Best Albums
#1, ie best of all: Even Now....Every song a classic. Was nominated for
Album
of the Year Grammy against "Saturday Night Fever"
and should
have won. This, to me, is Manilow's "Tapestry."
#2: One Voice... Like Even Now, except a tad less
commercial,
a tad more sophisticated. The perfect balance.
#3: 2:00 AM Paradise Cafe... The album that won over
every
every critic.
#4: Swing Street... The most underrated album of Barry's
career.
Full of the energy and creativity reminiscent of
the first albums of
Barry's career. If Barry had released this at the
prime of his
popularity, it would have sold 10 million.
#5: Barry Manilow Live... Campily captures what Barry
was like
at the zenith of his popularity.
Worst Albums
#1, ie worst of all: Summer of '78...Shockingly un-updated and unimaginative
remakes of the original songs, as proven by the
fairly
significant and much-needed remixing of every
song released
as a single.
#2: Manilow Sings Sinatra...No matter how much you try
to forget
Frank's versions, you just can't, and the
comparison is not pretty.
Proves even to the most-hardcore of us Barry fans
that Barry is
the second-greatest showman of our time.
#3: Barry Manilow, the purple album...Barry's last
all-original album,
filled with bad song selections and a couple of
very good ones
#4: Barry, 1980...Barry's first album that didn't chart
high after his
phenomenal '70s success, features bad songs as
well
#5: The much unneeded faux Greatest Hits I, II and III
repackagings.
I say "faux" because these were not the real 1978
and 1983
Greatest Hits and Greatest Hits Vol. 2 albums,
and reflect
so many of the recent re-compilations that Arista
has released
when we fans would have liked new material
instead.
1) 2:00 AM Paradise Cafe: While this is not my favorite CD (a little too
slow-moving for my personal taste) I still think this was one of the most
daring -- and successful -- attempts Barry ever made at "breaking out of his
mold." This CD made me intensely proud of him as an artist.
2) If I Should Love Again -- I think this was Barry's best pop album of the
80's. With such incredible songs like the title cut and "Fools Get Lucky," how
could he lose? This album could have done a lot more commercially if Arista
had gotten off their duffs and promoted it a bit.
3) Even Now -- Some of the best cuts off this CD were never released as
singles, including my favorite, "I'll Be Leavin' in the Morning."
4) Swing Street -- Yes, even though there were a few remakes on this one, I
don't think it was remembered mostly for that. I can't think of this CD
without thinking of the title cut and, of course, "Big Fun" (which Barry does
not do often enough in concert to suit me!) Creatively, Barry was still
peaking at this point.
5) The Boxed Set -- I thought Marc did a fantastic job putting this collection
together. It could have been really lame, but I think it was an awesome
representation of the diversity of Barry as an entertainer and an artist.
And now, the worst:
1) The Sinatra CD ... I never listened to anything that sounded less like Barry
Manilow in my life. I'm sure he has a much better time with these songs on a
stage, but in the studio he sounded like he was going through the motions and
putting very little of his soul into these songs.
2) Summer of '78 -- I have to admit, I was a bit biased against this one
because throughout the 70's, when Barry was recording his own music and riding
high on a wave of popularity, he kept saying, over and over, how he HATED 70's
pop music. So, when I listened to this collection, it seemed as though Barry's
apathy was dripping all over the place. I never thought this thing was Barry's
idea as much as it was Aritsta's.
3) One Voice -- This song has some excellent cuts, but overall I found the
album to be gloomy ... songs like "Ships" and "Sunday Father" I found to be
whiny as hell, but I have to admit I liked "Who's Been Sleeping in My Bed,"
and, of course, the poor bastard hit he never sings anymore, "When I Wanted
You," one of the greatest hits of his career. I will always be amazed that
"They Gave Into The Blues" was left off this album; was a great attitude song!
That was one of the most inspiring songs he ever sang, in my opinion.
Okay, I could only come up with three I really didn't like .... go ahead, rip
me to shreds!
For my money, the best albums of Barry's career have been "Even Now" and "Barry
Manilow Live". Two awesome albums that capture fully the reason Barry is still
one of my favorites. "Live" still gets to me, and I can still sing every word
by heart. Wow.
The worst is an album I don't even know the name of. It came out in the mid
'80s and featured some really lame songs. I wish I could remember the name of
this album. I know that he worked with new producers on this one, and it may
have been for another label??? Someone come to my rescue, please.
I would have to say that while I don't think it was the best, one of my
favorites is the "Live on Broadway" CD. Really energetic and fun, and the
gonzo medley is fab!!!
Amy
1) If I Should Love Again (Title track, Fools Get Lucky, Old Songs, No
Other Love, ...)
2) Live on Broadway (Some Good Things Never Last, Best Seat in the
House, If You Remember Me, Gonzo Hits Medley)
3) Manilow (Some Sweet Day, If You Were Here With Me Tonight, Sweet
Heaven)
4) 2:00 am Paradise Cafe (If only for "When October Goes")
5) Nancy Wilson - With My Lover Beside Me (All of these are great
songs!)
There are no albums that I don't like, but some of my least favorite
songs are:
1) Live version of "Memory"
2) "Rain"
3) "At the Dance"
4) "I Wanna Do it With You"
5) "Bobbie Lee"
IMHO,
Jerry
1) Live version of "Memory"
****
Hear, hear!
Honestly, he's done that song on just about every tour since it came out in the
80's ... if I have to see him melodramatically throw out that hand and sing,
"Touch me, it's so easy to leave me," just one more time ...
Great idea!!!
IMHO, five of Barry's greatest lps are
1. EVEN NOW simply beautiful music. somewhere in the night has always been
an all-time favorite of mine. although "non-hits", sunrise, ...the one in your
life, and where do i go from here are fabulous. my favorite album cover, as
well.
2. THIS ONE'S FOR YOU not every song here, but several put this lp in my
top 5. weekend in new england (of course), all the time, looks like we made it
and the title track showcase this man's passion and talent.
3. GREATEST HITS 1978 19 songs and all of 'em hits. enough said.
4. BARRY MANILOW 1989 i realize i may "hear about this" from the group,
BUT, it is a favorite of mine. i play this CD quite a bit. once and for all
and keep each other warm are 2 of my favorites.
5. IF I SHOULD LOVE AGAIN fools get lucky, the title track, no other
love.... man, what a collection!!
HONORABLE MENTION: TRYIN' TO GET THE FEELING :)
my least favorites may be summer of '78, manilow sings sinatra, and singin'
with the big bands....
and i must totally agree with something that was mentioned a bit
earlier....1989's greatest hits vol 1,2, and 3.....THIS WAS TOTALLY
UNNECESSARY.............
a better idea would have been to re-release the '78 greatest hits CD as a 2
disc set with the bonus tracks "you're my only girl (jenny)", "dirt cheap", and
"jump shout boogie" AND, of course re-release the 1984 volume 2 greatest hits,
as well........
dave
>And now, the worst:
>
>1) The Sinatra CD ...
>
>2) Summer of '78 --
Personally, I have to agree with you on your two top picks for worst album,
although I would put them in reverse order. I think that SO78 is the absolute
worst idea that Barry/Arista/whoever could have come up with. And MSS follows
with an extremely close second place. I do disagree about "One Voice" though.
Although it doesn't fall within my top 5 favorites, I think that for the most
part it is a good album. My top 5 favorites would have to be:
1) The Complete Collection-with Disc 4 and Disc 3 being the ones I play most
2) Here Comes The Night
3) Barry Manilow II
4) Manilow (RCA)
5) Barry
Gigi
T-I-double GRRR....that spells Tigger!
I actually find myself agreeing with most of Steven's list. "Even Now",
"One Voice", "Paradise Cafe", and "Swing Street"... are the ones that
seem to land in my CD player most often... especially now that "EN" and
"OV" have been treated to "Masters" editions. I would also add "Barry
Manilow II" to the list. Still trying to find his way, but more sure
about where he's headed than on "Manilow I"... some good stuff on this
album.
"Live" is good too... maybe we'll get lucky and Arista will do a
double-CD "Masters" version of this one that restores all the pieces
they chopped out in order to fit everything on one CD, and includes some
bonus stuff to boot.
And I tend to agree with the picks for worst albums, too.
Anybody who's been in this NG for any length of time knows that I
absolutely loathe the purple album. Overblown, overproduced... Barry
gets lost in the mix. And yet, he does some of the songs from this album
in concert, and does them beautifully... go figure.
SO78 was a wasted effort, with the possible exceptions of "Just Remember
I Love You" and the remix of "...See You Tonight".
The "new" greatest hits albums... yikes. Was there any need to chop up,
rearrange, and reissue the two original greatest hits albums, other than
possibly fattening up Arista's bottom line?
The same could probably be said of "The Manilow Collection: 20 Greatest
Hits"... in trying to fit 20 songs on ONE vinyl disc, sound quality took
a nose dive. At the time, this was supposed to be Barry's last album for
Arista, since he was switching to RCA... and he deserved better. The
only reason I would vote to have this come out on CD is because it's the
only one of Barry's abums to include "Run to Me". (I'm still hunting for
a used copy of Dionne's "Finder of Lost Loves" so I can get this song on
CD.)
Not so sure I agree with the Sinatra album being one of the worst...
although... if I tossed out the hash job of GH 1-3, it just MIGHT fall
into the lower five on my list. It's not a BAD album... but nothing
really stands out, either. I will admit... it got me hunting through
some old Sinatra stuff to hear how "Ol' Blue Eyes" did some of these
songs originally.
In any event, MSS deserved a lot better than it got... Arista
practically ignored it while promoting Whitney Houston to death.
I have to agree. Barry has done this one to death. I have a friend who
carries cookies in her purse, and when Barry starts singing "Memory," it
Snack Break Time. :)
Also, when he sings, "LOOK! A new day has begun," and dramatically
points to the back of the house, invariably people in the audience will
turn to look! LOL!
Scooter
Memory is the one song I fast forward on a regular basis. I didn't like it in
Cats, and I don't like Barry's version any better! " All The Time I thought it
was only me! " I'm so glad to know this song drives other people crazy too!
Lori
When "Memory" first came on the radio, I listened to it a few times, but
after a while when it came on, I turned the volume down until the song
was over. I liked the "live" version a little better, but after hearing
it over the years, I kinda hope that was one Barry would skip during his
performances. I think if he didn't sing it in concert for a couple of
years, I would be ready to hear it again.
As to Barry pointing to the back of the house, I've seen that too. Just
cracks me up!!
Kitty
--
I've got the Manilow Music in me!
Even Now
Eolia Love Songs
Showstoppers
Swing street
And Summer of 78
Least Faves:
Manilow sings Sinatra
Manilow sings Sinatra
Manilow sings Sinatra
Hey I had to list 3!! :-)
Alan
Scooter
MHO - Top Five
1) 2:00 AM-Paradise Cafe - I think this music came from Barry's soul.
2) Barry Manilow I - One Of These Days, Oh My Lady, I Am Your Child,
Could It Be Magic, Sweet Life - There's just something about those first
efforts. Just great!
3) Live - I believe this album had a tremendous effect on non-fans
because it captured the energy that is Barry onstage. Sometimes he can
polish the life out of studio efforts, but this let people who had not
seen him live still feel his electricity on stage.
4) Live On Broadway - Once again, the live performances are magical.
5) Even Now - Full of great songs - with the exception of Copa. On
Barry's "Swing Street" TV special, when he started to follow the babe
into a club that was playing Copa, and said, "No!" and refused to go in
- I believe that spoke volumes about his true feelings about that song!
He's gotten a lot of mileage out of it with the movie, Atlantic City
show, West End show, cruise ship shows, and international recognition.
But I think he's sick to death of it, as am I.
Honorable Mentions
1) The Complete Collection and Then Some - A must-have for any fan, and
also great for converting casual fans into major ones.
2) Because It's Christmas - Just because.
3) Manilow Sings Sinatra - I really like Barry's interpretations of
these songs. He's always done a great job on standards like My Funny
Valentine and How Deep Is The Ocean. Maybe I'm just showing my age. :)
4) If I Should Love Again - The title cut is my second favorite Barry
song (CIBM is the first). Broke my heart that the one and only time I
saw him do it in concert (Palm Springs '94) he inserted a bizarre bridge
and went into Mandy, then came back and finished IISLA. I so wanted to
hear that beautiful piano part in the middle. :(
5) Greatest Hits - '78 - Another must-have because it's a great
collection.
MHO - Worst Five
1) Summer of '78 - When I buy a Manilow CD, and haven't played it more
than maybe a half dozen times . . . I believe this was a "gotta do
something to meet contract terms" album--and it shows.
2) Here Comes The Night - Memory (Ugh), I Wanna Do It With You (I
remember watching him do this on the Tonight Show, and thinking the
civilians are going to think this is really stupid), Some Girls and I'm
Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself A Letter (Barry doing rock-a-billy
just didn't work), Some Kind Of Friend (Flat as a pancake and just
didn't work on the album, but great live).
3) Barry - There is a loneliness and saddness to this album - Lonely
Together, Dance Away, Life Will Go On, We Still Have Time, Rain - Even
the positive songs sound sad - Slit your wrists music.
4) Barry Manilow (The Purple Album) - I don't hate this album (Hi,
Dave!), but it just sits down near the bottom of my list. It has that
sadness that's in the Barry album. [At the beginning of the Broadway
(?) tour in Dec. '87, he closed the show with Please Don't Be Scared.
After a while he quit doing that because he was leaving the entire
audience in tears! He changed back to an upbeat finish.] Once and For
All, Some Good Things Never Last, In Another World - Call the
paramedics! Even without words, the music is so sad. JMHO.
5) GH I, II, III - Total redundancies = Bucks for Arista; Manilow
Collection/Twenty Greatest Hits - Not only redundant, but squishing
twenty songs onto a vinyl lp was just criminal.
Next?
As fans we seem to share a striking similarity of taste when it comes to
BEST and WORST.
Yet I am surprised by one entry in many top lists: If I Should Love Again.
It represents to me where Barry fell off the map as far as the general
public is concerned. And for good reason. The songs fit the descriptions
so often applied to Barry's music by the critics "sappy, saccharine,
syrupy." I can't think of songs more formulaic and overblown than "If I
Should.." and "No Other Love" (can we say 'key changes'?). Thank God they
didn't use the alternate take of IISLA from the Complete Collection!
To be fair I should point out there are a couple gems like the simple,
plaintive "I Haven't Changed the Room" and poignant "Fools Get Lucky."
"Break Down the Door" is a fun song, but doesn't seem to fit on this album.
So it looks like I'm starting in reverse with my list, with the WORST ones
first but in no particular order:
For the reaons already cited in the thread:
Barry
Barry Manilow (purple)
SO78
MSS
If I Should Love Again (for the reasons I cited above)
Barry Live in Britain (a lot of my least favorite songs and not particularly
well-performced. lackluster)
I am compelled to be fair and point out some standout tracks from these
duds:
Life Will Go On
Keep Each Other Warm
In Another World
Never My Love
I'd Really Love To See You Tonight (remix)
Come Dance With Me/Come Fly With Me
Summer Wind
Break Down the Door/Who's Been Sleeping in my Bed (live)
Now for the BEST albums of Barry's career (as I see them) in chronological
order:
Barry Manilow I
This album showed more of a range of what Barry could do and what his career
might have been like. Rockers like Flashy Lady--I always crank the stereo
and no one believes it's Manilow--and Oh My Lady. The swinging cloudburst.
Balladry of I Am Your Child--is this not one of the best songs you've ever
heard?--and One of These Days. And the phenomenal Could it Be Magic, my all
time favorite Manilow song.
Barry Manilow II
This was the first Manilow album I ever owned so it has a special place for
me. Plus it has Mandy, where it all began. Again there's a range of styles
on this album. Rocking Somebody's Baby, swinging Avenue C, touching Sandra
and Early Morning Strangers...
Even Now
I have to agree with what everyone has posted about this album. I will add
however that the greatest track on this album is "I Was a Fool (To Let You
Go)". This album was my ninth-birthday present....I don't think I
appreciated it as much at the time :)
2AM Paradise Cafe
This album makes me proud to be a Barry Manilow fan. I have only read one
bad review of this album (in a Gerry Mulligan biography). The author was a
huge Mulligan fan and offended at the thought that he would work with the
likes of Manilow. Simply snobbery. The album is beautiful.
Showstoppers
No one mentioned this album but I think it is Barry at his vocal best. He
blends so well with this style. The productions suit him as a showman. I'm
not a huge Broadway fan but Barry's album got me to take a closer listen.
Honorable mentions:
Manilow--this album came at the right time for me, plenty of power pop and
dancey tunes for the phase I was going through. I remember the excitement
of seeing Barry all over the place promoting the Copa movie and this album.
Because It's Christmas--there aren't many Christmas albums better than this
one. Good mix of traditional and original stuff (even if it isn't all
arguably Christmas music). It's jazzy and sophisticated.
Complete Collection--for a boxed set this one is tops. And we got a video!
My favorite albums are, in no particular order:
Showstoppers (especially side B)
Singin' With The Big Bands (esp. "Moonlight Serenade")
Swing Street
If I Should Love Again
Boxed Set - Disc 4
(all for no reason, except because I like them!)
My least favorites are:
Summer of '78 (so uninspired)
Barry (the light blue one)
Thanks for starting an interesting thread!
Donna
"I don't want to be led into the 21st Century --
I want to arrive fashionably late."
> Scooter wrote:
> >
> > I have to agree. Barry has done this one to death. I have a friend who
> > carries cookies in her purse, and when Barry starts singing "Memory," it
> > Snack Break Time. :)
For me, it's a great "bathroom break" during the concert.
Carol - NJ
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We may all have forgotten, perhaps just for a moment,
Copacabana: The Grammy Award.
Not his best work, IMHO, but the award nonetheless.
Like it or not, many folks in this world think of that song (and only that
song) when they think of Barry. When you hear Copa at a concert (3
times?!), think of the people who have plopped down their dough hoping to
hear that very tune. Give 'em a break, as Barry does.
These people never saw the movie or the AC review. Sad but true, Barry is a
nostalgia act to many, and Copa is a big part of that. They only know the
commercial hits, guys. They haven't bought anything Barry since Even Now,
and then only bought that one because Copa was such a hot dance tune.
Even Now was such a fave for me, I wore through three vinyl copies and have
a fourth ready to go, still in shrink-wrap.
But not the section with Copa. I am sick of Copa, too. Never cared for it
and was already sick of it when it was popular, but I was glad to hear it
anyway because I knew that the airplay meant Barry was reaching people.
I will watch the clip on the video, though. It reminds me of the "olden
days" under the big mirrored ball. It is also very funny.
I cast my vote for snack time when this one comes along. Got any Kopa
Krispies?
Robbie
And love "Let Me Go". Waaay sexy.
Robbie
Jwcurran wrote in message <19990331215629...@ng99.aol.com>...
>"Daybreak" - stick a fork in it, it's done
>and "Can't Smile Without You" - getting someone up from the audience to
sing
>this one is brilliant showmanship - only way anybody can tolerate the thing
(
>And, yes, I have always screamed and yelled to be picked to sing and when
my
>time comes I will be up there singing a song I hate loud and off-key - but
I
>promise it'll make me feel cheap - HA).
>Jamie
>
>
***
Wow, I didn't know so many fans hated "Memory." We almost have enough folks to
form a support group!
As for Copa ... it was a fun song when it first came out in '78, but after
hearing it 3,000 times I started developing hives and muscle twitches. Imagine
my glee when Barry sang the thing THREE times in concert during the last tour!
Also, Copa was a commercial nightmare .... there was a single, a Spanish
version, a dance version, a movie, a tour, an Atlantic City review and an
overseas musical ... all named after Copa. I'm still waiting for "Copacabana:
The Horrifying Novel," "Copacabana: The Saturday Morning Cartoon" and for
better health: "Copacabana: The Breakfast Cereal."
To quote a saying of which my friend Marge and I are most fond: "Give it up,
Barry.
LET TONY DIE!"
> Also, Copa was a commercial nightmare .... there was a single, a Spanish
> version, a dance version, a movie, a tour, an Atlantic City review and an
> overseas musical ... all named after Copa. I'm still waiting for "Copacabana:
> The Horrifying Novel," "Copacabana: The Saturday Morning Cartoon" and for
> better health: "Copacabana: The Breakfast Cereal."
>As for Copa ... it was a fun song when it first came out in '78, but after
>hearing it 3,000 times I started developing hives and muscle twitches.
>Imagine
>my glee when Barry sang the thing THREE times in concert during the last
>tour!
>Also, Copa was a commercial nightmare .... there was a single, a Spanish
>version, a dance version, a movie, a tour, an Atlantic City review and an
>overseas musical ... all named after Copa. I'm still waiting for
>"Copacabana:
> The Horrifying Novel," "Copacabana: The Saturday Morning Cartoon" and for
>better health: "Copacabana: The Breakfast Cereal."
>
>To quote a saying of which my friend Marge and I are most fond: "Give it up,
>Barry.
Oh my God, I thought I was the only person in the world that truly despised
Copa!!! It is one of those songs on my list of "If I never hear (fill in the
song title) again for the rest of my life, I can die a happy person. And
everytime Barry does a "request" show and someone asks to hear Copa, I honestly
could take a gun and shoot that person. (and I'm not prone to violence)
It was unbelievable to me that with all the wonderful music Barry has in his
catalogue, that he felt it was necessary to do Copa-a reprise of Copa and an
encore of Copa during the last tour.
Least favorites:
1) "Live on Broadway" - I don't know why I never got into this one
2) "Summer of '78" - don't hate it and it did grow on me, but pretty vapid idea
for an album
But they are two songs that I hate, hate, hate:
My favorites include:
1) Paradise Cafe is one of those albums that snuck up on me. I remember
listening to it in my car during a break. Kept staring at the cover and
thinking "It says "Barry Manilow" but is sure doesn't sound like him!" It took
me a couple of years to really 'get it', but I did and it is now one of my top
2 favorite albums.
2) Swing Street - I have to agree with a comment someone here made about it
being one of the most under rated Manilow albums. It reminds me very much of
the first album Barry recorded. Very eclectic, very adventurous, very
different. Yes, a bit dark, but oh so lush....
3) The boxed set brought me back to Manilow. It was an eye opening experience
and started me on the road to collecting the complete collection (no pun
intended).
4) The Sinatra Album. To me this is Barry being Barry, not "Barry Manilow!"
It is a loving tribute done in true Manilow fashion. Lush arrangements,
beautiful vocals and spectacular music. It was not done to be a commercial
seller nor was it done to be "hip".
I really love the early pop albums, probably because I love the genre and
nobody did it better than Manilow, but you know what? I love it when Barry
decided to try different things and not be commercial. Some of my favorite
albums are those odd ventures. "Showstoppers" hit home with me because I love
theatre. When I read the liner notes about the list he compiled of the songs
he wanted to put on the album (500!) I had to laugh. Sounded just like me. I
may not like everything he has done since he changed directions, but I have to
admire the effort and courage to step over the line and try something new.
There are several songs that come to mind (occasionally) when I think of
putting together a truck tape. The dance version of "Hot Tonight" is a
favorite for those 7 a.m. rush hour runs to work. How can you possibly stay
sleepy with that version? "Best of Me" may not always catch me teary, but it
sure hits hard. "Just Remember" and "Just Remember, I Love You" are real
beauties. "Dirt Cheap" is a favorite that I was surprised to find did not make
it onto anything other than a Hits album. I thought it had been released prior
to those 1980's hits collections. "Hey Mambo!" is another good one for long
car trips. "Stardust" just popped into my mind reminding me of several
concerts where Barry treated us to some old classics more in the Sinatra and
Bennet style.
The ultimate tongue twister has to be the live version of "Cloudburst" -- or
whatever that medley was called from the 1977 live album. I still can't begin
to keep up with the lyrics.
As for "Copa", well I was "Copa'd" to death in the last tour. I actually like
the original version and I love the new arrangement with the guitar, but geez
enough is enough!
Thanks for an interesting and lively thread. It's been fun.
Magic
>Also, Copa was a commercial nightmare .... there was a single, a Spanish
>version, a dance version, a movie, a tour, an Atlantic City review and an
>overseas musical ... all named after Copa. I'm still waiting for
>"Copacabana:
> The Horrifying Novel," "Copacabana: The Saturday Morning Cartoon" and for
>better health: "Copacabana: The Breakfast Cereal."
>
>To quote a saying of which my friend Marge and I are most fond: "Give it up,
>Barry.
>LET TONY DIE!"
OH NO .......
Does this mean I should stay lurking ... not posting?
HT
Ohhhhh..how can you SAY that? I LOVE that song!!! I would die to see him do
that one live. I love the piano. And you didn't like "No Other Love" either?
Guess our tastes are just different where those two songs are concerned. But
my all time favorite is "Could It Be Magic" the original version. I guess I'm
with some of the others who have posted that they would like to see Barry do an
instrumental album, but only if it's him and the piano.
Julie
I hated "Copa" so much that when it came out in 78 I completely dropped out of
the "fan thing" for the next 15 years! I couldn't believe that he sang it
three (count em!) three times in concert on the last tour! The ONLY time I've
ever liked that song was the way it was arranged on the A & E Special. I have
to say I did like it that time.
Julie
Your post was hilarious. I read the "stick a fork in it, it's done" part and
laughed myself into a 10-minute coughing fit.
Also, I'll have you know that I was FOURTEEN and had Bay City Roller posters on
my wall! (and if I saw one of those guys walkin' down the street today, I
wouldn't have a clue who it was!)
Thanks for making me laugh!
> It took
>me a couple of years to really 'get it', but I did and it is now one of my
>top
>2 favorite albums.
I agree with you on that one. I love this CD and right now, I'm going crazy
because I have misplaced it somewhere in my house!! I want my "Paradise
Cafe"!!! :-) Anyway, I NEVER expected to like this one, and I especially
never expected to have it as one of my faves...I think I started to come around
to it when I heard Barry talk about it in interviews. It was clear that it was
very special to him and you can hear it in the music. I hope that he does
something that meaningful to him again soon. We're always the winners when
that happens. :-)
Julie
I would have to say that my favorite albums of Barry's are:
1) Singing With The Big Bands-I grew up on Big Band music (my parents are
caught in a 1940's timewarp.) and I'm really hooked on the stuff. SWTBB is
probably one of Barry's best "cover" albums in his career.
2)Copacabana-The Soundtrack.-Although I personally don't care for Copa the
song, I love the soundtrack. Especially Barry's version of Aye Caramba (at
the end) and Who Needs To Dream.
3)Manilow-An album of mostly "rock" style songs was a great change in style
for Barry. And it ended up being a pretty good album in the long run.
4)The Complete Collection-What can I say, everything you could possibly want
from Manilow in the "old" stuff, plus a bunch of new and unreleased songs.
5)This One's For You-Only because the greatest song in the world-Weekend In
New England is on it.
Least Favorite Albums:
1)Summer of 78-It wasn't that great a year the first time around and this
album wasn't much better.
2)Barry Manilow 1989-Whose idea was this album anyway? Those songs were so
great in concert, to bad they were lousy on the album.
3)I know the stones are going to fly over this one, but......Paradise Cafe.
Nothing personal against Barry, but of all the genre's ever, Jazz has got to
be my least favorite in the history of Music. And this one is definitely
Jazz.
SnickelFritz
Be true to yourself. Because you're the one person that you can never
get away from.
Just be careful and make sure you don't get "Copa, the mouthwash" and
"Copa, the suppository" confused... now THAT would be a wake-up call...
Or maybe we can have "Copa... it's a floor wax! No, it's a dessert
topping!" :)
Dave
And I agree about "Daybreak"! Enough.
The album the goes in my CD player the most
is the RCA "Manilow". Just like it for listening. And I am not a "Paradise
Cafe"
fan. I have never cared for it. Everyone else in my family loves it, so I
have to hear it on car trips. Just not into jazz, I guess.
Susan
Then I saw him sing it with Barbara Cook at Carnegie... can't say I'll
play the song to death, but I won't skip it on the Box Set anymore. Go
figure.
Oh, and then there's the other one I can live without... Never Met A Man I
Didn't Like... yikes.
Just my two cents...
Matt
Oh, Matt, my man, in concert when Showstoppers was the tour,
IT WAS A MOMENT AND IT WORKED!!
And the last night of a run in Las Vegas, when he substituted "FAN" for
"man" ?
.....>THUD<!!!!
Candee
I think you'll be ok if you just don't hum it while you post!!
Man Wanted, on the other hand..... yousa!! grin
~~~~~~~~~~~
Candee
Mmmmm.... simple and sweet, crunchy Copa Breakfast Cereal .... with or
without "CopaBananas". :-)
How about daytime drama? "Return to Copa" - the soap opera? Lola moves on
with her life and goes to medical school. Becomes a doctor and vows to save
lives as a reaction to the overwhelming guilt she feels for the untimely demise
of Tony. She faces a moral dilemna when an escapee from prison suffering from
amnesia is none other than evil Rico......
Spin off products could include:
Rico Suave Shampoo and Lola Cola!
>
>To quote a saying of which my friend Marge and I are most fond: "Give it up,
>Barry.
>LET TONY DIE!"
Ah.. this inspires "Copacabana, the retirement village". Spend your remaining
years wheeling to that Copa beat! Floor shows in the dining area.... different
colored feathers for each wing. :-)
On a serious "Copa - the song in a concert setting" note:
I'm tired of Copa too, but think it is one of those songs that the civilians
want to see in concert. While standing in line for tickets, I heard regular
folk say that was one reason they were going to the show. Our t.v. weatherman
even sang a line or two of Copa on air and made mention of it. As long as Copa
is making a buck, it will probably be alive and kicking.
Jackie in SD
(who can't stand the song "I Write The Songs"... and almost refuses to stand
with the rest of the audience for a standing O on that one.)
I'm with you on that one too! I really never cared for the song, but the main
reason that I don't like it is that when it comes along, it means the show is
almost over. :-( I hate it when that happens.
Julie
It's funny, because whenever I find myself in Shubert Alley (in NYC), I always
hear Barry singing that line.
And I do a fine job myself, when I'm singing on the top of my lungs in my
apartment (off-key, who cares? My cats don't know the difference).
I remember a taking a rather long road trip with 2 friends, one of whom adored
that song. She had a tape with every conceivable version of that song on it.
And some of them you couldn't even tell apart ("Oh, didn't you catch the way
Barry changed the last note in the third bar?") About 2 hours into this drive,
when we got her to FINALLY change the tape, we realized that every tape she
had made herself, and every tape in the car had at least 2 versions of Copa on
it. She's lucky we didn't throw her out at the token booth!
I don't care if the song won a Grammy. I always thought it was the most banal
song on earth. Tied for stupidity with "Bermuda Triangle" (but Donna, didn't
you sing that one on stage at Wembley) (yes I did, and I'm not proud).
What a cathartic thread! I feel like a new person. Copa Anonymous, whatta
concept! (right, HT?)
C'mon on people it's fun. ;)
As for Memory, I don't hate it but it is the least favorite song on
that album.
tim
BMeskunas wrote:
> Thanks to one and all for the "Memory" bashing. I absolutely despise that
> song. I'm also not too fond of "Copa". Never liked that song, never will.
>
> ***
> Wow, I didn't know so many fans hated "Memory." We almost have enough folks to
> form a support group!
>
> As for Copa ... it was a fun song when it first came out in '78, but after
> hearing it 3,000 times I started developing hives and muscle twitches. Imagine
> my glee when Barry sang the thing THREE times in concert during the last tour!
> Also, Copa was a commercial nightmare .... there was a single, a Spanish
> version, a dance version, a movie, a tour, an Atlantic City review and an
> overseas musical ... all named after Copa. I'm still waiting for "Copacabana:
> The Horrifying Novel," "Copacabana: The Saturday Morning Cartoon" and for
> better health: "Copacabana: The Breakfast Cereal."
>
dave, always nice to deal with an early SNL fan! :)
dave (the florida one!!)
Hey! How about the "Copamatic," next generation of the "Fishamatic!"
This wonderful new machine is excellent for shredding bad reviews,
chopping up old Neil Diamond records, and mixing Margaritas for the
after-the-show party! :-D
Scooter
Matt,
I never much minded "Never Met a Man" but I ruined it for myself several years
back, during the Showstoppers tour. A smart-ass friend and I were drinking
heavily one night and started perverting this poor little tune until we had
basically rewritten the whole thing and entitled it, "Never HAD a man I didn't
like." The best part was that we could leave a lot of the original lines
intact, like "Never Had a Man I Didn't Like ... High-Falutin' Gent or Bowry
Bum, Yes, I've come ..." well, there's more, but you get the point.
So now, when I play Showstoppers (this is one "cover" CD I actually do enjoy) I
always giggle during that one. It was such a nice song, too. What a shame!
Hey, I know ... we could call our support Group: "Copahaters Anonymous: Come
All!" (and then call it "CACA" for short!)
ROFLMAO! That's hilarious!!!!! God, it never occurred to me how Barry really
"Shatners" it up during that song.....
Kirk: "Bones! There's a boat ... on the line .... where the sea ... meets the
sky! Spock! And it seems .... you and I .... are like strangers ... as we
drift on ... through time ... "
Spock: "That, Captain, is not logical."
McCoy: "It's dead, Jim."
With a name like "Copa", it's GOT to be good!
Ho boy... looks like we got a whole new thread going here...
Dave
I can relate to what my friends and I call "warping" Barry's lyrics...
we came up with the term because we had such a warped sense of humor...
The one I remember the most of was changing "Memory" to "Mammary"... I
think it ended up being a song about breast implants... :)
And of course there have been the few I've posted here on occasion.
Wonder what I ever did with my lyrics to such classics as "Looks Like
Tomatoes" and "Oh My Lanta"? Hmm...
Dave
You wrote:
The one I remember the most of was changing "Memory" to "Mammary"... I
think it ended up being a song about breast implants... :)
Please email me the lyrics, if you still have them. I need something to get
me through that song when he does it in concert again (as he inevitably will!)
Susan C.
>Kirk: "Bones! There's a boat ... on the line .... where the sea ... =
>meets the
>sky! Spock! And it seems .... you and I .... are like strangers ... as =
>we
>drift on ... through time ... "
>*************
>
>Oh, no! Another reason for Brenda to trash "Ships!" LOL..... I know =
>that's always been her favorite, right???
>
--------
This was funny - LOL
deb.....
"I was good then, but now I'm even better...hey look at me, I've shoved it
all in leather..."
There were other, filthier lyrics for the rest of the song, but I don't want
to get kicked off the NG when it took me so long to get on here!
Thanks, Donna, for putting up the WS version of "Ships"...we always groaned
during that part of the Gershwin run, until I mentioned he sounded like
William Shatner...then we'd giggle our way through it...usually in the first
couple of rows...like when you're cracking up in church when you know you
shouldn't be, and you're in the first pew...and the more you try to stop
yourself, the more you laugh...
During the Paradise Cafe tour, during the opening sax music of PC, we'd do
the theme from the "Love Boat"...think about it, it works!
We've "grown up" since then (HA!) - on to Tour 99!!
Gail
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>Brenda...
>
>I can relate to what my friends and I call "warping" Barry's lyrics...
>we came up with the term because we had such a warped sense of humor...
>
>The one I remember the most of was changing "Memory" to "Mammary"... I
>think it ended up being a song about breast implants... :)
>
I love your altered lyrics, and the inspired muse, Dave!
Somewhere, I have the comic strip I contributed to our college newspaper.. and
it parodied Barry singing tidings of "Midterms" to the tune of "Memory".
Finals and midterms. Stressed out times... or so we thought back in those
days.
"Midterms, not a sound in the hallways..."
"No Doze, I've been popping like candy...
caffeine is racing... all through my veins....", that's all of it I can
remember so far. If I ever find it, I could scan it and send it to anyone
interested.
Jackie
> "I was good then, but now I'm even better...hey look at me, I've shoved it
> all in leather..."
> There were other, filthier lyrics for the rest of the song, but I don't want
> to get kicked off the NG when it took me so long to get on here!
<snerk>
<snort>
<cleaning up Diet Coke off keyboard & monitor>
THAT was funny!!!
Would LOVE to see the rest of the lyrics to THIS one...
Dave
I see custom t-shirts in the making. Baseball caps, insignia pins, you name
it.
Magic
>I see custom t-shirts in the making. Baseball caps, insignia pins, you name
>it.
>
Stiletto has done the "Got Barry?" caps. Maybe the next thing we'll see is the
"Got Copa?" caps, t-shirts, pins and shoelaces. I can just see the rush to the
phone to order those from the members of this newsgroup. LOL
Irish Lassie
"A man that can't laugh at himself should be given a mirror"
Muppet
Robbie wrote:
>
> Love the fork comment! That song is pure corn and deserves a multi-tined
> death.
>
> And love "Let Me Go". Waaay sexy.
>
> Robbie
>
> Jwcurran wrote in message <19990331215629...@ng99.aol.com>...
Hey, guys! Should we come up with our own t-shirt design??? Can you imagine
explaining that one to "..."
Don't mind me.... feeling a bit silly today.>Stiletto has done the "Got Barry?"
caps. Maybe the next thing we'll see is
>the
>"Got Copa?" caps, t-shirts, pins and shoelaces. I can just see the rush to
>the
>phone to order those from the members of this newsgroup. LOL
>
>
Magic
Dear Dave:
As the other half of that writing team ...
Not in my lifetime!
Maybe the women's t-shirt could be strategically cut "down to there"...
with a yellow feather design placed along the cut?
Oh jeez... now I'm starting on fashion design. HELP!!! :)
Dave
I just had to throw in a "Copa" story. My 6-year-old daughter begged to
take piano lessons from the time she was 4. I finally started her at six
and she was terribly disappointed that she couldn't just sit right down
and play stuff! Imagine that. She would get so mad when she played the
notes wrong she would slam her hands down on the keyboard and say "I
CAN'T DO IT!" I kept trying to explain that nobody gets it right the
first time, it takes lots of practice, but the words went in one ear and
out the other. One day I remembered the Copa recording on the boxed set
and threw it into the CD player. I told Sam that Barry Manilow didn't
just sit down at the keyboard and "get it right the first time". Then I
played his home recorded version of Copa where he keeps getting "they
fell in love" wrong and he goes over and over it until it's right. Then
they have the full blown song. She was pretty amazed. She kept asking me
to play that part again and again. It was pretty cute, she couldn't get
the whole Copacabana name right and called it Cocobananas for about a
week. But everytime we got in the car she asked me to put it on. I
hadn't heard it for a few years and enjoyed hearing it again, but it
does wear on you after a while. That song will always have little place
in my heart now.
As for my favorite Manilow albums -- I have to say I've enjoyed the
latest ones the best, probably, because they were HIS choices. After
reading Sweet Life, I always, felt that the POP part of his career was a
necessary evil to be able to create and record the kind of music he
really loved - and so do I. I loved MSS, Swing Street, SWT Big Bands. I
think his style is a perfect fit for this kind of music and I can't get
enough of it. I'm a little embarassed to say I never heard Paradise Cafe
until this last Christmas and I fell in love with it. Like someone else
wrote - this music comes from his heart and it shows. I think lots of
people relate only to his pop career and he is so much more than "That
Mandy Guy" Don't get me wrong, I love the earlier stuff too, but I
absolutely adore the jazz/swing/big band sounds he's made. I probably
would never have missed SO78. I never liked too many of those songs when
they were popular, although I enjoyed them more when he did them on his
CD.
it's just that voice . . . . . what more can I say, especially when it
gets that slightly gravelly or weary sound to it. . . .pulls at the old
heart strings --WHEW!
thanks,
pattib
If you like 40's music, someday try playing "Swing Street", "Singin ... Big
Bands", "MSS" and "Paradise Cafe" back to back. It's a very nice arc.
I loved your story about your daughter...what a great way to show her that no
one sits down and plays perfectly the first time (or second, or third....) :>
Dave (bea...@earthlink.net) added:
>Maybe the women's t-shirt could be strategically cut "down to there"...
>with a yellow feather design placed along the cut?
>
>Oh jeez... now I'm starting on fashion design. HELP!!! :)
An idea... how about the society named "CopacaBashers". T-shirt design could
look like a big ol' sledgehammer driving through a coconut... yellow feathers
flying around, etc.?
Jackie
I like it! I like it!
Perhaps with glow in the dark colors on a black background????
Oh lord! I can just see center row lighting up for CSWY with those shirts
glowing in the dark.
Magic
Still don't like the song, though, but now it'll make me chuckle...
And I thought of another I was never thrilled about... Anyone Can Do The
Heartbreak. Even though I'm probably one of the only two fans in the
world that actually LIKES the purple album (ducking from swinging fists),
this song just makes me laugh. Then again, a song that makes you laugh
might not be so bad... hmm...
Matt
My favorites:
Paradise Cafe, from beginning to end
the Complete Collection, especially that 3rd disk
If I Should Love again
One Voice
Showstoppers
My least favorite album is Singing with the Big Bands. I guess it was just a
little too slick.
The absolute worst song was I'm Going to Sit Right Down (and Write Myself a
Letter), with honorable mention to the duets My Girl with Melissa Manchester
and Put Another Quarter in the Jukebox with Ronnie Milsap, and I Want To Do
It With You. He was just off key in most of those.
DJ
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