How to Bash the Bash
DiveRN54
Where is the best place to email or call or write or all three, to voice my
opinion about the "Bash" to the "powers that be"? While Howard and I want to
attend the concert, and would love to attend the midnight thingy......the BMIFC
can pound sand. We undoubtedly will attend the concert, and pay the high
prices for ticket broker seats, but in our opinion, we are making the trip to
see the concert, so they might as well be good seats. As far as the rest of
the event, I'm too old for discos, and I will decide what I want to eat,
neither one of us drink.....so why pay their ridiculous prices for things we
won't attend? Mandalay Bay is fine, beautiful hotel and for one or two nights,
it's great......I get a little twitchy (spell that however you like) after a
couple of days around huge crowds, (which may also explain my disco phobia).
But I'll bet I can get great seats, hotel accomadations, and meals for a whole
lot less than the BMIFC prices. And as far as the midnight with Manilow
event.....I'm working on that...lol.
You know, it doesn't matter how long one has been a fan, for the fan club to
gouge the very people that have supported Barry REPEATEDLY is unconscionable.
I'm not done with Barry, but I am so over the BMIFC! And if Barry is aware of
this arrangement I choose to (hands over ears) la-la-la-la. What? I can't hear
you.
Carole
Scooter
> Scooter,
>
> Where is the best place to email or call or write or all three, to voice
> my opinion about the "Bash" to the "powers that be"?
BMIFC
P. O. Box 45378
Los Angeles, CA 90045
Phone 310/957-5788
Fax 310-957-5789
Email: ord...@starz.bz
Stiletto Entertainment
P. O. Box 45348
Los Angeles, CA 90045
I have Stiletto's phone and fax, but would probably be vaporized from the
planet if I posted it on a public newsgroup. ;^)
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Scooter
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DiveRN54
>planet if I posted it on a public newsgroup. ;^)
>
>=========
>Scooter
LOL....thanks for the info Scooter.
Carole
HreAgnRBHC6
>planet if I posted it on a public newsgroup. ;^)
>
Their # isn't hard to find. (You could even do a 411.com or Anywho.Com search,
then call for their fax)
PButler111
>From: hreag...@aol.com (HreAgnRBHC6)
>Date: 2/15/2004 10:37 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040215113759...@mb-m07.aol.com>
>
>>I have Stiletto's phone and fax, but would probably be vaporized from the
>>planet if I posted it on a public newsgroup.
I love it when people act like they've got some big inside info they can't
possibly give out to the general public.
Stiletto Entertainment:
Phone: 310-957-5757
Fax: 310-957-5758
Inside source? Stiletto Entertainment website (not to mention the phone book).
zipperspice
pbutl...@aol.com (PButler111) wrote in
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I love it when people act like they've got some big inside info they
can't possibly give out to the general public.
hmm..weren't we just talking about that?
No Reb, we weren't. Steven would have had to divulge certain personal
and/or business contacts regarding BMG, whereas Stilleto's contact info
is no big secret.
Steven Goldstein
is the ineptitude and otherwise frequently goofy decisions of the BMIFC.
Does anyone believe Barry himself is, to whatever partial or full extent, to
blame?
"Reb" <R...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> zippe...@webtv.net (zipperspice) wrote in news:4270-402FB373-207
> @storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net:
>
> > Reb, we weren't. Steven would have had to divulge certain personal
> > and/or business contacts regarding BMG
>
> actually he would have just had to read the internet as the info was
> there..but that argument is over remember..I thought you had me filtered?
> lol
BMeskunas
>is the ineptitude and otherwise frequently goofy decisions of the BMIFC.
I'll thank you not to speak for me, Steven.
I don't agree with some of the BMIFC's policies, but if they were really all
that "inept" they would have gone out of business long ago.
Brenda
PButler111
>Date: 2/15/2004 7:19 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <FUUXb.148919$cM1.27...@twister.nyc.rr.com>
>
>What I want to know is this: One of the few things that everyone agrees on
>is the ineptitude and otherwise frequently goofy decisions of the BMIFC.
>
>Does anyone believe Barry himself is, to whatever partial or full extent, to
>blame?
Better question, does anyone honestly believe he's not?
Scooter
>>>I have Stiletto's phone and fax, but would probably be vaporized from
>>>the planet if I posted it on a public newsgroup.
>
> I love it when people act like they've got some big inside info they
> can't possibly give out to the general public.
>
> Stiletto Entertainment:
>
> Phone: 310-957-5757
> Fax: 310-957-5758
>
> Inside source? Stiletto Entertainment website (not to mention the phone
> book).
Yes, anyone could hunt for the info. Some people obviously didn't get the
sarcasm of my post. Guess you missed my "aggressive internet" Kief
chastisement.
Steven Goldstein
Best,
Steven
"BMeskunas" <bmes...@aol.com> wrote in message
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BMeskunas
>
>Best,
>Steven
I'm gratified, Steven, but curious - why post that under this thread? I'm not
sure I get the connection.
Brenda
P.S. Like my dedication?
Steven Goldstein
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BMeskunas
Oh, okay.
Hope you enjoy it!
Brenda
Steven Goldstein
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HreAgnRBHC6
>>blame?
>
>Better question, does anyone honestly believe he's not?
>
Not to bash Barry, but he, himself, said many years ago something to the effect
that the buck stops with yourself for anything your associated with. If you
don't care enough to stay on top of the matter, then don't blame others. This
IS his matter since it is associated with his name. He knows what they're
doing, and that you all willingly let yourselves get taken.
BMeskunas
>doing, and that you all willingly let yourselves get taken.
And I take it you don't?
My heartiest congratulations.
Brenda
HreAgnRBHC6
>
You've got that right!
BMeskunas
>>
>
>You've got that right!
>
I'm most impressed.
Brenda
Mbadgf
>I don't agree with some of the BMIFC's policies, but if they were really all
>that "inept" they would have gone out of business long ago>>>
No they wouldn't. You know that Garry is aware there are people who will
blindly follow. .
focus
"Steven Goldstein"
>
> Does anyone believe Barry himself is, to whatever partial or full extent,
to
> blame?
>
Oh Steven, here I go down that slippery slope to the very thin ice.........
Let's just say, I think it is generally a bad idea to mix business and
personal relationships... objectivity, for example, often goes out the
window. Certainly more difficult to, say, fire someone when you have a
significant relationship with that person..
I tried to be good. I swear I did.
focus
BMeskunas
>personal relationships... objectivity, for example, often goes out the
>window. Certainly more difficult to, say, fire someone when you have a
>significant relationship with that person..
I also think it's unhealthy for anyone to give another human being THAT much
power.
It's one thing to be in a personal relationship that has its ups and downs ...
It's another thing to be in a business relationship that has its ups and downs
...
But to have both with the same person has to be scary. How do you break up
with someone you financially depend upon? And how do you tell someone you love
that they're making bad business decisions?
Brenda
Wachit
>personal relationships... objectivity, for example, often goes out the
>window. Certainly more difficult to, say, fire someone when you have a
>significant relationship with that person..
With that being said, how would such a relationship hold up under the decision
to hire Mark Schwartz to produce "Harmony" and the subsequent events that led
to the financial disaster of the production and now the arbitration.
I wonder if Barry still thinks that Garry is the genius he always proclaimed
him to be.
Susan
Brenda
I wasn't under the impression Mark Schwartz was "hired" by anybody ...
I thought he bought the rights from Barry's team?
Nevertheless, I don't necessarily understand how much (if at all)
Garry is involved in the Harmony mess.
Brenda
Scooter
I have no idea what duties these job titles include, but this is from the
"Talent" section of the Harmony website:
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MARK SCHWARTZ (Executive Producer) has a 22 year career in Broadway and
professional theatres. He began his Broadway career with Nine, directed by
Tommy Tune and starring Raul Julia (Five Tony Awards). He co-produced
Zorba starring Anthony Quinn, My One and Only (three Tony Awards, starring
Tommy Tune and Twiggy and La Cage Aux Folles (six Tony Awards including
Best Musical). Mark was also executive producer for the musical Lucky Guy
and co-produced Tovah: Out of Her Mind Off-Broadway in 1996. His recent
projects include the Tony nominated Broadway production of Jackie: An
American Life (Broadway and London’s West End productions); the Broadway
production of Epic Proportions, directed by Jerry Zaks and starring
Kristen Chenoweth; the London West End production of Hedwig and the Angry
Inch; The Cuillo Centre Production of The Betrayal of Nora Blake; the New
York production of Menopause The Musical; and, upcoming, the 2003
Broadway-bound production of Barry Manilow and Bruce Sussman’s Harmony.
Mr. Schwartz is the Executive Director of The Cuillo Centre for the Arts
in West Palm Beach and is also the President and COO of the production
company, Snorkel Productions Inc.
GARRY C. KIEF (Associate Producer) Prior to forming STILETTO Entertainment
in 1981, Mr. Kief was an executive with the American Broadcasting Company.
Long involved in all aspects of the music and entertainment industry, he
is a member of the producer’s branch of the Academy of Television Arts &
Sciences and of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences. In
addition to producing Mr. Manilow’s previous Broadway and concert
projects, Mr. Kief has produced numerous special programs for network and
cable television.
BRENT PEEK (Associate Producer/General Manager) has worked in the theatre
for the last thirty-five years. As a Producer, he produced or co-produced
Quartermaine’s Terms, Balm in Gilead, The Golden Age, Stand-Up Tragedy,
Oblivion Postponed, The Gorey Details and Epic Proportions. He most
recently has been associated with Menopause The Musical and Hedwig and the
Angry Inch Off Broadway and Jackie: An American Life on Broadway.
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I wonder how much the "Associate Producer" knows about what's actually
going on with the production. Obviously he didn't know the money wasn't
there when it was supposed to be. Maybe the "Associate Producers" are
just completely out of the money loop. I'd love to know, and I'd dearly
love to read the arbitration transcript.
Wachit
Garry is involved in the Harmony mess.
He's listed as an executive producer as he is on almost everything Barry is
involved in. Mark Schwartz may have bought the rights to "Harmony", but they
had the first right of refusal if they thought he was not worthy.
Susan
Wachit
going on with the production. Obviously he didn't know the money wasn't
there when it was supposed to be. Maybe the "Associate Producers" are
just completely out of the money loop. I'd love to know, and I'd dearly
love to read the arbitration transcript.
I stand corrected...Garry is listed as an "Associate Producer" not an
"Executive Producer".
Susan
PButler111
>Date: 2/17/2004 9:22 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040217222216...@mb-m25.aol.com>
If theatre is anything like the movies, "associate producer" doesn't mean jack.
"Associate producer" is the credit they give out basically when they want to
make someone feel involved -- say the mayor's wife on a location shoot -- but
it doesn't actually carry any weight.