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Tinas49ers

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Oct 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/3/99
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I'm sorry, I listened to Barry sing it and I still keep with the opinion that
Garth Brooks does it WAY better than Barry does---this coming from a 25 year
long Barry fan. However, thats just MY opinion.

Tina1
#1 49ER FAN!!!!!!!!
THERE'S NO WHINING IN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!

sendmoney2me

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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at the very least you have to think that barry's arrangement is better.
garth's version is way too simple


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CSManiac

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Oct 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/7/99
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This is one Barry song that my husband will blast. Usually, he is ready for
frisbee with Barry CD's. Gwen

Tinas49ers

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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>This is one Barry song that my husband will blast. Usually, he is ready for
>frisbee with Barry CD's. Gwen

EXCUSE ME!!! Its a Garth Brooks song, Barry redid it

BSJAD

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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So, Frank Sinatra didn't write My Way either (Paul Anka did...but Pauls'
version sucks).

Tinas49ers

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>So, Frank Sinatra didn't write My Way either (Paul Anka did...but Pauls'
>version sucks).

in my opinion, so does Barry's version of If Tomorrow Never Comes.

BSJAD

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guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, but then I feel that MOST of
Garth's performance are without feeling or nuance

Scooter

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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BSJAD wrote:
>
> guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, but then I feel that MOST of
> Garth's performance are without feeling or nuance


And did you ever notice that Barry doesn't seem to need to hook himself
to a wire and fly over the heads of his audience to entertain them? He
does really well without the trapeze act.

I'll take Barry's passion, melody, and music over Garth's bombast,
aerial antics, and over-the-top theatrics any time.

Scooter


Tinas49ers

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>guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, but then I feel that MOST of
>Garth's performance are without feeling or nuance

then, I guess you haven't listen to much og Garth. Hie has some extremely
emotional songs with lyrics that are incredibly AWESOME!

Tinas49ers

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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>And did you ever notice that Barry doesn't seem to need to hook himself
>to a wire and fly over the heads of his audience to entertain them? He
>does really well without the trapeze act.
>
>I'll take Barry's passion, melody, and music over Garth's bombast,
>aerial antics, and over-the-top theatrics any time.
>
>Scooter
>
>
Luckily, I can have both!

sendmoney2me

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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barry admires garth too. he said garth made him interested in country
music didn't he? or something like that. garth's version is good, but
it's too primitive sounding. barry's arrangement makes the song.
barry's arrangement and garth's lyrics that is.

Gayle Picaizen

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Oct 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/8/99
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In article <37FE7134...@flash.net>, Scooter <wt...@flash.net> wrote:
>
>And did you ever notice that Barry doesn't seem to need to hook himself
>to a wire and fly over the heads of his audience to entertain them? He
>does really well without the trapeze act.
>
>I'll take Barry's passion, melody, and music over Garth's bombast,
>aerial antics, and over-the-top theatrics any time.
>
>Scooter
>

I saw Garth running around on a stage literally yelling the words to this
beautiful song. No passion or feeling for its lyrics whatsoever. Did he
write the lyrics or only the melody? The picture in my mind, whenever I hear
Barry sing this song, is quiet relection of how fragile love can be and how
suddenly it may become too late to tell your loved one what's in your heart.
Not the picture I got when Garth ran around the stage yelling these same
lyrics, out-of-breath, as if it were a contest to see how loudly he could
sing the words and still have the audience understand them. As a matter
of fact, I didn't recognize it at first when he was singing it. It took
me awhile to realize that it was the same beautiful song that Barry sings.

Gayle

brokein2

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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Scooter <wt...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:37FE7134...@flash.net...

> BSJAD wrote:
> >
> > guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, but then I feel that MOST
of
> > Garth's performance are without feeling or nuance
>
>
> And did you ever notice that Barry doesn't seem to need to hook himself
> to a wire and fly over the heads of his audience to entertain them? He
> does really well without the trapeze act.
>
> I'll take Barry's passion, melody, and music over Garth's bombast,
> aerial antics, and over-the-top theatrics any time.
>
> Scooter
> I'll second that, other than Barry, I have listened to country music my
whole life-never did
care for all the Garth hype though.

Lisa A


Julie

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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>Tina1
>#1 49ER FAN!!!!!!!!
>THERE'S NO WHINING IN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!
>

So you whine everywhere else? BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
bragging....

Now to the on-topic part of this message. Look, lady, I live in small-town
Texas, where they live and breathe country music. I have the first several of
Garth's CDs, and have played them frequently, but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts
emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
the original.

Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from writing
songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
Australia!! So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their
collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.

BIG credibility problem here. Barry was certainly NOT trying to cross over to
country when he recorded If Tomorrow Never Comes. But it seems like Garth's
been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something he
cannot be: a rock and roll star.

Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career, he's said "screw the
critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those
of us who are his fans. We maybe haven't always understood the direction he
took musically, but we loved him anyway.

When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility
here. In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,
is a nice two-step. Barry made it a SONG instead of background music for a
bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in their
Wranglers.

Julie :-)

Tinas49ers

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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>So you whine everywhere else?

Where have I whined?

>BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
>bragging....

where have I bragged?....and 3-1 isn't a bad start on the season.....so, what
would you know?

> but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts
>emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
>the original.
>
>

That's YOUR opinion and you're entitled to it....I think differently though.

>Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from
>writing
>songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
>Australia!!

Its called acting....ever hear of it??

> So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their
>collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.

I seriously doubt that.

>But it seems like Garth's
>been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something
>he
>cannot be: a rock and roll star.

We'll see about that....but, when was the last time Barry got anything current
on the air? Don't get me wrong.....I'm a HUGE Barry fan.....but, I don't think
Garth should be downplayed one bit, he has talent and being the number 1
selling artist of all time says a lot, dontcha think??

>Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career

thats not true....he never wanted to record "I write the songs" Clive made him
do it, saying it would be a big pop song, which we all know it was, but it
wasn't his choice to do it.

> he's said "screw the
>critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those
>of us who are his fans.

NOW, he is.....but, at the beginning of his career he wasn't. He just NOW knows
that he has a fan base, like us, who will buy whatever he puts out, cuz we
think he's that great. However, I feel the same way about Garth.

> We maybe haven't always understood the direction he
>took musically, but we loved him anyway.

true.

>
>When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility
>here.

he has PLENTY of credibility....I didn't know YOU were in charge of handing
that out.

>In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,
>is a nice two-step.

YOUR opinion

>instead of background music for a
>bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in
>their
>Wranglers.
>
>

I assume you are speaking of yourself.

Ann Franzese

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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Julie: Good for you -- I agree! Ann

Julie wrote:

> >Tina1
> >#1 49ER FAN!!!!!!!!
> >THERE'S NO WHINING IN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!
> >
>

> So you whine everywhere else? BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
> bragging....
>


> Now to the on-topic part of this message. Look, lady, I live in small-town
> Texas, where they live and breathe country music. I have the first several of

> Garth's CDs, and have played them frequently, but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts


> emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
> the original.
>

> Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from writing
> songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from

> Australia!! So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their


> collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.
>

> BIG credibility problem here. Barry was certainly NOT trying to cross over to

> country when he recorded If Tomorrow Never Comes. But it seems like Garth's


> been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something he
> cannot be: a rock and roll star.
>

> Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career, he's said "screw the


> critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those

> of us who are his fans. We maybe haven't always understood the direction he


> took musically, but we loved him anyway.
>

> When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility

> here. In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,

> is a nice two-step. Barry made it a SONG instead of background music for a


> bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in their
> Wranglers.
>

> Julie :-)


Ann Franzese

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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Tinal: Your point has it's merits also. I agree with you too -- maybe that's
because I'm both a Barry fan and a fan of Garth Brooks also...... I must admit,
it's just a little confusing, that is when I first heard about this Chris
Gaines/Garth Brooks thing. It's clearer to me now that I've seen Garth Brooks on a
few interview shows. Thanks for your input. Ann

Tinas49ers wrote:

> >So you whine everywhere else?
>

> Where have I whined?


>
> >BTW, Niners SUCK this year, so I wouldn't be
> >bragging....
>

> where have I bragged?....and 3-1 isn't a bad start on the season.....so, what
> would you know?
>

> > but nobody.....NOBODY.......puts
> >emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
> >the original.
> >
> >
>

> That's YOUR opinion and you're entitled to it....I think differently though.
>

> >Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly, but now he's gone from
> >writing
> >songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
> >Australia!!
>

> Its called acting....ever hear of it??
>

> > So much of country music fandom is beginning to turn their
> >collective back on him so he has to try to cross over.
>

> I seriously doubt that.


>
> >But it seems like Garth's
> >been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something
> >he
> >cannot be: a rock and roll star.
>

> We'll see about that....but, when was the last time Barry got anything current
> on the air? Don't get me wrong.....I'm a HUGE Barry fan.....but, I don't think
> Garth should be downplayed one bit, he has talent and being the number 1
> selling artist of all time says a lot, dontcha think??
>
> >Barry has been who he wanted to be his entire career
>
> thats not true....he never wanted to record "I write the songs" Clive made him
> do it, saying it would be a big pop song, which we all know it was, but it
> wasn't his choice to do it.
>

> > he's said "screw the
> >critics, screw the media" so many times and been true to himself and to those
> >of us who are his fans.
>

> NOW, he is.....but, at the beginning of his career he wasn't. He just NOW knows
> that he has a fan base, like us, who will buy whatever he puts out, cuz we
> think he's that great. However, I feel the same way about Garth.
>

> > We maybe haven't always understood the direction he
> >took musically, but we loved him anyway.
>

> true.


>
> >
> >When Garth decides who he wants to be, then maybe he'll have some credibility
> >here.
>

> he has PLENTY of credibility....I didn't know YOU were in charge of handing
> that out.
>

> >In the meantime, all his recorded version of If Tomorrow Never Comes is,
> >is a nice two-step.
>

> YOUR opinion


>
> >instead of background music for a
> >bunch of drunk rednecks whose idea of high fashion is to have creases in
> >their
> >Wranglers.
> >
> >
>

> I assume you are speaking of yourself.

DonnaLTW

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Oct 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/9/99
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Hey guys,
Barry and Garth sing the same song. No comparisons. Just as Barry sings
Sinatra..no comparisons. People Magazine once compared Barry to Willie Nelson.
DUH?? Barry and Garth are both great...both superstars...in their own right.
Barry and Sinatra both great entertainers in their own right.
Let's not argue over who does the song better. It is a matter of taste.
D
DonnaLTW...@aolnospam..com

sendmoney2me

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no matter how you look at it, Garth Brooks wrote a fantastic song. no
matter whose version you like better

CKenOUKID

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Hi, Gang,
ENOUGH please with the Garth bashing. I am a big fan and he is the reason I
started listening to country again. Good music, lyrics you can understand,
passion and emotion. I could not find that on top 40 radio. So, I now have
KGZER stations and country on my car radio. Garth rules. Barry, imho, is THE
most romantic singer ever. But we are talking apples and oranges, here. (and
I love it when Garth flies!!)

Candee From CA

TheDance89

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>>And did you ever notice that Barry doesn't seem to need to hook himself
>>to a wire and fly over the heads of his audience to entertain them? He
>>does really well without the trapeze act.
>>
>>I'll take Barry's passion, melody, and music over Garth's bombast,
>>aerial antics, and over-the-top theatrics any time.
>>
>>Scooter
>>
>
>I saw Garth running around on a stage literally yelling the words to this
>beautiful song. No passion or feeling for its lyrics whatsoever. Did he
>write the lyrics or only the melody?

First of all..As for the "high wire act" maybe you haven't noticed but that is
very NEW element to Garth's shows. He is very energetic and sometimes does
crazy stunts. It must be working the man sells a heck of alot of CD's (Current
CD excluded). The "high wire" is a gimmick. Just like....CSWY! I know I will
be shot for that act of herecy but...I said it! Its a gimmick. No different
than Garth!!

Now...as for the song in question..I only saw Garth perform the song twice.
Both times he was very sincere, very lyrical, and very very emotional. Who
sings the song better....WHO CARES!!!

Alan


TheDance89

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>NOBODY.......puts
>emotion into a song like Barry Manilow, and that's why it blows the doors off
>the original.
HUH? Being in the heart of Texas...do you have a song called THE DANCE? Maybe
you haven't noticed it, but that song blows more emotion and SINCERE emotion
than almost anything else
>Garth used to be able to sing a ballad properly HUH? When was the last time
you REALLY listened? THE DANCE, It's Your song, and he can't sing a ballad?
but now he's gone from
>writing
>songs like If Tomorrow Never Comes to pretending he's a rock star from
>Australia!! May be you haven't been paying attention...its called trying
something new. Like Barry doing PAradise Cafe? So much of country music

fandom is beginning to turn their
>collective back on him so he has to try to cross over. WHO turned their back
on him?

>
>BIG credibility problem here. Barry was certainly NOT trying to cross over
>to
>country when he recorded If Tomorrow Never Comes. Nope. Because that would
sell worse than Sinatra!!!

But it seems like Garth's
>been trying to cross over his whole career, trying to make himself something
>he
>cannot be: a rock and roll star.
>HUH? Have you been paying attention at all to what Garth has been saying
about this?

Alan


sendmoney2me

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the "high wire" deal is a stunt, purely theatrics. CSWY isn't a stunt
or theatics, it's a nice song and a nice part of the show that barry
doesn't have to do. garth's show would be just fine without the high
wire stunt. maybe better.

Gayle Picaizen

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Having checked the credits on Barry's recording of it, I see that my
hunch was correct. Garth Brooks did NOT write the lyrics, only the music.
Kent Blazy wrote the lyrics. Not being familiar with country music, I
have no idea who he is. Has he written the lyrics to any other popular
country song? I'm just wondering if his skills as a lyricist always
produce such beautiful, thoughtful lyrics. :)

Gayle


In article <19991010014844...@ng-cf1.aol.com>,

Scooter

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Gayle Picaizen wrote:
>
> Having checked the credits on Barry's recording of it, I see that my
> hunch was correct. Garth Brooks did NOT write the lyrics, only the music.
> Kent Blazy wrote the lyrics. Not being familiar with country music, I
> have no idea who he is. Has he written the lyrics to any other popular
> country song? I'm just wondering if his skills as a lyricist always
> produce such beautiful, thoughtful lyrics. :)


Just found this info on Kent Blazy:

> Kent Blazy
>
> A Kentucky native, Kent Blazy has co-written with Garth Brooks on many of
> Brooks’ hit songs including "Ain’t Goin Down (‘Til the Sun Comes Up)," "If
> Tomorrow Never Comes" and "She’s Gonna Make It." He has also written
> such hits as "That’s What I Get For Lovin’ You" by Diamond Rio and "No End
> To This World" by Restless Heart.

Scooter


Tinas49ers

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>Having checked the credits on Barry's recording of it, I see that my
>hunch was correct. Garth Brooks did NOT write the lyrics, only the music.
>Kent Blazy wrote the lyrics

I'm not sure what you are looking at, but according to both my Barry complete
collection AND Garths boxed set, it gives credit to BOTH for writing the
lyrics.

>. Not being familiar with country music, I
>have no idea who he is.

that's too bad, Garth is a talent like not many others.

> Has he written the lyrics to any other popular
>country song? I'm just wondering if his skills as a lyricist always
>produce such beautiful, thoughtful lyrics. :)

He does write a lot of his own lyrics. If you want to check out an AWESOME
Garth Brooks song, check out The Red Strokes, which he co-wrote......The
passion in that song is incredible. Its off his In Pieces CD.

Gayle Picaizen

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In article <19991010104551...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,

Tinas49ers <tinas...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Having checked the credits on Barry's recording of it, I see that my
>>hunch was correct. Garth Brooks did NOT write the lyrics, only the music.
>>Kent Blazy wrote the lyrics
>
>I'm not sure what you are looking at, but according to both my Barry complete
>collection AND Garths boxed set, it gives credit to BOTH for writing the
>lyrics.
>

The book in Barry's boxed set. Garth Brooks/Kent Blazy. This usually
means that the first name wrote the music and the second name wrote the
lyrics. If they wrote it together, the credit usually has the word "and"
between the two names, not a "/".


>>. Not being familiar with country music, I
>>have no idea who he is.
>
>that's too bad, Garth is a talent like not many others.
>

I do live on this planet. I know who Garth Brooks is. I have no idea who
Kent Blazy is. I have seen Garth perform and do not share your opinion of
his talent. It does not come close to Barry's talent and musical genius.
IMHO.

>> Has he written the lyrics to any other popular
>>country song? I'm just wondering if his skills as a lyricist always
>>produce such beautiful, thoughtful lyrics. :)
>
>He does write a lot of his own lyrics. If you want to check out an AWESOME
>Garth Brooks song, check out The Red Strokes, which he co-wrote......The
>passion in that song is incredible. Its off his In Pieces CD.
>

Again, I was asking about Kent Blazy, not Garth Brooks. I think Mr.
Blazy's lyrics for this song are beautiful.

Gayle

P.S. An added note to Scooter. Thanks for the info about Kent Blazy in your
previous post. You did understand who I was asking about. :)

TheDance89

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According to Garths first CD, "Garth Brooks", Garth co-wrote the lyrics!!

Alan


TheDance89

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>I have seen Garth perform and do not share your opinion of
>his talent. It does not come close to Barry's talent and musical genius.
>IMHO.

As a performer? I will never deny Barry's talent as a songwriter, arranger,
and producer. And in that area Garth Brooks would have a hard time shining
Barry's shoes. But as a performer? Garth does do killer shows!


>Again, I was asking about Kent Blazy, not Garth Brooks. I think Mr.
>Blazy's lyrics for this song are beautiful.
>

I'm curious, do you examine the lyric writing credit on Barry's songs as
strongly as you have here for this song. How many of Barry's songs did HE
write the lyrics to?

Alan

TheDance89

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>the "high wire" deal is a stunt, purely theatrics. CSWY isn't a stunt
>or theatics, it's a nice song and a nice part of the show that barry
>doesn't have to do. garth's show would be just fine without the high
>wire stunt. maybe better.

While I agree with the later that Garth's shows doesn't need the high wire to
be good, I do disagree with the former that the high wire is theatrics. It is
a gimmick. No different than picking a girl to sing a song.

Alan


Tinas49ers

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>The book in Barry's boxed set. Garth Brooks/Kent Blazy. This usually
>means that the first name wrote the music and the second name wrote the
>lyrics.

NO, it means they were co-written together.....I'm not sure where you got YOUR
info from.

>If they wrote it together, the credit usually has the word "and"
>between the two names, not a "/".
>
>

Then, in the the case of Who Needs to Dream if Barry wrote the music, and
Sussman wrote the lyrics, what did Feldman and Butler do?????

>I do live on this planet. I know who Garth Brooks is

Lets hope so!!

> I have no idea who
>Kent Blazy is.

Neither do I....obviously a great writer

>I have seen Garth perform and do not share your opinion of
>his talent.

then you are one of the few

> It does not come close to Barry's talent and musical genius.
>IMHO.

I'll agree with that, but that doesn't make him untalented either. He ROCKS!!

Gayle Picaizen

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In article <19991010122847...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,

TheDance89 <theda...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>As a performer? I will never deny Barry's talent as a songwriter, arranger,
>and producer. And in that area Garth Brooks would have a hard time shining
>Barry's shoes. But as a performer? Garth does do killer shows!

And Barry doesn't? :)

>>
>I'm curious, do you examine the lyric writing credit on Barry's songs as
>strongly as you have here for this song. How many of Barry's songs did HE
>write the lyrics to?
>
>Alan
>
>


I sure do. While I cannot give you a complete list, I can name approx. 10
songs.

Music & Lyrics by Barry Manilow

1. If I Should Love Again
2. One Voice
3. Sweet Life
4. Say The Words
5. I Haven't Changed The Room
6. One Of These Days
7. You're Lookin' Hot Tonight
8. Put A Quarter In The Jukebox
9. Sweetwater Jones

10. Stay - Music & Lyrics by James Jolis, Kevin DiSimone, & Barry Manilow (I
understand that Barry had more to do with the lyrics than the music in
this one.)

Can anyone add to my list?

Gayle

Gayle Picaizen

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Tinas49ers <tinas...@aol.com> wrote:
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>Then, in the the case of Who Needs to Dream if Barry wrote the music, and
>Sussman wrote the lyrics, what did Feldman and Butler do?????
>

If you know anything about Barry's collaborators, you know that Bruce
Sussman and Jack Feldman are lyricists. Artie Butler usually conducts or
arranges (or both) for Barry. Occasionally Barry and Artie Butler
will co-arrange a song. Perhaps he had a small part in the writing of
this song?

Gayle

Tinas49ers

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> But as a performer? Garth does do killer shows!
>
>And Barry doesn't? :)

did he say Barry doesn't? This was not intended to be a Barry vs Garth argument
as the both are unique in their own talents.

TheDance89

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>This was not intended to be a Barry vs Garth argument
>as the both are unique in their own talents.

Exactly! Barry is a very strong musician, arranger, and writer. As a
performer he has his moments to be certain, and Barry is still a mover of
emotions.
Garth is not as strong in his musical abilities but he is without a doubt the
master showman. His shows are full of energy, fun, and never ever forgetting
what it was like to be fan. So some prefer Choclate cheesecake and others
prefer strawberry cheesecake. Either way its great!!

Alan


Donna Gosselin

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DonnaLTW wrote in message <19991009190110...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...


Finally...a voice of reason. While reading this string, all I could think
of was that we were doing the same thing between Garth vs. Barry that the
critics have been doing to Barry vs. Sinatra.

Barry did his own interpretation of Garth's song just like he did his own
interpretation of Sinatra's songs. No two artists sing the same song
exactly the same way.

I'm not a big Garth fan, but I like his version of "If Tomorrow Never Comes"
as a COUNTRY song. I like Barry's version as a POP ballad.

Donna G

Donna Gosselin

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>Notice though how many of those songs were
>very early in his career and certainly in the 70's. Seems as his career
went
>into the 80's the reliance on others material increased. And now in the
90's
>original songs have been limited to bookends on specialty CD's. One can
only
>hope the glory days will come back!!
>
>Alan
>
BUT...you forget...Barry considers himself first a composer/arranger....NOT
a lyricist. Is there something wrong with a performer singing other
people's songs? Not all singers are songwriters. Frank Sinatra is one of
the greatest singers that ever lived (not necessarily in my opinion)...how
many songs did HE write, let alone compose? And people criticize Barry for
singing other people's songs?

Donna G

TheDance89

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>Music & Lyrics by Barry Manilow
>
>1. If I Should Love Again
>2. One Voice
>3. Sweet Life
>4. Say The Words
>5. I Haven't Changed The Room
>6. One Of These Days
>7. You're Lookin' Hot Tonight
>8. Put A Quarter In The Jukebox
>9. Sweetwater Jones
>
>10. Stay - Music & Lyrics by James Jolis, Kevin DiSimone, & Barry Manilow (I
>understand that Barry had more to do with the lyrics than the music in
>this one.)

You have done your homework!! I have forgotten about "I haven't changed the
room" what a pretty little song! Notice though how many of those songs were

TheDance89

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>BUT...you forget...Barry considers himself first a composer/arranger....NOT
>a lyricist. Is there something wrong with a performer singing other
>people's songs? Not all singers are songwriters. Frank Sinatra is one of
>the greatest singers that ever lived (not necessarily in my opinion)...how
>many songs did HE write, let alone compose? And people criticize Barry for
>singing other people's songs?

Have you been following the theme of the arguement? No arguement from me, the
point was about "If Tomorrow Never Comes" and who wrote it. So even IF Garth
didn't write it, according to your arguement it doesn't matter! So what was
the arguement about then?

Alan


sendmoney2me

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so when david copperfield flies in the air it isn't theatrics? of
course it is..it's to make you sit back, stare, and say WOW! just like
garth's flying. cswy has never made me sit back and go WOW! i'm not
sure if i'd call it a "gimmick," the "clicker" was a gimmick. cswy is
just a nice routine..for lack of a better word. don't get me wrong, i
think BOTH barry and garth are fantastic entertainers. BOTH put on an
excellent show, BOTH are very talented.

sendmoney2me

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i also noticed that barry started using other people to play piano on
the cd's in the 90's instead of doing it all himself, like he used to

TheDance89

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>i also noticed that barry started using other people to play piano on
>the cd's in the 90's instead of doing it all himself, like he used to
>

That actually started in the 80's. Around the same time as when the musicians
used to record a CD started to differ greatly from the musicians he took on the
road.

Alan


TheDance89

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>So when david copperfield flies in the air it isn't theatrics?

I'm surprised you didn't mention Cathy Rigby in Peter Pan. Yes what David does
is theatrics. However, unless you expect a singer to do this, you can't call
it theatrics. Funny thing is when Garth flies I have never sat up and said WOW
I more likely said "what a meshuguna (crazy person)".

Alan

LorrieFul

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99
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Wow, I was skipping over this thread 'til it got so long I just had to see what
all the fuss is about!

I really dislike country music and don't really care for Garth Brooks (sorry -
but it's just my personal musical taste!). But, I bought ONE cassette tape of
Garth's called "The Hits - Limited Time Only" because I just HAD to have a copy
of his "The Dance" and "If Tomorrow Never Comes."

Here is what the liner notes quote Garth as saying about ITNC: "If Tomorrow
Never Comes" will probably always be my signature song. I ran the idea for
this song by what seemed like a thousand writers and no one really seemed to
understand what I was looking for. On the day that Bob Doyle, my co-manager,
introduced me to Kent Blazy, I passed this idea by Kent and he had the first
verse down within fifteen seconds. I could tell he just felt it. Kent Blazy
is a wonderful man, full of love and energy, and if we never write again, I
hope that we are always friends first. Thank you Ireland for this moment."

I have heard Barry say over the years about a song that he "had an idea" and
got together with his collaborators. The lyricist eventually comes up with the
words, but Barry knew what he wanted to say and left the poetry to the poets.

Garth's version of ITNC is very soft with a bit of that country "twang."
Barry's has his usual formula of starting quietly and ending with a BIG BANG.
I think they both do the song great justice with their own signature styles.


Lorrie
"Use the good china NOW!"

SandyMandy

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To be honest, Garth just doesn't send me like Barry does. But to argue
about who is better makes no sense, but still a means of some decent
conversation. I've enjoyed this thread. Naturally I like Barry's
rendition of this song the most, but Garth's is good too. Garth's flying
through the air routine just makes me laugh at what an entertainer must
do to sell. The CSWY routine of Barry's just makes me cringe... sorry!!!

Yes, Barry puts a lot of heart, soul and passion to his ballads more
than any other singer IMO. That's why I have been a fan of his all these
years. In addition to that, his bright personality shines through in
what he does best, entertains us with his unique talent and showmanship.
Garth is OK in my book as I have seen him put alot of himself in what he
does also. Let's be fair and give credit to them both. As someone said
before, "It's a matter of taste."

Sandy


PIPER BEAD

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Speaking of Barry and Garth....are there any Neil Diamond fans out there? Barry
is my fave of course...but certain songs of Neil Diamond can make me melt like
Barrys do.....any fans of September Morn out there? And also I enjoy Garths
version of If Tomorrow Never Comes very much...as do I also enjoy Barry's
version . ....diff reasons for both....
CJ

Donna Gosselin

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SandyMandy wrote in message
<3683-380...@newsd-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

The CSWY routine of Barry's just makes me cringe... sorry!!!

Oh Sandy...I take it you've never been picked? I got picked on my very
first try (21 years after my first concert) on July 29, 1999 and it was a
dream come true. I even sang in the right key and wasn't nervous at all.

I would do it again in a heartbeat...but I've had my turn.

Donna G

sendmoney2me

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theatrics or not..it's still great enterainment. i like a performer
that gives it their all, that's why i like barry (and garth). are you
sure you didn't at least say, "WOW, what a meshuguna!"? :)

OneIrish99

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I have to admit that this thread is kind of amusing. Comparing Barry Manilow to
Garth Brooks is like comparing the Beach Boys to Queen. Other than the fact
that they are both singing groups that have an amazing ability to harmonize and
they were wildly popular in the 70's and 80's, they have nothing in common with
each other. That is the same thing with Barry and Garth. Both are great singers
who have their own unique abilities and have a very loyal fan base. But.....you
can't compare a pop singers style to a country singers style. It just doesn't
work. And if you don't like country music, you're not ever going to appreciate
Garth's amazing talent.
I'm not a huge country music fan. There are certain artists that I enjoy, Garth
happens to be one. The thing that I find most appealing about Garth Brooks is
his attitude towards his fans. This is a man that definitely knows where his
paycheck is coming from and is always appreciative of it. No matter how you
feel about his singing, songwriting or performance ability, you have to applaud
him for his commitment to his fans. How many other artists, give major gifts to
every millionth customer who attends their concerts?

Irish Lassie
A man who can't laugh at himself, should be given a mirror

SandyMandy

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I wrote:
>The CSWY routine of Barry's just makes me cringe... sorry!!!

Donna G wrote:
>Oh Sandy...I take it you've never been picked? I got picked
>on my very first try (21 years after my first concert) on July
>29, 1999 and it was a dream come true. I even sang in the right
>key and wasn't nervous at all.

>I would do it again in a heartbeat...but I've had my turn.

>Donna G

No Donna, I have never been picked, though I do admit being a bit
envious of those brave enough and lucky enough to be chosen. Surely if
Barry plucked me out of the audience, someone would have to drag me up
there and then pick me up off the floor (so in awe of the man, I am...
LOL).

Congratulations on having your dream come true! No doubt the CSWY
segment will continue and that's fine. Barry knows how to please his
fans. It is just that personally, this particular part of his show is
not my favorite. I've seen it over and over. I will probably still
continue to cringe the next time I see it. That doesn't mean that I am
not happy for the ladies who do get that honor of singing with Barry.

Sandy


Gayle Picaizen

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The point is that they are singing the same song. When a pop singer and a
country singer (or any 2 singers) record the same song, there are bound to be
comparisons. You're hearing the exact same lyrics interpreted in completely
different ways, how can you not make a comparison?

Gayle

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TheDance89

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>And if you don't like country music, you're not ever going to appreciate
>Garth's amazing talent.

Not entirely true. I never liked Country Music until I saw Garth at Central
Park. Now...I still don't like Country Music that much, but I am a huge fan of
Garth and do like some other Country Performers mainly Dixie Chicks, Trisha,
Alabama.


>The thing that I find most appealing about Garth Brooks is
>his attitude towards his fans. This is a man that definitely knows where his
>paycheck is coming from and is always appreciative of it. No matter how you
>feel about his singing, songwriting or performance ability, you have to
>applaud
>him for his commitment to his fans. How many other artists, give major gifts
>to
>every millionth customer who attends their concerts?

How many other artists can still draw a million fans? Garth has never
forgotten what its like to be a fan and that is the secret of his magic!

Alan


PIPER BEAD

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Oct 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/13/99
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Sorry for trying to change the subject guys.....will just go back into
hiding....
CJ

Tinas49ers

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>Garth's flying
>through the air routine just makes me laugh at what an entertainer must
>do to sell.

He doesn't have to do that to "sell". He could just sit there on a stool and he
is still one of the hottest talents today.

Gayle Picaizen

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In article <19991013200707...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,

DonnaLTW <donn...@aol.com> wrote:
>>how can you not make a comparison?
>
> Excuse me, but I can do the above. Two singers...one song...two
>interpretations..no comparisons...sheer and total enjoyment from both. It is
>not "country" versus "whatever". It is not Garth vs Barry. It is a very nice
>song...both singer evoking something different from each of us. Please, Barry
>is not the "ONE AND ONLY" vocal stylist on earth. And he doesn't do some of
>them as well as the orignial. He sings A LOT of other people's songs. No one
>has compared him with Richard Marx. Let's give this "tired old mule" a rest...
>
>DonnaLTW...@aolnospam..com


Excuse me, but I believe you just made a comparison, more than one. "two
interpretations", "both singers evoking something different from each of us",
"he doesn't do some of them as well as the original". These are
comparisons, IMHO. Whether I think he's the "ONE AND ONLY" vocal stylist
on earth and you don't is not the point here. (Although that could be
construed as one more comparison.) The point is, when any singers sing
the same song, comparisons are made. Not necessarily who is better, just
the fact that you believe they interpret the same song in different ways
is a comparison on its own.

Gayle

DonnaLTW

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DonnaLTW

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Gayle honey, have you ever been wrong?
DonnaLTW...@aolnospam..com

Gayle Picaizen

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In article <19991014195530...@ng-fl1.aol.com>,

DonnaLTW <donn...@aol.com> wrote:
>Gayle honey, have you ever been wrong?
>DonnaLTW...@aolnospam..com


Merriam-Webster Dictionary
compare - to examine for likenesses and differences

Donna dear, I've been wrong many times, but not this time. Perhaps you
should have read what I wrote, instead of what you think I wrote? Are
you able to understand the above definition, or do you have trouble reading
everything and not only what I write?

Gayle

Bee Leveroni

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i think barry manilow is still hot thats what i think and i love him too
bee


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