Washington Post - Gephardt at DC show
scoot...@earthlink.net
Washington Post Tuesday, April 9, 2002; Page C03
Gephardt's in the Minority in This House, Too
By Lloyd Grove
Staff Writer
Gephardt's in the Minority in This House, Too
Washington fundraiser Karen Krantweiss, who was sitting with her
mother, Susan Krantweiss, at Sunday's Barry Manilow concert at MCI
Center, e-mailed us yesterday: "We were 20 rows from the stage. Just
before the concert started, I noticed a latecomer to my section. . . .
It was Dick Gephardt and his family! Before he sat down, about 10 rows
in front of me, he turned and waved. . . . My question: Is he the fan?
Or was he appeasing his wife?"
So we put the question directly to the House minority leader. "It's
equally divided. We're both fans," said Rep. Gephardt (D-Mo.), who was
sitting near the stage with wife Jane and daughter Chrissy, groovin' to
the music of the man who writes the songs. "I guess you could say there
weren't a lot of men in the audience. There were certainly a lot of
middle-aged women in the place. But at least I didn't have a sign or a
light" -- a reference to Manilow's female fans who sway and sigh in the
seductive darkness and hold a flickering cigarette lighter in a show of
reverential ecstasy.
The 61-year-old Gephardt told us that he remained calm and didn't toss
his boxer shorts onstage. He added that Manilow, a political supporter,
might perform at a Gephardt reelection campaign fundraiser later this
year. "I just try to keep up with the music that the kids are listening
to," he giggled. "We used to listen to Barry Manilow in the 1970s. We'd
play all his hits on the eight-track."
The 29-year-old Krantweiss, meanwhile, told us: "Here's what's really
funny. We were sitting right over the ice and I was very cold. I'm
dying, freezing my butt off, and everyone else is menopausal and having
hot flashes."
"I probably had one, too," Gephardt said.
John Sherwood
ruining our country from the rainbow coalition to affirmative action to
late term abortions.....Gephardt is soooo angry because the Bush
administration isn't asking for the liberals advice on this most
important military effort because simply WHY would they?.....lol......Oh
please say it ain't so that Barry is a supporter and will sing at his
re-election party....oh please SAY IT AIN'T SO.................
Dave
It's not really worth getting into an argument here, but I would suggest
that it's not the "liberal left" that's "ruining our country," as you put
it, but the hatred, bigotry, and intolerance that continues to be preached
in the name of God by right-wing fundamentalists. Far as I'm concerned, the
so-called "Christian Right"... is neither. But that really doesn't matter
when it cones to this discussion.
The fact that Gephardt decided to go to one of Barry's concerts has nothing
to do with Barry's politics. If Jesse Helms went to a Barry concert, would
you conclude that Barry was one of HIS supporters? I'm sure there are people
who simply LIKE Barry's music... on all points of the political spectrum.
And what do Barry's political views have to do with his music anyway?
Dave
"John Sherwood" <NOV...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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BMeskunas
Do you really think a Barry Manilow newsgroup is the appropriate place to start
discussing topics like religion and politics?
Just curious.
RJ NARSAVAGE, JR.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Well said !
- RJ in DC
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"Dave" <bea...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: Well, thank you (NOT) for that little right-wing diatribe...
: >
: >
:
:
Steven Goldstein
the political leader who attended Barry's concert in Washington, I do think
you have a right to post them here. And this is probably a fine place to do
so, especially it grew out of a newspaper article mentioning an albeit
prominent Barry fan. I have to heed my own advice -- for the longest time,
I haven't understood why people get pissed at all the "Is Barry Gay"
postings. Whether that one, or yours, it's a free country and all do seem
to be Barry-related. I can't stand it when people post "OT" warnings - who
died and left anyone king or queen of the rules of this site?
"John Sherwood" <NOV...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Barbaraann165062
I post OT as a courtesy on this board, not because it is demanded or because I
feel like I have to, but if something is non Barry related, I feel like telling
people that they might not be interested in reading something that I write that
has nothing to do with Barry (actually I might do that with more of my posts
that no one might be interested in reading anyway!)
I agree with you, the purpose of this group is that there is no censoring of
anything we say here, which makes it a great place to talk, but there are lots
of posts that I truly wish had OT in them because I would rather not read
arguing, if I want to see that I certainly don't have to be online at a Barry
Manilow board to find it.
There is enough grief and strife anywhere out there, I don't have any desire to
be part of it here:).
Life is rough enough, sometimes you need the escape instead of the reality.
Barbara
All the time I thought there's only me
Crazy in a way no one else could be
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> I can't stand it when people post "OT" warnings - who
> died and left anyone king or queen of the rules of this site?
>
>
that goes back to the Nettiquette thing. kinda like the 10 commandments of
usenet. what you should do and shouldn't do. you are supposed to post
according to the group. You wouldn't want the manilow group full of Ozzy
Osbourne posts, so it's a courtesy to mark things off topic when they
aren't related to the group.. I'm guilty of forgetting to do that myself.
It's kind of like not posting binaries to this group since it isn't a
binaries group. you can do it..but you aren't supposed to and if you do it
TOO much..news servers will filter the binaries out because they don't
belong here. you can actually lose your ISP for posting against the FAQ of
a group if too many people complain. (if the group has one)
PButler111
>From: Return2Sender R...@RIAA.com
>Date: 4/14/2002 8:32 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Xns91F0DB4C...@24.129.0.136>
>
>"Steven Goldstein" <Gold...@usa.net> wrote in news:5Apu8.89890
>$9N1.10...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com:
>
>> I can't stand it when people post "OT" warnings - who
>> died and left anyone king or queen of the rules of this site?
>>
>>
>
>that goes back to the Nettiquette thing. kinda like the 10 commandments of
>usenet. what you should do and shouldn't do. you are supposed to post
>according to the group. You wouldn't want the manilow group full of Ozzy
>Osbourne posts, so it's a courtesy to mark things off topic when they
>aren't related to the group
Considering the fact that one of the nasties turns pretty much every post into
some sort of rant against me if things quiet down for more than a minute, it's
probably more efficient to assume all posts are off-topic and just specially
indicate those rare posts that are actually about Barry Manilow.
John Sherwood
you read the article....it said Barry was a political supporter of
Gephardts and was considering singing at his election gala or something
like that....#2...the 'Christian right' may be too extreme in many cases
and seems to not be filled with 'christian love' but more 'hellfire and
brimstone' as it must be understood that most of those groups are
fundamentalist protestant orginizations who tend to take things out of
context and misinterpret...however...they do make a few valid points in
reference to family and moralistic values..notice i said few.....however
i was 100% correct about my statements on the liberal left ruining our
nation from within..for example, Dick Gephardt and many other fellow
democrats ---Clinton/Gore---twice vetoed a ban on late term abortions
during Clintons 2 terms.....that is when the baby from between 7 to 9
months of development in the womb gets brutally murdered..torn
apart....brought out still alive while the Dr breaks the babys neck and
leaves the child after the procedure to die on a medical table ....Mr
Gephardt and other fellow liberals think this is acceptable and should
be protected by law......now i can search my mind and i can't for the
LIFE of me think of a more
evil...horrible....destructive....awful....thing than this......a
persons views do say quite a lot about them as individuals.....i ask
you.....do you think this is o.k>???.....whats next...ahh
bigotry.....affirmative action selects people based on their color
reguadless of qualifications to be hired for a position over a more
qualified applicant .....now what's racist ??........did you know that
even a 7 week old fetus has tiny little HANDS AND FEET?........why do so
many democrats think this is o.k.?????........lets get back to bigots i
think is the word you used......doesnt it appear that a black man is
over in the middle east right now as our representative trying to propel
peace in the region......a black man chosen by those bigoted Bush
republicans right?....amazing how Bush wants to stop the baby killing
too.....each and every time America has had an economic boom there has
been a Repubican congress.....our inner cities are vast wastelands of
crime and poverty because they are prodominatly run by liberal democrats
who try to create a people dependant on goverment because of their need
for power and control....another question for you.....why are
conservatives vasty successful in radio?...because they can explain
their case throughly for 3 hours each and every day and liberals who
have little or no voice in the arena wouldnt last one day because their
lies would be quite transparent when given longer than 2
hours???.....there are a million reasons why liberalism is cancerous and
unamerican reasons which if it wasnt so late i would go into
furthur.....but the abortion issue is such a disgrace....shame shame
shame.....pray for those little babies who go through such a violent,
painful death.....shame shame shame
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> Considering the fact that one of the nasties turns pretty much every
> post into some sort of rant against me if things quiet down for more
> than a minute,
hmmmm..didn't that happen in the Doors newsgroup also?
Dave
I've already stated that I'm not going to start an argument with you here.
No matter how wrong I think you may be... this is NOT the place for it.
Dave
"John Sherwood" <NOV...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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RJ NARSAVAGE, JR.
Your post is:
[a] Misplaced in a BARRY MANILOW newsgroup;
[b] Full of inaccuracies;
[c] Full of generalizations used as statements of facts in all cases; and,
[d] Full of your ignorance.
I will be happy to discuss this in the correct forum, i.e. through private
emails or instant messaging or in the CORRECT APPROPRIATE newsgroup.
I am sure I will get publicly flamed by you, so have at it.
- RJ in DC
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"John Sherwood" <NOV...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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< snipped because he doesn't need to be reposted >
John Sherwood
John Sherwood
just by declaring what Gephardt votes for is just silly...lol.....i will
get to those posts later as i am in a good mood and wanted to talk with
at least a nicer conjucal soul to begin with before i go to
work.....lol.......the article did say Barry was a supporer of
his......just stating what Barry may support in a Barry chat
room.....although Truth be told...Barry has never spoken publically
abpout specific issues like that.....but if he does support Gephardt
than i suppose he would be in favor of those terrible things i hope
not......Peace, John
scoot...@earthlink.net
> ...Barry has never spoken publically
> abpout specific issues like that.....
No, he hasn't. Barry has always been pretty tight lipped about his
politics. I do remember him saying on Entertainment Tonight when he was
about to perform for President Clinton's inauguration, "He has the
potential to be the greatest president in our history." And he has
appeared at various Democrat fund raisers now and then.
He did have a slight variation in political direction back in 2000. His
fan club sent out a message back in February, 2000, to everyone signed
up for their email list, encourging them to attend a debate between John
Hagelin and Pat Buchanan. Here's that message:
======
Subject: Fan Request For Illinois
Date: 12 Feb 2000 00:55:37 -0000
From: "Manilow Hotline" <manilo...@listbot.com>
To: List Member
Manilow Hotline - http://www.manilow.com
Just in case you happen to live in Illinois...and happened to be
interested in politics....we're all curious about an upcoming debate
between Dr. John Hagelin of the Natural Law Party and Pat Buchanan of
the Reform Party. Hagelin has been gaining support in the entertainment
industry and we're all curious about what he's about and what he has to
say. They debate Saturday...Feb 12 at Illinois Wesleyan
University...Memorial Student Center...2 PM. If you're able to
attend...and email us back with your thoughts and impressions...it would
be greatly appreciated.
==========
It was later reported in the Miami Herald that Barry gave a contribution
to Dr. Hagelin's campaign. Dr. Hagelin failed miserably at his
presidential attempt.
That's the extent of Barry's political involvement that I've read,
except he was supposed to be the talent at a Gephardt fund raiser on
Sept. 14, which was canceled after Sept. 11. I'd guess this upcoming
event is that one rescheduled.
I have no desire to debate Barry's politics. I just thought I'd let you
know some facts I've come across in the past couple of years.
Scooter
PButler111
>Date: 4/16/2002 12:09 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3CBC5AB5...@earthlink.net>
>
>John Sherwood wrote:
>
>> ...Barry has never spoken publically
>> abpout specific issues like that.....
>
>
>No, he hasn't. Barry has always been pretty tight lipped about his
>politics. I do remember him saying on Entertainment Tonight when he was
>about to perform for President Clinton's inauguration, "He has the
>potential to be the greatest president in our history." And he has
>appeared at various Democrat fund raisers now and then.
Lately Barry seems to be supporting the National Labor Party. You can check
out his donations through the years (and other people's) by visiting
http://politicalmoneyline.com.
pb
mme30
"PButler111" <pbutl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Lately Barry seems to be supporting the National Labor Party. You can
check
> out his donations through the years (and other people's) by visiting
> http://politicalmoneyline.com.
>
> pb
In fact, Barry has contributed to the NLP - which is the Natural Law Party,
totally and completely different from a Labor Party.
Baldwin130
Party, which can also be the NLP. There was even a hotline message a few years
ago to urge people to go see him debate someone in Chicago.
Hope Barry's political affliation is not included in your new chapter, or you
have time to edit and correct it.
I found it interesting that under one contribution he was listed as
Entertainer, and the other two as Musician.
Lori F.
PButler111
>Date: 4/17/2002 10:37 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020417113742...@mb-mc.aol.com>
Why would Barry's past political contributions be included in a chapter
updating his activities since last summer?
scoot...@earthlink.net
>
> >Barry seems to be supporting the National Labor Party.
> Don't think so, Patricia. John Hagelin is a candidate for the Natural Law
> Party, which can also be the NLP. There was even a hotline message a few years
> ago to urge people to go see him debate someone in Chicago.
> Hope Barry's political affliation is not included in your new chapter, or you
> have time to edit and correct it.
This is true. If you look at the actual image of the paperwork:
http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?20036662548
...you'll see it's the National Law Party. He gave a donation in 1999
to Hagelin 2000, and one to the "NLP of the US of A" in 2000.
> I found it interesting that under one contribution he was listed as
> Entertainer, and the other two as Musician.
He was also listed as "Singer" and "Songwriter/Singer" for other
contributions through the years. :)
Scooter
Baldwin130
>updating his activities since last summer?
Since I don't read 3/4 of the garbage you write here, I didn't catch anything
where you said what was going to be in the chapter, just knew somewhere along
the line you mentioned one.
Lori F.
PButler111
>From: baldw...@aol.comnospam (Baldwin130)
>Message-id: <20020417133801...@mb-mi.aol.com>
I'm not sure where your hostility comes from, but if you don't bother to read
3/4 of someone's posts, then maybe you should refrain from commenting on the
other 1/4, as you yourself admit you're not fully informed.
ga...@martnet.com
Why is it so hard for you to admit that you were wrong? You thought NLP
was the National Labor Party. Lori corrected you and told you it was the
National Law Party. Since you researched this fact as well as you
researched the rest of facts in your book, she had good reason to wonder
if it would be in your new chapter. But then you research all your facts
in the same manner. I along with many others here are waiting for your
reply (or apology) to Brenda regarding your wrong information as to her
occupation at The Wall Street Journal.
BMeskunas
>in the same manner. I along with many others here are waiting for your
>reply (or apology) to Brenda regarding your wrong information as to her
>occupation at The Wall Street Journal.
Forget it, Gayle. Hell will freeze over before Patricia (aka: "liar and
fraud") ever admits she made a gross error. She's simply too insecure to do
so.
And watch out you don't mention her WSJ blunder again, or she'll "shitcan" you
too! LOL!
ga...@martnet.com
I've been in there for a long time. I kinda like it in there. Lots of nice
people keeping me company. :)
BMeskunas
>you
>> too! LOL!
>>
>
>I've been in there for a long time. I kinda like it in there. Lots of nice
>people keeping me company. :)
>
You, me and Oscar the Grouch!
LOL! Let's have a party!
mme30
"BMeskunas" <bmes...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hey - I resent being called a Grouch! Hi Gayle - Hi Brenda. In here with
ya.
Not2233
what I want about Pat and not have her respond. I like it in here:)
Sherry
MAGICIN95
>people keeping me company. :)
>
Welcome! Drinks and munchies are on the tables to your left and if you follow
the plush carpet to the viewing room you'll be able to sit back on comfortable
sofas to watch Manilow videos and listen to the new album.
Enjoy!
Magic
Baldwin130
>other 1/4, as you yourself admit you're not fully informed.
>
book, your posts, or otherwise. You may not like it,but you won't intimidate me
into not posting it by being nasty in your replies.
I was fully informed about the information included in the post I responded
to by doing the research and going to the link you yourself suggested.
It's not my fault you didn't look further into to the politics, and guessed
wrong about what the initials NLP are the abbreviation for. You get awfully
defensive when someone points out your errors.
Lori F.
PButler111
>From: baldw...@aol.comnospam (Baldwin130)
>Message-id: <20020418083147...@mb-fe.aol.com>
>
>>you should refrain from commenting on the
>>other 1/4, as you yourself admit you're not fully informed.
>>
> I think, like anyone else here, that I can comment on anything I wish -
>your
>book, your posts, or otherwise. You may not like it,but you won't intimidate
>me
>into not posting it by being nasty in your replies.
No one tried to intimidate you in any way. Actually, I responded to you in
exactly the same way you came after me. So if you don't like people being
nasty to you, maybe you should think about not being nasty to them first.
> I was fully informed about the information included in the post I
>responded
>to by doing the research and going to the link you yourself suggested.
No one said you weren't.
> It's not my fault you didn't look further into to the politics, and guessed
>wrong about what the initials NLP are the abbreviation for.
No one said it was. I provided an interesting link as a courtesy -- don't all
fall all over yourselves thanking me, now -- and didn't spend a lot of time on
it. In fact, not anywhere near as much time as you've now spent insulting me
needlessly.
You get awfully
>defensive when someone points out your errors.
> Lori F.
No, actually, I get awfully defensive when someone who admits that she's
willfully ignorant of most of my writing characterizes it as "garbage" and says
other baselessly nasty things. And, if you think you didn't do that, maybe you
need a brief reminder:
Subject: Re: Washington Post - Gephardt at DC show
From: baldw...@aol.comnospam (Baldwin130)
Date: 4/17/2002 12:38 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <20020417133801...@mb-mi.aol.com>
>Why would Barry's past political contributions be included in a chapter
>updating his activities since last summer?
Since I don't read 3/4 of the garbage you write here, I didn't catch anything
where you said what was going to be in the chapter, just knew somewhere along
the line you mentioned one.
Lori F.
You get awfully defensive when your own truly rotten behavior is pointed out to
you, don't you?
BMeskunas
>to
>you, don't you?
>
Too hilarious.
This coming from our resident "liar and fraud."
Lori didn't insult you -- she merely stated facts. Actually, I thought she was
quite generous when she said only 3/4 of the stuff you write is garbage. I
would have upped that fraction to 15/16.
Before you start lecturing someone on their "rotten behavior", perhaps you'd
better explain your own. You still owe me a public apology for blatantly lying
about my occupation and claims I had allegedly made about it.
Brenda
P.S. I can't believe you then turned around and screwed up posting about
Barry's political views -- and naming the wrong party! Hasn't anyone ever told
you that being too lazy to fact-check is NOT the most desirable trait in a
biographer? LOL!
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oh, quit teasing..I been trying to get there for weeks..lol..what's your
secret?
John Sherwood
Not2233
>secret?
Wellll, it took me like two years to get here. I was in I was out. It was
like a tennis match. But, I must say this is the longest I've been in. I look
forward to seeing you here soon:) Maybe if we all go in that will eliminate
the problem:)
Sherry
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> I look
> forward to seeing you here soon:) Maybe if we all go in that will
> eliminate the problem:)
>
> Sherry
>
>
Pat Plonked me yesterday..say THAT ten times real fast... lol