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doi...@juno.com
Apr 11, 2015, 1:30:23 AM4/11/15
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I just think it is swell that Barry and Garry are getting married. Even though I have pined for Barry for 30 years, and even though he is marrying another man (yuck), I will come on here and congratulate them even though I know deep down that it is odd. The reason I do this is because I have been brainwashed by the PC media to think that there is nothing wrong with two men marrying each other. I will still shell out $100 per show to see Barry sing those same tired old songs that are sung from the perspective of a man/woman relationship, knowing full well that Barry has never experienced what he is singing about.
Does that just about cover it?
Does that just about cover it?
Kittenmommy
Apr 11, 2015, 1:00:55 PM4/11/15
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On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 1:30:23 AM UTC-4, doi...@juno.com wrote:
> I just think it is swell that Barry and Garry are getting married. Even though I have pined for Barry for 30 years, and even though he is marrying another man (yuck), I will come on here and congratulate them even though I know deep down that it is odd. The reason I do this is because I have been brainwashed by the PC media to think that there is nothing wrong with two men marrying each other. I will still shell out $100 per show to see Barry sing those same tired old songs that are sung from the perspective of a man/woman relationship, knowing full well that Barry has never experienced what he is singing about.
>
> Does that just about cover it?
Yes. Go fuck yourself.
> I just think it is swell that Barry and Garry are getting married. Even though I have pined for Barry for 30 years, and even though he is marrying another man (yuck), I will come on here and congratulate them even though I know deep down that it is odd. The reason I do this is because I have been brainwashed by the PC media to think that there is nothing wrong with two men marrying each other. I will still shell out $100 per show to see Barry sing those same tired old songs that are sung from the perspective of a man/woman relationship, knowing full well that Barry has never experienced what he is singing about.
>
> Does that just about cover it?
marvin
Apr 11, 2015, 2:49:10 PM4/11/15
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As a comedian once said, if you are against gay marriage, nobody is asking you to do it.
I do not want to be unkind to you. You are entitled to choose who you want to marry and lead the life you want, but Barry and anyone else is also entitled to choose who he wants to be with.
Also, please do not conclude that Barry has never experienced what he is singing about with a woman because he is gay. Go read his book and Lorna Luft's book and you will learn that Barry loved women romantically and when he interprets the lyrics in his most romantic ballads, be it Weekend In New England, Even Now, If I Should Love Again, the emotions that Barry sings about are deep and true. Marvin
I do not want to be unkind to you. You are entitled to choose who you want to marry and lead the life you want, but Barry and anyone else is also entitled to choose who he wants to be with.
Also, please do not conclude that Barry has never experienced what he is singing about with a woman because he is gay. Go read his book and Lorna Luft's book and you will learn that Barry loved women romantically and when he interprets the lyrics in his most romantic ballads, be it Weekend In New England, Even Now, If I Should Love Again, the emotions that Barry sings about are deep and true. Marvin
Maria M
Apr 11, 2015, 2:50:24 PM4/11/15
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Don't feed the trolls.
annielove...@gmail.com
Apr 11, 2015, 3:49:50 PM4/11/15
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On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 2:50:24 PM UTC-4, Maria M wrote:
> Don't feed the trolls.
Agree with you, Maria.
> Don't feed the trolls.
But I'm pretty sure that he/she has already moved on to the Hilary Clinton ng's to bitch about how we're gonna have a woman running for President.
IT'S THE END OF DAYS I TELL YOU : P
beanz
Apr 11, 2015, 4:00:19 PM4/11/15
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Lorna Luft Quotes >>
(About Man, Woman)
A gay man has no business leading on a heterosexual woman.
This is from a person Barry adores, they dated, broke up from what I understand. Still friends.
Jim UK
Apr 18, 2015, 12:05:51 PM4/18/15
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Jim UK
Apr 18, 2015, 12:22:54 PM4/18/15
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On Saturday, 11 April 2015 06:30:23 UTC+1, doi...@juno.com wrote:
>
> Does that just about cover it?
No, it doesn't cover it.
>
> Does that just about cover it?
"Odd" and "yuck"? How dare you use those words. You are a pathetic, vile human being and the dog shit I scrape off my shoe is more pleasant than you. There is nothing odd or wrong with two people (whether straight, gay or trans) loving each other, and if getting married makes them happy then all power to them. Your thoughts have nothing to do with the media, it is just your warped homophobic mind that has an irrational aversion to gay people. You are disgusting. Don't bother going to any more of his concerts, Barry really does not need you around. You pined for Barry for 30 years? Tough titties. Now just go fuck yourself.
Rant over. I hate homohobes.
marvin
Apr 18, 2015, 2:40:35 PM4/18/15
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Another lie from that camp. He never dated Lorna, just friends.
Kittenmommy
Apr 18, 2015, 6:34:18 PM4/18/15
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On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 12:05:51 PM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> Another lie from that camp. He never dated Lorna, just friends.
How on Earth would *you* know?
> Another lie from that camp. He never dated Lorna, just friends.
Kittenmommy
Apr 18, 2015, 7:46:56 PM4/18/15
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Blintzy
Apr 19, 2015, 6:17:18 AM4/19/15
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On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 6:30:23 AM UTC+1, doi...@juno.com wrote:
> I just think it is swell that Barry and Garry are getting married. Even though I have pined for Barry for 30 years, and even though he is marrying another man (yuck), I will come on here and congratulate them even though I know deep down that it is odd. The reason I do this is because I have been brainwashed by the PC media to think that there is nothing wrong with two men marrying each other. I will still shell out $100 per show to see Barry sing those same tired old songs that are sung from the perspective of a man/woman relationship, knowing full well that Barry has never experienced what he is singing about.
>
> Does that just about cover it?
Very few of Barry's songs include the word 'she' or 'her' so all these years he could have been singing to and about, his experiences with a man. It's not necessary to have experienced love or sex or had a broken relationship with both sexes to know how good or bad those experiences can be. The love a gay man has for another man is no different from a mans' love for a woman. The capacity to love and to want to be loved in return is a human capacity and is not limited by gender or sexual orientation.
> I just think it is swell that Barry and Garry are getting married. Even though I have pined for Barry for 30 years, and even though he is marrying another man (yuck), I will come on here and congratulate them even though I know deep down that it is odd. The reason I do this is because I have been brainwashed by the PC media to think that there is nothing wrong with two men marrying each other. I will still shell out $100 per show to see Barry sing those same tired old songs that are sung from the perspective of a man/woman relationship, knowing full well that Barry has never experienced what he is singing about.
>
> Does that just about cover it?
stevengold...@gmail.com
Apr 19, 2015, 11:16:04 AM4/19/15
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It was so painful for me to read the post that started this thread, I cried. I'm surprised I did: I do civil rights for a living and have heard it all, every kind of vicious personal attack, and thought my skin was so tough after all these years, I could just laugh stuff like this off. Nah. You never really do. I am grateful to all of you for responding to prejudiced vermin as you did.
Jim UK
Apr 19, 2015, 11:30:38 AM4/19/15
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I don't believe her. She was covering for him.
Jim UK
Apr 19, 2015, 11:34:37 AM4/19/15
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"You"? What a belittling little comment, thank you. I know because Barry has always been a gay man and would hardly want to sleep with Lorna Luft. Why would he?
Jim UK
Apr 19, 2015, 11:39:03 AM4/19/15
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I am a gay man and will never tolerate homophobes.
Jim UK
Apr 19, 2015, 11:42:47 AM4/19/15
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He used the word 'She' because he was singing a song but it also made the songs more appealing to all the women who bought his records and bought into the idea that he might get into their knickers one day.
mastr...@aol.com
Apr 19, 2015, 11:46:32 AM4/19/15
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I saw a picture of Lorna and Barry in the 70's with their arms around each other. If he is possibly bisexual not sure why they could not have been romantically evolved. If everyone knows or suspected he was gay why would she cover for him.
Blintzy
Apr 19, 2015, 12:14:37 PM4/19/15
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On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 4:46:32 PM UTC+1, mastr...@aol.com wrote:
> I saw a picture of Lorna and Barry in the 70's with their arms around each other. If he is possibly bisexual not sure why they could not have been romantically evolved. If everyone knows or suspected he was gay why would she cover for him.
In the 70s Lorna Luft was married to someone else. There are many reasons why Barry might ask her to 'cover' for him and many reasons why she might have agreed. Alternatively, there may be no cover up at all.
> I saw a picture of Lorna and Barry in the 70's with their arms around each other. If he is possibly bisexual not sure why they could not have been romantically evolved. If everyone knows or suspected he was gay why would she cover for him.
Maria M
Apr 19, 2015, 12:29:14 PM4/19/15
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Steven- the creature that started this thread is a troll. Who or what is it? Male or female? Coward could not even sign there name. Therefore, not worthy of anyone's time.
There a a few people on here who don't use their names & never sign a name. I take what they say with a grain of salt. Own up to what you say if you believe what you are saying.
So, I wouldn't even respond with an argument to something like this- these creatures are not worth anyone's time or tears!
Maria
There a a few people on here who don't use their names & never sign a name. I take what they say with a grain of salt. Own up to what you say if you believe what you are saying.
So, I wouldn't even respond with an argument to something like this- these creatures are not worth anyone's time or tears!
Maria
mastr...@aol.com
Apr 19, 2015, 12:39:48 PM4/19/15
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Not sure if this makes any difference but Lorna was married to her first husband in 1977 and she said she had her affair with Barry in 1971.
Marilyn
Marilyn
Jim UK
Apr 19, 2015, 12:45:22 PM4/19/15
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Because he asked her to?
Blintzy
Apr 19, 2015, 12:51:51 PM4/19/15
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On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 5:45:22 PM UTC+1, Jim UK wrote:
> Because he asked her to?
Barry may have agreed to, and even encouraged, Lorna writing she had an affair with him. In 1971 they were both single - she was 19 and he was 28. He had already split from Susan so it's plausible.
> Because he asked her to?
Kittenmommy
Apr 19, 2015, 1:38:35 PM4/19/15
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On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 11:34:37 AM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> "You"? What a belittling little comment, thank you.
Are you close personal friends with Barry? Or with Lorna? No?
> "You"? What a belittling little comment, thank you.
Well then.
> I know because Barry has always been a gay man and would hardly want to sleep with Lorna Luft. Why would he?
Kittenmommy
Apr 19, 2015, 1:40:39 PM4/19/15
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On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 11:42:47 AM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> He used the word 'She' because he was singing a song but it also made the songs more appealing to all the women who bought his records and bought into the idea that he might get into their knickers one day.
You seem awfully contemptuous of Barry's female fans, and of women in general. I'm not sure if you realize that you come across that way, but you do.
> He used the word 'She' because he was singing a song but it also made the songs more appealing to all the women who bought his records and bought into the idea that he might get into their knickers one day.
Just so you know.
Jackilope
Apr 19, 2015, 1:56:35 PM4/19/15
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As Maria said, the trolling is not worthy of time, nor tears and I am saddened the doofus that posted it hurt people.
Jackie
reb
Apr 20, 2015, 9:13:47 PM4/20/15
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Maria M <roba...@earthlink.net> wrote in news:942c62bc-a32e-4ad4-9146-
4378d1...@googlegroups.com:
> Coward could not even sign there name.
this is USENET. most people do not use their real names on USENET. you
aren't a coward because you choose to use a "handle" rather than your real
name, it's very common in these groups to do just the opposite of what
you're saying.
4378d1...@googlegroups.com:
> Coward could not even sign there name.
aren't a coward because you choose to use a "handle" rather than your real
name, it's very common in these groups to do just the opposite of what
you're saying.
Jim UK
Apr 21, 2015, 12:45:36 PM4/21/15
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Yes, way too crazy. Why are you having such a problem with Barry being gay? He is not bisexual, he is gay.
Kittenmommy
Apr 21, 2015, 3:31:22 PM4/21/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> Yes, way too crazy. Why are you having such a problem with Barry being gay? He is not bisexual, he is gay.
Why are you so insistent that he's gay? Why couldn't he be bi? Do you believe that bisexual people exist?
> Yes, way too crazy. Why are you having such a problem with Barry being gay? He is not bisexual, he is gay.
To me, the evidence points to him being bisexual. Gay men generally don't sleep with women, too.
Brenda M
Apr 21, 2015, 3:43:37 PM4/21/15
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I just feel like saying this.
So, with everyone's indulgence ...
I HATE THESE FUCKING LABELS! (And yes, I meant to scream.)
Straight, bi, gay ... aaaauuuuuugggghhhhhh! And I'm sick of hearing me use them too!
Can't we just be labeless (sic), unbranded human beings?
I like to think that someday our species will evolve to a point where everybody is free to love everybody and the labels become extinct from non-use.
That's MY "I have a dream" speech.
Anyway ... thanks.
Just needed to vent.
Brenda
So, with everyone's indulgence ...
I HATE THESE FUCKING LABELS! (And yes, I meant to scream.)
Straight, bi, gay ... aaaauuuuuugggghhhhhh! And I'm sick of hearing me use them too!
Can't we just be labeless (sic), unbranded human beings?
I like to think that someday our species will evolve to a point where everybody is free to love everybody and the labels become extinct from non-use.
That's MY "I have a dream" speech.
Anyway ... thanks.
Just needed to vent.
Brenda
Patricia
Apr 21, 2015, 4:05:38 PM4/21/15
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marvin
Apr 21, 2015, 5:48:40 PM4/21/15
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What in the world leads you to believe he sleeps with women?
I am only going by Barry's book that he had a romantic affair with Adrienne Anderson and other people he met when he worked on "The Drunkard", and since he was married to Susan and pined for her before, the assumption would be that he had a romantic relationship with her at one time.
Although Barry did not write this, Lorna Luft wrote in her book and confirmed to me in person that at one time she and Barry were a romantic couple. So, all these incidents indicate that Barry had romantic feelings for women.
On the other hand, if Barry lied about his romantic life and Lorna too, then I have no idea at all. Marvin
Maria M
Apr 21, 2015, 6:05:18 PM4/21/15
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I still wonder why it matters if he likes men, women or both? It's such a non issue.
Maria
Maria
annielove...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2015, 7:16:03 PM4/21/15
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To summarize:
30 years with a male partner = gay. Let's think about that for a minute: Thirty-fucking-years.
I don't care if he slept with one woman or fifty before he became involved with his current partner. Doesn't matter. 30 years with Mr Kief = gay.
Any other interpretation is like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Did he sleep with Lorna? Adrienne? Brenda? Doesn't matter! GAY!
The adorable, attractive, romantic, sexy (at one time!) Barry Manilow is gay.
Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
Annie
30 years with a male partner = gay. Let's think about that for a minute: Thirty-fucking-years.
I don't care if he slept with one woman or fifty before he became involved with his current partner. Doesn't matter. 30 years with Mr Kief = gay.
Any other interpretation is like asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Did he sleep with Lorna? Adrienne? Brenda? Doesn't matter! GAY!
The adorable, attractive, romantic, sexy (at one time!) Barry Manilow is gay.
Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
Annie
Brenda M
Apr 21, 2015, 7:39:40 PM4/21/15
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Annie,
Feel free to self-apply "hagilow".
Hell will freeze over before I apply it to me.
Brenda
Feel free to self-apply "hagilow".
Hell will freeze over before I apply it to me.
Brenda
Maria M
Apr 21, 2015, 7:46:20 PM4/21/15
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Ditto we me on that one, Brenda. "Hagilow"? I am far, far from that.
Maria
Maria
annielove...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2015, 8:30:13 PM4/21/15
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Annie
pattisc...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2015, 8:38:40 PM4/21/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 7:46:20 PM UTC-4, Maria M wrote:
> Ditto we me on that one, Brenda. "Hagilow"? I am far, far from that.
>
> Maria
Yeah. Me either. It presupposes a slur that I'm not real crazy about.
> Ditto we me on that one, Brenda. "Hagilow"? I am far, far from that.
>
> Maria
Kittenmommy
Apr 21, 2015, 8:40:00 PM4/21/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 7:16:03 PM UTC-4, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
> Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
*cringing so hard right now*
> Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
pattisc...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2015, 9:04:07 PM4/21/15
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> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 7:16:03 PM UTC-4, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
>
> *cringing so hard right now*
Kittenmommy
Apr 21, 2015, 9:05:00 PM4/21/15
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pattisc...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2015, 9:07:57 PM4/21/15
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> >
> > I'm getting cold shivers thinking about this term.
>
> And not in a *good* way, right?
Kittenmommy
Apr 21, 2015, 9:39:16 PM4/21/15
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Maybe...
Kittenmommy
Apr 21, 2015, 9:42:52 PM4/21/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 5:48:40 PM UTC-4, marvin wrote:
> What in the world leads you to believe he sleeps with women?
>
> I am only going by Barry's book that he had a romantic affair with Adrienne Anderson and other people he met when he worked on "The Drunkard", and since he was married to Susan and pined for her before, the assumption would be that he had a romantic relationship with her at one time.
> Although Barry did not write this, Lorna Luft wrote in her book and confirmed to me in person that at one time she and Barry were a romantic couple. So, all these incidents indicate that Barry had romantic feelings for women.
I see no reason to disbelieve Lorna, or Barry for that matter.
> What in the world leads you to believe he sleeps with women?
>
> I am only going by Barry's book that he had a romantic affair with Adrienne Anderson and other people he met when he worked on "The Drunkard", and since he was married to Susan and pined for her before, the assumption would be that he had a romantic relationship with her at one time.
> Although Barry did not write this, Lorna Luft wrote in her book and confirmed to me in person that at one time she and Barry were a romantic couple. So, all these incidents indicate that Barry had romantic feelings for women.
He's obviously with Garry now, and (hopefully) they're both very happy. That's awesome, and I'm not taking away from that.
I dislike putting people in little boxes, especially when there's evidence that they fit in a much larger box.
Kittenmommy
Apr 21, 2015, 9:46:51 PM4/21/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 6:05:18 PM UTC-4, Maria M wrote:
> I still wonder why it matters if he likes men, women or both? It's such a non issue.
I guess I find JimUK just as annoying as the female fans who scream that Barry is totes 110% STRAIGHT and that they'll *ONLY* believe he's with Garry if he personally comes to their homes to tell them about it in person. IMO, JimUK is just as strident and obnoxious as those female fans. And also, he speaks with great authority, as though he knows everyone involved personally and can impart his great knowledge from on high. Uh, nope. He's right here speculating with the rest of us!
> I still wonder why it matters if he likes men, women or both? It's such a non issue.
So there you have it.
Jackilope
Apr 21, 2015, 10:33:38 PM4/21/15
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Flush that term, stat.
Jackie
starn...@gmail.com
Apr 21, 2015, 11:30:40 PM4/21/15
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CA Sharon
Kittenmommy
Apr 21, 2015, 11:43:10 PM4/21/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 11:30:40 PM UTC-4, starn...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 4:16:03 PM UTC-7, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 4:16:03 PM UTC-7, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
> I'm not "in love" with a gay man. I've NEVER been in love with Barry Manilow. Speak for yourself, hagilow.
*whispers* Where did this person even come from??
annielove...@gmail.com
Apr 22, 2015, 7:18:14 PM4/22/15
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SO TO BE CLEAR: here on the ng it's acceptable to straight up insult an employee of Stiletto who's just trying to do her job. I think Vickie is cute, and it's Stiletto - an entertainment company - for fuck's sake, not the New England Journal of Medicine!
ALSO! it's acceptable here to make libelous statements about Mr Kief ("he drinks!"), heinous statements about his deceased family: the late ex-wife ("she drank!"), his parents ("tacky Easter lawn bunnies!".....and just let me interject here lawn bunnies actually sounds pretty awesome).
AND! then there are the judge-y statements about the genesis of the Manilow-Keif relationship ("Mr K was still married!"..... Come on, ladies, how many of you have said here that "Barry is the only man I'd leave my husband for....") I know there are at least a few here whose husbands would become a dim memory pretty quickly in the unlikely event that Mr M came a-courting.
Not to mention all the derogatory stuff about Mr M himself: "ungrateful to the long-time fans", "hates the fans", "only cares about money", "bad taste to make an album featuring deceased artists", a "liar" because his public persona is not openly gay, "poor taste to choose Mr K as a partner"....
...ALL THAT has been posted by people on this very ng.....AND nobody blinked an eye.
BUT! make a sarcastic comment about the fans (and "fans" = I am including myself in this group) and the pearl-clutching (and "cold chills" and "cringing") starts!
Really?
REALLY??????
Okay, then.
Annie
Brenda M
Apr 22, 2015, 7:24:32 PM4/22/15
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Annie,
Feel better now?
Or do you think you need to throw a few more tantrums before it's all out if your system?
Brenda
Feel better now?
Or do you think you need to throw a few more tantrums before it's all out if your system?
Brenda
annielove...@gmail.com
Apr 22, 2015, 7:31:00 PM4/22/15
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I'm surprised that you don't have more to say, since many of the comments I referenced came directly from you, but whatev's.
Annie
Brenda M
Apr 22, 2015, 7:42:17 PM4/22/15
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Yeah, I got that you have a beat-up-on-Brenda agenda.
Honey, I've been knocked around by bigger bullies than you.
And, Lord willing, I'll still be here long after you've packed up and gone the way of the rest of them.
So ... I'm done with you now.
Goodbye, good luck, yada yada.
Brenda
Honey, I've been knocked around by bigger bullies than you.
And, Lord willing, I'll still be here long after you've packed up and gone the way of the rest of them.
So ... I'm done with you now.
Goodbye, good luck, yada yada.
Brenda
Kittenmommy
Apr 22, 2015, 8:01:06 PM4/22/15
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On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 7:18:14 PM UTC-4, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Kittenmommy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 11:30:40 PM UTC-4, starn...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 4:16:03 PM UTC-7, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
> >
> > > I'm not "in love" with a gay man. I've NEVER been in love with Barry Manilow. Speak for yourself, hagilow.
> >
> > *whispers* Where did this person even come from??
>
>
> OMG! Seriously, OMFG!
>
> SO TO BE CLEAR: here on the ng it's acceptable to straight up insult an employee of Stiletto who's just trying to do her job. I think Vickie is cute, and it's Stiletto - an entertainment company - for fuck's sake, not the New England Journal of Medicine!
And...?
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 11:43:10 PM UTC-4, Kittenmommy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 11:30:40 PM UTC-4, starn...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 4:16:03 PM UTC-7, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Let's accept that. Let's all embrace our hag-dom. We're in love with a gay man. And that's okay! We'll adore him forever! Hagilows! Represent!
> >
> > > I'm not "in love" with a gay man. I've NEVER been in love with Barry Manilow. Speak for yourself, hagilow.
> >
> > *whispers* Where did this person even come from??
>
>
> OMG! Seriously, OMFG!
>
> SO TO BE CLEAR: here on the ng it's acceptable to straight up insult an employee of Stiletto who's just trying to do her job. I think Vickie is cute, and it's Stiletto - an entertainment company - for fuck's sake, not the New England Journal of Medicine!
> ALSO! it's acceptable here to make libelous statements about Mr Kief ("he drinks!"), heinous statements about his deceased family: the late ex-wife ("she drank!"),
> his parents ("tacky Easter lawn bunnies!".....and just let me interject here lawn bunnies actually sounds pretty awesome).
> AND! then there are the judge-y statements about the genesis of the Manilow-Keif relationship ("Mr K was still married!"..... Come on, ladies, how many of you have said here that "Barry is the only man I'd leave my husband for....")
I said before that cheating on one's spouse isn't cool, and I stand by that statement. It doesn't make it OK if the guy one is cheating with sings and plays the piano really well.
> I know there are at least a few here whose husbands would become a dim memory pretty quickly in the unlikely event that Mr M came a-courting.
>
> Not to mention all the derogatory stuff about Mr M himself: "ungrateful to the long-time fans", "hates the fans", "only cares about money",
> "bad taste to make an album featuring deceased artists",
> a "liar" because his public persona is not openly gay, "poor taste to choose Mr K as a partner"....
> ...ALL THAT has been posted by people on this very ng.....AND nobody blinked an eye.
>
> BUT! make a sarcastic comment about the fans (and "fans" = I am including myself in this group) and the pearl-clutching (and "cold chills" and "cringing") starts!
Kittenmommy
Apr 22, 2015, 8:01:47 PM4/22/15
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On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 7:31:00 PM UTC-4, annielove...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm surprised that you don't have more to say, since many of the comments I referenced came directly from you, but whatev's.
No, actually, many of them came from me. Which is why I replied as I did.
> I'm surprised that you don't have more to say, since many of the comments I referenced came directly from you, but whatev's.
pattisc...@gmail.com
Apr 22, 2015, 10:26:18 PM4/22/15
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Just worry about what people have to say about YOU, Annie. I'm sure it's quite a bit from the stuff you say here.
And just how derogatory do you think B & G would think your cute new little fan name for us would be if they found out? Do you honestly believe other gay artists would think they'd want a play like that with THEIR names???
You like to tell everyone to move along, move along, move along. Now, YOU move along, little girl, and tell all your crap to those who's paid to pretend to listen to you cuz most of us ain't them.
And just how derogatory do you think B & G would think your cute new little fan name for us would be if they found out? Do you honestly believe other gay artists would think they'd want a play like that with THEIR names???
You like to tell everyone to move along, move along, move along. Now, YOU move along, little girl, and tell all your crap to those who's paid to pretend to listen to you cuz most of us ain't them.
pattisc...@gmail.com
Apr 22, 2015, 10:29:42 PM4/22/15
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BTW, Annie, you never did tell anyone what your favorite concerts were and albums are and why.
Don't bother.
Don't bother.
Jim UK
Apr 23, 2015, 8:11:54 AM4/23/15
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On Sunday, 19 April 2015 18:40:39 UTC+1, Kittenmommy wrote:
> Just so you know.
Oh.
> Just so you know.
Oh.
Jim UK
Apr 23, 2015, 8:15:54 AM4/23/15
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On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 21:05:38 UTC+1, Patricia wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 2:31:22 PM UTC-5, Kittenmommy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> > > Yes, way too crazy. Why are you having such a problem with Barry being gay? He is not bisexual, he is gay.
> >
> > Why are you so insistent that he's gay? Why couldn't he be bi? Do you believe that bisexual people exist?
> >
> > To me, the evidence points to him being bisexual. Gay men generally don't sleep with women, too.
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 2:31:22 PM UTC-5, Kittenmommy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> > > Yes, way too crazy. Why are you having such a problem with Barry being gay? He is not bisexual, he is gay.
> >
> > Why are you so insistent that he's gay? Why couldn't he be bi? Do you believe that bisexual people exist?
> >
> > To me, the evidence points to him being bisexual. Gay men generally don't sleep with women, too.
>
> What in the world leads you to believe he sleeps with women?
Maybe because she can hold on to that tiny hope that Barry might not be 100% gay. It's quite homophobic actually.
> What in the world leads you to believe he sleeps with women?
Brenda M
Apr 23, 2015, 8:52:25 AM4/23/15
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But Jim ...
Just for the sake of discussion ...
If you think she's a homophobe for hoping Barry isn't 100% gay, then how are you not a heterophobe for insisting he must be?
Brenda
Just for the sake of discussion ...
If you think she's a homophobe for hoping Barry isn't 100% gay, then how are you not a heterophobe for insisting he must be?
Brenda
Patricia
Apr 23, 2015, 9:32:43 AM4/23/15
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 8:42:52 PM UTC-5, Kittenmommy wrote:
>
> I see no reason to disbelieve Lorna, or Barry for that matter.
>
Really? Well, the last thing I heard Barry say on the subject is that he's not gay. So this is what you believe, then, because you see no reason to disbelieve Barry? By the way, Kief reps Luft, too, so it's not exactly a stretch to get why she'd lie for her friends and business associate.
>
> I see no reason to disbelieve Lorna, or Barry for that matter.
>
Kittenmommy
Apr 23, 2015, 12:21:02 PM4/23/15
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Jim UK
Apr 23, 2015, 12:23:26 PM4/23/15
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It's not that she is homophobic because she is insisting that Barry is not gay, it's the other things she has implied that show it.
Kittenmommy
Apr 23, 2015, 1:53:40 PM4/23/15
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On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 12:23:26 PM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> It's not that she is homophobic because she is insisting that Barry is not gay, it's the other things she has implied that show it.
And those would be...?
> It's not that she is homophobic because she is insisting that Barry is not gay, it's the other things she has implied that show it.
BTW, I don't "insist" that he's not gay. *MY OPINION* (which of course *MAY BE WRONG*!) is that he's bi. I'm not saying he's not into guys. In fact, I think he's *primarily* into guys (assuming he's bi and not gay). And I absolutely *do not* think he's straight. At all.
How exactly is that "homophobic"?
Patricia
Apr 23, 2015, 2:58:39 PM4/23/15
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On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Jim UK wrote:
> It's not that she is homophobic because she is insisting that Barry is not gay, it's the other things she has implied that show it.
You have to understand that a lot of the ladies here think of homosexuality as something negative, something you "accuse" someone of being. So, now that it's getting a lot more difficult for them to deny his homosexuality, they instead try to lessen it for themselves by making him bisexual. I'm not sure what buffer they'll cling to should Barry ever come right out and announce he's gay. I'm guessing at that point they'll only be able to blame it on him hanging out with show-biz types at an early age.
> It's not that she is homophobic because she is insisting that Barry is not gay, it's the other things she has implied that show it.
Brenda M
Apr 23, 2015, 3:23:57 PM4/23/15
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I dunno, Jim...
There's no denying that there are homophobic people in this world ... a few of them Manilow fans.
But I think you need to resist the temptation to look for where it doesn't exist.
The Enquirer story has finally allowed many fans the chance to freely debate his sexuality without getting their throats ripped out by women with Manilow hope(less) chests.
It's not only "freeing" for Barry, but for many of us as well.
So...
I wouldn't read homophobia into fans naturally wanting to debate every possible angle.
Also ... please resist the urge to believe that we all want Barry to be straight. Actually, I believe just the opposite is true for many of his female fans. It's safer to love a man who's utterly unattainable ... and being gay makes him about as unattainable to them as it can get.
I mean ... what if Barry had been straight? And there were female groupies he'd slept with? That would destroy a lot of fantasies as well.
If you're a woman, a straight man can reject you because you're not his type, he doesn't think you're pretty, you have the wrong body type, you're too short, you're too fat, whatever. But a gay man would simply reject your entire gender. It's a great equalizer.
Just something else to consider!
Brenda
There's no denying that there are homophobic people in this world ... a few of them Manilow fans.
But I think you need to resist the temptation to look for where it doesn't exist.
The Enquirer story has finally allowed many fans the chance to freely debate his sexuality without getting their throats ripped out by women with Manilow hope(less) chests.
It's not only "freeing" for Barry, but for many of us as well.
So...
I wouldn't read homophobia into fans naturally wanting to debate every possible angle.
Also ... please resist the urge to believe that we all want Barry to be straight. Actually, I believe just the opposite is true for many of his female fans. It's safer to love a man who's utterly unattainable ... and being gay makes him about as unattainable to them as it can get.
I mean ... what if Barry had been straight? And there were female groupies he'd slept with? That would destroy a lot of fantasies as well.
If you're a woman, a straight man can reject you because you're not his type, he doesn't think you're pretty, you have the wrong body type, you're too short, you're too fat, whatever. But a gay man would simply reject your entire gender. It's a great equalizer.
Just something else to consider!
Brenda
Jim UK
Apr 23, 2015, 3:54:10 PM4/23/15
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Jim UK
Apr 23, 2015, 3:57:41 PM4/23/15
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On Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:23:57 UTC+1, Brenda M wrote:
> I dunno, Jim...
>
> There's no denying that there are homophobic people in this world ... a few of them Manilow fans.
>
Oh yes.
> I dunno, Jim...
>
> There's no denying that there are homophobic people in this world ... a few of them Manilow fans.
>
> But I think you need to resist the temptation to look for where it doesn't exist.
>
> The Enquirer story has finally allowed many fans the chance to freely debate his sexuality without getting their throats ripped out by women with Manilow hope(less) chests.
>
> It's not only "freeing" for Barry, but for many of us as well.
I agree Brenda.
> The Enquirer story has finally allowed many fans the chance to freely debate his sexuality without getting their throats ripped out by women with Manilow hope(less) chests.
>
> It's not only "freeing" for Barry, but for many of us as well.
>
> So...
>
> I wouldn't read homophobia into fans naturally wanting to debate every possible angle.
>
> Also ... please resist the urge to believe that we all want Barry to be straight. Actually, I believe just the opposite is true for many of his female fans. It's safer to love a man who's utterly unattainable ... and being gay makes him about as unattainable to them as it can get.
You don't think they will see it as their mission to 'make' him straight? ;-)
> So...
>
> I wouldn't read homophobia into fans naturally wanting to debate every possible angle.
>
> Also ... please resist the urge to believe that we all want Barry to be straight. Actually, I believe just the opposite is true for many of his female fans. It's safer to love a man who's utterly unattainable ... and being gay makes him about as unattainable to them as it can get.
>
> I mean ... what if Barry had been straight? And there were female groupies he'd slept with? That would destroy a lot of fantasies as well.
So the women who think he is straight honestly didn't think he was having sex with any other women either?
> I mean ... what if Barry had been straight? And there were female groupies he'd slept with? That would destroy a lot of fantasies as well.
>
> If you're a woman, a straight man can reject you because you're not his type, he doesn't think you're pretty, you have the wrong body type, you're too short, you're too fat, whatever. But a gay man would simply reject your entire gender. It's a great equalizer.
But we would look at you and take you shopping and get you clothes that make your body type look wonderful!
> If you're a woman, a straight man can reject you because you're not his type, he doesn't think you're pretty, you have the wrong body type, you're too short, you're too fat, whatever. But a gay man would simply reject your entire gender. It's a great equalizer.
>
> Just something else to consider!
Thanks Brenda for a sensible topic.
> Just something else to consider!
>
> Brenda
Jim UK
Apr 23, 2015, 3:59:45 PM4/23/15
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Typos, sorry. Need to put my glasses on!
annielove...@gmail.com
Apr 23, 2015, 6:22:49 PM4/23/15
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On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 10:26:18 PM UTC-4, pattisc...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just worry about what people have to say about YOU, Annie. I'm sure it's quite a bit from the stuff you say here.
I never worry about what people have to say about me, but glad to know I'm doing my bit to keep the dialogue going.
> Just worry about what people have to say about YOU, Annie. I'm sure it's quite a bit from the stuff you say here.
>
> And just how derogatory do you think B & G would think your cute new little fan name for us would be if they found out? Do you honestly believe other gay artists would think they'd want a play like that with THEIR names???
> You like to tell everyone to move along, move along, move along. Now, YOU move along, little girl, and tell all your crap to those who's paid to pretend to listen to you cuz most of us ain't them.
Annie
Kittenmommy
Apr 23, 2015, 6:23:41 PM4/23/15
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On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 3:54:10 PM UTC-4, Jim UK wrote:
> Yes, I hate it when the papers say something like 'So and so admits they are gay'. You do not admit you are gay because being gay is nothing to be guilty about. People 'announce' they are gay - Except Barry who lets Suzanne Somers speak for him, ha-ha. If Barry does come out gay, they will still be people on here that won't want to accept the fact you are born gay like people are born black or white.
Speaking for myself, if he announces he's 110% GAY GAY GAY ALL THE WAY, then of course I'll believe it. Why on Earth wouldn't I??
> Yes, I hate it when the papers say something like 'So and so admits they are gay'. You do not admit you are gay because being gay is nothing to be guilty about. People 'announce' they are gay - Except Barry who lets Suzanne Somers speak for him, ha-ha. If Barry does come out gay, they will still be people on here that won't want to accept the fact you are born gay like people are born black or white.
annielove...@gmail.com
Apr 23, 2015, 6:26:24 PM4/23/15
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On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 10:29:42 PM UTC-4, pattisc...@gmail.com wrote:
> BTW, Annie, you never did tell anyone what your favorite concerts were and albums are and why.
>
??????
> BTW, Annie, you never did tell anyone what your favorite concerts were and albums are and why.
>
I've tried to start fun discussion topics here, but apparently they're not as interesting as this shitshow.
Annie
pattisc...@gmail.com
Apr 23, 2015, 8:56:27 PM4/23/15
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> Annie
Ya-a-awn ....
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