I can't remember a song title
Anthony Bertorelli
SissonDF <siss...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Barry Manilow wrote a song, the theme for which he "borrowed" from the 3rd
> movement of Rachmoninov's 2nd Symphony. I can't remeber the song's name,
and
> it's driving me nuts. Can someone please help me out?
SissonDF
Will Hammond
Regards,
Will
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Gayle Picaizen
I believe the opening of "CIBM" is "Prelude in C Minor" by Chopin. Then he
used "Dvorak's Symphony #9" as the intro for "A Little Travelling Music,
Please."
Gayle
HHTaylor
movement of Rachmoninov's 2nd Symphony. I can't remeber the song's name,
and it's driving me nuts. Can someone please help me out?
The song is, "A Little Traveling Music, Please," from his purple album.
Hannah
PButler111
>movement of Rachmoninov's 2nd Symphony. I can't remeber the song's name, and
>it's driving me nuts. Can someone please help me out?
"Could It Be Magic"
Donna
> the 3rd
> movement of Rachmoninov's 2nd Symphony. I can't remeber the song's
> name, and
> it's driving me nuts. Can someone please help me out?
It's "If I Should Love Again". (I guess it's a little known fact, but
'tis true).
Donna
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Anthony Bertorelli
I know that Could It Be Magic used Chopin Prelude in C minor
I know A Little Traveling Music, Please used a tune by Dvorak.
As far as If I Should Love Again... I don't know.... But if Donna says it's
the one... it's probably the one
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BSJAD
Gayle Picaizen
HHTaylor <hhta...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Barry Manilow wrote a song, the theme for which he "borrowed" from the 3rd
>movement of Rachmoninov's 2nd Symphony. I can't remeber the song's name,
>and it's driving me nuts. Can someone please help me out?
>
>
>Hannah
>
>
Sorry, I stand by my original reply. Read the liner notes in the purple
album. The intro of "A Little Travelling Music, Please" is from Dvorak's
Symphony #9.
Gayle
PButler111
PButler111
>used "Dvorak's Symphony #9" as the intro for "A Little Travelling Music,
>Please."
>
>Gayle
The Rachmaninoff is "Could It Be Magic."
Donna
"borrowed" from the same Rachmoninov symphony. Eric Carmen used the
music for "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again" and was actually sued by the
Rachmoninov estate. He has to give part of his royalties to them. I
don't know about Barry, though. I don't even think he admits to
"borrowing" it.
I'm pretty sure that it's "If I Should Love Again" because I remember
hearing that Rachmoninov composition and wondering how Barry got away
with it.
"Could It Be Magic" is Chopin's Prelude in C Minor. I don't remember
where "A Little Travelin' Music" came from, although I don't doubt its
Dvorak. And let's not forget "Who Needs To Dream" which is "borrowed"
from Puccini's "Nessun Dorma".(And no, I'm not a musician. I just have
an amazing memory for trivia!)
This whole debate could be solved if the person who originally posted
would tell us which one of us is right!
Anthony Bertorelli
> If I remember my trivia correctly, both Eric Carmen and Barry
> "borrowed" from the same Rachmoninov symphony. Eric Carmen used the
> music for "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again" and was actually sued by the
> Rachmoninov estate.
OMG... the chourus does actually sound similar to If I Should Love
Again.....
>And let's not forget "Who Needs To Dream" which is "borrowed"
> from Puccini's "Nessun Dorma".(And no, I'm not a musician. I just have
> an amazing memory for trivia!)
Now that you mention... Who Needs To Dream also sounds similar to Nessun
Dorma.... I find it hard to imagine that Barry could possibly pull a "Puff
Daddy."
Jackilope
>If I remember my trivia correctly, both Eric Carmen and Barry
>"borrowed" from the same Rachmoninov symphony. Eric Carmen used the
>music for "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again" and was actually sued by the
>Rachmoninov estate. He has to give part of his royalties to them. I
>don't know about Barry, though. I don't even think he admits to
>"borrowing" it.
>
>I'm pretty sure that it's "If I Should Love Again" because I remember
>hearing that Rachmoninov composition and wondering how Barry got away
>with it.
I was at a friend's house for supper and listened to the Rachmoninov piece for
the first time ... and thought of both Barry's "If I Should Love Again" and
Carmen's "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again" and was a bit taken aback over the
concept of "borrowing". (I have a tough time with tunes from the 70's and 80's
used in rap/hiphop too...) Credit was given to Chopin for the Prelude in
"Could It Be Magic", but I don't recall anything in the liners in "If I Should
Love Again". If called on the carpet by the estate, Barry would have to cough
up the cash.... even ears like mine can discern the melody. :-)
Jackie
Scooter
>
> >And let's not forget "Who Needs To Dream" which is "borrowed"
> > from Puccini's "Nessun Dorma".(And no, I'm not a musician. I just have
> > an amazing memory for trivia!)
>
> Now that you mention... Who Needs To Dream also sounds similar to Nessun
> Dorma.... I find it hard to imagine that Barry could possibly pull a "Puff
> Daddy."
Back when Barry first sang "Who Needs To Dream" in early 1985 (I
believe) before the "Copa" movie was filmed, he talked about having to
get permission from the Puccini estate to use the music from "Nessun
Dorma," although he does not give credit on the sheet music, nor the
album liner notes.
However, he does give credit in the liner notes on "A Little Travelin'
Music, Please" to Dvorak's Symphony #9 as the introduction, which was
arranged by Eddie Arkin.
But he does not give credit on the sheet music nor liner notes for the
Rachmaninoff 2nd Symphony, 3rd movement being the inspiration for "If I
Should Love Again."
BTW, some guy on the musical theatre ng said "When October Goes" was
taken from the Adagio movement of Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony. Can
anyone confirm that one? I'm not a classical music buff and only have a
couple of Rachmaninoff lps, neither of which has the 2nd Symphony.
Scooter
Anthony Bertorelli
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> BTW, some guy on the musical theatre ng said "When October Goes" was
> taken from the Adagio movement of Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony. Can
> anyone confirm that one? I'm not a classical music buff and only have a
> couple of Rachmaninoff lps, neither of which has the 2nd Symphony.
Donna mentioned, and now I begin to notice, "When October Goes", she thought
it sounded like "If I Should Love Again". Sort of a slowed down version
(which is Adagio, translated), but she, and also I, know that she mentions
it, was able to interchange the words and melody in each.
Donna
>the one... it's probably the one
LOL! Thanks Anthony! No one has ever taken my absolute word for anything
before.
I know this is going to sound strange, but when I first heard "When October
Goes", I thought it sounded like "If I Should Love Again". Sort of a slowed
down version, but I was able to interchange the words and melody in each (and,
believe me, I have absolutely no musical talent). I think in some interview,
Barry even said that he "borrowed" the melody to "When October Goes" from
himself, but never said which song. (It might have been that interview in
"Pulse" magazine from way back when).
So, I guess it's either one or the other.
Kind of makes you wonder what else Barry "Puff Daddy" Manilow borrowed, doesn't
it?
Donna
"I am in shape. Round's a shape."
SissonDF
>movement of Rachmoninov's 2nd Symphony. I can't remeber the song's name, and
>it's driving me nuts. Can someone please help me out?
>
Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I think the song I'm trying to
remember is "If I Should Love Again", although this Eric Carmen, "Never Gonna
Fall in Love Again," lead interests me. (Do I have the wrong artist associated
with the snippet of melody floating around in my head?)
I'm heading off to my local record shop during my lunch break today to find
out. I'll post what I find, just to bring closure to this message thread.
Thanks again.
Donna
And please tell us what you find out.
Donna
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SissonDF
>> "borrowed" from the same Rachmoninov symphony. Eric Carmen used the
>> music for "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again" and was actually sued by the
>> Rachmoninov estate.
>
>Again.....
>
>> from Puccini's "Nessun Dorma".(And no, I'm not a musician. I just have
>> an amazing memory for trivia!)
>
>Now that you mention... Who Needs To Dream also sounds similar to Nessun
>Dorma.... I find it hard to imagine that Barry could possibly pull a "Puff
>Daddy."
>
>
If anyone is interested, I solved, with your help, my memory lapse.
The song that has been running through my head is Eric Carmen's "Never Gonna
Fall in Love Again". The melody of Carmen's song's refrain is straight from
Rachmaninov. So, I can understand his arrangement with Rachmaninov's estate.
I also tracked down Manilow's "If I should Love Again," and, IMHO, Manilow's in
the clear. While the refrain to "If I Should Love Again" definitely shows
Rachmaninov's influence in the form of a few chord progressions, Manilow's song
is his own creation from start to finish.
As far as I'm concerned the third movement of Rachmaninov's 2nd Symphony is one
of the world's truely beautiful pieces of music, and anything that helps
propagate it to a wider audience is a good thing (to borrow a phase, myself).
Thanks again for all of your help in figuring this out.
LorrieFul
(SissonDF) writes:
>I also tracked down Manilow's "If I should Love Again," and, IMHO, Manilow's
>in
>the clear. While the refrain to "If I Should Love Again" definitely shows
>Rachmaninov's influence in the form of a few chord progressions, Manilow's
>song
>is his own creation from start to finish.
Someone, I'm sure, will correct me if I'm wrong -- but I believe that using the
melodies of "the masters" is NOT illegal. I don't think they were copyrighted
and are considered "public domain." I can remember some infomercials back in
the 60's-70's advertising some records that were "songs of the masters that you
will recognize because they were also hit songs on the radio." Something like
that.
Lorrie
"Use the good china NOW!"
YteRabbit
whole thing, but I remember them talking about "Strangers in Paradise" and
something about the "Polydipsian (sp?) Dance No. 2 by Dvorak". Remember, there
was a really snobby guy and all?
Nice to know Barry was a lot smarter about it than Eric Carmen.
>Someone, I'm sure, will correct me if I'm wrong -- but I believe that using
>the
>melodies of "the masters" is NOT illegal. I don't think they were
>copyrighted
>and are considered "public domain." I can remember some infomercials back
>in
>the 60's-70's advertising some records that were "songs of the masters that
>you
>will recognize because they were also hit songs on the radio." Something
>like
>that.
>
>
Donna
"I don't want to be led into the 21st Century --
I want to arrive fashionably late."
LorrieFul
(YteRabbit) writes:
>I was thinking of that commercial while I read this. I can't remember the
>whole thing, but I remember them talking about "Strangers in Paradise" and
>something about the "Polydipsian (sp?) Dance No. 2 by Dvorak". Remember,
>there
>was a really snobby guy and all?
YES! Donna, that's the one I was thinking of!