Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body found?
a...@zmark.cts.comx
with Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body in it.
It was at the bottom of a lake or something.
This was reported at 5:45 am PST on kgtv channel 10 San Diego.
a...@zmark.cts.comx
http://www.tampabayonline.net/news/news101r.htm
5/31/99 -- 1:23 AM
Skeletal remains may belong to missing rock musician
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MALIBU, Calif. (AP) - Human remains found inside the wreckage of a
minivan that plunged down a 200-foot ravine may be those of a rock
musician missing since 1995, police said.
The 1993 Ford Aerostar matches the description of a van driven by Iron
Butterfly bass player Philip ``Taylor'' Kramer, who was believed to be
driving his van when he disappeared Feb. 12, 1995.
The remains were being examined by coroner's investigators Sunday,
authorities said. No identity has been released.
A hiker in the ravine discovered the skeleton late Saturday but
investigators were not able to recover the vehicle until daylight, said
Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Bruce Thomas.
The ravine is located below a curving, two-lane road that is a popular
dumping ground for stolen cars, Thomas said.
It is not yet clear whether the driver died when the car went off the
side of the road or whether foul play was involved.
Kramer, who was 42 when he disappeared, was last seen leaving his
Thousand Oaks-area home to pick up a friend at Los Angeles International
Airport.
He achieved fame in 1975 as a singer and bass player with Iron
Butterfly, which had several incarnations with various band members.
Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
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paghat
> I just heard a news report that they may have found a van
> with Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body in it.
> It was at the bottom of a lake or something.
> This was reported at 5:45 am PST on kgtv channel 10 San Diego.
In a van in a gulley, Vida, don't you know that I love ya.
-paghat
paghat
off the side of the road into a gulley & not be found for four years.
-paghat
Muuga
I can't verify this but , dames said he was buried in a shallow grave or
something
,and that It would be embarrassing to his family, if dames said the way he
died.
Does anybody remember this interview with dames??
<a...@zmark.cts.comx> wrote in message news:375284b4...@nntp.cts.com...
a...@zmark.cts.comx
>I remember head games , remote viewing this mystery.
>
>I can't verify this but , dames said he was buried in a shallow grave or
>something
> ,and that It would be embarrassing to his family, if dames said the way he
>died.
>
>Does anybody remember this interview with dames??
Yup, here's the transcript. Has Malibu been annexed by Montana?
http://www.trv-psitech.com/transcripts/ab030697.htm
"Dames: And we do guarantee our results. So then we say, not only is
your brother dead.....not only is he the victim of a homicide.....and
not only is he buried in the State of Montana.....we are going to
recreate the event. "
><a...@zmark.cts.comx> wrote in message news:375284b4...@nntp.cts.com...
>> I just heard a news report that they may have found a van
>> with Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body in it.
Oops, that should be "bassist".
a...@zmark.cts.comx
>In article <375284b4...@nntp.cts.com>, a...@zmark.cts.comx wrote:
>
>> I just heard a news report that they may have found a van
>> with Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body in it.
>> It was at the bottom of a lake or something.
>> This was reported at 5:45 am PST on kgtv channel 10 San Diego.
>
>In a van in a gulley, Vida, don't you know that I love ya.
>-paghat
That was good. Now there's coffee all over my keyboard.
Ed McMahonnaise
long-winded drum solo? The guy gave drum solos a bad name.
I'm sill waiting for the "In-a-God-a-divida" remix versions. It would be a
quick way to make a multi-disc release.
I always thought Dave Koresh (aspiring rock star that he was) should have
done a cover of "In-a-God-a-divida," but called it "In-a-God-a-Davidian."
"In-a-God-a-Davidian, honey, don't you know I'll ALWAYS be true..."
a...@zmark.cts.comx wrote in article <375284b4...@nntp.cts.com>...
LarryInNev
remote veiwed him alive!!!!!!!!!!!
ma...@my-deja.com
> with Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body in it.
> It was at the bottom of a lake or something.
> This was reported at 5:45 am PST on kgtv channel 10 San Diego.
>
>
>> their lifes. and to give him a proper burial. one of the worse
>> things a human being can go through is not nowing what happened to
>> a loved one who's missing.
>> Man00
>> A.K.A. big John
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Glen Quarnstrom
>I remember head games , remote viewing this mystery.
>
>I can't verify this but , dames said he was buried in a shallow grave or
>something
> ,and that It would be embarrassing to his family, if dames said the way he
>died.
>
>Does anybody remember this interview with dames??
He was appropriately vague, but I seem to recall something about Montana
in there, too. Not that it matters. Dames is a fraud.
--
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http://www.cyberhighway.net/~glenq/
"Glenq is our resident super-crank, loved by all, taken seriously by two."
---paghat the observant
Cathead232
> with Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body in it.
> It was at the bottom of a lake or something.
> This was reported at 5:45 am PST on kgtv channel 10 San Diego.
>
Just a little reminder from an AFAB Bully; Ed Dames said he'd used remote
viewing to locate kramer about 3 years ago, but wouldn't give details on Art's
show. Alledgedly, he gave the info to the family or the cops or both...sure
took their sweet time if Eddy gave them all the answers.
"Remember kids, people who disagree with you aren't just wrong, they're
evil..."
Gen. Trelane
quick!!
http://www.trv-psitech.com/transcripts/ab030697.htm
>Dames: And we do guarantee our results. So then we say, not only is your
>brother dead.....not only is he the victim of a homicide.....and not only is he
>buried in the State of Montana.....we are going to recreate the event.
>Dames: Philip Taylor Kramer was murdered in his own vehicle, he was shot.
>There were 3 other individuals in the van at the time and it appears that he was
>shot within the environs of Los Angeles and his body was transported to
>Montana.
>Dames: It's not that we think, we know that it's next to.....and I hope the
>murderers are listening right now.....it's next to a river, a small river in Montana.
>If they go back and attempt to retrieve the body.....I don't think anyone would do
>that in the state that it's in right now. We know that it is very decomposed because
>the river has risen periodically and flooded the area where the body is.....the body
>is very badly decomposed.....but if they did attempt to retrieve it, we'd know,
>using the techniques that we have and that would give us much easier access to
>the murderers.
Can anyone say CHARLATAN ??
paghat
wrote:
> me@mom's. (Gen. Trelane) wrote:
>
> >Get it while you can! You can bet ol' Head Games will pull this
> >quick!!
> >
> >
> >http://www.trv-psitech.com/transcripts/ab030697.htm
> >
>
>
> My favorite part of the transcript:
>
> Dames: Let's get back to the basics. The basics are that your brother
> was involved in a relationship. He knew the people in the van with him
> and one of those people pulled the trigger on him in his own car and
> transported the body to Montana. That is.....my company stands by it. We
> have other information but that information we will have to pass to you
> and law enforcement officials privately.
>
> Bwahahahaha!
>
> --
> Dr.Postman
Thanks for the cool quote. I couldn't weed through the whole boring page.
-paghat
anonym™
>
> me@mom's. (Gen. Trelane) wrote:
>
> >Get it while you can! You can bet ol' Head Games will pull this
> >quick!!
> >
> >
> >http://www.trv-psitech.com/transcripts/ab030697.htm
> >
>
> My favorite part of the transcript:
>
> Dames: Let's get back to the basics. The basics are that your brother
> was involved in a relationship.
This alone means that Dames knows his shit.
Awesome!
> He knew the people in the van with him
> and one of those people pulled the trigger on him in his own car
That would explain the van being at the bottom of a ravine in Californ...
>and
> transported the body to Montana.
Montana? Wait a minute....
> That is.....my company stands by it.
Oops.
> We
> have other information but that information we will have to pass to you
> and law enforcement officials privately.
>
> Bwahahahaha!
>
Wow!
Those were some bad people!
Not only did they transport his van and body to a ravine in California,
but they were also able to travel back in time and force him to make a
911 call in which he warned he was going to commit suicide!
DrPostman
>Get it while you can! You can bet ol' Head Games will pull this
>quick!!
>
>
>http://www.trv-psitech.com/transcripts/ab030697.htm
>
My favorite part of the transcript:
Dames: Let's get back to the basics. The basics are that your brother
was involved in a relationship. He knew the people in the van with him
and one of those people pulled the trigger on him in his own car and
transported the body to Montana. That is.....my company stands by it. We
have other information but that information we will have to pass to you
and law enforcement officials privately.
Bwahahahaha!
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byrrha
> Amazing to realize there are places in Malibu where you could drive
> off the side of the road into a gulley & not be found for four years.
> -paghat
>
> >
> > MALIBU, Calif. (AP) - Human remains found inside the wreckage of a
> > minivan that plunged down a 200-foot ravine may be those of a rock
> > musician missing since 1995, police said.
<snip>
Jimmy Hoffa left a Pennsylvania restaurant a couple decades ago and he
still hasn't been found. Thanks to an observant afa-b fan, the search
for Hoffa has begun anew in the previously unknown ravines near Malibu,
a highly placed official source revealed late today.
-byrrha
Rev. P. Villa, S.J.
Michael <nob...@best.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSF.4.10.990531...@shell15.ba.best.com...
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 31 May 1999, paghat wrote:
>
> : > I just heard a news report that they may have found a van
> : > with Iron Butterfly drummer Philip Taylor Kramer's body in it.
> : > This was reported at 5:45 am PST on kgtv channel 10 San Diego.
> : In a van in a gulley, Vida, don't you know that I love ya.
>
> HAHA HA HA!
Yes!
Or: "In her garters for Villa, ..."
Rev. P. Villa, S.J.
>
>
> Michael
>
dr. digger
> "Muuga" <tidal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I remember head games , remote viewing this mystery.
> >
> >I can't verify this but , dames said he was buried in a shallow grave or
> >something
> > ,and that It would be embarrassing to his family, if dames said the way he
> >died.
> >
> >Does anybody remember this interview with dames??
>
> He was appropriately vague, but I seem to recall something about Montana
> in there, too. Not that it matters. Dames is a fraud.
I recall Dames saying that Kramer's body was in water, maybe he said
shallow water, but he said he RVed the body surrounded by water.
Yet another miss. I don't know how Dames can possibly be wrong, every
single time he opens his mouth. One of these days his luck is bound
to change, and he'll finally get a hit.
dr. digger
Cathead232
>single time he opens his mouth. One of these days his luck is bound
>to change, and he'll finally get a hit.
>
And when that day comes, Art will crow like a cock...
EdGein14
want to mail your insults, write to:
Chris Barrus
paghat <paggersSP...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Amazing to realize there are places in Malibu where you could drive
> off the side of the road into a gulley & not be found for four years.
Actually, it's not surprising at all. The van was found at the very
bottom of Decker Canyon - roughly 200 or so feet down a very steep
cliff below Decker Canyon Rd. (CA-23). This stretch of road is very
windy – difficult enough in sports car, but certainly not something I'd
want to do in a minivan. It's rough terrain, and very difficult to
move around in.
-c.
--
___________________________________________________
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Kookie
(DrPostman) wrote in message
<375b32f4....@news.mindspring.com>:
>me@mom's. (Gen. Trelane) wrote:
>
>>Get it while you can! You can bet ol' Head Games will pull this
>>quick!!
>>
>>
>>http://www.trv-psitech.com/transcripts/ab030697.htm
>>
>
>
>My favorite part of the transcript:
>
>Dames: Let's get back to the basics. The basics are that your brother
>was involved in a relationship. He knew the people in the van with him
>and one of those people pulled the trigger on him in his own car and
>transported the body to Montana. That is.....my company stands by it. We
>have other information but that information we will have to pass to you
>and law enforcement officials privately.
>
>
>
>
>Bwahahahaha!
You know, when you read the story and think back about it, it's
really disgusting. I feel sorry for what Dames *and* Bell did to
Kathy Kramer, Philip Taylor Kramer's sister. Having a missing
relative has to be one of life's most dreaded and painful
experiences. You can't help but make yourself vulnerable by
wanting to know what happened to your loved one that you end up
putting yourself at the mercy of such frauds.
How can Dames live with himself?
Kookie
anonym™
Kookie wrote:
Maybe Kathy Kramer can sue Art ad Ed for 60 million dollars.
anonym™
So your company "stands by" a remote viewing that had Phil Kramer's body in
Montana, huh?
Is that Malibu, Montana?
Otherwise known as California?
You fucking fraud. What kind of piece of shit are you, torturing a family member
who has suffered a loss like that with false information?
How much did she pay you, or pay to explore your bullshit?
Let me do a remote future viewing for you: you're going to commit suicide,
penniless, and no one will even know care where your body *lies* anymore.
Cathead232
>Let me do a remote future viewing for you: you're going to commit
>suicide, penniless, and no one will even know care where your body
> *lies* anymore.
>
But in Art's mind he'll be as accurate as ever...
DrPostman
>
>Maybe Kathy Kramer can sue Art ad Ed for 60 million dollars.
Excellent suggestion - especially since Ed "guaranteed" this on
Art's show. Of course she MUST have know that this was just
for "entertainment" only, right?
According to Chris, Art never does anything to bring trouble onto
himself.