a purchase of the book, in any form, will be donated to the Manilow Fund." A wise person once said: To aim for your passion you have to get off your arse and go earn the money, not scrounge off people who work their arses off to get where they are.

Another wise person once said "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Bonnie

[Kittenmommy]

On Nov 15, 10:58 am, bookworm <jnnwlk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:15:50 PM UTC-7, starn...@earthlink.net wrote:

> >http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2098132481/it-could-be-magic?ref=...

>
> > Just thought those of you with a few dollars to spare might want to help out a fellow author. Ouch. I think I just sprained my tongue.
>
> > CA Sharon
>
> Is this for real? I mean I read her blog but I don't believe it! Now I know she is eleven bricks shy of a full dozen.

Right? She's totally a fissured ceramic*!

*A term coined by the late Carl Sagan. I bet you can figure out what
it means! ;)

[starn...@earthlink.net]

I published my novel "Sky Blue Orange" as a print version using CreateSpace at absolutely NO COST to me. I also used Amazon's KDP to publish the ebook, again at zero cost. No one needs to pay to be published nowadays. There might be a cost for an artist to do the cover (unless you have talented friends like I do!) and I suppose you could pay for a professional editor (even after four edits, there were STILL minor errors in mine) but there is no need for $3000 unless you plan to go to New York in January and see Barry. wink wink.
CA Sharon

[dcsharon]

>> but there is no need for $3000 unless you plan to go to New York in January and see Barry. wink wink.
> CA Sharon

Ya think??

(DC) Sharon

[Junie]

Don't forget Barry's shows at the McCallum Theatre in December.
Oh - and rent...and Christmas...and a new glam outfit with sparkly high heels.

[bookworm]

Maybe you should post on her blog and tell her that, Sharon? I wonder if she has posted about this on MMN? I'm not a member there so can't check to see.

I bet (in her mind) she feels justified in doing this because she said she plans on giving a 'portion' of this to the Manilow Fund. I guess that's supposed to make all of this ok? Rubbish!

This whole thing is just so far out there, it boggles the mind. Personally, I wouldn't have the guts to beg for funds. She should save up no matter how long it takes. According to the emails flying around, the majority feel she is a total wash and have no intentions of getting involved in this. Maybe she should ask her friend Bruce Fessier of the 'Desert Sun' or contribute? I'd be interested in knowing if she gets any gullible takers. JW

[KJM]

OK fess up, who bunged in the first $10?

Remind me, was there not a Barrygram warning peeps off scam making among the fandom yonks back?

Not impressed personally, I will always encourage someone with a dream to follow it, but this lass has overstepped boundaries IMO, it's just too way too much, too far, accompanied by more neck than a giraffe.

However, would lurve me a new pair of sparkling heels, and frock to match, mail me for my PayPal address. Wink Wink.

[bookworm]

If I remember correctly, KJM, the bmifc sent out an email (maybe a Hotline message?) telling everyone NOT to lend or give anyone any money EVER. It was quite a while agobut maybe they should put out the message again? So many have been duped by others it was really bad. Just because you have contact with people online, it doesn't mean you actually know these people so you have to use common sense and be careful. Even if you've met them at some kind of Barry function, you still don't know them and most of these takers are on their best behavior when they dupe people.

I can name at least a few of them right now but one at the top of the list realy sticks out in my mind. She IS the ultimate TROLL! She has used so many with good hearts with NO intentions of ever paying anyone back. People have learned the hard way and word got around about her so hopefully the 'lending' has stopped where she is concerned. This person even went as far as stealing someone's credit card numbers and tried to use them to book a Convention package. Luckily, the balance on the card wasn't enough to pay the whole thing so the lady with the card was notified by the bmifc about it and that's how she found out! Do you believe the audacity of this thief? It takes all kinds. JW

[KJM]

Yes I can believe the temerity of some people JW, sadly. I think it was on here the Barrygram duping got a mention, I never ever had a Barrygram, was out of the fandom for so long.

Never ever have I classed people I correspond with online as friends, I am very wary of the internet anyway, my real friends I know and have known for years.

I dont get Facebook, never will, I think the function 'friends' is so wide of the mark its untrue, yes you may some real friends on it, but someone I know have several thousand friends, and I was left sat here scratching my head, but you know these people, but she insisted they were her real friends. Bonkers.

Paper, pen, stamp communication for me, or the telephone for me all the way.

[denise....@gmail.com]

Bookworm wrote:

I wonder if she has posted about this on MMN? I'm not a member there so can't check to see.

No she hasn't as far as I can see.

[bookworm]

I don't think she would because that's self promotion and that would probably get deleted since it's not allowed.

[shado...@gmail.com]

Yes there was a Barry Gram telling fans not to give to other fans.
That happened after some fans begged fellow members in a local BMFC
to help them with their living expenses. The fans who were asked to
help these fans out told the BMIFC about them. Who wants to purchase
a book written by someone who decides to move to Palm Springs to be
near the person who changed their life.She use to work at the Desert
Sun but she doesn't work there anymore. Yes Barry did say "Don't give
up your dreams. I didn't so don't you." However Barry didn't say "Drop
everything and move near me since I changed your life." She could have
stayed where she originally live and written her book. Barry, Garry and
the BMIFC may not have as much control on facebook and doesn't have any
control on her It Could Be Magic.com site. So they really may not be able
to do much to her. Oh they can talk to but as they say "Talk is cheep." or
"It goes in one ear and out the other."
Linda

[Kittenmommy]

On Nov 16, 12:50 pm, KJM <ka...@tkcc.org.uk> wrote:

> more neck than a giraffe.

Oh, LOL! :D

[wyldp...@gmail.com]

Here's the main problem I see with her book, it's about HER. Who is she that anyone would care? She's a lady who abandoned her family to move half way across the country to be near a celebrity. She involves herself in anything in Palm Springs that she thinks Barry would be interested in with the obvious hopes of getting on the inside somehow. And her life is SO much better now that she's been unemployed for years and still can't find a job. Sure it is. She goes on and on about following her 'dream', thing is her dream is something she can't have... Barry. Read anything she writes and it's painfully obvious that's what she wants, to be in Barry's life.

This woman has issues, she's obsessive and IMO a stalker, and she needs a reality check badly. So let's start with this HH, you aren't a very good writer, that's why you can't find a job as a writer anywhere, and that's why no publisher will pick up your "book". Let's continue with this HH, you will never be in Barry's life. Accept those two things and maybe you can actually move forward with your life in some fashion instead of being stuck in this holding pattern of wishful thinking.

[skinny...@gmail.com]

On Friday, November 16, 2012 8:43:33 PM UTC-8, wyldp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here's the main problem I see with her book, it's about HER. Who is she that anyone would care? She's a lady who abandoned her family to move half way across the country to be near a celebrity. She involves herself in anything in Palm Springs that she thinks Barry would be interested in with the obvious hopes of getting on the inside somehow. And her life is SO much better now that she's been unemployed for years and still can't find a job. Sure it is. She goes on and on about following her 'dream', thing is her dream is something she can't have... Barry. Read anything she writes and it's painfully obvious that's what she wants, to be in Barry's life.
>
>
>
> This woman has issues, she's obsessive and IMO a stalker, and she needs a reality check badly. So let's start with this HH, you aren't a very good writer, that's why you can't find a job as a writer anywhere, and that's why no publisher will pick up your "book". Let's continue with this HH, you will never be in Barry's life. Accept those two things and maybe you can actually move forward with your life in some fashion instead of being stuck in this holding pattern of wishful thinking.

Boy...you sure hit the nail on the head! I was curious and "tried" to read the introduction to her so-called "book" and it was so nauseating that I could not get through it! She's an opportunist, pure and simple. Hopefully most Barry fans are smart enough not to be taken in.

[Totosmom]

On Friday, November 16, 2012 9:50:58 AM UTC-8, KJM wrote:
> On Friday, 16 November 2012 16:38:46 UTC, bookworm wrote: > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 10:37:36 PM UTC-7, starn...@earthlink.net wrote: > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:26:33 PM UTC-8, Suzan wrote: > > > > > > > > The problem with her memoir, for me, is I know children who have overcome a lot as well. I'm sure we all know someone like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. I have to give some credit to ANYONE who tries to write a book--it's a huge effort, regardless of whether the final product is good or not. However, reading her flowery prose about a happy housewife who was inspired by a Barry Manilow song to re-evaluate her life and make some changes...well, it just doesn't appear to have enough plot to maintain my interest, let alone make me open my purse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if someone else wants to read her memoir or wants to support her publishing efforts and get a free keychain(!) and a thank-you note, that's fine--I hope they enjoy it. No one is forcing me to donate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do have a question, though. We have a number of authors on this string. Just for my curiosity's sake, is $3000 a reasonable amount for the costs of self-publishing a novel? I honestly have no idea what the costs would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > I published my novel "Sky Blue Orange" as a print version using CreateSpace at absolutely NO COST to me. I also used Amazon's KDP to publish the ebook, again at zero cost. No one needs to pay to be published nowadays. There might be a cost for an artist to do the cover (unless you have talented friends like I do!) and I suppose you could pay for a professional editor (even after four edits, there were STILL minor errors in mine) but there is no need for $3000 unless you plan to go to New York in January and see Barry. wink wink. > > > > > > CA Sharon > > > > Maybe you should post on her blog and tell her that, Sharon? I wonder if she has posted about this on MMN? I'm not a member there so can't check to see. > > > > I bet (in her mind) she feels justified in doing this because she said she plans on giving a 'portion' of this to the Manilow Fund. I guess that's supposed to make all of this ok? Rubbish! > > > > This whole thing is just so far out there, it boggles the mind. Personally, I wouldn't have the guts to beg for funds. She should save up no matter how long it takes. According to the emails flying around, the majority feel she is a total wash and have no intentions of getting involved in this. Maybe she should ask her friend Bruce Fessier of the 'Desert Sun' or contribute? I'd be interested in knowing if she gets any gullible takers. JW OK fess up, who bunged in the first $10?

Probably did it herself....you know, seed money, trying to make it look like there may be some real interest. A real con artist if ever I saw one.

Bonnie

[mmi...@ascap.com]

I think the part where she says her part is done, the book is written is a direct lift from Barry's interviews about Harmony when he was asked why he didn't just fund it himself. He often said that he did his part amd wrote it. It was then time for investers.

Why would I want to read someone's story of how Barry changed their life? Don't we all have similar stories to tell? Might be nice at a fan club convention to swap stories, but that's about it.

Maria

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[Dawn]

I was thinking of something nice to pass on to kids and grand kids down the road.

[wyldp...@gmail.com]

I noticed that part also, where she said HER part is done. That struck me as so arrogant, her saying WE are responsible now for getting her book published, and that is exactly what she is saying. How is it anyone else's problem to get HER book published? I don't see it.

Who would want to read it anyway? *open book start reading* "I'm totally obsessed with Barry Manilow to the point that it's plain sad" *the end, close book*. There, I just saved everyone the pain of slogging through her overly dramatic and flowery prose. You're welcome.

[Dawn Bushman]

The problem with the line of thinking that her part is done is only
partly true. Yes, she got the book finished. The problem is, getting
a publsher to pay for the publishing is an agents job. That is what
they are there for, if you are going for a traditional publishing route
in print. Finding the agent is the author's job, so her part, in that
respect, isn't done.

If the author chooses to skip that route for a less traditional route,
then they bear the responsibility for securing a publisher or finding a
way to get it published themselves. She is working as a freelance
author, which makes a lot of difference.

To be honest, there are a lot of people dealing with a lot of issues
(unemployment, poverty, health issues) plus those who are still
recovering from Hurricane Sandy. That is where my focus and prayers
are directed towards these days.

JMHO.

Dawn

[beanz]

On Nov 17, 11:08 pm, Dawn Bushman <dawnbushm...@cox.net> wrote:

I'm hoping the shows Barry is doing collects a few dollars to help the
relief efforts for those affected by Hurrican Sandy. If I remember
correctly his last shows in Palm Springs his fans were allowed to
choose which charities their platinum money goes to. Things seem to
be going slowly for those in New Jersey and New York. Almost seems
more slower than when Haiti was hit so hard. Barry feels compassion
towards his fellow New Yorks as well as most of his fans.

Then there is always his "bestest" fan in PS that thinks otherwise,
tweeting of all things they, the U.S. are wimps. :O( There's always
one isn't there? Always. Making Barry and his fans look bad for the
world. How magical is this?

Helen Holdun @HelenHoldun

Pondering; natural disasters are not new. How is it in days gone by,
they didn't wreck the economy? Have we all become wimps?

[wyldp...@gmail.com]

And she flagged this topic for abuse along with a bunch of the posts LOL. She was crying about it on her facebook a few days ago now the topic is flagged, so anyone think it wasn't her? Nope, me either. She said we knew nothing and had everything wrong but instead of "setting us right" she wants the topic removed. Total weenie.

[beanz]

On Nov 21, 2:26 pm, wyldpla...@gmail.com wrote:
> And she flagged this topic for abuse along with a bunch of the posts LOL.  She was crying about it on her facebook a few days ago now the topic is flagged, so anyone think it wasn't her?  Nope, me either.  She said we knew nothing and had everything wrong but instead of "setting us right" she wants the topic removed.  Total weenie.

OMG I accidently flagged this. So very sorry. I was looking to find
how something was flagged.

[Dawn Bushman]

Well, it's blocked on Google Groups, but it's still on the alt.net.
Those of us who use a different reader can still read the posts - and
post something ourselves.

Dawn

[Kittenmommy]

On Nov 22, 2:55 am, Dawn Bushman <dawnbushm...@cox.net> wrote:

> Well, it's blocked on Google Groups, but it's still on the alt.net.
> Those of us who use a different reader can still read the posts - and
> post something ourselves.

I use Google Groups and obviously I can see this and reply, so...

[Kittenmommy]

On Nov 16, 11:43 pm, wyldpla...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here's the main problem I see with her book, it's about HER.  Who is she that anyone would care?  She's a lady who abandoned her family to move half way across the country to be near a celebrity.  She involves herself in anything in Palm Springs that she thinks Barry would be interested in with the obvious hopes of getting on the inside somehow.  And her life is SO much better now that she's been unemployed for years and still can't find a job.  Sure it is.

How is she surviving if she doesn't have any kind of income?

> She goes on and on about following her 'dream', thing is her dream is something she can't have... Barry.  Read anything she writes and it's painfully obvious that's what she wants, to be in Barry's life.

Run, Barry! RUN!

> This woman has issues,

She has *subscriptions*.

> she's obsessive and IMO a stalker, and she needs a reality check badly.

Yep.

> So let's start with this HH, you aren't a very good writer, that's why you can't find a job as a writer anywhere, and that's why no publisher will pick up your "book".  Let's continue with this HH, you will never be in Barry's life.  Accept those two things and maybe you can actually move forward with your life in some fashion instead of being stuck in this holding pattern of wishful thinking.

Yeah, something tells me she's not gonna take that advice.

[jaama...@comcast.net]

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:30:06 AM UTC-5, Angel wrote:

>
>
>
> Maybe if she got a day job she could fund her passion/obsession. Surely that would beat begging on the WWW YET AGAIN.
>
> COME ON HH, a little dignity and self discipline can go a long way.

It seems that she started work today at the Palm Springs Follies, whose star attraction until the end of the year is.....Lorna Luft.

[beanz]

That's what is so disturbing, she inserts herself to where Barry might
show up, inserts herself in Barry's collegues lives (that was very
nice of Enoch Anderson to take her out for lunch, so I heard) and now
garnering employment where his friends (Lorna Luft) is working. Barry
did himself no favors mentioning that restaurant he likes to treat his
friends for a meal when they come for a visit. If it were me, I'd be
asking my lawyer about how to deal with something like this. This is
such a terrible situation. I'm sure Barry's fans are totally appalled
by such behavior as I am. As far as I'm concerned if TPTB can ban
someone from their websites then they should be able to stop someone
from doing what she is doing. Something should really be done about
this.

[beanz]

On Dec 3, 11:39 am, beanz <getbacktowhereyouoncebelon...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Also, there should be a yellow post-it-note put on her chair then
money refunded for those upcoming McCallum shows. I don't know why
Barry's TPTB do nothing.

[Suzan]

> That's what is so disturbing, she inserts herself to where Barry might
> show up, inserts herself in Barry's collegues lives (that was very
> nice of Enoch Anderson to take her out for lunch, so I heard) and now
> garnering employment where his friends (Lorna Luft) is working.

You forgot Scott Nevins and Monica Pege, among others.

[beanz]

I didn't forget. There are more. I know. Even Kief himself. The
garden parties. They all had a hand in creating this mess.

[marvin]

>
> >
>
> > It seems that she started work today at the Palm Springs Follies, whose star attraction until the end of the year is.....Lorna Luft.
>
>
>
> That's what is so disturbing, she inserts herself to where Barry might
>
> show up, inserts herself in Barry's collegues lives (that was very
>
> nice of Enoch Anderson to take her out for lunch, so I heard) and now
>
> garnering employment where his friends (Lorna Luft) is working. Barry
>
> did himself no favors mentioning that restaurant he likes to treat his
>
> friends for a meal when they come for a visit. If it were me, I'd be
>
> asking my lawyer about how to deal with something like this. This is
>
> such a terrible situation. I'm sure Barry's fans are totally appalled
>
> by such behavior as I am. As far as I'm concerned if TPTB can ban
>
> someone from their websites then they should be able to stop someone
>
> from doing what she is doing. Something should really be done about
>
> this.

I don't like her begging for money as any one of us. I am not sure what kind of work HH is doing for the Palm Springs Follies, but most people will not hire anyone for pay unless they feel they can be outstanding at what the position demands, so I want to give her the benefit of the doubt that she earned her job with the Palm Springs Follies and wasn't hired because someone wanted to do her a favor. Marvin

[beanz]

One thing Kief should make HH do is make her say that she has no
affilliation with Stillitto or Barry Manilow or any celebrity
whatsoever that is with Stilletto and that they do not endorse any of
HH's projects or her "It Could Be Magic" website. She should be made
to say that.

Some people think she is affiliated with Manilow. It's time to
separate the fan from the celebrity.

You are, as always Marvin, too kind. And I, as always, am not. :O)

[Brenda M]

You know, you're assuming a lot.

How do you know Barry's people didn't help her get that job? Barry obviously likes her ... She's been backstage, and not through any platinum purchase (that is my understanding...I could have, of course, been misinformed). And If Barry's people did think of her as a stalker, do you think she would have had this much access to him and his friends? Or continue to?

Face it. Maybe a lot of fans think she's creepy, but that doesn't mean he does.

Brenda

[jaama...@comcast.net]

On Monday, December 3, 2012 3:29:54 PM UTC-5, Suzan wrote:
>
>
> You forgot Scott Nevins and Monica Pege, among others.

Scott Nevins has been on her list for quite some time. In fact, Wednesday night she'll be at a show where he is the emcee. Nevins has been in the company of Lorna Luft for several occasions.

[shado...@gmail.com]

Why should Barry's people help her get a job? She should be able to get her
own job without anyone's help. She had a job at the Desert Sun but she lost
it. Either she left because she wanted more or else she got fired from there.
All she cares about is following Barry's advice "Don't give up your dreams I didn't so don't you" and following him. Her dream must have been to be rich,
famous and live in Palm Springs near Barry. Also to be Barry's un-offical public relations person. Barry has Howard Bragman at Fifteen Minutes PR firm
for that. Now would any of you like to know someone who has no life other
than you? Meaning your the only thing this person is interested in. Nothing
else out there matters to them but you. I'm pretty sure Barry wouldn't want
any of us to be that way or to spend 24/7/365 on him. Everyone who lurks or
posts over here has a variety of things we're intrested in along with Barry.
However I wonder if she has anything else in her life besides Barry? Helen
got her non platinum meet and greet so her youngest son could meet Barry.
Because Helen felt he needed to meet Barry in person. Now whether he wanted
to meet Barry I don't know. Also a lot of fans remember when she posted over
at the Barry Net a lot. I remember when fans asked her if she was going to
Barry's Hollywood Bowl show because they wanted a review from her. It looked
like she did more Barry Manilow stuff than regular work when she worked at
the Desert Sun.
Linda

[annak...@gmail.com]

There are times when lines should be drawn, and this is one of those times. Discussing someone's family or employment should be off limits. You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is more than likely totally innocent. Someone could read this and the woman loose her job because you people have her plagued as some stalker. Is this woman hurting any of you with her lifestyle? Does her lifestyle affect yours in any way? You are concerned about woman's job that if she is making minimum wage, she is very lucky. I'm sure she is happy to have employment of any type at this moment. If Mr. Kief were to have had anything to do with assisting her it would have been with his company. How she obtained her employment is no one's business. Let this woman live her life the way she seem fit for her and her family. Life is just too short. Live yours.

[Kittenmommy]

IMO, Barry's CreepDar is in serious need of recalibration.

[wyldp...@gmail.com]

On Monday, December 3, 2012 9:13:42 PM UTC-6, annak...@gmail.com wrote:
> There are times when lines should be drawn, and this is one of those times. Discussing someone's family or employment should be off limits. You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is more than likely totally innocent. Someone could read this and the woman loose her job because you people have her plagued as some stalker. Is this woman hurting any of you with her lifestyle? Does her lifestyle affect yours in any way? You are concerned about woman's job that if she is making minimum wage, she is very lucky. I'm sure she is happy to have employment of any type at this moment. If Mr. Kief were to have had anything to do with assisting her it would have been with his company. How she obtained her employment is no one's business. Let this woman live her life the way she seem fit for her and her family. Life is just too short. Live yours.

HH puts it all out there for everyone to see, brags about it mostly, trying to act like a big shot. Anything she puts in the public arena is fair game. And don't think that neither Barry nor his people don't see her for what she is. HH will always be on the outside looking in.

[naj...@earthlink.net]

On Monday, December 3, 2012 9:44:58 PM UTC-8, wyldp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> HH puts it all out there for everyone to see, brags about it mostly, trying to act like a big shot. Anything she puts in the public arena is fair game. And don't think that neither Barry nor his people don't see her for what she is. HH will always be on the outside looking in.

Yeah. This and more.
CA Sharon

[Dawn Bushman]

On 2012-11-15 03:15:49 +0000, starn...@earthlink.net said:

> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2098132481/it-could-be-magic?ref=email
>
> Just thought those of you with a few dollars to spare might want to
> help out a fellow author. Ouch. I think I just sprained my tongue.
> CA Sharon

Just as a follow up on this, I saw this article and thought I'd share.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/technology/innovation/kickstarter-ship-delay/index.html?iid=Lead&hpt=te_r1


Dawn

[Patricia]

I have no interest in this woman's project -- the last thing the world needs is yet another self-published (which costs absolutely zero, by the way) treacle-fest -- but I did find the Kickstarter concept interesting. I have a friend who's a real writer who's run into some financial problems that are interfering with his work in a really fundamental way (meaning he lives in a remote area and his computer, which connects him to the world and allows him to submit his work anywhere he needs to, is dying). I mentioned this resource to him and he might give it a try to raise what he needs to replace his computer. Couldn't hurt. Thanks for the heads up.

[Dawn Bushman]

On 2012-12-04 05:40:56 +0000, NighDarke said:

> On Monday, December 3, 2012 9:13:42 PM UTC-6, annak...@gmail.com wrote:

> HH puts it all out there for everyone to see, brags about it mostly in
> fact, going around trying to act like a big shot. Anything she puts in
> the public arena is fair game. And don't you make the mistake of
> thinking that neither Barry nor his people see her for what she is, an
> obsessed fan. She will always be on the outside looking in.

Deleting posts on this usenet only works for those using Google Groups.
Those of us using a news reader can still get the posts people try to
delete. Something to keep in mind.

[dcsharon]

Looks like this project has closed ... She didn't make her goal by 12/14.

(DC) Sharon

[bookworm]

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:48:03 PM UTC-7, dcsharon wrote:
> Looks like this project has closed ... She didn't make her goal by 12/14.
>
>
>
> (DC) Sharon

Did she actually get any donations at all? It was crazy from the start. I would be too embarrassed to beg for money like that. JW