Tina1
#1 49ER FAN!!!!!!!!
THERE'S NO WHINING IN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!
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EXCUSE ME!!! Its a Garth Brooks song, Barry redid it
in my opinion, so does Barry's version of If Tomorrow Never Comes.
And did you ever notice that Barry doesn't seem to need to hook himself
to a wire and fly over the heads of his audience to entertain them? He
does really well without the trapeze act.
I'll take Barry's passion, melody, and music over Garth's bombast,
aerial antics, and over-the-top theatrics any time.
Scooter
then, I guess you haven't listen to much og Garth. Hie has some extremely
emotional songs with lyrics that are incredibly AWESOME!
I saw Garth running around on a stage literally yelling the words to this
beautiful song. No passion or feeling for its lyrics whatsoever. Did he
write the lyrics or only the melody? The picture in my mind, whenever I hear
Barry sing this song, is quiet relection of how fragile love can be and how
suddenly it may become too late to tell your loved one what's in your heart.
Not the picture I got when Garth ran around the stage yelling these same
lyrics, out-of-breath, as if it were a contest to see how loudly he could
sing the words and still have the audience understand them. As a matter
of fact, I didn't recognize it at first when he was singing it. It took
me awhile to realize that it was the same beautiful song that Barry sings.
Gayle
Lisa A
So you whine everywhere else? BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
bragging....
Now to the on-topic part of this message. Look, lady, I live in small-town
Texas, where they live and breathe country music. I have the first several of
Garth's CDs, and have played them frequently, but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts
emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
the original.
Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from writing
songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
Australia!! So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their
collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.
BIG credibility problem here. Barry was certainly NOT trying to cross over to
country when he recorded If Tomorrow Never Comes. But it seems like Garth's
been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something he
cannot be: a rock and roll star.
Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career, he's said "screw the
critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those
of us who are his fans. We maybe haven't always understood the direction he
took musically, but we loved him anyway.
When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility
here. In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,
is a nice two-step. Barry made it a SONG instead of background music for a
bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in their
Wranglers.
Julie :-)
Where have I whined?
>BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
>bragging....
where have I bragged?....and 3-1 isn't a bad start on the season.....so, what
would you know?
> but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts
>emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
>the original.
>
>
That's YOUR opinion and you're entitled to it....I think differently though.
>Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from
>writing
>songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
>Australia!!
Its called acting....ever hear of it??
> So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their
>collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.
I seriously doubt that.
>But it seems like Garth's
>been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something
>he
>cannot be: a rock and roll star.
We'll see about that....but, when was the last time Barry got anything current
on the air? Don't get me wrong.....I'm a HUGE Barry fan.....but, I don't think
Garth should be downplayed one bit, he has talent and being the number 1
selling artist of all time says a lot, dontcha think??
>Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career
thats not true....he never wanted to record "I write the songs" Clive made him
do it, saying it would be a big pop song, which we all know it was, but it
wasn't his choice to do it.
> he's said "screw the
>critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those
>of us who are his fans.
NOW, he is.....but, at the beginning of his career he wasn't. He just NOW knows
that he has a fan base, like us, who will buy whatever he puts out, cuz we
think he's that great. However, I feel the same way about Garth.
> We maybe haven't always understood the direction he
>took musically, but we loved him anyway.
true.
>
>When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility
>here.
he has PLENTY of credibility....I didn't know YOU were in charge of handing
that out.
>In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,
>is a nice two-step.
YOUR opinion
>instead of background music for a
>bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in
>their
>Wranglers.
>
>
I assume you are speaking of yourself.
Julie wrote:
> >Tina1
> >#1 49ER FAN!!!!!!!!
> >THERE'S NO WHINING IN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!
> >
>
> So you whine everywhere else? BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
> bragging....
>
> Now to the on-topic part of this message. Look, lady, I live in small-town
> Texas, where they live and breathe country music. I have the first several of
> Garth's CDs, and have played them frequently, but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts
> emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
> the original.
>
> Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from writing
> songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
> Australia!! So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their
> collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.
>
> BIG credibility problem here. Barry was certainly NOT trying to cross over to
> country when he recorded If Tomorrow Never Comes. But it seems like Garth's
> been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something he
> cannot be: a rock and roll star.
>
> Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career, he's said "screw the
> critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those
> of us who are his fans. We maybe haven't always understood the direction he
> took musically, but we loved him anyway.
>
> When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility
> here. In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,
> is a nice two-step. Barry made it a SONG instead of background music for a
> bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in their
> Wranglers.
>
> Julie :-)
Tinas49ers wrote:
> >So you whine everywhere else?
>
> Where have I whined?
>
> >BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
> >bragging....
>
> where have I bragged?....and 3-1 isn't a bad start on the season.....so, what
> would you know?
>
> > but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts
> >emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
> >the original.
> >
> >
>
> That's YOUR opinion and you're entitled to it....I think differently though.
>
> >Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from
> >writing
> >songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
> >Australia!!
>
> Its called acting....ever hear of it??
>
> > So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their
> >collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.
>
> I seriously doubt that.
>
> >But it seems like Garth's
> >been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something
> >he
> >cannot be: a rock and roll star.
>
> We'll see about that....but, when was the last time Barry got anything current
> on the air? Don't get me wrong.....I'm a HUGE Barry fan.....but, I don't think
> Garth should be downplayed one bit, he has talent and being the number 1
> selling artist of all time says a lot, dontcha think??
>
> >Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career
>
> thats not true....he never wanted to record "I write the songs" Clive made him
> do it, saying it would be a big pop song, which we all know it was, but it
> wasn't his choice to do it.
>
> > he's said "screw the
> >critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those
> >of us who are his fans.
>
> NOW, he is.....but, at the beginning of his career he wasn't. He just NOW knows
> that he has a fan base, like us, who will buy whatever he puts out, cuz we
> think he's that great. However, I feel the same way about Garth.
>
> > We maybe haven't always understood the direction he
> >took musically, but we loved him anyway.
>
> true.
>
> >
> >When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility
> >here.
>
> he has PLENTY of credibility....I didn't know YOU were in charge of handing
> that out.
>
> >In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,
> >is a nice two-step.
>
> YOUR opinion
>
> >instead of background music for a
> >bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in
> >their
> >Wranglers.
> >
> >
>
> I assume you are speaking of yourself.
Candee From CA
First of all..As for the "high wire act" maybe you haven't noticed but that is
very NEW element to Garth's shows. He is very energetic and sometimes does
crazy stunts. It must be working the man sells a heck of alot of CD's (Current
CD excluded). The "high wire" is a gimmick. Just like....CSWY! I know I will
be shot for that act of herecy but...I said it! Its a gimmick. No different
than Garth!!
Now...as for the song in question..I only saw Garth perform the song twice.
Both times he was very sincere, very lyrical, and very very emotional. Who
sings the song better....WHO CARES!!!
Alan
Alan
Gayle
In article <19991010014844...@ng-cf1.aol.com>,
Just found this info on Kent Blazy:
> Kent Blazy
>
> A Kentucky native, Kent Blazy has co-written with Garth Brooks on many of
> Brooks’ hit songs including "Ain’t Goin Down (‘Til the Sun Comes Up)," "If
> Tomorrow Never Comes" and "She’s Gonna Make It." He has also written
> such hits as "That’s What I Get For Lovin’ You" by Diamond Rio and "No End
> To This World" by Restless Heart.
Scooter
I'm not sure what you are looking at, but according to both my Barry complete
collection AND Garths boxed set, it gives credit to BOTH for writing the
lyrics.
>. Not being familiar with country music, I
>have no idea who he is.
that's too bad, Garth is a talent like not many others.
> Has he written the lyrics to any other popular
>country song? I'm just wondering if his skills as a lyricist always
>produce such beautiful, thoughtful lyrics. :)
He does write a lot of his own lyrics. If you want to check out an AWESOME
Garth Brooks song, check out The Red Strokes, which he co-wrote......The
passion in that song is incredible. Its off his In Pieces CD.
The book in Barry's boxed set. Garth Brooks/Kent Blazy. This usually
means that the first name wrote the music and the second name wrote the
lyrics. If they wrote it together, the credit usually has the word "and"
between the two names, not a "/".
>>. Not being familiar with country music, I
>>have no idea who he is.
>
>that's too bad, Garth is a talent like not many others.
>
I do live on this planet. I know who Garth Brooks is. I have no idea who
Kent Blazy is. I have seen Garth perform and do not share your opinion of
his talent. It does not come close to Barry's talent and musical genius.
IMHO.
>> Has he written the lyrics to any other popular
>>country song? I'm just wondering if his skills as a lyricist always
>>produce such beautiful, thoughtful lyrics. :)
>
>He does write a lot of his own lyrics. If you want to check out an AWESOME
>Garth Brooks song, check out The Red Strokes, which he co-wrote......The
>passion in that song is incredible. Its off his In Pieces CD.
>
Again, I was asking about Kent Blazy, not Garth Brooks. I think Mr.
Blazy's lyrics for this song are beautiful.
Gayle
P.S. An added note to Scooter. Thanks for the info about Kent Blazy in your
previous post. You did understand who I was asking about. :)
Alan
As a performer? I will never deny Barry's talent as a songwriter, arranger,
and producer. And in that area Garth Brooks would have a hard time shining
Barry's shoes. But as a performer? Garth does do killer shows!
>Again, I was asking about Kent Blazy, not Garth Brooks. I think Mr.
>Blazy's lyrics for this song are beautiful.
>
I'm curious, do you examine the lyric writing credit on Barry's songs as
strongly as you have here for this song. How many of Barry's songs did HE
write the lyrics to?
Alan
While I agree with the later that Garth's shows doesn't need the high wire to
be good, I do disagree with the former that the high wire is theatrics. It is
a gimmick. No different than picking a girl to sing a song.
Alan
NO, it means they were co-written together.....I'm not sure where you got YOUR
info from.
>If they wrote it together, the credit usually has the word "and"
>between the two names, not a "/".
>
>
Then, in the the case of Who Needs to Dream if Barry wrote the music, and
Sussman wrote the lyrics, what did Feldman and Butler do?????
>I do live on this planet. I know who Garth Brooks is
Lets hope so!!
> I have no idea who
>Kent Blazy is.
Neither do I....obviously a great writer
>I have seen Garth perform and do not share your opinion of
>his talent.
then you are one of the few
> It does not come close to Barry's talent and musical genius.
>IMHO.
I'll agree with that, but that doesn't make him untalented either. He ROCKS!!
And Barry doesn't? :)
>>
>I'm curious, do you examine the lyric writing credit on Barry's songs as
>strongly as you have here for this song. How many of Barry's songs did HE
>write the lyrics to?
>
>Alan
>
>
I sure do. While I cannot give you a complete list, I can name approx. 10
songs.
Music & Lyrics by Barry Manilow
1. If I Should Love Again
2. One Voice
3. Sweet Life
4. Say The Words
5. I Haven't Changed The Room
6. One Of These Days
7. You're Lookin' Hot Tonight
8. Put A Quarter In The Jukebox
9. Sweetwater Jones
10. Stay - Music & Lyrics by James Jolis, Kevin DiSimone, & Barry Manilow (I
understand that Barry had more to do with the lyrics than the music in
this one.)
Can anyone add to my list?
Gayle
If you know anything about Barry's collaborators, you know that Bruce
Sussman and Jack Feldman are lyricists. Artie Butler usually conducts or
arranges (or both) for Barry. Occasionally Barry and Artie Butler
will co-arrange a song. Perhaps he had a small part in the writing of
this song?
Gayle
did he say Barry doesn't? This was not intended to be a Barry vs Garth argument
as the both are unique in their own talents.
Exactly! Barry is a very strong musician, arranger, and writer. As a
performer he has his moments to be certain, and Barry is still a mover of
emotions.
Garth is not as strong in his musical abilities but he is without a doubt the
master showman. His shows are full of energy, fun, and never ever forgetting
what it was like to be fan. So some prefer Choclate cheesecake and others
prefer strawberry cheesecake. Either way its great!!
Alan
Finally...a voice of reason. While reading this string, all I could think
of was that we were doing the same thing between Garth vs. Barry that the
critics have been doing to Barry vs. Sinatra.
Barry did his own interpretation of Garth's song just like he did his own
interpretation of Sinatra's songs. No two artists sing the same song
exactly the same way.
I'm not a big Garth fan, but I like his version of "If Tomorrow Never Comes"
as a COUNTRY song. I like Barry's version as a POP ballad.
Donna G
Donna G
You have done your homework!! I have forgotten about "I haven't changed the
room" what a pretty little song! Notice though how many of those songs were
Have you been following the theme of the arguement? No arguement from me, the
point was about "If Tomorrow Never Comes" and who wrote it. So even IF Garth
didn't write it, according to your arguement it doesn't matter! So what was
the arguement about then?
Alan
That actually started in the 80's. Around the same time as when the musicians
used to record a CD started to differ greatly from the musicians he took on the
road.
Alan
I'm surprised you didn't mention Cathy Rigby in Peter Pan. Yes what David does
is theatrics. However, unless you expect a singer to do this, you can't call
it theatrics. Funny thing is when Garth flies I have never sat up and said WOW
I more likely said "what a meshuguna (crazy person)".
Alan
I really dislike country music and don't really care for Garth Brooks (sorry -
but it's just my personal musical taste!). But, I bought ONE cassette tape of
Garth's called "The Hits - Limited Time Only" because I just HAD to have a copy
of his "The Dance" and "If Tomorrow Never Comes."
Here is what the liner notes quote Garth as saying about ITNC: "If Tomorrow
Never Comes" will probably always be my signature song. I ran the idea for
this song by what seemed like a thousand writers and no one really seemed to
understand what I was looking for. On the day that Bob Doyle, my co-manager,
introduced me to Kent Blazy, I passed this idea by Kent and he had the first
verse down within fifteen seconds. I could tell he just felt it. Kent Blazy
is a wonderful man, full of love and energy, and if we never write again, I
hope that we are always friends first. Thank you Ireland for this moment."
I have heard Barry say over the years about a song that he "had an idea" and
got together with his collaborators. The lyricist eventually comes up with the
words, but Barry knew what he wanted to say and left the poetry to the poets.
Garth's version of ITNC is very soft with a bit of that country "twang."
Barry's has his usual formula of starting quietly and ending with a BIG BANG.
I think they both do the song great justice with their own signature styles.
Lorrie
"Use the good china NOW!"
Yes, Barry puts a lot of heart, soul and passion to his ballads more
than any other singer IMO. That's why I have been a fan of his all these
years. In addition to that, his bright personality shines through in
what he does best, entertains us with his unique talent and showmanship.
Garth is OK in my book as I have seen him put alot of himself in what he
does also. Let's be fair and give credit to them both. As someone said
before, "It's a matter of taste."
Sandy
Oh Sandy...I take it you've never been picked? I got picked on my very
first try (21 years after my first concert) on July 29, 1999 and it was a
dream come true. I even sang in the right key and wasn't nervous at all.
I would do it again in a heartbeat...but I've had my turn.
Donna G
Irish Lassie
A man who can't laugh at himself, should be given a mirror
Donna G wrote:
>Oh Sandy...I take it you've never been picked? I got picked
>on my very first try (21 years after my first concert) on July
>29, 1999 and it was a dream come true. I even sang in the right
>key and wasn't nervous at all.
>I would do it again in a heartbeat...but I've had my turn.
>Donna G
No Donna, I have never been picked, though I do admit being a bit
envious of those brave enough and lucky enough to be chosen. Surely if
Barry plucked me out of the audience, someone would have to drag me up
there and then pick me up off the floor (so in awe of the man, I am...
LOL).
Congratulations on having your dream come true! No doubt the CSWY
segment will continue and that's fine. Barry knows how to please his
fans. It is just that personally, this particular part of his show is
not my favorite. I've seen it over and over. I will probably still
continue to cringe the next time I see it. That doesn't mean that I am
not happy for the ladies who do get that honor of singing with Barry.
Sandy
Gayle
In article <19991012174543...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,
Not entirely true. I never liked Country Music until I saw Garth at Central
Park. Now...I still don't like Country Music that much, but I am a huge fan of
Garth and do like some other Country Performers mainly Dixie Chicks, Trisha,
Alabama.
>The thing that I find most appealing about Garth Brooks is
>his attitude towards his fans. This is a man that definitely knows where his
>paycheck is coming from and is always appreciative of it. No matter how you
>feel about his singing, songwriting or performance ability, you have to
>applaud
>him for his commitment to his fans. How many other artists, give major gifts
>to
>every millionth customer who attends their concerts?
How many other artists can still draw a million fans? Garth has never
forgotten what its like to be a fan and that is the secret of his magic!
Alan
He doesn't have to do that to "sell". He could just sit there on a stool and he
is still one of the hottest talents today.
Excuse me, but I believe you just made a comparison, more than one. "two
interpretations", "both singers evoking something different from each of us",
"he doesn't do some of them as well as the original". These are
comparisons, IMHO. Whether I think he's the "ONE AND ONLY" vocal stylist
on earth and you don't is not the point here. (Although that could be
construed as one more comparison.) The point is, when any singers sing
the same song, comparisons are made. Not necessarily who is better, just
the fact that you believe they interpret the same song in different ways
is a comparison on its own.
Gayle
Merriam-Webster Dictionary
compare - to examine for likenesses and differences
Donna dear, I've been wrong many times, but not this time. Perhaps you
should have read what I wrote, instead of what you think I wrote? Are
you able to understand the above definition, or do you have trouble reading
everything and not only what I write?
Gayle