Anyone See the Today Show This Morning?
lyndyb
ICSWY) - loved his red shoes, but this morning there was a cute and funny
piece on his appearance. One of the Weekend Today hosts, Jenna Wolf, has
long said "I Heart Barry" and during his performance on Friday, they
panned to her singing along (she was there even though not on air Friday
to my knowledge).
Anyway, the piece aired this mornng showed her campily or kiddingly trying
to meet Barry by standing in his path in and out of the building to do his
song, etc. In reality, she made no real attempt to stop him, but seemed
to ge a genuine thrill to have him pass by her. Apparently she really did
want to meet him, and they arranged for him to speak with her, but not in a
studio interview and after returning into the building, he was sent over to
her, standing in the hallway.
After they aired the brief piece, Jenna said that when he was first
approached to speak with her after his last song, he was a little busy and
stressed and made some comment like "who else do I have to talk to?", but
she said he was great and by the time they finished, he asked her if she
had any more questions she wanted to ask. I got the impression they
didn't air the whole thing.
It was cute and I always get a kick out of seeing how excited someone gets
when they meet Barry, especially when it's someone like Jenna who meets
many famous people on a regular basis. After all these years, despite his
initial irritation at having one more demand being made of him, I'm
guessing a meeting like that was enormously gratifying to him and had to
warm his heart.
One last thing. Through the years, I've noticed how many years Barry
seems to be in NY at Thanksgiving, whether he's in the Macy's parade or
has an appearance on Today or another NY-based show. Think he goes to NY
to spend Thanksgiving with his family?
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Brenda
wrote:
>
> One last thing. Through the years, I've noticed how many years Barry
> seems to be in NY at Thanksgiving, whether he's in the Macy's parade or
> has an appearance on Today or another NY-based show. Think he goes to NY
> to spend Thanksgiving with his family?
>
> --
I don't know about family, but I think he welcomes the chance to see
dear friends in NYC whenever he can.
Also, I've noticed he almost always spends some quality time in NYC
right before heading over to the U.K. Makes sense .... it's on the
way. :-)
Brenda
ggol...@gmail.com
Children's Research Hospital with St. Jude.
On Friday, 10 St. Jude patients, most on treatment and with some level
of disability, attended the show. They were to distribute gifts to
the fans in a short segment.
They arrived early and started to the Green Room, where Today Show
guests wait their turn to appear. Barry Manilow was in the Green Room
and when he saw the kids, he stood and yelled, "DON'T LET THOSE KIDS
IN HERE!"
So the kids stood in the vestibule while the St. Jude folks tried to
figure out where they could wait. They ended up being sent to the
Food Court, which was closed. Only NYC public restrooms available to
the kids.
One little girl was in leg braces. Most of the kids were on
chemotherapy.
One St. Jude brain cancer patient, a girl, Gina Mulieri, attended the
Today Show on Friday and her mother wrote an account of their
experiences there:
http://caringbridge.org/visit/ginamulieri
Look in the journal history for November 28.
So terribly disappointing that he would behave that way.
Brenda
>
> One St. Jude brain cancer patient, a girl, Gina Mulieri, attended the
> Today Show on Friday and her mother wrote an account of their
> experiences there:http://caringbridge.org/visit/ginamulieri
>
> Look in the journal history for November 28.
>
> So terribly disappointing that he would behave that way.
Anybody else having flashbacks to the Thanksgiving Day Parade when he
was a brat?
Is this NOT a good holiday for Barry?
Brenda
P.S. This was a really painful journal entry to read.
lyndyb
behavior, even if he wasn't aware they were sick children. Maybe I have a
distorted opinion or view of him, but I have never imagined him to be one
of those people who dreams of being admidst a group of kids - but the fact
these were sick kids puts his behavior in an even harsher light. Sad to
think he couldn't have found a better way to avoid the situation - like
yielding the room to the kids and making quick, quiet exit. It will be
interesting to see if this makes the press.
I must have missed the brat behavior at the Thanksgiving Parade in the
past. I don't mean to make this a Barry Bashing thread, but I have to
admit to being curious - care to share?
Scooter
> I must have missed the brat behavior at the Thanksgiving Parade in the
> past. I don't mean to make this a Barry Bashing thread, but I have to
> admit to being curious - care to share?
Here ya go - a post from Nov. 2006:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.barry-manilow/msg/4ebd873ca8a09db2
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Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
Scooter
> "lyndyb" <lyn...@notdisplayedemailaddress.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I must have missed the brat behavior at the Thanksgiving Parade in the
>> past. I don't mean to make this a Barry Bashing thread, but I have to
>> admit to being curious - care to share?
>
> Here ya go - a post from Nov. 2006:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.barry-manilow/msg/4ebd873ca8a09db2
Also:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.barry-manilow/msg/fb26ce920e2f27a8
And:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.barry-manilow/msg/eab99fe51279cf8f
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wac...@aol.com
> Children's Research Hospital with St. Jude.
>
> On Friday, 10 St. Jude patients, most on treatment and with some level
> of disability, attended the show. They were to distribute gifts to
> the fans in a short segment.
>
> They arrived early and started to the Green Room, where Today Show
> guests wait their turn to appear. Barry Manilow was in the Green Room
> and when he saw the kids, he stood and yelled, "DON'T LET THOSE KIDS
> IN HERE!"
>
> So the kids stood in the vestibule while the St. Jude folks tried to
> figure out where they could wait. They ended up being sent to the
> Food Court, which was closed. Only NYC public restrooms available to
> the kids.
>
> One little girl was in leg braces. Most of the kids were on
> chemotherapy.
>
> One St. Jude brain cancer patient, a girl, Gina Mulieri, attended the
> Today Show on Friday and her mother wrote an account of their
>
> Look in the journal history for November 28.
>
> So terribly disappointing that he would behave that way.
It's true that the same day he performed, there were children from St.
Jude's Hospital there for fundraising, along with Marlo Thomas. I'm
absolutely sick over this. I have a four year old cousin going
through cancer treatment right now and to think that something like
this may have happened is just awful and not at all in the spirit of
the holidays.
Susan
Brenda
(where Bonnie referred to Barry as Barry MEAN-ILOW) has been pulled.
(Gosh, wonder why?????).
This note is still up there though ...
****
I did get one interesting email tonight. It was from a columnist. He
wrote to tell me that Barry has denied everything. He said that he was
never even in the green room, but did pass us by in the vestibule? Oh
wow. I must have made a tremendous error and mistaken someone else for
you. Oi Vey
****
And this one ....
***
MONDAY, DECEMBER 01, 2008 05:52 PM, CST
Hey Team Gina,
Alsac just called me and they are asking everyone to please just back
off just a bit. They are investigating what happened on Friday and
hope that you will allow them the time to figure out what to do. Alsac
is hoping that if we all lay off just a bit, it will help de-escalate
the present situation.
Thank you for your support.
***
Geez ... it's not enough that Barry had to act like a big jerk to all
those kids ... now they've got to bully their web site into shutting
up about it too?
Wow.
Merry Freakin' Christmas, huh?
Brenda
(REALLY saddened to see all this unfolding)
Scooter
> Geez ... it's not enough that Barry had to act like a big jerk to all
> those kids ... now they've got to bully their web site into shutting
> up about it too?
>
> Wow.
> Merry Freakin' Christmas, huh?
>
> Brenda
> (REALLY saddened to see all this unfolding)
Wonder if they'll make her delete all the guestbook comments, too...
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Scooter
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schafe...@yahoo.com
of his life being kind , to just quickly smear his name with a cheap
publicity blog campaign . It tears me to see again the ones who would
not rise to his defence. Whether he did what he did, I am pretty sure
he did not know the children were cancer stricken. He just recovered
from bronchits, was still snifling, yes, he was , and was probably
worried about not making it one piece to the next shows in Great
Britain. There was no personal vendetta, just him trying to stay
healthy for all the things that are lined up in the next week or so.
If he cancels anything in the UK, due to being sick, he would be put
down , maligned, no one , save his most caring fans , would
understand. If I were in his shoes that day , knowing all the
commitments I have in front of me , I would be sure to stay away from
children. In a split second, I am sure I would not connect the dots
and realize the children outside in the hallway were cancer stricken.
I am not trying to make light of the fact that feelings were not
trodden upon, I would have been deeply hurt too. I do however have
this gut feeling that Barry if he did say what he did , said it
impulsively , not to be mean to anyone , just trying to stay flu free,
virus free. Please , give him some benefit of the doubt , be
benevolent, Barry does a lot of good all the time . He helps out with
Cystic Fibrosis, and Aids, I am sure he wouldn't mind helping out
cancer causes too. He does not deserve to be raked over the coals and
humiliated like that , as some people I fear are getting ready to do.
He did not look anyone squarely in the eye and bullied anyone
personally, he merely said what he said , and the little peons did his
bidding, and carried it out in terribly non diplomatic way.
rpj...@yahoo.com
I for one believe Barry when he said he was never in the green room
in the first place, and since the owner of that blog only heard what
she claims is his voice and didn't see him herself it's possible she
was mistaken. If anyone is to blame for not treating the children
properly it's the Today show staff;they should have made sure there
was enough room for them in the studio to wait out of the cold with
access to clean bathrooms and away from anyone who might have been the
slightest bit ill. But since most people over here are quick to blame
Barry and accept any negative thing they hear and seldom take his side
I'm not surprised this time is no different.
Crystal
wac...@aol.com
I'm sorry this had to happen and that Caring Bridge is being
intimidated. This is such a wonderful organization that relies
totally on donations to keep families with kids who have cancer
connected to other families as well as friends who anxiously await
updates on these kids.
Susan
wac...@aol.com
Those kids had cancer and most are undergoing treatment. He is and
was much more of a health threat to them than the other way around.
Susan
Brenda
> of his life being kind , to just quickly smear his name with a cheap
> publicity blog campaign .
There was nothing "cheap" about that blog post. A very hurt mother
wrote it from the heart.
And this isn't about smearing Barry's name. Barry has done MANY kind
things in his life, and nobody's taking any of that away from him!
But he's always had a bit of a prima donna brattiness about him that
tends to surface at the worst times. When that "bad Barry" shows his
face, he needs to acknowledge it - not try to cover it up - and make
amends, if he can, to anyone he's hurt with his thoughtlessness.
That's all any of us can do when we f*ck up ... and we've ALL said or
done things we sure wish we could take back! Barry is no different.
He can screw up too.
He's not a villain.
He's only human.
And he needs to get over himself and make this right.
It tears me to see again the ones who would
> not rise to his defence. Whether he did what he did, I am pretty sure
> he did not know the children were cancer stricken.
Assuming you're right .... WHY WOULD THAT MAKE HIS SHITTY BEHAVIOR
OKAY? Pardon my yelling, but children are children whether they're
sick or not! If those had been my kids kicked out of the green room
because his highness couldn't share it, I'd have every right to be
pissed, and every right to tell the world he was an asshole. He's not
a bad guy - I think he just doesn't THINK sometimes. Like Susan or
someone said earlier, he apparently has no one in his life who can
stand up to him when he's wrong, and that's the essential problem.
He needs to make this right.
Hopefully he will.
And not just send out an edict to his PR team to make it all "go
away."
Brenda
Brenda
>
> - Show quoted text -
Crystal,
Well, aren't you the perfect fan?
Honey, you wouldn't criticize him if you saw him clubbing a baby seal
right in front of you. You'd probably say the seal must have had it
coming ... or it was the state of Alaska's fault for not providing an
ample environment for the seal's safety and well-being.
Brenda
wac...@aol.com
There are so many guestbook comments relating to this one incident and
many are from moms with kids who have cancer. Hell hath no fury like
these moms and they will move mountains to protect their precious
children. I don't think this will be forgotten too quickly.
Susan
wac...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
You're not a fan Crystal; you're an enabler.
Susan
jacki...@gmail.com
> I would not be so quick to bring down a man who has spent a large part
> of his life being kind , to just quickly smear his name with a cheap
> publicity blog campaign . It tears me to see again the ones who would
> not rise to his defence.
The "cheap publicity blog campaign" was CARING BRIDGE for cripes
sake. It's for those who are keeping in touch with loved ones and
their treatment and journey.
"The ones" not rising to his defense (because of course, Barry Manilow
always must be defended, excused, etc.) are discussing it and saddened
by the situation. It's not the first time nor will be the last we
hear about Barry losing it. It's good to point out all angles, but it
does appear that knowingly or not, Mr. M was a bit unkind to KIDS.
That they were kids with cancer is certainly sad, but this is
treatment of KIDS. If someone barked at my kids and ordered them out
because they were lower than the "STAR" -- I'd be in their faces
whether they got finished with bronchitis or not. I'm sure he feels
totally lousy NOW ... and I'd hate to be in his shoes ... but dammit,
if he truly cannot handle being amoungst regular folks or if he
doesn't get his own little private room, then maybe he's going to have
to figure out what he truly wants to do in life at this point.
>Whether he did what he did, I am pretty sure
> he did not know the children were cancer stricken. He just recovered
> from bronchits, was still snifling, yes, he was , and was probably
> worried about not making it one piece to the next shows in Great
> Britain. There was no personal vendetta, just him trying to stay
> healthy for all the things that are lined up in the next week or so.
> If he cancels anything in the UK, due to being sick, he would be put
> down , maligned, no one , save his most caring fans , would
> understand. I
Perhaps Mr. M should have a handler that intercedes. If Manilow is
upset, let him deal with his handler who then takes care or finds out
the real deal. If it's truly about germs, he's in the wrong business
or needs to perform behind a nice, protective, climate controlled and
antiviral, antibacterial bubble. Maybe a human sized hamster ball?
>If I were in his shoes that day , knowing all the
> commitments I have in front of me , I would be sure to stay away from
> children.
Yes, kids are just little petri dishes of disease, pestilence, whereas
grown ups or fellow celebrities are okay and sanitary. Well, except
for Courtney Love or any of the Rolling Stones .... Billy Idol .....
>In a split second, I am sure I would not connect the dots
> and realize the children outside in the hallway were cancer stricken.
> I am not trying to make light of the fact that feelings were not
> trodden upon, I would have been deeply hurt too. I do however have
> this gut feeling that Barry if he did say what he did , said it
> impulsively , not to be mean to anyone , just trying to stay flu free,
> virus free. Please , give him some benefit of the doubt , be
> benevolent,
> Cystic Fibrosis, and Aids, I am sure he wouldn't mind helping out
> cancer causes too. He does not deserve to be raked over the coals and
> humiliated like that , as some people I fear are getting ready to do.
I do agree that Manilow does do alot of good. He is the first to call
regarding music in the schools, he does do much for AIDS and the
Cystic Fibrosis stuff and he does have a charity package out there to
raise money for breast cancer. We tend to see alot of Jekyl/Hyde
stuff out of Barry .. and he's certainly human and has a healthy
supply of artistic temperment.
He seems to battle with his chosen profession though. He wants the
fame/celebrity, but doesn't want to be out with people. He wants to
perform and has signed contracts, but then gets torked and walks off
early on stage with the rowdy folks. It's distressing on alot of
levels. One side of me thinks, "The poor guy needs to get better
handlers or needs to figure out what he wants to do." The other side
of me thinks, "Good grief Manilow. Get your ego in check. You yelled
at KIDS to get out of the green room. The axis of the universe does
not begin and end with you."
If I was the mother of one of those children, I'd be devastated and
then would be Mother Bear and ready to rip away. Too late. Mother
Bear instincts kicking in.
> He did not look anyone squarely in the eye and bullied anyone
> personally, he merely said what he said , and the little peons did his
> bidding, and carried it out in terribly non diplomatic way.
You say quite a bit there, regarding little peons. Blame everyone
else as opposed to a celebrity who doesn't want to share his green
room and lost his cool. How dare the subject or experience be brought
up in a cancer or illness journal ... or discussed here?
Here's hoping Keith Olbermann doesn't catch wind, huh?
Jackie
lyndyb
disappointing - if true - or divisive. To be fair, I think many childless
people would cringe to have a large group of kids invade a space you've
come to think of as a safe harbor from crowds of people. I'll give him
the benefit of the doubt that he had no clue they were sick children.
Since this has come up, I wonder if anyone knows if he likes or maybe
doesn't care for kids?
There are two sides to every story. It's difficult to believe someone who
has been in the public eye for so many years would say something that could
put him in such bad light and generate ill will and bad press within
earshot of anyone else, much less the group he was talking about.
If he said it, you have to wonder if someone peed on his Wheaties that day
or if he's just a cranky guy who doesn't always think before he speaks. If
that's the case, then shame on them for the attempts at censorship. If he
didn't say it, then I feel for him, as this is potentially image damaging
- doesn't get much worse than being mean to sick children.
Much as I'd like to think this didn't happen, I can't help but wonder what
purpose it would serve or why the author would make it up.
Brenda
>
> Here's hoping Keith Olbermann doesn't catch wind, huh?
>
> Jackie
Holy crap - I didn't think of that! Don't let Keith hear about it, or
Barry might end up being the "Worst Person In The World" right up
there with Bill-O The Clown!
Brenda
P.S. Great post, Jackie - I agree with everything you said, and you
said it more eloquently than I could.
lyndyb
wac...@aol.com
wrote:
Whether or not he likes kids or not is not the issue here. The issue
here is how he treats people. He has a reputation, as others here
have stated, of being a bit of a brat at times. Unfortunately for
him, he picks the wrong occasions to show his diva side. How does he
get away with it? Because he obviously still have plenty of fans (as
evidenced by the Barrynet) and people he surrounds himself with who
stand by their man. He's not gonna change at this stage of his life.
The only thing that really can change is how the public treats him. I
for one am returning the CDs I ordered from QVC without even listening
to them. Instead I'm going to make a donation. It's not a lot of
money, but it is much better spent this way.
Susan
Brenda
wrote:
>
> Since this has come up, I wonder if anyone knows if he likes or maybe
Let's assume kids make him nervous. Okay.
Then his handlers need to keep him far, far AWAY from them. And vice-
versa.
Really ... if the man can't play well with others, then Camp M. needs
to pay more attention to where his hamster ball gets placed (that
imagery is killing me, by the way ... how does he keep it from rolling
off the stage?)
>
> There are two sides to every story. �It's difficult to believe someone who
> has been in the public eye for so many years would say something that could
> put him in such bad light and generate ill will and bad press within
> earshot of anyone else, much less the group he was talking about. �
>
> If he said it, you have to wonder if someone peed on his Wheaties that day
> or if he's just a cranky guy who doesn't always think before he speaks. �If
> that's the case, then shame on them for the attempts at censorship. �If he
> didn't say it, then I feel for him, as this is potentially image damaging
> - doesn't get much worse than being mean to sick children. �
>
> Much as I'd like to think this didn't happen, I can't help but wonder what
> purpose it would serve or why the author would make it up.
>
What's sad is that it IS easy to believe Barry acted this way because
he's put on similar displays before.
And, if there is any chance that it WASN'T Barry who demanded that the
kids not be let in, then Barry needs to fire whoever it was who said
it. There should be zero tolerance for that kind of shittiness.
And I agree with you. If this gets out to the mainstream media,
Barry's going to be in some deep water. Acting like a pissy little
prima donna in front of very sick kids isn't going to sell him a lot
of tickets.
Brenda
P.S. My prediction? Barry will quietly make a sizeable donation to
this organization and the whole matter WILL go away ... or the
original blogger will say oops, sorry, she made a mistake, Barry is
completely innocent.
jacki...@gmail.com
> There are so many guestbook comments relating to this one incident and
> many are from moms with kids who have cancer. Hell hath no fury like
> these moms and they will move mountains to protect their precious
> children. I don't think this will be forgotten too quickly.
I don't have the heart to go in and read the comments. These poor
Moms and kids have been through so much. If Manilow had ANY idea what
these people endure, the strength and determination and courage that
these families go through ... I think he'd find what sets him off
and gets him pissy is no where NEAR what these families face. He'd be
most humbled and ashamed.
Jackie
web wench
She saw Barry Manilow, it was either him or his double in the Green
Room.
It was not her who tried to make this public, caringbridge is a
private site, not indexed by google, you have to know the URL to be
able to visit a site. She didn't post there to make a public
spectacle of this.
If you visit the site now, she removed her November 28 journal entry
and is asking for people to back off the complaints while ALSAC, the
fundraising arm of St. Jude, irons this out.
The Today Show has showed incredible support for St. Jude. They
featured different St. Jude patients every day last week. The bad
behavior of a few of their junior staff doesn't make them bad guys.
My own son has brain cancer and St. Jude saved his life. It is very
hurtful to the families who have had to face such tragedy to have
someone, celebrity or not, treat them in such a negative manner. The
daughter of the mother who wrote of their experiences has the same
sort of brain cancer as my son and has relapsed for the third time.
The chance of her being here 2 years from now is slim. Similarly for
some of the other kids.
For the sake of those families, I really hope this was a terrible
misunderstanding and that Mr. Manilow could bring himself to feel
compassion for kids in such a desperate situation.
We are hopeful that this will be resolved in a positive manner.
Brenda
> >
> My own son has brain cancer and St. Jude saved his life. It is very
> hurtful to the families who have had to face such tragedy to have
> someone, celebrity or not, treat them in such a negative manner. The
> daughter of the mother who wrote of their experiences has the same
> sort of brain cancer as my son and has relapsed for the third time.
> The chance of her being here 2 years from now is slim. Similarly for
> some of the other kids.
>
> For the sake of those families, I really hope this was a terrible
> misunderstanding and that Mr. Manilow could bring himself to feel
> compassion for kids in such a desperate situation.
>
> We are hopeful that this will be resolved in a positive manner.
I hope he feels that compassion, coupled with a hearty helping of
shame, and is man enough to apologize to all of you.
My prayers go out to you and your son.
God bless you -
Brenda
wac...@aol.com
Thanks for putting things into perspective from your standpoint. My
sincere wishes that your son continues to do well. If nothing else,
then perhaps something good can come out of this and more people will
donate to this and other funds that support cancer research and
treatment for children with cancer.
Susan
schafe...@yahoo.com
himself. I'll just pray he is protected and will continue to be
allowed to be a blessing to other people as he has had a track record
of being. It will be a monumental shame if something were to happen to
Barry because of this. There are so many rogues out there in this
world who sell hate , and are revered, let's focus on the ones who are
still beautiful on the inside, forgive the small transgressions if
indeed they were, and give them a chance. Believe me, the Barrys of
this world rarely flourish, and when they do ,it is by no small human
feat. He cherishes what is right , and human and decent , and good.
Barry is not a fighter, he will take this as more bitter stuff to
swallow, and try to rise above it all. The songs of the 80s are
beautifully done. A colleague of mine, who used to be a dj, says it is
fantastic, and his daughter who is a huge fan absolutely loves it too.
I cherish the fact that Barry continues to record, and by golly , some
of these songs totally move me. Only a beautiful soul like he has can
eek out such beautiful heartfelt emotions . I want to think he is
blessed , because he is a good person inside. If the few of you out
there are bent on destroying him, then this world WILL have one less
person to raise money, sing happy songs, and many people like myself,
will have one less reason to be happy about the world and things that
are happening around us. The plight of polar bears, the recession, the
wars, the cold blooded genocides .... I could go on for pages... Barry
is something to look forward to .....please give hiim a chance.... all
of you .
Brenda
Huh????
Who here is "bent on destroying him"?
Being disgusted with his terrible behavior is the same as wanting to
harm him?
If you're worried about somebody harming Barry, you need to be writing
to him. He's doing a real number on himself these days.
Brenda
wac...@aol.com
Just because he sings nice songs, doesn't necessarily make him a nice
guy. Stop idealizing him because he could never, ever live up to your
expectations. He is as flawed as any of us.
Susan
Reb
67cb15...@g38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
> The songs of the 80s are
> beautifully done. A colleague of mine, who used to be a dj, says it is
> fantastic, and his daughter who is a huge fan absolutely loves it too.
> I cherish the fact that Barry continues to record, and by golly , some
> of these songs totally move me. Only a beautiful soul like he has can
> eek out such beautiful heartfelt emotions .
run along now and finish your koolaid. The 80's CD is terrible at best.
hardly worthy of carrying the name BARRY MANILOW. I can see why your friend
USED to be a DJ cause if he's playing shit like this no one would hire him.
rubyslippers
Barry needs to really cash that very large reality check soon, before the
rent on his morality runs out. C'mon dude! Kids! SICK kids! WTF? Someday
all the white elephant poo under the rug is going to accumulate to the
point where it will be obvious to all where the stench comes from. All the
ghosts of P.R. past are going to come back and haunt Barry and Co., but
will be the complete super-nova implosion of a once great "legend." (A
tell-all book is quite overdue!)
And you know what? It's Barry who is the one that signs the checks the
contracts, etc. He is the one responsible. He is an adult. I don't give a
hoot that he's in showbiz. Play nice, or get out of the sandbox. Just
because one is a "Star" does not make them a lot better than the next
person. He does not need "handlers." He is not Britney Spears who needs
her daddy to hold onto her mental health and paychecks. (Although, if this
keeps up, they might have to at least put a muzzle on Barry to save him
from his own big mouth.)
Think I'll just listen to Coldplay tonight. This stuff is getting
depressing.
Ruby
strugglebuggy
detailed instructions for each guest appearance. If Barry requested a
separate room/dressing room whatever, he should have had it. God knows he
has cooled his heels in worse places than the green room. If need be, he
has been known to wait wherever off stage it's convenient. I can
understand that small kids have never had some things and they can catch/
pass things on just like anyone else. Yes, he needs to stay healthy. Now,
the handlers for the kids probably requested some things too. Like
bathrooms and an area for them to sit, get ready etc.. Barry's handlers
can remove him politely from an area very rapidly if there is a problem.
Hand him a phone and say: "He'll have to go where it's a little more
privacy. Business you know!!" A smile and friendly wave of the hand:
he's gone. Problem averted. So, this whole thing was avoidable.
Obviously, when dealing with small kids and, especially ill ones, it was
easier to move Barry than the kids. Blame the show staffers for not
having control of the staging area. A quiet word and the groups pass like
ships in the night. Yes, if he had a wife or someone in tow, this could
have been avoided. Anyone consider the possibility that he wasn't
told/forgot they were on the show? Maybe he doesn't react well to being
confronted with leg braces and wheel chairs? I've seen people cringe at
amputees and turn away from wheelchairs. Nothing upsets people more than
sick kids. It's against what we think of as the way things should be. I
can't believe he would deliberately say anything to hurt a bunch of
obviously ill kids. Yes, he has his moments of foot in mouth. He is
human. When people are surprised by something that is upsetting, they
frequently react badly. It's been a long time since his diva days and now
he seldom throws tantrums. He has grown up and he's been kicked around
enough to know people have feelings. Especially when it comes to their
kids. Give the guy a chance and a break. Had he known they were coming,
wouldn't he have gone instead of them? This wasn't a display of "I was
here first." Sheer logic. His reaction was panic. It's easier to move
Barry and his bunch than a bunch of sick kids. I'm thinking of all the
band equipment he gave recently. His reaction wasn't because he hates
kids. Barry tends to be emotional at times--hence the walk off stage
routine when upset. He avoids what bothers him. Be it a rowdy crowd or
sick kids, anything that gets to him will cause a negative reaction.
Creative people tend to be emotional. He knew, after the fact, that he
was going to get smeared again. Not hard to see that coming. So, I blame
the show staffers,Mark,Garry and yes, the parents. Had even one parent
gone to the staffers, in advance, to check accommodations, this would have
been avoided. Moving kids requires planning and pre-arrival double checks.
Medical issues can arise. So,yes, they failed to check out the area. This
tempest in a teapot was totally avoidable. Barry is as isolated in his
world as those kids are in theirs.
Brenda
Even though the November 28 journal entry was pulled off the web site,
it's already been circulated all over the Internet ... a friend
emailed it back to me because she found it on a cancer site someplace
else!
This same site is encouraging outraged people to write to the BMIFC
(and yes, it gave their address) to express their feelings for Mr.
Manilow's conduct.
So, in case you missed it before they pulled it, here ya go:
The kids and parents all arrived in mass and headed for the shows,
"Green Room."
That is where the show's guests, relax and eat and use the bathroom
and so
forth. It is a very comfortable place to be while waiting. Well, we
all start
heading into the green room, when BARRY MANILOW, yells out, DON'T LET
THOSE KIDS
IN HERE!!! I kid you not, this jerk yells don't let those kids in
here. So there
we stand in a vestibule, STANDING (including one girl on BRACES)
waiting for the
TV show to figure out what to do with us. They come up with the
BRILLIANT idea
to house us in the Rockefeller Center food court! LOL Yup, in the food
court. We
have no food, no drinks (it's closed) and only
PUBLIC...NYC ....toilets for the
CANCER KIDS TO USE!!!
-
Gina went potty and came out to find a homeless woman washing HER FEET
in the
sink next to Gina! The Today show staff finally brought the kids some
snacks...I
guess BARRY the DIRTBAG was done eating. UGG You have to understand.
Many of
these kids were up at 5am or earlier to travel to this event. It was
tiring to
say the least, but to not have an adequate place for 10 kids, most of
whom are
still on treatment? That's just unspeakable! I don't know what the
Today Show
was thinking. Anyway, we finally go on and I hear the Today show
staffers
yelling at the ST. Jude people that they have 5 minutes and that's it!
So we all
go out and hand out gifts to the public. It was nice. All the
screaming Today
show fans were happy to get these very thoughtful gifts from ST. Jude.
When we
were done, we went back in and tried to get a couple of photos of the
kids. One
of the Today show staffers starts yelling, Excuse me, Excuse me,
EXCUSE ME.. and
then two handed-PUSHES
me out of the way. I just looked at him like, you have got to be
kidding me and
then he starts yelling me. "When I said excuse me three times, you
should have
moved!" I told him that I didn't know he was speaking to me ( I didn't-
really!)
I was floored at how badly this guy was treating me. I just ignored
him and then
when he wouldn't shut up and kept yelling at me...I just started being
really
nice to him. I kept saying, "Have a nice day...Happy Holidays...Merry
Christmas..." He just kept going on and on. Finally, one of the other
mommies
yelled at him and put him in his place. I really should file a
complaint.
Apparently, I wasn't the only one who he pushed.
What a nightmare. BUT, Gina had an OK time. She loves doing these
events for ST.
Jude and feels like she is helping other kids by doing them and
regardless of
how MEAN Barry Manilow is or how rude the Today show staffers are,
Gina will
continue to get out there and get the word out!
sharonbryant
I'm not hell bent on destroying anyone but I will tell you MY experience
of last Friday.
Mr Manilow DID yell, not say, YELL out "DON'T LET THOSE KIDS IN THERE" and
the staff that surround him were equally as nasty. And you want to hear
something weird? I could have put him down as a child hater (anyone recall
how he treated the kids at the Macy's Parade last year??) but in his
entourage two small kids were running wild! When I questioned one woman,
thinking I'd find some kinship as to WHY Mr Manilow had been so obnoxious,
she looked me up and down and in a haughty English accent sniffed "And you
are??" before barging her way past everyone to go into THE GREEN ROOM
WHERE BARRY WAS!!! No one wanted anything from him. These kids weren't
even aware of who he is for Gods sake. All through their short lives they
have obstacles of peoples reaction to a disease which will not only
shorten their lives, but will discriminate them from so much already and
it's people like HIM, Barry Manilow that can work miracles to change
attitudes and yet he does this and HUMILIATES them. Yes he may well give
his Dollars but by being CIVIL he could have given so much more and gained
a few more fans in the process. Didn't he lose family to cancer? Isn't he
aware of the suffering and in his hometown especially? Just WHO does he
think he is??
As for the dumb claims about him having bronchitis maybe you should all
write Barry and explain that chain smoking his way through two packs of
Marlboro won't ease his problem - Heaven forbid he get cancer himself!
The Today Show staff need a damn reality check too and I have written to
all concerned. They put Barry Manilows comfort before terminally sick
kids. And Happy Holidays to you too!
Scooter
> Hi -
>
> I'm not hell bent on destroying anyone but I will tell you MY experience
> of last Friday.
[snip of experience]
Sadly some fans believe anything negative said about Barry is said by someone
wanting to destroy him, bash him, etc. This is a public newsgroup, and
thankfully freedom of speech still reigns here.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have no doubt who the "problem
children" were in this situation as this type of nasty behavior has happened
in the past.
God bless all your kids. They're in my thoughts and prayers.
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
sharonbryant
Same place as Manilows. Up your own ass.
Your IDOL, this man who portrays himself as into nothing other than the
music (what a JOKE that is as we got to see more of his private side than
we cared to) was RUDE TO DYING KIDS DAMMIT!!
I can understand fans wanting to believe only the best of their star but
can you hear us?? Can you hear REAL people with REAL issues of what this
man did and how he let others behave in his name??
He's as fake as his damn face.
Kermit
I'm sorry for what happened to the kids. NO ONE should be treated like
that, but the fact that children were treated like that is even worse.
Barry behaved badly, and the Today show people should have taken care of
you better than they did. I just returned from the Post Office where I
returned his latest CD to QVC and I'm taking that money and sending it to
St. Jude today. I know it's not much, but better to give the money where
it will do some good. I hope that after hearing your story, more fans
will do the same.
MuckrakerMole
it brings up questions.
IF the kids were in fact supposed to be in the green room to begin with,
which isn’t fully clear, was the comment made personally by Barry? Did
somebody else make the comment and who was it – a Today Show staffer;
one of Barry’s staff; or a musician? Was the room overcrowded already?
Was Barry in the green room at the time, or out in the vestibule as
claimed? If I was the parent of a child who should have been in the green
room, I’d have insisted the Today Show keep their word (regardless if
someone else in the room didn’t want my child present) rather than
allowing myself to be moved to a public area. Ten parents in attendance
with their children - why didn’t any of the parents protest on the spot
instead of letting themselves be herded away like docile sheep – then
complaining AFTER the fact? Something smells rotten in Denmark.
Let’s examine motivation here. Barry is out promoting a new CD, why
would he risk bad publicity by snapping at children, handicapped or not?
What might be the motivation of somebody who has never before posted on
the newsgroup to relate this story? It wouldn’t be to bring awareness of
a blog site that accepts donations, would it? No, that would be wrong, it
couldn’t be that.
It couldn’t be that people known to have a personal vendetta against
Barry are using this as an excuse to tar and feather him without first
hearing both sides of the story, could it? Barry has been notoriously
difficult in the past, that’s true. But we’re talking about the same
man who does much for charities, and recently donated a truckload of
musical instruments to children. It seems a bit out of character for him
to then turn against handicapped children.
Before I accept this account as true, I would like to hear his side of the
story. When he or his staff comes out with a public apology, then I’ll
believe it. But until that happens I have to question the veracity of
people who come here as a non-fan, but who throw out details like what
happened at the Macy’s parade, and the fact that Barry lost a family
member to cancer, and that he smokes Marlboros. It doesn’t appear that
the average person would know these kinds of details.
Barry’s far from perfect; I like kool aid but can’t claim he’s
continually faultless. If Fanilows stopped shoving him up on a damned
pedestal, maybe it wouldn’t be so shocking when he occasionally acts
like the rest of mankind and makes a mistake.
wac...@aol.com
> More information athttp://www.talkaboutpeople.com/faq.html
No one from his camp will ever feel they owe you any explanation so
don't hold your breath. Personally I don't care who believes this or
not because as far as he or any celebrity is concerned, it's really
all a matter of perception and my own personal perception of him right
now is that he is a complete and utter asshole!
Susan
Scooter
> Let’s examine motivation here. Barry is out promoting a new CD, why
> would he risk bad publicity...
He did it before on the release date of the 70s album.
> What might be the motivation of somebody who has never before posted on
> the newsgroup to relate this story? It wouldn’t be to bring awareness
> of a blog site that accepts donations, would it? No, that would be
> wrong, it couldn’t be that.
Perhaps someone wanted to pass the info along where Manilow fans could see
it.
> It couldn’t be that people known to have a personal vendetta against
> Barry are using this as an excuse to tar and feather him without first
> hearing both sides of the story, could it? Barry has been notoriously
> difficult in the past, that’s true. But we’re talking about the same
> man who does much for charities, and recently donated a truckload of
> musical instruments to children. It seems a bit out of character for him
> to then turn against handicapped children.
Giving to charity is completely different than being kind in a situation
where he's suddenly faced with 10 sick children. He just doesn't seem to
play well with others, especially in spontaneous situations when he has on
makeup.
> Before I accept this account as true, I would like to hear his side of
> the story. When he or his staff comes out with a public apology, then
> I’ll believe it.
Ain't no way that's going to ever happen.
> But until that happens I have to question the
> veracity of people who come here as a non-fan, but who throw out details
> like what happened at the Macy’s parade, and the fact that Barry lost
> a family member to cancer, and that he smokes Marlboros. It doesn’t
> appear that the average person would know these kinds of details.
Did it ever occur to you that that person may be a Manilow fan who
happened to witness this diva behavior? No, of course that never crossed
your mind.
> Barry’s far from perfect; I like kool aid but can’t claim he’s
> continually faultless. If Fanilows stopped shoving him up on a damned
> pedestal, maybe it wouldn’t be so shocking when he occasionally acts
> like the rest of mankind and makes a mistake.
Can't argue that point. But if you're of the school "I'll never believe
it unless it comes from Barry's lips," I'm afraid you must be getting
Kool-Aid by osmossis.
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
dennisW
know what you're doing and you'd better put a halt to it lest you suffer
again. You are not fooling anyone.
We have read this blathering about the Today Show and are not surprised at
what we see written. The same players are at it again. It seems that even
when trouble makers get their noses thumped they crawl away for a while
licking their wounds and changing their blogs, but then venture out to
stir up trouble by raking up parades that took place two years ago. They
continue to spew their venom shielded in carefully worded posts, or they
voice their true negative feelings using a bogus name, and then responding
to themselves. You are not fooling anyone. Most people see who you are, and
to be more pointed, the people who shut you up once before KNOW full well
what you are up to. Beware, you are being watched. Dennis
Scooter
> We're addressing this to one specific person and she knows who she is.
> We know what you're doing and you'd better put a halt to it lest you
> suffer again. You are not fooling anyone.
>
> We have read this blathering about the Today Show and are not surprised
> at what we see written. The same players are at it again. It seems that
> even when trouble makers get their noses thumped they crawl away for a
> while licking their wounds and changing their blogs, but then venture
> out to stir up trouble by raking up parades that took place two years
> ago. They continue to spew their venom shielded in carefully worded
> posts, or they voice their true negative feelings using a bogus name,
> and then responding to themselves. You are not fooling anyone. Most
> people see who you are, and to be more pointed, the people who shut you
> up once before KNOW full well what you are up to. Beware, you are being
> watched. Dennis
Well, hi, "Dennis." Long time, no see.
If you're speaking to me, which I'm sure you are, I didn't bring the parade
into this discussion. I just answered a question from someone else by
providing a link to a previous post. And I don't use bogus IDs. I post
using a news reader that shows my IP, not through the anonymous TalkAbout,
which you use.
BTW no one "shut me up." I decided I could no longer support Mr. Manilow on
my blog, so removed the posts concerning him. So you're either misinformed
or you've been lied to...or you're just plain nuts.
Have a nice day.
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
Scooter
> We're addressing this to one specific person and she knows who she is.
> We know what you're doing and you'd better put a halt to it lest you
> suffer again. You are not fooling anyone.
>
> We have read this blathering about the Today Show and are not surprised
> at what we see written. The same players are at it again. It seems that
> even when trouble makers get their noses thumped they crawl away for a
> while licking their wounds and changing their blogs, but then venture
> out to stir up trouble by raking up parades that took place two years
> ago. They continue to spew their venom shielded in carefully worded
> posts, or they voice their true negative feelings using a bogus name,
> and then responding to themselves. You are not fooling anyone. Most
> people see who you are, and to be more pointed, the people who shut you
> up once before KNOW full well what you are up to. Beware, you are being
> watched. Dennis
My apologies if this comes through twice. X-News hiccup.
Well, hi, "Dennis." Long time, no see.
If you're speaking to me, which I'm sure you are, I didn't bring the
parade into this discussion. I just answered a question from someone else
by providing a link to a previous post. And I don't use bogus IDs. I
post using a news reader that shows my IP, not through the anonymous
TalkAbout, which you use.
Venom? No. Differing opinions being expressed on a public unmoderated
newsgroup.
ggol...@gmail.com
about this incident on her site:
http://caringbridge.org/visit/jessicarandall
A Barry Manilow fan left this comment in her guestbook today.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 02, 2008 02:17 PM, CST
Heide:
First off, let me introduce myself by saying that I am a Barry Manilow
fan. Have been for more than 30 years. I also extend my condolences on
the loss of your daughter. And my heart does go out to the children.
That is where my compassion ends.
I apologize for whatever happened on the Today show, but I (along with
many of my fellow fans) do not appreciate your "Barry-bashing" and how
you have gotten a lot of people on the "Heide" bandwagon to create a
personal enemy because you did not get what you want when you wanted.
How terrible for you that he has been blessed with talent and has
worked hard and earned his success. This is a man who has used the
talent God has blessed him with to touch more lives in ways that no
doctors, pills or prayers ever could. I think Jessica would be totally
ashamed of you.
You not only owe the people at "Today" and NBC an apology, but you owe
Barry an apology more.
In light of this, I will never, ever give a cent to St. Jude's, nor
will I watch any of Miss Marlo Thomas' "pitymercials." She should be
ashamed of you as well.
Kaaren Radecki
http://manilow.ning.com/profile/KaarenSRadecki
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Scooter
> The mother of another girl with a brain tumor patient (deceased) wrote
> about this incident on her site:
>
> http://caringbridge.org/visit/jessicarandall
>
> A Barry Manilow fan left this comment in her guestbook today.
[snip of comment]
People might also want to read the comments to the above referenced guestbook
post. Just click on Guestbook.
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
jacki...@gmail.com
> Beware, you are being watched. Dennis
What is this? Manilow Mafia talk? Gee, what priviledges will be
yanked? Preferential seating? ... (actually, I'm struggling to think
of any actual priviledges. Good standing in toadie land? A pat on
the head?)
This group got alerted to a situation which was a mother's experience
and posted on Caring Bridge - not a public blog.
Wag your tsk-tsk finger at your own master, "Dennis".
Jackie
Reb
@localhost.talkaboutpeople.com:
> We have read this blathering about the Today Show and are not surprised at
> what we see written. The same players are at it again. It seems that even
> when trouble makers get their noses thumped they crawl away for a while
> licking their wounds and changing their blogs, but then venture out to
> stir up trouble by raking up parades that took place two years ago. They
> continue to spew their venom shielded in carefully worded posts, or they
> voice their true negative feelings using a bogus name, and then responding
> to themselves. You are not fooling anyone. Most people see who you are, and
> to be more pointed, the people who shut you up once before KNOW full well
> what you are up to. Beware, you are being watched. Dennis
LOL to put this as nicely as I can..Fuck off, asshole. this is a public
forum where people are ALLOWED to express their opinions even if they differ
from your own. You're reading what a bunch of LONG TIME Manilow fans think of
what we hear and believe happened. if you have proof otherwise feel free to
post it so that we may take it into consideration. until then fuck off with
your threats against members of our family.
Reb
Scooter
> LOL to put this as nicely as I can..Fuck off, asshole. this is a public
> forum where people are ALLOWED to express their opinions even if they
> differ from your own. You're reading what a bunch of LONG TIME Manilow
> fans think of what we hear and believe happened. if you have proof
> otherwise feel free to post it so that we may take it into
> consideration. until then fuck off with your threats against members of
> our family.
>
> Reb
Reb, you have such a way with words. ;^)
BTW, "Dennis" left a similar threatening comment on my blog several months
ago. Maybe he needs to eat more fiber.
Don't know when this post will come through. My news server is not
propagating to Google Groups or TalkAbout, but I did notice my posts are
getting out to other USENET servers, and some of my posts are finally showing
up on my own server. Technology...great when it works.
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
wac...@aol.com
> We're addressing this to one specific person and she knows who she is. We
> know what you're doing and you'd better put a halt to it lest you suffer
> again. You are not fooling anyone.
>
> We have read this blathering about the Today Show and are not surprised at
> what we see written. The same players are at it again. It seems that even
> when trouble makers get their noses thumped they crawl away for a while
> licking their wounds and changing their blogs, but then venture out to
> stir up trouble by raking up parades that took place two years ago. They
> continue to spew their venom shielded in carefully worded posts, or they
> voice their true negative feelings using a bogus name, and then responding
> to themselves. You are not fooling anyone. Most people see who you are, and
> to be more pointed, the people who shut you up once before KNOW full well
> what you are up to. Beware, you are being watched. Dennis
>
> --
> More information athttp://www.talkaboutpeople.com/faq.html
And you remain anonymous, just like the mole. Hardly scary under
those circumstances.
Susan
jacki...@gmail.com
> This is the site of the mother of a teenage girl, Jessica, who passed
> away from a brain tumor. Jessica was not a St. Jude patient and her
> mother was not at the Today Show taping, but she knows the mother who
> was there and she wrote about it on her site:http://caringbridge.org/visit/jessicarandall
>
> A Barry Manilow fan commented in her guestbook today:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> TUESDAY, DECEMBER 02, 2008 02:17 PM, CST
>
> Heide:
>
> First off, let me introduce myself by saying that I am a Barry Manilow
> fan. Have been for more than 30 years. I also extend my condolences on
> the loss of your daughter. And my heart does go out to the children.
>
> That is where my compassion ends.
>
> I apologize for whatever happened on the Today show, but I (along with
> many of my fellow fans) do not appreciate your "Barry-bashing"
This is absolutely horrifying.
That Manilow Fanatic does NOT speak for me. It is appalling that she
address a grieving mother in such a manner.
And this is what CAMP MANILOW owns. It is absolutely VILE and
UNSPEAKABLE that this dysfunctional organization conduct itself in
such a manner. By being
1. Unspeakably rude to children and parents prior to Today Show
appearance.
2. By ignoring this, by hoping it "go away" -- which in turn then
causes rabid, Kool-aid sucking fanatics that feel they must defend and
enable a guy that acted like a complete and utter JERK -- go unhinged
and post cruel and horrid comments to parents.
Congratulations BMIFC/Barry, and all those that enable their master
into believing he can do no wrong, is above tact, and has no need to
own up to his own jerky behavior. Congratulations for fostering a
group of fanatics willing to hand over blindlessly amounts of money to
enable your lifestyle. Look up above and what your fan base does by
your inaction and hiding out.
Stay classy.
Jackie
jacki...@gmail.com
> LOL to put this as nicely as I can..F****bleeeeep!
My post will be slow in appearing, but just wanted to express that you
are loved here Reb!
Rock on!
Jackie
dennisW
Well, hi, "Dennis." Long time, no see. You haven't been as vocal on the
public newsgroup lately. It seems you are not around unless you are
posting angry posts.
Scooter says"
If you're speaking to me, which I'm sure you are, I didn't bring the
parade into this discussion.
didn't think that you were in the wrong, you wouldn't have responded to
this. As for the parade, no, you might not have been the first person to
bring it up, but you made sure you found all the references to it. You
certainly contributed to it.
Scooter says:
I just answered a question from someone else by providing a link to a
previous post.
gossip with several references. Why would you want to dredge it up? Just
to share information? Or was it was just another opportunity to get a dig
into Mr. Manilow.
Scooter says:
And I don't use bogus IDs. I post using a news reader that shows my IP,
not through the anonymous TalkAbout, which you use.
Scooter, you claim not to use a bogus ID. Ok, I'll take you at your word
if you take me at mine. And your point is? That you are superior to me? I
have a real email that I don't choose to share here, that's my perogative.
Why are you so defensive about it?
Scooter says:
Venom? No. Differing opinions being expressed on a public unmoderated
newsgroup.
Scooter, I understand differing opinions, nothing wrong with differing
opinions. My opinion of what constitutes venom is obviously different than
yours. But answer me this, how come, just about every post you share about
Mr. Manilow is of a negative nature? I am not saying he is perfection,
none of us are. But every one of your posts lately is a gripe about him or
his behavior. It appears obvious you have an axe to grind.
Scooter says:
BTW no one "shut me up." I decided I could no longer support Mr. Manilow
on my blog, so removed the posts concerning him.
If I remember correctly you were quite secretive about that, almost as if
you had something to hide. Your behavior portrays a bitter woman who went
from one extreme of adulation to utter contempt for a celebrity who is not
personally involved in his fans lives. Your reaction reveals a very
unhappy woman despite how she insists otherwise. Again, a differing
opinion than yours being expressed on a public newsgroup.
Scooter says:
So you're either misinformed or you've been lied to...or you're just
plain nuts.
Very defensive response. How would you know if I have been lied to, or
misinformed, or just plain nuts? That sounds like a knee jerk reaction to
me. I have never seen anyone so publically judgemental as you are. How sad
for you. The character you portray on line depicts a bitter fan who's idol
did not live up to her fantasies.
Scooter says;
Have a nice day.
And you too! Dennis
wac...@aol.com
> The mother of another girl with a brain tumor patient (deceased) wrote
> about this incident on her site:
>
> http://caringbridge.org/visit/jessicarandall
>
> A Barry Manilow fan left this comment in her guestbook today.
>
>
> TUESDAY, DECEMBER 02, 2008 02:17 PM, CST
> Heide:
>
> First off, let me introduce myself by saying that I am a Barry Manilow
> fan. Have been for more than 30 years. I also extend my condolences on
> the loss of your daughter. And my heart does go out to the children.
>
> That is where my compassion ends.
>
> I apologize for whatever happened on the Today show, but I (along with
> many of my fellow fans) do not appreciate your "Barry-bashing" and how
> you have gotten a lot of people on the "Heide" bandwagon to create a
> personal enemy because you did not get what you want when you wanted.
>
> How terrible for you that he has been blessed with talent and has
> worked hard and earned his success. This is a man who has used the
> talent God has blessed him with to touch more lives in ways that no
> doctors, pills or prayers ever could. I think Jessica would be totally
> ashamed of you.
>
> You not only owe the people at "Today" and NBC an apology, but you owe
> Barry an apology more.
>
> In light of this, I will never, ever give a cent to St. Jude's, nor
> will I watch any of Miss Marlo Thomas' "pitymercials." She should be
> ashamed of you as well.
>
> Kaaren Radeckihttp://manilow.ning.com/profile/KaarenSRadecki
>
I know there are many fanatics out there that would stand by Barry and
I have come to accept that, but this goes beyond fanatical, really
bordering on psychotic.
Of course, there are others like here on the Barrynet who are calling
the whole thing a complete lie even though they never witnessed any of
it.
I've put up with lots of crap over the years as a fan of this man, but
this is truly where I draw the line. I'm so over these people and I'm
so over Manilow.
Susan
strugglebuggy
battery/assault case. Laws differ in area to area so check with someone.
Did the kids witness the verbal and physical abuses? Witnesses for you??
As a group they can file against the NBC people for their conduct. Even if
they give you nuisance value to shut your group up, it's $10k to $15k
depending on if you go as a group or just the one who got pushed. (Too
many jury duties!!) If they laid hands on you, you have rights and time
limits!! Rude is one thing. Violent/abusive is another especially when
it was in front of kids which adds to the possible charges.
I can't imagine whose kids or where the English
accented woman fits in unless it's his English publicist? It's still not
like him to act that badly when he's been doing so well. It's worse than
yelling at Tiny Tim. I work with chair bound and amputee cases but they
are adults. Kids tear me up too badly. Call me self indulgent or weak,
spoilt whatever. Can't deal with kids. Takes a special amount of emotional
control and maturity to deal with sick kids at that level. The parents
have no choice but to do their best: it's their kid. I'd love to hear his
side without the filter of his handlers. But, I was right: basically
blame NBC and the staffers for the whole mess.
Scooter
> If you have a guilty conscience, then yes, I'm speaking to you. If you
> didn't think that you were in the wrong, you wouldn't have responded to
> this.
The reason I responded to you is because you made this same threat earlier
in the year in a comment on my blog. And now, here you are again making
threats.
> You did more than answer it. You dredged up old news and old negative
> gossip with several references. Why would you want to dredge it up? Just
> to share information? Or was it was just another opportunity to get a
> dig into Mr. Manilow.
Your opinion. Mine is I gave all the info I could to fully answer a
question.
> Scooter, you claim not to use a bogus ID. Ok, I'll take you at your word
> if you take me at mine. And your point is? That you are superior to me?
> I have a real email that I don't choose to share here, that's my
> perogative. Why are you so defensive about it?
Because you choose to threaten me with no way for me to know who the hell
you are. The name Dennis Greene, which you used in your comment to my
blog, means nothing to me. Anyone else know who this guy is?
> But answer me this, how come, just about every post you
> share about Mr. Manilow is of a negative nature?
At the moment there isn't anything positive I can see to talk about here.
I don't like the new album, I'm not going to Vegas, and I think he was an
ass to sick kids. I think I did say something very positive about his
Hallmark CD. Did you miss that?
> It appears obvious you have an axe to grind.
Nope.
> Scooter says:
> BTW no one "shut me up." I decided I could no longer support Mr.
> Manilow on my blog, so removed the posts concerning him.
>
> If I remember correctly you were quite secretive about that, almost as
> if you had something to hide.
I'm not hiding anything. I have to protect a confidence of the third
party involved, so can't explain what happened. You'll just have to
wonder.
> Your behavior portrays a bitter woman who
> went from one extreme of adulation to utter contempt for a celebrity who
> is not personally involved in his fans lives.
Hmmmm.... ;^)
> Your reaction reveals a
> very unhappy woman despite how she insists otherwise.
Actually I'm a very happy person. Have you read my blog lately?
> Scooter says:
> So you're either misinformed or you've been lied to...or you're just
> plain nuts.
>
> Very defensive response. How would you know if I have been lied to, or
> misinformed, or just plain nuts?
Because my comment was in response to your "they shut you up" comment,
which is untrue. Therefore, you are either misinformed, you've been lied
to, or you're just plain nuts.
> The character you portray on line depicts a bitter fan
> who's idol did not live up to her fantasies.
Unlike some fans, I had no fantasies about Mr. Manilow, and he was never
my "idol." I enjoyed being a fan for many years. Met great people, had
lots of fun. Something happened, and I can no longer support him. Simple
as that. So sorry to disappoint you.
BTW, you kept saying "we" in your post. You belong to a collective?
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
Brenda
> know what you're doing and you'd better put a halt to it lest you suffer
> again. You are not fooling anyone.
>
> We have read this blathering about the Today Show and are not surprised at
> what we see written. The same players are at it again. It seems that even
> when trouble makers get their noses thumped they crawl away for a while
> licking their wounds and changing their blogs, but then venture out to
> stir up trouble by raking up parades that took place two years ago. They
> continue to spew their venom shielded in carefully worded posts, or they
> voice their true negative feelings using a bogus name, and then responding
> to themselves. You are not fooling anyone. Most people see who you are, and
> to be more pointed, the people who shut you up once before KNOW full well
> what you are up to. Beware, you are being watched. Dennis
Hate to tell ya, Comrade, but the USSR disbanded years ago.
You sound like you're from the fucking KGB.
Knock it off.
This is a FAN site, not the inside of George Bush's brain.
Brenda
mar...@gmail.com
> Hopefully he will.
> And not just send out an edict to his PR team to make it all "go
> away."
>
> Brenda
Speaking of Barry's PR- being Carol Marshall- why does Barry pay
her as his public relations counsel. He obviously does not listen to
her. I do PR work for a few companies and not for profits in Miami and
always counsel my clients to never forget to remeber that everything
they do represents their firm.
If I were Barry's PR representative, here is what I would recommend
he do:
1) If indeed Barry was not in the green room, issue a statement
stating "I apologize for anyone who represents me that mistreated the
kids and I invite the St. Jude kids and parents on the Today show to
be my personal guests at the Las Vegas Hilton for a show I am
dedicating to them.".
2) if Barry was the one yelling at the kids, issue an apology and
offer the Vegas trip and show as above.
3) contact Marlo Thomas of St. Jude and work with her for a
fundraiser for St. Jude's in which Barry would be the headline
performer and personally donate a large sum to St. Jude on behalf of
himself and his organization.
Barry would then benefit from perceived good will and would add to
his image as a philanthropic man. Marvin
Brenda
> � �If I were Barry's PR representative, here is what I would recommend
> he do:
> � 1) If indeed Barry was not in the green room, issue a statement
> stating "I apologize for anyone who represents me that mistreated the
> kids and I invite the St. Jude kids and parents on the Today show to
> be my personal guests at the Las Vegas Hilton for a show I am
> dedicating to them.".
> � 2) if Barry was the one yelling at the kids, issue an apology and
> offer the Vegas trip and show as above.
> � 3) contact Marlo Thomas of St. Jude and work with her for a
> fundraiser for St. Jude's in which Barry would be the headline
> performer and personally donate a large sum to St. Jude on behalf of
> himself and his organization.
> � Barry would then benefit from perceived good will and would add to
> his image as a philanthropic man. Marvin
All of your suggestions are great, Marvin.
Frankly, the deafening silence from Barry's organization about this
whole matter speaks much more loudly than anything Carol Marshall
could put out there.
The more time passes, the less likely he'll ever be able to explain,
excuse, or debunk any of this.
Brenda
rubyslippers
Appears to me that Barry went and stepped on the wrong toes. H*** hath no
fury than a woman scorned, or protecting her kids. Don't think this is
going to go away at least any time soon. Afraid to say that this is a huge
negative akin to the Grinch, and Ebenezer Scrooge. Not something you want
for an image at this time of year. Shame Barry, shame.
Ruby
Brenda
site ...
(Wonder if Barry will ever be asked back onto the Today Show?)
Good to know SOMEBODY out there is working to make this right.
***
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MONDAY, DECEMBER 01, 2008 10:07 PM, CST
Hey Team Gina!
I just wanted to quickly update on the situation that transpired last
Friday. First of all, St. Jude is on it. The liasons went back and
told their supervisors what happened and now the bigs guys at one
place are talking to the big guys at the other place about what went
wrong here and how we can make sure that it NEVER happens again.
While everyone is talking, I have been asked to remind everyone of the
good relationship that the Today show has had with St. Jude for many
years and to also remind everyone of all the good that the Today show
does by featuring the patients of St. Jude as well as segments on
Thanks and Giving. We shouldn't let one,"hectic," day color something
forever. And while this may sound like a canned response, it isn't.
The Today show has been a good friend and supporter to the children of
St. Jude and that is why they have these segments about the St Jude
Thanks and Giving fundraiser every day of Thanksgiving week, every
year!
I was also assured that this will never happen again. NEVER. All
patients will be treated with care and respect and I was given this
guarentee personally from a higher up at ALSAC (St Judes fundraising
branch). I believe them. They take their commitment to the children
that they serve very seriously. As do I and I will hold them to their
word and that YOU have my promise on.
I think we all did a very good thing here.
Thank you EVERYONE for your support.
Always beLIeVE-ing!
Bonnie
jacki...@gmail.com
> By the way, there's a new Journal entry on the caringbridge web
> site ...
>
> (Wonder if Barry will ever be asked back onto the Today Show?)
>
> Good to know SOMEBODY out there is working to make this right.
>
I'm glad that there are people out there working to make an
unfortunate situation right. Meanwhile, I'd love to haul Mr. Manilow
and Kaaren Redecki over to St. Jude's and have them sit in the
hallways and absorb some reality over what these kids and parents go
through. I'd like for whoever the rude English woman was that bustled
her way into the green room sizing up others there too.
As much as I'd like to believe that this experience could offer a
lesson learned in the whole Manilow organization, I don't hold that
much hope. The silence, the lack of PR handling, etc. speaks
volumes. It's sad on alot of different levels. The guy that sings
about One Voice singing in the darkness should be using his One Voice
to bring about some healing. It would actually be beneficial for both
sides.
Jackie
Reb
216.196.97.142:
> Reb, you have such a way with words. ;^)
Sorry. it's MY favorite 4 letter word too. ;-)
I also don't like people "threatening" my friends.
Reb
@g38g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> My post will be slow in appearing, but just wanted to express that you
> are loved here Reb!
Thank You ;-)
Reb
216.196.97.142:
> The name Dennis Greene, which you used in your comment to my
> blog, means nothing to me. Anyone else know who this guy is?
>
>
This pretty much sums up who Dennis is ;-)
Reb
6de4c8...@v13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> This is a FAN site, not the inside of George Bush's brain.
He has a BRAIN? lol
Brenda
> Brenda <BMesku...@gmail.com> wrote in news:26572898-633a-433b-83f4-
> 6de4c8aae...@v13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > This is a FAN site, �not the inside of George Bush's brain.
>
> He has a BRAIN? � �lol
"Why, anybody can have a brain. That's a very mediocre commodity.
Every pusillanimous creature that crawls on the Earth or slinks
through slimy seas has a brain." --
Frank Morgan, "The Wizard Of Oz"
Brenda
rubyslippers
1.)I have loved Barry and his music. Always will. I will respect the
talent the voice, and all that was him from 2001 and back. But that is
all. That being said, since he signed for Vegas, he has become the
ultimate caricature of a lounge singer, and has changed more and more each
year he's there. I have NEVER supported the "BARRY MANILOW"!!!! of rude
and uppity behavior. (It's why I got kicked off of Maniland, when he
called some of us MDI's.) But this latest behavior is beyond the pail. It
doesn't quantify in any way, shape or form as an excuse. It is beyond
selfish, beyond any kind of human decency. I am voting with my dollars,
and if I could boycott Vegas I would. (Well, I have, because I don't have
those kind of $$$$ anyhoo.)
2)I think these tantrums are/have gotten way out of control, and after a
while, NO P.R. machine in the world will save this man. There won't be
enough money, placation, cajoling, and consellation prizes in Vegas to
keep the angry (and accumulated) mobs from spilling the beans about the
bad run-ins with Mr. Cranky. Sometime, somewhere, it WILL happen. Karma
has a way of balancing the scales of justice. There will be a tell-all
that will make PB's pulp look like a hymnal book.
3) You just KNOW that those offended, "assaulted" sullied, or otherwise
treated rudely for no reason other than they are just on the same street
as him, were probably paid off in some way by the Manilow Mafia. (Sinatra
is reputed to have as just as an obnoxious behavioral issues, and was
known to pay off folks who would likely "spill.") The
noticeble lack of major entertainment sources NOT reporting these
dust-ups, and the cozy-cozy rehearsed lines to talk show hosts, mean that
Barry has a well-insulated circle protecting him. By any means necessary.
4) Which brings me to the Maniloony Kool-Aid drinking phsychotics who
beleive that sick and dying CHILDREN are the ones to blame for Barry going
Grinch-y. Wow. Picking on children. That is a new low. Playground bullies
they are.
Geez. These people are SCARY! And, if you sick and twisted Alices from
Maniland are reading this, stop looking in the funhouse mirror, go to your
local shrink, and get some medicine in you!
dennisW
she wants to. I admit I wrote a comment on her blog months ago, and told
her that people are aware of the fact that the reason she stopped talking
about Mr. Manilow suddenly on her blog was because she was warned off by
TPTB. She answered me and admitted that what I said was true, but you
can't read it because she removed the comments right afterwards. I guess
admitting the truth was just too painful for her. Now Scooter is back to
slinging her mud again. Scooter seems to have forgotten what the words
"cease and desist" means.
Scooter will, of course, deny that any of this is true. How do I know
about it? Direct from the source. The same source that knows why she's
been on a certain list in the first place and who has, for years, followed
her activities in more ways than one. When I say big brother is watching,
they are. Dennis Greene
Scooter
> Scooter can deny things in a feeble attempt to make herself look good if
> she wants to. I admit I wrote a comment on her blog months ago, and told
> her that people are aware of the fact that the reason she stopped
> talking about Mr. Manilow suddenly on her blog was because she was
> warned off by TPTB. She answered me and admitted that what I said was
> true, but you can't read it because she removed the comments right
> afterwards. I guess admitting the truth was just too painful for her.
> Now Scooter is back to slinging her mud again. Scooter seems to have
> forgotten what the words "cease and desist" means.
>
> Scooter will, of course, deny that any of this is true. How do I know
> about it? Direct from the source. The same source that knows why she's
> been on a certain list in the first place and who has, for years,
> followed her activities in more ways than one. When I say big brother is
> watching, they are. Dennis Greene
I save everything. Below are your comments, and my reply. There has
never been any "cease and desist" aimed at me. If you were told that,
you've been lied to, you're misinformed, or you're just plain nuts. I'm
not sure what your problem is, but you truly need to get a life outside
the Manilow fold, and leave me alone.
...........
from Anonymous
date May 15, 2008 11:59 AM
subject [Scooter Talk] New comment on JD, EC & BOOTLEGS John Denver
was special to us in....
Scooter! It's evident in this blog entry and others you've written that
you're upset. I know this post will never see the light of day, but please
be wary. You might get yourself in trouble yet again. If you say that
you're going to stop blogging about Barry, then keep to your word. You
never know when Big Brother is watching you.
....................................
from Scooter
date May 15, 2008 2:13 PM
subject [Scooter Talk] New comment on JD, EC & BOOTLEGS John Denver
was special to us in....
If you're going to post a comment like this, at least have the balls to
not do it anonymously.
And since I wasn't in trouble, how can I be in trouble yet again?
Although I was upset when the incident happened that caused all this, I'm
fine now. I said the focus of the blog was changing, which it has. I'm no
longer posting Manilow news articles and photos. But I am including
articles from my Manilow fandom. And I'm expressing my opinion about lots
of things as this is America where we have freedom of speech.
If you'd like to contact me about anything else, my email link is on the
blog.
...................................
from Anonymous
date May 15, 2008 4:07 PM
subject [Scooter Talk] New comment on JD, EC & BOOTLEGS John Denver
was special to us in....
Scooter, I do have the balls not to do it anonymously. My name is Dennis
Greene.
You say that there was an incident that occurred that upset you so much,
you dissolved your Manilow Newz site and state that you can no longer
support Barry in this blog. If whatever the incident is that happened
didn't come from a fan, then the inference is that the BMIFC or Barry
himself, or TPTB, said or did something so severe it made you rescind your
support.
In your recent postings it appears as if you've taken backhanded shots at
Barry. This, too, would seem to support my hypothesis that there's some
genuine anger on your part towards him.
Scooter, you state that we have freedom of speech in American, and that
you're expressing your opinion. I agree that you have the right to do just
that, as do I.
I could be way off base on my assumptions, and I'm sure you'll let me know
if I am. My intentions in warning you were just that, a gentle suggestion
not to get yourself in trouble, legally or otherwise, with TPTB.
.................
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
dennisW
you replied to me "You win". Not telling me I was wrong, which must mean I
was right. Funny how you didn't see fit to include that. And if there was
nothing to hide, why did you wipe this off your blog so quickly?
Also funny that the people who claim they've had enough of Manilow and are
so quick to tell others to leave or get a life, spend a great deal of their
life on here bashing him. If you've all had enough of him, why aren't you
the ones to go away?
Barry may or may not have been rude to these children, but your remarks
about him have been more vile and nasty than anything he might have said
in the first place. Think about how that makes you all look. Which one are
you - the pot or the kettle? Dennis G
Scooter
> Scooter, you conveniently left off the last response to me, which was
> where you replied to me "You win". Not telling me I was wrong, which
> must mean I was right. Funny how you didn't see fit to include that. And
> if there was nothing to hide, why did you wipe this off your blog so
> quickly?
I honestly don't remember posting that. If I did, I deleted it along with
all the comments on that post when my husband said, "You don't need the
stress of some nutcase harrassing you, so dump the whole thing." Will you
believe that? Of course not as you've decided your own version of the
"truth." Do I care? No.
> Also funny that the people who claim they've had enough of Manilow and
> are so quick to tell others to leave or get a life, spend a great deal
> of their life on here bashing him. If you've all had enough of him, why
> aren't you the ones to go away?
Maybe we're still here because there needs to be some sort of balance in
the sychophantic Manilow world. Your "bashing" is another person's
criticism or holding him accountable or not being an "enabler" as Susan
said.
> Barry may or may not have been rude to these children, but your remarks
> about him have been more vile and nasty than anything he might have said
> in the first place. Think about how that makes you all look. Which one
> are you - the pot or the kettle? Dennis G
If he was or wasn't rude, he needs to step up and (a) defend his tarnished
reputation if he's innocent, or (b) get down on his knees and apologize to
those parents and children if he's guilty. Either way, his silence is
deafening.
Go away, "Dennis."
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
dennisW
dump is the last post where you admit that I was right? Do you really
think anyone here would believe that one? I guess you do.
"Maybe we're still here because there needs to be some sort of balance in
the sychophantic Manilow world. Your "bashing" is another person's
criticism or holding him accountable or not being an "enabler" as Susan
said."
said in an earlier post that everyone is entitled to a different opinion.
But what you really mean is that everyone is entitled to YOUR opinion and
if they don't agree with you, then they must be enablers or nutcases, kool
aid drinkers or sycophants.
What Barry needs to do or not isn't your call. He can do something if he
wishes, or he can do nothing; or perhaps the entire story is bull to begin
with and he doesn't need to do anything at all.
Maybe what Barry needs are the folks who call themselves "fans" like you
to be the ones to go away. With friends like you, he sure has enough
enemies. Dennis Greene
Scooter
> Dennis Greene
Get help, Dennis. You're obsessed.
Plonk.
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
Dottie Zydek
> More information athttp://www.talkaboutpeople.com/faq.html
You speak so articulately and have such long posts. You must not have
a job to have the time and energy to post such "commentaries". Must
be nice......
Dottie Zydek
I agree that the silence from Camp Manilow is deafening. All the Camp
has done is exercise censorship removing those negative posts off the
website with no explanation. Their brooms and vacuums must be worn
out from sweeping things under the rug for so long. Huh..they
probably have those round things all over the place that vacuum by
themselves since it's a full time job going under those rugs!!
Scooter
> I agree that the silence from Camp Manilow is deafening. All the Camp
> has done is exercise censorship removing those negative posts off the
> website with no explanation. Their brooms and vacuums must be worn
> out from sweeping things under the rug for so long. Huh..they
> probably have those round things all over the place that vacuum by
> themselves since it's a full time job going under those rugs!!
Picturing those little round things scurrying around sounds like a subject
for a Jackie Toon. ;^)
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
wac...@aol.com
fan club, bless her heart.
Big, deep breaths ...
Wow. Well, I guess I should have figured that I'd eventually get hate
mail. I have now been brutally reminded of why I avoid conflict for
the most part. Especially conflict with unreasonable masses. I've got
to address this one last time, and then I'm through with the matter.
What's going on you ask? I should probably give some background ...
As most of you know, this whole Today Show/Barry Manilow/St. Jude
thing got me rather worked up. I just couldn't stand to think of how
those children and their families were treated. So, what did smarty-
pants ol' me do? I decided it would be a good idea to single-handedly
take on the entire Barry Manilow International Fan Club. That's
right ... I'm more than just a little insane, huh? I honestly never
thought it would get so ugly, but it did.
I joined the fan club (which in and of itself was an incredibly hard
thing to do, given the circumstances and my current opinion of Barry
Manilow), and I posted the story as a discussion on the website.
Things went from bad to worse, and I eventually removed myself from
the "club". Apparently, by removing my membership I also removed any
and all content I'd posted (including the entire discussion thread).
Since I fully believed that the thread would be removed by
administrators at any moment, I saved it all after each reply. In the
interest of full disclosure, I've posted the discussion in its
entirety, here.
Interestingly enough, I received numerous SUPPORTIVE private messages
and emails from fan club members. Fans that weren't at all surprised
that something like this could have happened. Fans that have, in the
past, questioned Manilow's character. Fans that aren't so
frighteningly blinded by whatever it is that Barry Manilow exudes.
While I was thankful for the support, I was intrigued about how the
lionshare of support came in private while the attacks came in
public.
Fast forward to yesterday ... a "FANILOW" has found it appropriate to
come here on Jessica's site and say some incredibly hurtful, nasty
things. I've gone back and forth between wanting to delete the
message; wanting to just ignore it completely; and wanting to email
this person and tell them exactly what I think of their ideas. (Yes, I
have her email address ... anyone want it? haha, just kidding; I
really don't want this to turn into all-out war.)
I've decided NOT to delete the guestbook entry because I feel that it
serves a purpose ... I feel that it only strengthens our resolve to
educate people about the ravages of childhood cancer. Unfortunately,
there are other people out there like Kaaren. People that are
completely sheltered in their own little fantasy world and don't
realize what's happening to our children; or worse yet ... don't CARE.
I've decided there's no way I can ignore the guestbook entry. That's
just not my nature.
And, I've decided NOT to email Kaaren because I simply don't want to
waste the keystrokes on what I'm sure would be a completely fruitless
effort and certainly wouldn't make me feel any better.
In a way, I do feel like I brought this ugliness here, to Jessica's
site, and that's the worst part of all this. I really don't like all
the negative energy and will seriously pick my battles more carefully
the next time around. I was just so worked up over the situation and
I've gotten used to coming here over the years and just "letting it
all hang out". (Note to self: consider a diary ... with real paper ...
and a lock and key.) :)
For what it's worth, I do want to mention a few more things about the
messed up things that happened last week to some of our courageous
heroes and their families ...
I have had an ongoing correspondence with Manilow's agent, Mr. Garry
Kief. He was kind enough to respond to my email, and his statement was
as follows:
Thank you for your email.
I have contacted numerous people in attendance trying to ascertain the
facts.
I don’t know what your friends heard.
I do know that whatever they heard; they didn’t hear Barry.
OK, fair enough. At least he responded. I have a feeling we'll never
know the truth about what happened that day, unfortunately. The
important thing is that hopefully nothing like that will ever happen
again.
Mr. Kief also responded to what Kaaren wrote in Jessica's guestbook.
He wrote (again, keeping with my whole "full disclosure" theme):
Heide…
I’m really sorry this all has transpired.
As you probably know….Barry considers Marlo a friend…and has
previously presented a benefit concert (gratis) for St. Jude’s……as
well as City of Hope, Cystic Fibrosis, United Way, and numerous other
organizations that help kids.
Those who know him…..including many, if not all of his fans, were
justifiably upset at the accusations that were posted and questioned
the intent of the messenger.
Beyond that, I don’t represent the hundreds of thousands of Manilow
fans around the world and would suggest that you address them
directly.
Best…
Garry.
To the mean-spirited fan who left the nasty message in the
guestbook ... I'm not entirely sure what your issues are and I really
don't care. I didn't understand what you meant by the "Heide"
bandwagon and me not getting what I wanted, when I wanted it? What's
up with that? And the part I find most offensive and absolutely
wayyyyy out of line is where you have the audacity to state that
Manilow has touched more lives in ways that medicine, prayer, and
doctors cannot? Seriously, Kaaren? Seriously?
In closing, I'd like to add that I am confident that Jessica is proud
of me and of what I'm doing. It will take a lot more than a crazed fan
telling me otherwise for me to give up that confidence.
As always, thank you all for your continued support. Look forward to
kinder, more gentler posts from me in the future. :) This controversy
crap is for the birds and expends too much energy in the wrong places.
Happy Hump Day, all.
MuckrakerMole
say it.
rpj...@yahoo.com
> Then, according to official word from Garry Kief, I was right. Barry didn't
> say it.
>
> --
> More information athttp://www.talkaboutpeople.com/faq.html
Unfortunately MM, that isn't going to be enough to vindicate Barry
with this bunch.
Crystal
jacki...@gmail.com
since it's a full time job going under those rugs!!
>
> Picturing those little round things scurrying around sounds like a subject
> for a Jackie Toon. ;^)
I have a few things roughed out.
If Big Brother is watching -- he's REALLY NOT going to like them.
I'm also wondering if Big Brother and threats to fans -- or yelling at
St. Jude children really help Manilow in his pursuit to be "vetted" in
role of singer at the Inauguration. Y'think he's such a good role
model right now or appropriate symbol for bringing the country
together?
Jackie
jacki...@gmail.com
> Unfortunately MM, that isn't going to be enough to vindicate Barry
> with this bunch.
You are absolutely right about me. At this point, I've been waiting
and watching and FINALLY after a few days, there is at least some
acknowledgement and a kind word from the Manilow camp to those cancer
parents.
The sorry situation is that this isn't the first time we've heard
about Manilow's temper tantrums, so it's unsurprising and kind of
predicatable, thing is -- this time it happened to a group of sick
kids and their parents.
Here's the deal Crystal -- I've been a long time fan -- but a
realistic one. I never felt Barry could part the waters or tame the
seas. I also feel that Barry lives in a bubble of "Yes" people who
guarantee him that his poo doesn't stink. I'm saddened by the
stories, disheartened with the covers series, and need an outlet to
vent. This place I can and my posts won't be deleted.
Truly, if Manilow had a concert down the street from me and if it were
free -- right now I'd opt to do laundry and stay at home. It's the
little things -- like charging his fan base $1,500 to meet him ...
that really have colored how I even listen to his music. The St.
Jude's kids episode, fairly believable, is kinda it for me. I'll
watch and wait a few more days ... but this is bad.
Jackie
jacki...@gmail.com
> On Dec 3, 11:48 am, Scooter <em...@invalid.com> wrote:
> since it's a full time job going under those rugs!!
>
>
>
> > Picturing those little round things scurrying around sounds like a subject
> > for a Jackie Toon. ;^)
>
> I have a few things roughed out.
>
> If Big Brother is watching -- he's REALLY NOT going to like them.
>
I'm also waiting a few days before doing anything or posting
anything. I do want to know the whole deal.
Jackie
lyndyb
case of Barry Manilow, he is extremely talented and makes beautiful music
with (for the most part) lovely sentiments that we've all enjoyed. That
has led many/most to believe that he, too, is a nice person - we want to
think that's true. I daresay he has many positive attributes, but bsed on
stories we've heard and scenes people have witnessed, he's not perfect -
and is capable of behaving badly. I personally have never wanted to meet
him or anyone else who I admire because I do think it would be
disillusioning to know what they're really like, realizing that without
being aware of it, we assign them superhuman characteristics and would be
disappointed to discover they're pretty normal.
In this case, it will be interesting to see what happens and if there are
any signs we'll recognize (after having heard this story) that will be an
indication of his efforts to make amends or to fix the situation. In
fairness, I am sure there are things I've said or done that I'd be
embarassed if they were all over the internet. I'm in no way condoning or
excusing his behavior - or the behavior of someone acting in his behalf (or
believing they were acting in his behalf - or whatever they want to have us
believe). It's one thing to have a cranky day and act out (though nothing
mkes me lose respect for someone faster than to see them treat others
badly, ESPECIALLY if they're in a position of power), but I can't think of
anything that would be less defensible or that we would be able to overlook
or buy than behaving badly toward sick children there to represent St.
Jude. I'm not going to tell you I won't ever buy another Manilow CD or
that I won't listen to the ones I have, but I have to admit that this has
colored my overall opinion of him. I'm a fan of long standing - 30+ years
but not member of the Kool Aid Brigade (went on the BarryNet Message Board
once and wanted to gouge my eyes out). This just makes me very sad - and
as I said before, it'll be interesting to see how/if this plays out.
Reb
news:bbc8fe06773cc7d0...@localhost.talkaboutpeople.com:
> . I personally have never wanted to meet
> him or anyone else who I admire because I do think it would be
> disillusioning to know what they're really like, realizing that without
> being aware of it, we assign them superhuman characteristics and would be
> disappointed to discover they're pretty normal.
>
>
I've met him. more than once. barry was great. nice as can be every single
time. I never paid one cent to meet him. we all have bad days. sometimes we
say and do things we regret and later realize that. I hope Barry says
something regarding the incident. in this one case Garry should not be
speaking for him.
wac...@aol.com
wrote:
> More information athttp://www.talkaboutpeople.com/faq.html
I don't think you can hold yourself to the same standards as a public
person who is appearing on television in front of a huge audience. I
get that he's not perfect and is certainly fallible, but his behavior
over the years points to his inability to adjust himself accordingly
to certain situations. More importantly, the people who he surrounds
himself with behave equally as bad at times.
Personallly, I was never a huge fan of him because of all the negative
stuff I've heard from other fans over the years, but the music kept me
going. Now, with all these decades tributes I can't say I have can
even call myself a fan of that anymore, but this latest nonsense
really put things into perspective for me. I'm not just talking about
what he may or someone from his camp did, but some of these fans are
just too vile for words.
Susan
Scooter
> I'm not just talking about
> what he may or someone from his camp did, but some of these fans are
> just too vile for words.
Yes, they are. Kaaren who posted on one of the guestbooks of Caring Bridge
was beyond vile. It couldn't possibly, ever, under any circumstances be
Barry's fault for anything. Instead she trashed St. Jude. Lovely, huh? Not
much Maniluv there.
--
Scooter
http://scootertalk.blogspot.com/
jacki...@gmail.com
I think Kaaren has got some issues from waaaaay back and might not be
the most stablest shelf to hold the KoolAid, if one consults The
Google.
Jackie
Gillian
It couldn’t be that people known to have a personal vendetta against
Barry are using this as an excuse to tar and feather him without first
hearing both sides of the story, could it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep!! It's called trial without a jury. Common place on here, sadly
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gill
UK
wac...@aol.com
> "MuckrakerMole wrote:
>
> It couldn’t be that people known to have a personal vendetta against
> Barry are using this as an excuse to tar and feather him without first
> hearing both sides of the story, could it?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Yep!! It's called trial without a jury. Common place on here, sadly
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Gill
> UK
>
> --
> More information athttp://www.talkaboutpeople.com/faq.html
Don't be such a drama queen.
Susan
rpj...@yahoo.com
Yes Gill, that's Susan's job.
Crystal
Gillian
> Don't be such a drama queen.
>
> Susan
Yes Gill, that's Susan's job.
Crystal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A drama queen is decent enough compared to my thoughts on some of the
blinkered people on here.
Lets face it people, he ain't perfect by any means. I have been a fan long
enough to see the worst of him once or twice ( so don't think I'm too
starry eyed to see straight cause I'm not), but you can't wait to believe
the worst EVERYTIME. Why oh WHY step on him constantly. It's not up to me
to say yay or nay as to what happened.I wasn't there and neither were most
of you. And quite honestly, you all make me sick to my stomach the way you
all jump on the 'bad boy Manilow' bandwagon.
This man does so much for charities including many childrens charities and
more than we realise. So why would he jeopardise his good reputation this
way.
Susan? If you think he's a complete and utter asshole, fine. Turn the
lights off and shut the door on your way out please.
Gill
wac...@aol.com
The is a public newsgroup and, like you, I am entitled to my opinions
as much as you are yours. If you don't like what I have to say, then
please, by all means, pass on my postings. As for me, I will continue
to post here if and when I choose to regardless of what you or anyone
else thinks.
Susan
rpj...@yahoo.com
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Crystal
jacki...@gmail.com
> Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Great and mature way to represent your artist and your opinions
Crystal.
What gets me about the fan base is the "I'm a better fan than you
because" garbage that happens. Why is it that? Why can't someone
hold a different opinion than yours?
Jackie
jacki...@gmail.com
> If you think he's a complete and utter asshole, fine. Turn the
> lights off and shut the door on your way out please.
Why?
This is a discussion, not a club. This is probably the most HONEST
site regarding fan discussions because it isn't censored, because
there are realistic and diverse opinions.
Jackie
Tin@
To all of you. You guys act like you know Barry. You dont, you know
the public persona he wants to present to you, so come on, stop acting
llike you know if he's an asshole, or upset or whatever emotion you
want to place on him. I'm LMBO at you fools.
Tin@
> On Dec 5, 3:00 pm, "rpj...@yahoo.com" <rpj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Blah, blah, blah, blah.
>
> Great and mature way to represent your artist and your opinions
> Crystal.
I missed where Crystal represented anybody but herself.
>
> What gets me about the fan base is the "I'm a better fan than you
> because" garbage that happens. Why is it that? Why can't someone
> hold a different opinion than yours?
>
> Jackie
Why can't you guys get a grip? If you dont like what Barry does, dont
buy his CD, dont go to his concert, dont watch the show he's on.