Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
Bunn E. Rabbit
Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16475025%5E2703,00.html
Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D. McNicoll
September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker stranded in New Orleans in
the wake of Hurricane Katrina has told his parents he witnessed
horrific scenes while sheltering in the city's Superdome, including
murders, rapes and stabbings.
John McNeil, a 20-year-old university graduate, rang his parents in
Brisbane yesterday from a payphone in the foyer of the New Orleans
Hilton, where about 60 foreign tourists, including 10 Australians,
were sheltering under armed guard after they were rescued from the
Superdome by US military personnel.
In a brief telephone call, John told his father, businessman Peter
McNeil, of chaos and lawlessness in the Superdome, where more than
20,000 refugees sought shelter after the hurricane.
"He saw murders, stabbings and rapes in there," Mr McNeil said.
Mr McNeil said about 100 military personnel and police in the dome
were struggling to cope with the huge crowd.
"It was just getting worse by the hour and there were gangs in there
who were killing each other," he said.
Mr McNeil claimed African Americans in the Superdome had abused
foreign tourists and demanded they be rescued ahead of them from the
crowded football stadium, where conditions were stifling.
The 60 foreign tourists were escorted from the Superdome by military
personnel. They spent one night at a medical aid post in a nearby
building before they were moved to the Hilton.
Gold Coast entertainment agency owner Gary Hopes said yesterday his
family had been extremely worried about his younger brother Anthony,
30, who had been missing for five days after the hurricane.
But the family was relieved to learn yesterday that Anthony was among
the 60 foreigners sheltering in the Hilton.
While the Hopeses and McNeils had obtained information about their
loved ones, other families across Australia were still hoping last
night for up-to-date news.
With most telephone lines to the devastated city working only
sporadically, and all mobile phone coverage wiped out, communications
were chaotic.
Sydney woman Sharon Cullington flew to the US yesterday to find her
22-year-old daughter, Vanessa, who she had not heard from since
Tuesday night.
Accompanied by her daughter's boyfriend, Toby Salmon, Ms Cullington
was armed with photographs of her missing child.
"We've brought lots of photos and we're just basically going to see
who's there and who we can hassle," she said.
Vanessa Cullington has been in the US since June working at a Camp
Counsellors USA youth camp and was at the start of four weeks of
travelling.
Ms Cullington said Vanessa had been on a train to New Orleans from
Washington DC and hadn't heard about the approaching hurricane.
Tim and Joanne Miller of Rockhampton, on holiday in the US, contacted
their daughter Tamara yesterday and told her that they were still
awaiting evacuation after living under a bridge in the flooded city
for four days.
Ms Miller said her parents had been threatened by a gun-wielding guard
when they tried to board a bus.
A family spokesman for Brisbane sisters-in-law Fiona Seidel and Katie
McLean, who were reported on Wednesday to be safe in a tourist hotel,
said they were out of contact.
Sydney woman Denise Drake, 29, rang her mother Mercedes yesterday,
saying she was trapped in one of the city's churches without food or
drinkable water.
"Mum, I'm alive but I am trapped in this church. Get someone to come
and rescue us. Report it, ring the embassy," Mrs Riviera said her
daughter had told her.
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Stuart Grey
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>
>
> Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16475025%5E2703,00.html
>
> Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D. McNicoll
> September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker stranded in New Orleans in
> the wake of Hurricane Katrina has told his parents he witnessed
> horrific scenes while sheltering in the city's Superdome, including
> murders, rapes and stabbings.
>
??
They have all the world to go visit, and they decide to vacation in one
of the worse cesspools and high crime rates in America, during Hurricane
season?!
Oh yeah, I'd pick THAT spot.
At least the Gernman government told their people not go to to Florida
because the blacks there kept car jacking and killing everyone in a
rental car.
B1ackwater
>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16475025%5E2703,00.html
>
>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D. McNicoll
>September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker stranded in New Orleans in
>the wake of Hurricane Katrina has told his parents he witnessed
>horrific scenes while sheltering in the city's Superdome, including
>murders, rapes and stabbings.
Dr. King would be SO proud ...
John Griffin
> Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
>> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,
>> 16475025%5E2703,00.html
>>
>> Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D.
>> McNicoll September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker stranded
>> in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina has told his
>> parents he witnessed horrific scenes while sheltering in the
>> city's Superdome, including murders, rapes and stabbings.
>>
>
> ??
>
> They have all the world to go visit, and they decide to
> vacation in one of the worse cesspools and high crime rates in
> America, during Hurricane season?!
>
> Oh yeah, I'd pick THAT spot.
I think, just for the hell of it, I'll tell you how silly that
was. First of all, there's no indication that the guy was
vacationing in New Orleans. That's just where he happened to be
at a bad time during his backpacking trip. He wasn't very mobile,
so he got stuck there for a while. Second, of all the reasons to
avoid New Orleans, the probability of getting your ass into a
hurricane is near the bottom.
http://www.hurricanecity.com/city/neworleans.htm
Compared to the chance of being killed by a hurricane in New
Orleans...
You're more likely to be killed for sport in D.C.
You're more likely to die from heat in Chicago.
You're more likely to die from cold in Chicago.
You're more likely to die from boredom in Pittsburg.
You're more likely to die from AIDS in San Francisco.
You're more likely to die from a wall or even a whole building
falling on you in the Los Angeles area. (It's always earthquake
season.)
You're more likely to die from a wall intentionally toppled on
you or from being thrown off the top of a tall building if you
get caught in Mecca by The Pervert Mohammed's cult drones.
> At least the Gernman government told their people not go to to
> Florida because the blacks there kept car jacking and killing
> everyone in a rental car.
Oops, I missed that one. (The others were just wild guesses,
except the last one.)
Pope Secola VI
Kayne west on the telethon last night.
I wonder how many of his extorted dollars Jessie Jackson has given to
the cause. Any one want to bet the amount is $0.00.
After listening to the democrats I have recalled the tanker trucks
carrying 5000 gallons of Diesel and 1000 gallons of Aviation fuel. The
Angus beef that I was giving to soup kitchens and now being sold to
steak houses at a nice profit.
Let the loud mouth shit for brains Democrats pay for the disaster I
don't give a fuck any more.
--
There are in fact two things, Science and opinion,
the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.
Hippocrates
467-377 B.C.
Stuart Grey
Traditionally, when the US finds it has its citizens in the armpit of
hell in some third world country, we send in the United States Marines
to go in and get them safely out.
Don't the Australians have anything like our U.S. Marines Corps?
Stuart Grey
> Stuart Grey <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
>>>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,
>>>16475025%5E2703,00.html
>>>
>>>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D.
>>>McNicoll September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker stranded
>>>in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina has told his
>>>parents he witnessed horrific scenes while sheltering in the
>>>city's Superdome, including murders, rapes and stabbings.
>>>
>>
>>??
>>
>>They have all the world to go visit, and they decide to
>>vacation in one of the worse cesspools and high crime rates in
>>America, during Hurricane season?!
>>
>>Oh yeah, I'd pick THAT spot.
>
>
> I think, just for the hell of it, I'll tell you how silly that
> was.
Great.
> First of all, there's no indication that the guy was
> vacationing in New Orleans. That's just where he happened to be
> at a bad time during his backpacking trip.
So, you're saying that either backpacking half way around the world from
his home is not a vacation, or that a vactation that includes
backpacking through new orleans is not actually a vacation to New Orleans.
OR perhaps you're saying that we don't know why the hell he was there at
all; perhaps he was part of an advanced Australian invasion force of the
Australian military, and was scouting out landing zones when the whole
invasion plan went bad with the Hurricane and the discovery that the
U.S. has an even worse problem than they do back home in Australia; so
the invasion plan was called off.
Actually, I don't know what the hell you're saying, but it appears to be
gibber that no sense can be made from.
> He wasn't very mobile,
> so he got stuck there for a while. Second, of all the reasons to
> avoid New Orleans, the probability of getting your ass into a
> hurricane is near the bottom.
>
> http://www.hurricanecity.com/city/neworleans.htm
>
> Compared to the chance of being killed by a hurricane in New
> Orleans...
>
> You're more likely to be killed for sport in D.C.
And has he found out, you are equally likely to be killed for sport in
New Orleans. Tourist need to stay in the tourist areas. Heaven help them
if the primitives come out into the tourist areas to hunt them.
> You're more likely to die from heat in Chicago.
You're more likely to die from disease in New Orleans.
You're more likely to die from starvation in New Orleans.
You're more likely to die from diversity in New Orleans.
You're more likely to die from thirst in New Orleans.
You're more likely to find yourself swimming in crap in New Orleans.
What's your point?
John Griffin
> John Griffin wrote:
>> Stuart Grey <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
>>>>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744
>>>>, 16475025%5E2703,00.html
>>>>
>>>>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D.
>>>>McNicoll September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker
>>>>stranded in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina has
>>>>told his parents he witnessed horrific scenes while
>>>>sheltering in the city's Superdome, including murders, rapes
>>>>and stabbings.
>>>>
>>>
>>>??
>>>
>>>They have all the world to go visit, and they decide to
>>>vacation in one of the worse cesspools and high crime rates
>>>in America, during Hurricane season?!
>>>
>>>Oh yeah, I'd pick THAT spot.
>>
>>
>> I think, just for the hell of it, I'll tell you how silly
>> that was.
>
> Great.
>
>> First of all, there's no indication that the guy was
>> vacationing in New Orleans. That's just where he happened to
>> be at a bad time during his backpacking trip.
>
> So, you're saying that either backpacking half way around the
> world from his home is not a vacation, or that a vactation
> that includes backpacking through new orleans is not actually
> a vacation to New Orleans.
I'm saying that we have no idea whether New Orleans was a
destination or just a spot on his path. Since he was
backpacking, it's far more likely to have been the latter. You
don't even know whether the guy has ever held a job, so your leap
to the "vacation" assumption is silly. A "real" cross-country
backpacker has no firm plans for where he'll be tomorrow.
> OR perhaps you're saying that we don't know why the hell he
> was there at all; perhaps he was part of an advanced
> Australian invasion force of the Australian military, and was
> scouting out landing zones when the whole invasion plan went
> bad with the Hurricane and the discovery that the U.S. has an
> even worse problem than they do back home in Australia; so the
> invasion plan was called off.
No, I was just saying what I said.
> Actually, I don't know what the hell you're saying, but it
> appears to be gibber that no sense can be made from.
Actually, the problem, most likely, is that you're an airhead.
What I said was perfectly clear.
>> He wasn't very mobile,
>> so he got stuck there for a while. Second, of all the reasons
>> to avoid New Orleans, the probability of getting your ass
>> into a hurricane is near the bottom.
>>
>> http://www.hurricanecity.com/city/neworleans.htm
>>
>> Compared to the chance of being killed by a hurricane in New
>> Orleans...
>>
>> You're more likely to be killed for sport in D.C.
>
> And has he found out, you are equally likely to be killed for
> sport in New Orleans. Tourist need to stay in the tourist
> areas. Heaven help them if the primitives come out into the
> tourist areas to hunt them.
We can hope that publicity-seeking parasites Jesse Jackson and Al
Sharpton will urge them to stay calm.
>> You're more likely to die from heat in Chicago.
>
> You're more likely to die from disease in New Orleans.
> You're more likely to die from starvation in New Orleans.
> You're more likely to die from diversity in New Orleans.
> You're more likely to die from thirst in New Orleans.
> You're more likely to find yourself swimming in crap in New
> Orleans.
>
> What's your point?
rotfl. Thanks for emphasizing my point that it was silly for you
to say hurricanes are a good reason to stay away from New
Orleans. You should have raised your eyes to the heavens and
watched it swoosh past while you were unwittingly adding to it.
Stuart Grey
First, this is a trival issue. Most of the time, the blacks of New
Orleans are under control.
If I was going to go on a hike through LA, I sure as hell wouldn't
include parts of east LA or Watts on my path. Maybe up and down some
beaches. There are parts of the city were white men just don't go, and
they sure as hell don't go there at night.
Tourist often don't know where these forbidden areas are. They're not
published, because that would be racist. You find out by wispers, and
police warnings to get the hell out of there. You find out by being
assaulted on the street.
>>OR perhaps you're saying that we don't know why the hell he
>>was there at all; perhaps he was part of an advanced
>>Australian invasion force of the Australian military, and was
>>scouting out landing zones when the whole invasion plan went
>>bad with the Hurricane and the discovery that the U.S. has an
>>even worse problem than they do back home in Australia; so the
>>invasion plan was called off.
>
>
> No, I was just saying what I said.
Ah yes. The old "no one knows what I said, so don't comment on what I
said" evasion.
Forgive me for assuming that there was some kind of discernable
intelligence to your words. I'm glad you've pointed out that what you
said is unknowable, and thus, unintelligible gibber.
WakeU...@adelphia.net
<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16475025%5E2703,00.html
>
>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D. McNicoll
>September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker stranded in New Orleans in
>the wake of Hurricane Katrina has told his parents he witnessed
>horrific scenes while sheltering in the city's Superdome, including
>murders, rapes and stabbings.
Yep -- very early on (Tuesday or Wed., I think) it'd already been
reported that two young girls were seen by many people being raped in
a bathroom of the Superdome but no one did anything to stop it.
Agree with this post? Please consider PASSING IT ON!.
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WakeU...@adelphia.net
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>They have all the world to go visit, and they decide to vacation in one
>of the worse cesspools and high crime rates in America, during Hurricane
>season?!
No doubt peole will reconsider their plans to "go slumming" in the
future.
tg
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> Agree with this post? Please consider PASSING IT ON!.
fuck you. We're here to debate and discuss as we see fit. We're not here to
pass on your wisdom to the rest of usenet you fucking idiot.
Oliver Costich
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
Now there's a nice balanced view of New Orleans.
I guess people should avoid the entire east coast, Gulf coast, and the
Yucutan for the six month hurricane season. And they should never
cross the street becasue the probability of getting killed doing that
is significantly higher than being stranded by a catastrophic
hurricane.
Your racial and racist comments deserve no response.
Oliver Costich
That you're a racist asshole without a shred of logic or even commone
sense.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
Fat chance of that now that the Congressional Black Caucus has jumped
in to make this a racial issue and started making accusations of
genocide. The incompetence of government is independent of race.
They'll fuck up anybody or anything.
Oliver Costich
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
Kind of like South Africa during Apartheid?
>
>If I was going to go on a hike through LA, I sure as hell wouldn't
>include parts of east LA or Watts on my path. Maybe up and down some
>beaches. There are parts of the city were white men just don't go, and
>they sure as hell don't go there at night.
>
>Tourist often don't know where these forbidden areas are. They're not
>published, because that would be racist. You find out by wispers, and
>police warnings to get the hell out of there. You find out by being
>assaulted on the street.
Or maybe you just go to a alleged shelter where everyone is desperate
and so behave badly regardless of race.
>
>>>OR perhaps you're saying that we don't know why the hell he
>>>was there at all; perhaps he was part of an advanced
>>>Australian invasion force of the Australian military, and was
>>>scouting out landing zones when the whole invasion plan went
>>>bad with the Hurricane and the discovery that the U.S. has an
>>>even worse problem than they do back home in Australia; so the
>>>invasion plan was called off.
>>
>>
>> No, I was just saying what I said.
>
>Ah yes. The old "no one knows what I said, so don't comment on what I
>said" evasion.
>
>Forgive me for assuming that there was some kind of discernable
>intelligence to your words. I'm glad you've pointed out that what you
>said is unknowable, and thus, unintelligible gibber.
We know what you're saying and it's a surprise you haven't got out the
"N" word.
Oliver Costich
Not on the scale we have, but then they don't go around invading and
fucking up third world countries on false pretenses nearly so often as
we do.
Stuart Grey
> On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:28:42 -0700, Stuart Grey
> <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
>>>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16475025%5E2703,00.html
>>>
>>>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape' Kevin Meade and D.D. McNicoll
>>>September 03, 2005 AN Australian backpacker stranded in New Orleans in
>>>the wake of Hurricane Katrina has told his parents he witnessed
>>>horrific scenes while sheltering in the city's Superdome, including
>>>murders, rapes and stabbings.
>>>
>>
>>??
>>
>>They have all the world to go visit, and they decide to vacation in one
>>of the worse cesspools and high crime rates in America, during Hurricane
>>season?!
>>
>>Oh yeah, I'd pick THAT spot.
>>
>>At least the Gernman government told their people not go to to Florida
>>because the blacks there kept car jacking and killing everyone in a
>>rental car.
>>
>
>
>
> Now there's a nice balanced view of New Orleans.
As a mater of fact, I wouldn't set foot in most of the south unless I
knew I was going to be in the wealthy areas.
I wouldn't set foot in Mexico, South America, Africa, or anywhere else
in the turd world either.
> I guess people should avoid the entire east coast, Gulf coast, and the
> Yucutan for the six month hurricane season. And they should never
> cross the street becasue the probability of getting killed doing that
> is significantly higher than being stranded by a catastrophic
> hurricane.
If you're going to go to Soddom, don't do it in fire and brimstone
season. Best just to stay the hell out.
> Your racial and racist comments deserve no response.
Just shove your head up your ass, and pretend not to notice that 99% of
the lootings and rapes are NOT being done by blacks. Your absurd posture
does nothing good to your credibility.
Stuart Grey
> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:20:47 -0700, Stuart Grey
> <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>First, this is a trival issue. Most of the time, the blacks of New
>>Orleans are under control.
>
>
> Kind of like South Africa during Apartheid?
You've got to be one of the stupidest commie bastards on the usenet.
Damned gibbering ape.
What's your problem? Are you saying that they are as undercontrol as
they ever were, with all this raping, killing and looting?
Or are you saying that the only reason why they didn't do this last
month was because of all the white racist keeping them supporessed?
Nah, you're too dumb to bother with.
tg
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because I wanted to tell the silly fuckhead what I thought of him
> It was because you wanted some
> reason, and we all know it is no reason at all, just to spew your hate
> filled post.
oh, so 'we all know it is no reason at all' do we? You must be telepathic to
know what everyone else in the ng is thinking.
if you don't like my 'hate filled post' then just ignore it. okay?
Pope Secola VI
Of course that assumes that the third world nations aren't fucked up
already.
tooly
"Stuart Grey" <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Oliver Costich wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:20:47 -0700, Stuart Grey
>> <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>First, this is a trival issue. Most of the time, the blacks of New
>>>Orleans are under control.
>>
>>
>> Kind of like South Africa during Apartheid?
>
> You've got to be one of the stupidest commie bastards on the usenet.
>
> Damned gibbering ape.
>
> What's your problem? Are you saying that they are as undercontrol as they
> ever were, with all this raping, killing and looting?
>
> Or are you saying that the only reason why they didn't do this last month
> was because of all the white racist keeping them supporessed?
>
> Nah, you're too dumb to bother with.
>
Yes, most liberal posters here are too dumb to bother with.
We have to imagine that we do not know the demographics of posters on
usenet. Add to this about 40 years of intense efforts at social engineering
and 're-enculturation' to instill 'unreal and ridiculous' notions of
diversity...well, most duller people today having minds processed through
our institutions are profoundly 'brainwashed' to think certain ways and
react at mere flagwords like dogs trained 'well'. White people = BAD,
people of color, women, all minorities = GOOD; it's about that simplistic as
to pavlovian reinforcement to promote 'behavior'. [and to provide that
social expediency to reduce and constrain white defense of their own
cultures].
But can such intense resources thrown into such mind control really change
'attitudes'. I mean, people are not stupid [most aren't...given time]. We
observe the world...and no amount of brainwashing will really obliterate
what we see as 'real' in the world. Tell us the sky is purple...and we
might be fooled for a time. But somewhere along the way, even the diehard
dullards will have to simply embrace 'reality'. New Orleans was perhaps one
of the more graphic displays of what we have to look forward to if we
continue this diversity insanity...especially and most directly by not
recognizing the volatility of African Blacks. I say this specifically as
the most problematic of all efforts to 'integrate'. Most other combinations
do not carry the grave dangers to civilization that integrating AFrican
blacks do. I am quite convinced of this; and I think most realize it deep
down but realize we are so far commited along our present path that nothing
can be done except to adapt. But who can adapt to their own demise in the
world?
As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were not
around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects were
like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect,
mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows
what all happened.
But...I've been observing the nature of this world for some years now...and
I feel I see with OPEN EYES and I'm ahead of my times [relegated by most
mainstreamers as a 'bad guy' because I circumvent my own social conditioning
to see the 'real world' and realize African Blacks are NOT us...but them
still reacting to their intense social conditioning and automatic repulsion
of anything involving racial observation]. In time, the world will not be
able to simply ignore what is happening; how civilized existence is slowly
falling into degeneration.
As whites lose control by sheer 'numbers' and become more and more the
'minority' [much as the situation at that Superdome and citywide during this
N.O. tragedy], we will see more and more how we have simply given up our
own, often very noble civility, for reason of inclusion of what is
essentially a social predator to that way of life.
John Griffin
> John Griffin wrote:
>> Stuart Grey <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>John Griffin wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stuart Grey <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tourist tells of 'murder and rape'
>>>>>>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,57
>>>>>>44 , 16475025%5E2703,00.html
Yes it sure is trivial, but "under control"? Are you saying
blacks are inherently savages? (Yeah, I know...duh. Of course
you are.)
> If I was going to go on a hike through LA, I sure as hell
> wouldn't include parts of east LA or Watts on my path. Maybe
> up and down some beaches. There are parts of the city were
> white men just don't go, and they sure as hell don't go there
> at night.
That's for sure.
> Tourist often don't know where these forbidden areas are.
> They're not published, because that would be racist. You find
> out by wispers, and police warnings to get the hell out of
> there. You find out by being assaulted on the street.
There are no forbidden areas.
>>>OR perhaps you're saying that we don't know why the hell he
>>>was there at all; perhaps he was part of an advanced
>>>Australian invasion force of the Australian military, and was
>>>scouting out landing zones when the whole invasion plan went
>>>bad with the Hurricane and the discovery that the U.S. has an
>>>even worse problem than they do back home in Australia; so
>>>the invasion plan was called off.
>>
>>
>> No, I was just saying what I said.
>
> Ah yes. The old "no one knows what I said, so don't comment on
> what I said" evasion.
<snicker> Your comprehension problem is actually getting worse.
That's remarkable. You need more chocolate in your diet. You
have my permission, and in fact my enthusiastic encouragement, to
make all the idiotic comments you want. You're funny.
> Forgive me for assuming that there was some kind of
> discernable intelligence to your words. I'm glad you've
> pointed out that what you said is unknowable, and thus,
> unintelligible gibber.
That's a hilarious inclusion in the midst of a proof that you
don't read with even ten-year-olds' level of understanding.
Stuart Grey
You make many good points. The simple truth is, the book, "The Bell
Curve" is exactly correct. Intelligence is distributed differently in
different races. And if intelligence can be so distributed, so can
personality traits as found in the Minnisota Twin study that found a
genetic link to personality.
MOST people find both of these obvious conclusions as hateful and too
ugly to be true. Yet, when did truth give a damn about what we want?
Some people cannot function in our society. When the non functioning
people are whites, it's bad enough. But there is a disproportionatly
large number of blacks who cannot cope with our culture, and the best we
can do is house them like they were housed in New Orleans, and send them
dole checks. However, their numbers will continue to increase until we
can no longer support them, then disaster.
And we see that that disaster would look like in New Orleans today,
where we could not meet their needs for less than FOUR DAYS!!
This is just one of the hells we created for ourselves because of the
liberal influence. People are not as smart as you think they are. Only a
few are ever capable of seeing out side the box that society has created
for them.
Lets Roll
Heh. My folks went to Mardi Gras several years ago. They have photographs
of the signs that were posted around New Orleans saying something to the
effect of "Please stop the murder until after Mardi Gras. It's hurting
tourism." I don't remember the exact wording, but I remember seeing the
photographs, and that was the gist of the meaning of the signs.
Perfesser White
"tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Hi Tooly,
In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we spent
weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the population.
In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at foisting change upon
the populace, and we found they were especially effective in the pliable
populations such as women and youngsters who are generally submissive to
authority.
By *forcing* people to act differently (i.e., by passing laws) than what
they *believe* (causing a cognitive dissonance, or mental
inconsistency), the pliable among us will *change their beliefs* to
conform with their actions in order to eliminate the mental dissonance.
That is, they will change their thinking to match their forced behavior
change so that they're comfortable with themselves. It's called
"dissonance theory" and it's pretty effective. That was the in
So- without the forced conversion by law (or in this situation, the
constant, steady exposure to the darkie's savagery), even the die-hard
dullards will not embrace the reality to which they are exposed, due
mainly to the brief exposure. Just look at all of the "soccer moms" who
buy into egalitarian silliness.
Because of this, I think we, as a nation, are beyond facing the race
realities evident to the objective and free-thinking.
All the best,
Perfesser White
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Stuart Grey <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
I agree that the sheeple are too easily led down the path of
exploitation. Regretfully, most of the U.S. population are sheeple.
Perfesser White
Tiny Human Ferret
<snips>
> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were not
> around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects were
> like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect,
> mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
> masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
> involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows
> what all happened.
Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them
to yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
nam primi in omnibus proeliis oculi vincuntur.
tooly
"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
> tooly wrote:
>
> <snips>
>
>> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were
>> not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal
>> aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was
>> it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority
>> in the refuge masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that
>> every rape involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be
>> wrong; who knows what all happened.
>
> Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
> brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
> doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>
> Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them to
> yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>
>
I make no allegation...but only want to know the 'truth'.
I'd like to know about the rapes in particular.
I stand by what I said; I would wager that "nearly" [probably not all,
always an outlier here and there] every rape involved black men on white
women (I speaking about in the superdome). And there were plenty of white
women I saw going into the superdome before the hurricane hit...though small
in comparison to the overall numbers of course.
Tell me. If we found out the numbers and they turned out to be nearly all
black on white rapes, would this convince you of anything? Would it help
you to know the societal statistics involving black men raping white women
compared to white men raping black women?
Have you heard or read about cognitive dissonance? I was told about it in
another thread...why people observe reality...but can't 'see it'...that it
creates too much conflict with their social conditioning (so they re-invent
the reality to fit their social conditioning etc). You're a bright guy in
most other respects. But I think you may be a victim of this 'cognitive
dissonance'.
BTW. It would be so so so...profoundly so much easier for me just to cave
and see as you do...that all is hunky dory in all this diversity
multicultural integration...especially with african blacks. I believe
profoundly in my God...and I have put myself naked before my creator in my
most inner moments of soul searching...trying to 'see' as you do [and as the
mainstream at large]. But...before my creator I can be nothing but HONEST
and naked...totally bared of all feeling, all insight as I view the world
and creation...
And as I have stood before my maker [in my own personal way], I could not
come to exist in a LIE. And I tell you now...you and this society exists,
at this juncture in time...in a LIE.
Pope Secola VI
> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
> news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>
>>tooly wrote:
>>
>><snips>
>>
>>>As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were
>>>not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal
>>>aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was
>>>it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority
>>>in the refuge masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that
>>>every rape involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be
>>>wrong; who knows what all happened.
>>
>>Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>>brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>>doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>
>>Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them to
>>yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>>
is not racist it's a statement of fact. A fact that you choose not to
deal with by calling every one who reports it a racist.
Perfesser White
"tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Here are a few concise summaries on cognitive dissonance theory:
http://tip.psychology.org/festinge.html
http://www.colorado.edu/communication/meta-discourses/Theory/dissonance/s
ld002.htm
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~bfmalle/sp/L7.html
http://www.ithaca.edu/faculty/stephens/cdback.html
FYI,
Perfesser White
>
> BTW. It would be so so so...profoundly so much easier for me just to cave
> and see as you do...that all is hunky dory in all this diversity
> multicultural integration...especially with african blacks. I believe
> profoundly in my God...and I have put myself naked before my creator in my
> most inner moments of soul searching...trying to 'see' as you do [and as the
> mainstream at large]. But...before my creator I can be nothing but HONEST
> and naked...totally bared of all feeling, all insight as I view the world
> and creation...
>
> And as I have stood before my maker [in my own personal way], I could not
> come to exist in a LIE. And I tell you now...you and this society exists,
> at this juncture in time...in a LIE.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Tiny Human Ferret
> tooly wrote:
>
>> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>> news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>>
>>> tooly wrote:
>>>
>>> <snips>
>>>
>>>> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities
>>>> were not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the
>>>> criminal aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and
>>>> pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a
>>>> profoundly white minority in the refuge masses? Especically the
>>>> rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape involved black males
>>>> ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows what all
>>>> happened.
>>>
>>>
>>> Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>>> brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I
>>> really doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>>
>>> Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep
>>> them to yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>>>
> Why the UseNet is the last bastion free Speech. And Black raping whites
> is not racist it's a statement of fact.
Prove it.
PROVE that all of the rapes in the Superdome were, as 'tooly' suggests,
all black men raping white women. Prove that _any_ of those rapes were
black men raping white women.
> A fact that you choose not to
> deal with by calling every one who reports it a racist.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUCH REPORTS.
There has been nothing but unsupported speculation.
Oliver Costich
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>Oliver Costich wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:20:47 -0700, Stuart Grey
>> <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>First, this is a trival issue. Most of the time, the blacks of New
>>>Orleans are under control.
>>
>>
>> Kind of like South Africa during Apartheid?
>
>You've got to be one of the stupidest commie bastards on the usenet.
I guess "commie bastrad" means a conservative who is NOT a racist.
>
>Damned gibbering ape.
>
>What's your problem? Are you saying that they are as undercontrol as
>they ever were, with all this raping, killing and looting?
>
>Or are you saying that the only reason why they didn't do this last
>month was because of all the white racist keeping them supporessed?
>
>Nah, you're too dumb to bother with.
Feel free not to, especially since all you've got is racist drivel.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
>
>"Stuart Grey" <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:_vidnYfKvqO...@comcast.com...
>> Oliver Costich wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:20:47 -0700, Stuart Grey
>>> <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>First, this is a trival issue. Most of the time, the blacks of New
>>>>Orleans are under control.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind of like South Africa during Apartheid?
>>
>> You've got to be one of the stupidest commie bastards on the usenet.
>>
>> Damned gibbering ape.
>>
>> What's your problem? Are you saying that they are as undercontrol as they
>> ever were, with all this raping, killing and looting?
>>
>> Or are you saying that the only reason why they didn't do this last month
>> was because of all the white racist keeping them supporessed?
>>
>> Nah, you're too dumb to bother with.
>>
>
>Yes, most liberal posters here are too dumb to bother with.
I've now been called a racist by the pro immigration folks and a dumb
commie bastard by the racists. LOL.
Oliver Costich
The Bell Curve has been discredited so many times that you must have
the last copy. The genetic links to personality that were found were
hardly a propensity to loot and riot.
>MOST people find both of these obvious conclusions as hateful and too
>ugly to be true. Yet, when did truth give a damn about what we want?
Almost no people find them to explain what you claim that they do.
Oliver Costich
<perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
You'd have to live in a cave to disagree with that.
Oliver Costich
<perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
The purpose of using law to force equal rights was to change behavior
not belief.
Oliver Costich
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>tooly wrote:
>
><snips>
>
>> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were not
>> around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects were
>> like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect,
>> mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
>> masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
>> involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows
>> what all happened.
Since you don't know what happened. maybe you shoul STFU. Most victims
of black crime are black.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
>
>"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>> tooly wrote:
>>
>> <snips>
>>
>>> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were
>>> not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal
>>> aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was
>>> it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority
>>> in the refuge masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that
>>> every rape involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be
>>> wrong; who knows what all happened.
>>
>> Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>> brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>> doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>
>> Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them to
>> yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>>
>>
>
>I make no allegation...but only want to know the 'truth'.
>I'd like to know about the rapes in particular.
You don't want the truth. You want some confirmation of your racist
bullshit.
>
>I stand by what I said; I would wager that "nearly" [probably not all,
>always an outlier here and there] every rape involved black men on white
>women (I speaking about in the superdome). And there were plenty of white
>women I saw going into the superdome before the hurricane hit...though small
>in comparison to the overall numbers of course.
More likely, given the breakdown of the population of the Superdome,
the rapes were black on black. Without dat, you have no basis for your
supposition.
>
>Tell me. If we found out the numbers and they turned out to be nearly all
>black on white rapes, would this convince you of anything? Would it help
>you to know the societal statistics involving black men raping white women
>compared to white men raping black women?
And how about throwing in black men raping black women and white men
raping white women so you could do a non racist analysis
Oliver Costich
<rod...@gophe-hole.net> wrote:
>tooly wrote:
>> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>> news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>>
>>>tooly wrote:
>>>
>>><snips>
>>>
>>>>As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were
>>>>not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal
>>>>aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was
>>>>it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority
>>>>in the refuge masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that
>>>>every rape involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be
>>>>wrong; who knows what all happened.
>>>
>>>Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>>>brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>>>doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>>
>>>Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them to
>>>yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>>>
>Why the UseNet is the last bastion free Speech. And Black raping whites
>is not racist it's a statement of fact. A fact that you choose not to
>deal with by calling every one who reports it a racist.
It's also a fact that whites rape balcks and whites rape whites and
blacks rape blacks. Pickin out one of four facts as the only thing
worth mentioning does make you a racist.
Oliver Costich
<perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
Yawn. SO what? Nice theory, but your feeble attempts to use it to
bolster your racist agenda is ludicrous
Oliver Costich
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
The bad behavior is from people who are in a very desparate and
atypical situation. You think if it was a bunch of crackers they's all
just smaile and share?
To conclude that the behavior people in such circumstances is racially
programmed is just too stupid to consider.
>
Oliver Costich
I've been to New Orleans several times and only been murdered once.
Oliver Costich
Official Bush Policy: No country is so fucked up that we can't fuck it
up some more.
Perfesser White
Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
What is the "racist agenda" of cognitive dissonance? Go back to sleep.
Perfesser White
Perfesser White
Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
You're half-way to understanding what I wrote, but do keep trying to
think things through and you may have that eureka moment.
Perfesser White
Stuart Grey
> Hi Tooly,
> In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we spent
> weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the population.
> In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at foisting change upon
> the populace, and we found they were especially effective in the pliable
> populations such as women and youngsters who are generally submissive to
> authority.
Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
lowered to 18 from 21.
The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that our
government foists upon us today.
Perfesser White
Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
Be careful not to confuse "contended" with "discredited".
> The genetic links to personality that were found were
> hardly a propensity to loot and riot.
The genetics involved have to do with intelligence, temperament, and
self-control.
>
>
> >MOST people find both of these obvious conclusions as hateful and too
> >ugly to be true. Yet, when did truth give a damn about what we want?
>
> Almost no people find them to explain what you claim that they do.
In other words, you don't agree.
Perfesser White
>
>
> >
> >Some people cannot function in our society. When the non functioning
> >people are whites, it's bad enough. But there is a disproportionatly
> >large number of blacks who cannot cope with our culture, and the best we
> >can do is house them like they were housed in New Orleans, and send them
> >dole checks. However, their numbers will continue to increase until we
> >can no longer support them, then disaster.
> >
> >And we see that that disaster would look like in New Orleans today,
> >where we could not meet their needs for less than FOUR DAYS!!
> >
> >This is just one of the hells we created for ourselves because of the
> >liberal influence. People are not as smart as you think they are. Only a
> >few are ever capable of seeing out side the box that society has created
> > for them.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Stuart Grey
You'd also need to know the demographics of the disaster area at the
time of the rapes.
If it's 5% white and 95% blacks, and the women raped were greater than
5% white, if the data was accurate enough, you might have a case for it
being non random.
The problem with this discusion is that you are drawing on your
inductive logic based on your past experiences, which is difficult to
share and not a scientific sample. Perhaps your past experiences were
colored by chance. There IS a lot of black on black crime out there.
Perhaps you are drawing on other statistics that show that whites are
often a target of blacks for crime, and extrapolating your conclusion to
the present situation. That, too, would be a valid argument.
On the other hand, Mr. Ferret doesn't seem capable of even accepting the
premise for discussion. Like most PC brainwashed people, he can't even
tolerate the question being asked without an irrelevant argumentum ad
hominem rebuttal. Sadly, much of the country is as solidly PC
brainwashed as Mr. Ferret, and they are incapable of objectivity.
> Have you heard or read about cognitive dissonance? I was told about it in
> another thread...why people observe reality...but can't 'see it'...that it
> creates too much conflict with their social conditioning (so they re-invent
> the reality to fit their social conditioning etc). You're a bright guy in
> most other respects. But I think you may be a victim of this 'cognitive
> dissonance'.
Yes. Just another way that people believe what they want to believe,
even if it conflicts with reality.
> BTW. It would be so so so...profoundly so much easier for me just to cave
> and see as you do...that all is hunky dory in all this diversity
> multicultural integration...especially with african blacks. I believe
> profoundly in my God...and I have put myself naked before my creator in my
> most inner moments of soul searching...trying to 'see' as you do [and as the
> mainstream at large]. But...before my creator I can be nothing but HONEST
> and naked...totally bared of all feeling, all insight as I view the world
> and creation...
Well, you know, I find a belief in god to be yet another example of
believing what you want to believe. I have only found anecdotal,
un-reproduceable evidence of something that may be related to God.
If there is a God, he doesn't want to be well known.
If God created the Universe, then the Universe is God's word and I can
understand the word of God by studying the universe with a completely
open and objective mind. If no god, then I've advanced the cause of
improving the human condition by understanding the natural world.
:-)
Perfesser White
Stuart Grey <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> Perfesser White wrote:
>
> > Hi Tooly,
> > In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we spent
> > weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the population.
> > In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at foisting change upon
> > the populace, and we found they were especially effective in the pliable
> > populations such as women and youngsters who are generally submissive to
> > authority.
>
> Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
> lowered to 18 from 21.
>
> The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
>
> Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
I can't say for a fact that dissonance theory was the logic behind the
"Civil Rights" laws, i.e., that there was a cabal against Whites with
nefarious intentions. I believe the intention was so see "minorities"
treated equally as far as voting, education, opportunity, etc. is
concerned- that inclusiveness thing. The change of attitude for the
majority population may well be an unintentional "benefit" for the
egalitarians.
But then again, it could have been an attempt at massive mind control.
Bear in mind that during the late 1950's and into the 1960's, mind
control and The Cold War were topics of intense research. Recall MK
Ultra.
Regards,
Perfesser White
>
> I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that our
> government foists upon us today.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Tiny Human Ferret
This is nuts. If you have ever run up against a hard-headed woman,
you'll think back and realize that you had run up against the least
submissive human being there can be.
Also, back when the voting age was lowered to 18, that was to stave off
the likelihood of open revolution amongst an extrememly non-submissive
and in fact outright rebellious youth-movement who was tired of getting
drafted and shipped out to be cannon-fodder and was preferring to learn
to make firebombs and take over university campi.
Is revisionism and misinterpretation the only thing you guys know?
Tiny Human Ferret
Sorry, nice attempt to segue away in the conversational thread entirely
quoted, above.
Change the subject attempt noted. But our memories are good and besides,
you leave a trail of text like a slug on a tomato.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
nam primi in omnibus proeliis oculi vincuntur.
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
Tiny Human Ferret
Not on his agenda.
>
>>Have you heard or read about cognitive dissonance? I was told about it in
>>another thread...why people observe reality...but can't 'see it'...that it
>>creates too much conflict with their social conditioning (so they re-invent
>>the reality to fit their social conditioning etc). You're a bright guy in
>>most other respects. But I think you may be a victim of this 'cognitive
>>dissonance'.
>>
>>BTW. It would be so so so...profoundly so much easier for me just to cave
>>and see as you do...that all is hunky dory in all this diversity
>>multicultural integration...especially with african blacks. I believe
>>profoundly in my God...and I have put myself naked before my creator in my
>>most inner moments of soul searching...trying to 'see' as you do [and as the
>>mainstream at large]. But...before my creator I can be nothing but HONEST
>>and naked...totally bared of all feeling, all insight as I view the world
>>and creation...
>>
>>And as I have stood before my maker [in my own personal way], I could not
>>come to exist in a LIE. And I tell you now...you and this society exists,
>>at this juncture in time...in a LIE.
>>
>
>
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
nam primi in omnibus proeliis oculi vincuntur.
Tiny Human Ferret
Actually, you don't need a damn thing to point out that the expectation
expressed was blatantly racist.
>
> If it's 5% white and 95% blacks, and the women raped were greater than
> 5% white, if the data was accurate enough, you might have a case for it
> being non random.
You're actually going to try to change the subject into a discussion of
statistical analysis?! Astonishing.
>
> The problem with this discusion is that you are drawing on your
> inductive logic based on your past experiences, which is difficult to
> share and not a scientific sample.
No, you idiot, quit trying to dodge so fast you're making yourself dizzy.
We're drawing on tooly out and out saying that he expects that all of
the rapes were of white women by not just black men, but gangs of black
men. Regardless of actual incidence, his expressed expectation is racist.
> Perhaps your past experiences were
> colored by chance. There IS a lot of black on black crime out there.
> Perhaps you are drawing on other statistics that show that whites are
> often a target of blacks for crime, and extrapolating your conclusion to
> the present situation. That, too, would be a valid argument.
>
> On the other hand, Mr. Ferret doesn't seem capable of even accepting the
> premise for discussion.
Go right to hell. That isn't the premise under discussion. The FACT
under discussion is that 'tooly' made that statement and now everyone is
trying to make out as if that was not racist, and even if it was racist,
that it wasn't bad.
It was racist, and it was bad.
> Like most PC brainwashed people,
If you think I am either PC or brainwashed, you have not been paying
attention for very long.
> he can't even
> tolerate the question being asked
There was no question asked. There was a statement of expectations, and
those expectations were, indeed, lurid racist fantasies.
> without an irrelevant argumentum ad
> hominem rebuttal.
Demonstrate the irrelevancy of me calling racism what it is, which is
racism. There isn't any other discussion here, other than the aftermath
of Hurricane Katrina. We aren't here for you to turn it into your bully
pulpit for distracting people into a hypnotic state so you can pump them
full of racist ideas.
> Sadly, much of the country is as solidly PC
> brainwashed as Mr. Ferret, and they are incapable of objectivity.
Objectivity for outright racism, and lurid racist rape fantasies at that?
Yeah, right.
>
>> Have you heard or read about cognitive dissonance? I was told about
>> it in another thread...why people observe reality...but can't 'see
>> it'...that it creates too much conflict with their social conditioning
>> (so they re-invent the reality to fit their social conditioning etc).
>> You're a bright guy in most other respects. But I think you may be a
>> victim of this 'cognitive dissonance'.
>
>
> Yes. Just another way that people believe what they want to believe,
> even if it conflicts with reality.
You have not presented any reality. you have presented fatuous bloviation.
Tiny Human Ferret
> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:20:06 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
> <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>
>
>>tooly wrote:
>>
>><snips>
>>
>>>As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were not
>>>around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects were
>>>like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect,
>>>mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
>>>masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
>>>involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows
>>>what all happened.
>
>
> Since you don't know what happened. maybe you shoul STFU. Most victims
> of black crime are black.
Um, Oliver, check your attributions. I didn't make that bizarre and
unfounded allegation.
>
>>Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>>brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>>doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>
>>Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them
>>to yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>
>
Stuart Grey
> Stuart Grey wrote:
>
>> Perfesser White wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tooly,
>>> In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we
>>> spent weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the
>>> population. In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at
>>> foisting change upon the populace, and we found they were especially
>>> effective in the pliable populations such as women and youngsters who
>>> are generally submissive to authority.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
>> lowered to 18 from 21.
>>
>> The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
>>
>> Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
>>
>> I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that our
>> government foists upon us today.
>
>
> This is nuts. If you have ever run up against a hard-headed woman,
> you'll think back and realize that you had run up against the least
> submissive human being there can be.
Someone else cites a study, and you offer your opinion, which is mostly
a joke.
Women tend to have a more nurturing nature than men. (go figure why...)
They tend to vote for a more nurturing government. (Read the polls)
Pretty much affirms what I said.
> Also, back when the voting age was lowered to 18, that was to stave off
> the likelihood of open revolution amongst an extrememly non-submissive
> and in fact outright rebellious youth-movement who was tired of getting
> drafted and shipped out to be cannon-fodder and was preferring to learn
> to make firebombs and take over university campi.
The answer, of course, is to not force innocent people into involuntary
servitude.
> Is revisionism and misinterpretation the only thing you guys know?
Do you always gibber?
Stuart Grey
> Stuart Grey wrote:
>
>> tooly wrote:
>>
>>> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in
>>> message news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
< snip >
>>> Tell me. If we found out the numbers and they turned out to be
>>> nearly all black on white rapes, would this convince you of
>>> anything? Would it help you to know the societal statistics
>>> involving black men raping white women compared to white men raping
>>> black women?
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd also need to know the demographics of the disaster area at the
>> time of the rapes.
>
>
> Actually, you don't need a damn thing to point out that the expectation
> expressed was blatantly racist.
Yes,yes. We've aleardy discussed how you low IQ PC brainwashed idiots
can't tolerate the concept of discussing race, without screaming racist.
We don't need you to demonstrate the effectiveness of that PC
brainwashing of yours.
>> If it's 5% white and 95% blacks, and the women raped were greater than
>> 5% white, if the data was accurate enough, you might have a case for
>> it being non random.
>
>
> You're actually going to try to change the subject into a discussion of
> statistical analysis?! Astonishi
The scientific study of such effects requires the use of statistics.
< snip ignorant prattle of a brain dead PC leftist >
I just don't care what you have to say. You've not shown an ability to
say anything intelligent.
Perfesser White
Yo, Ferret, wassup muh man! I knew you'd chime in here at me before too
long.
You didn't address my question. What is "racist" about discussing
dissonance theory? I was discussing how its application has brainwashed
(for lack of a better term) the pliable populace on one particular
social issue. Some silly person objected to my citing this psychological
phenomenon and its effects as bolstering a "racist agenda". What
foolishness. It is what it is and it does what it does. Sorry if you
guys don't like it.
My beliefs on race, etc are well known to anyone who's read my posts,
but that's not what was being discussed.
El Perfessorio
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>> Stuart Grey wrote:
>>
>>> Perfesser White wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tooly,
>>>> In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we
>>>> spent weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the
>>>> population. In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at
>>>> foisting change upon the populace, and we found they were especially
>>>> effective in the pliable populations such as women and youngsters
>>>> who are generally submissive to authority.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
>>> lowered to 18 from 21.
>>>
>>> The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
>>>
>>> Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that
>>> our government foists upon us today.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is nuts. If you have ever run up against a hard-headed woman,
>> you'll think back and realize that you had run up against the least
>> submissive human being there can be.
>
>
> Someone else cites a study, and you offer your opinion, which is mostly
> a joke.
No study was cited. An opinion was ventured, regarding unspecified
course material in a course we don't even know this aliased individual
actually took, at a college which isn't named.
"Cites a study", my ass.
>
> Women tend to have a more nurturing nature than men. (go figure why...)
You've never met the women in my family. The phrase "how the West was
won" comes to mind when you try to describe the nicest of them.
> They tend to vote for a more nurturing government. (Read the polls)
Tell that to Michelle Malkin.
> Pretty much affirms what I said.
>
>> Also, back when the voting age was lowered to 18, that was to stave
>> off the likelihood of open revolution amongst an extrememly
>> non-submissive and in fact outright rebellious youth-movement who was
>> tired of getting drafted and shipped out to be cannon-fodder and was
>> preferring to learn to make firebombs and take over university campi.
>
>
> The answer, of course, is to not force innocent people into involuntary
> servitude.
>
>> Is revisionism and misinterpretation the only thing you guys know?
>
>
> Do you always gibber?
I never gibber. I'm one of the clearest people on UseNet as you may
discover if you continue with sophomorism.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
Tiny Human Ferret
you're thus claiming that failure to adopt racialist views thus proves
one is brainwashed; ergo, to prove one isn't brainwashed, one must adopt
or at least express racialist views. This would be _you_ using a
cognitive dissonance of discussing cognitive dissonance as a tool to
promote adoption of or conformance to your views. No thanks. Nice try,
though.
Some silly person objected to my citing this psychological
> phenomenon and its effects as bolstering a "racist agenda". What
> foolishness. It is what it is and it does what it does. Sorry if you
> guys don't like it.
> My beliefs on race, etc are well known to anyone who's read my posts,
> but that's not what was being discussed.
Actually, that's what you're trying to toss out as a distraction.
Further, it's disingenious for either you or 'tooly' to claim that I am
a victim of cognitive dissonance, which would mean that I've changed my
views to adapt to what PC attempts to enforce. I've had roughly the same
position since before 'tooly' ever surfaced under his present alias.
Being affected by cognitive dissonance would mean that I had bowed to
the pressure of such as himself, yourself, and rather more than a few
others here, and had adopted a pro-white anti-nonwhite political
stance... which I have yet to do.
Yet I notice that a lot of other people are starting to conform to the
alternative PC (for genuine racialists) that you and your ilk spin out.
That they, who clearly have conformed to the Big Lie Repeated Often
method, can better be said to have succumbed than I have.
Cognitive Dissonance my ass. I am and have been a Surrealist for quite
some time now. Cognitive Dissonance is one of my tools and it's a poor
carpenter who gets bit by his own saw.
Now go teach your gramma to suck eggs. Maybe soak your head while you're
at it.
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>> Stuart Grey wrote:
>>
>>> tooly wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in
>>>> message news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>
>
> < snip >
>
>>>> Tell me. If we found out the numbers and they turned out to be
>>>> nearly all black on white rapes, would this convince you of
>>>> anything? Would it help you to know the societal statistics
>>>> involving black men raping white women compared to white men raping
>>>> black women?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd also need to know the demographics of the disaster area at the
>>> time of the rapes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, you don't need a damn thing to point out that the
>> expectation expressed was blatantly racist.
>
>
> Yes,yes. We've aleardy discussed how you low IQ PC brainwashed idiots
> can't tolerate the concept of discussing race, without screaming racist.
Why exactly do I need to discuss race? It's a dead issue so far as I am
concerned. The only time I care about it is when assholes like you stick
into my face something on which I've long since decided: "if race
considerations don't turn people against me, I will not turn race
considerations against them". People treat me like I'm a person, and I
treat them like they're people. Fourteenth goddamn Amendment, asshole.
Now go ahead and argue against the US Constituion, as amended, and
everyone will know for what you stand: sedition.
tooly
"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ic9mh1hob4emuthie...@4ax.com...
So? I could be the Devil himself...but it doesn't change the truth? That
is a horrible fallacy to discredit truth by simply discarding the messenger
with some flagword. Think man...just use your head and THINK!!! But thanks
anyway. I know it is hard to see through one's social conditioning. No one
wants to think of themselves as 'evil'...but I say to you now, a higher
virture exists for any man willing to stand alone, miscast as outcast...if
only they stand for what they see as TRUTH.
Otherwise, we are just buffalo following in the herds.
If you must crucify ME...but whatever you do...see TRUTH.
Perfesser White
Um, no, that's not exactly what I'm "claiming". There have been studies
done showing that children as young as 4 or 5 y.o. develop a group
identity, identifying those who are like them and those who aren't.
Having a group identity is a pretty primal or innate thing. When
socialization (or even the law) at some point forces one to alter their
behavior and consequently their instinctive, most basic beliefs, you see
cognitive dissonance at work, and it is that person who has been
brainwashed.
> ergo, to prove one isn't brainwashed, one must adopt
> or at least express racialist views.
LOL, now don't go getting hysterical on us, Ferret. That is not what I
said.
> This would be _you_ using a
> cognitive dissonance of discussing cognitive dissonance as a tool to
> promote adoption of or conformance to your views. No thanks. Nice try,
> though.
>
> Some silly person objected to my citing this psychological
> > phenomenon and its effects as bolstering a "racist agenda". What
> > foolishness. It is what it is and it does what it does. Sorry if you
> > guys don't like it.
> > My beliefs on race, etc are well known to anyone who's read my posts,
> > but that's not what was being discussed.
>
> Actually, that's what you're trying to toss out as a distraction.
What's the distraction? Let's look at the earlier posts (summarizing):
- Tooly states that some people ignore either facts or reality that
doesn't conform to their social conditioning, nothing unusual about that
- In another thread, I pointed to cognitive dissonance as a possible
cause of that, citing civil rights laws and the (intended or unintended)
consequences of those laws as an example of how dissonance theory works,
stating that is one way to change minds
- some mental lightweight jumps in crying that I'm trying to "bolster
(my) racist agenda" using psychology. What I did was cite one way social
scientists work to change attitudes, and dissonance theory is one of
those. Psychology is the study of behavior, and social psychologists
study social issues and behaviors and ways to deal with them, among
other things.
-you jump in telling me that I'm trying to avoid something, I'm not sure
what- my own racial beliefs? Is that it? It still isn't very clear what
you're protesting about.
>
> Further, it's disingenious for either you or 'tooly' to claim that I am
> a victim of cognitive dissonance,
I didn't say anything even remotely like that.
> which would mean that I've changed my
> views to adapt to what PC attempts to enforce. I've had roughly the same
> position since before 'tooly' ever surfaced under his present alias.
> Being affected by cognitive dissonance would mean that I had bowed to
> the pressure of such as himself, yourself, and rather more than a few
> others here, and had adopted a pro-white anti-nonwhite political
> stance... which I have yet to do.
I know. We've debated racial politics before. You are a non-racial
person, Ferret, and that's fine- for you.
>
> Yet I notice that a lot of other people are starting to conform to the
> alternative PC (for genuine racialists) that you and your ilk spin out.
> That they, who clearly have conformed to the Big Lie Repeated Often
> method, can better be said to have succumbed than I have.
Race is a reality to many people, Ferret. Ask the NAACP for guidance.
>
> Cognitive Dissonance my ass. I am and have been a Surrealist
A what? What is that?
> for quite
> some time now. Cognitive Dissonance is one of my tools and it's a poor
> carpenter who gets bit by his own saw.
>
> Now go teach your gramma to suck eggs. Maybe soak your head while you're
> at it.
Oh well... ya can't please everyone all of the time. :~)
Perfesser White
Perfesser White
Well, Ferret- what about those anchor babies dropped here? Should they
be U.S. citizens?
tooly
NO...cognitive dissonance has only to do with rearranging perception to what
is REAL to erase inner conflict. Expensive shoes that hurt...but I spent
all the money, therefore, I fool myself to erase 'perception' that they
hurt. Result is erasure of conflict of a bad purchase [which is a sunk cost
BTW...non retrievable].
As it relates to racial questions, I argue AFrican black behavior is plain
and apparent...easily understood by simple statistics...numbers that can't
be "disproved". But also in observant qualitative behaviors that we should
all understand by instinct even more. N.O. was as plain as we'll as we'll
ever see...but people will bend over backwards to explain it away; not see
it; re-arrange the reality by saying it was not what we saw...but something
different; all about classism, not race for example.
I have no agenda. I'm just going crazy existing in a society that lives
under lies though; apparent truths twisted so far out of shape in an effort
to accomodate and excuse african blacks that now we actually 'adapt' toward
their behaviors rather than the opposite. We will hear nothing but excuses
for what took place in N.O. for example from here on out...erasing the
discomfort society feels realizing the uncivil potentials we have released
through integration [perhaps another sunk cost BTW]. I argue that we have
essentially signed a death warrant upon civilization itself in the long run
[with integration]...not as an order [that too might decline], but as a
'civility'. I have no answers, but I know the first step is to wake up from
this lie we are living under now [about diversity and
multiculturism...especially in dealing with AFrican Blacks]. Our own time
is running out you know.
If I must be painted with the imagery of being some bad guy...then so be it.
But I can only argue as my mind sees; as my heart directs. TO do otherwise
would mean myself living a LIE.
But cognitive dissonance itself is an interesting subject that explains a
lot of things around us and has nothing in itself to do with racial
questions. I've seen politicians throw good money after bad for example,
unwilling to recognize the mistakes of the original budget expenditures...a
cognitive dissonance toward their own failures. It's a very interesting
concept in itself and can explain a lot of the insanity we witness all
around us everyday.
Just continue to search for truth...critique yourself. Wading through our
social conditioning and new world enculturation is not an easy thing to do.
I know for myself, as I have mentioned, it ultimately came to almost as if I
was embracing the devil himself...as a conceptual force, something very real
to me [spiritually speaking, not concrete]. After all...'racism' per
se...wasn't that what Hitler was all about? Hadn't I been raised to discard
all matters of racism as 'wrong' thinking from birth? Yes...like yourselves
I'm sure...but the TRUTH stood apparent, and everytime I questioned, I just
couldn't keep fooling myself forever and ever. I realized, in time...I was
not a bad guy, but quite the opposite; someone who felt very responsible;
enough so I was willing to take on the dark coat of 'badness' for simply
aspiring toward what I also saw as true. TRUTH will set you free; and it
does not make you 'evil' but opens your eyes to your deeper responsible
nature as a man. It is just your social conditioning that pushes you to
repel certain ideas...this cognitive dissonance perhaps. Anyway...just keep
thinking, questioning...pursuing TRUTH. See what is REAL.
Alcibiades
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>tooly wrote:
>
><snips>
>
>> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were not
>> around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects were
>> like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect,
>> mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
>> masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
>> involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows
>> what all happened.
>
>Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>
>Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them
>to yourself, at least try to keep 'em of of UseNet.
Do you respect Steve Sailer's views? I do, he's da man on
race-related study. In several years of reading him, I've never seen
him misanalyze anything, anything at all. He is routinely ahead of
everyone, and often quoted by the minority of thinking people in the
MSM.
Some things of interest from his blog:
Bad news and good news coming from small towns: We've been hearing for
several days that the plight of the big city blacks in New Orleans
shows how racist America is, but it's starting to look like small town
whites may have been hit harder by the storm, but nobody started to
notice until today.
Almost forgotten in the hubbub over New Orleans is the fate of small
town folks in the Delta. Here's the LA Times reportf about Chalmette,
LA, south of New Orleans. It looks, from this one data point, like
nature did much worse in some places outside New Orleans, but humanity
did better:
Stranded in New Orleans' Shadow
By Ellen Barry, Times Staff Writer
CHALMETTE, La. - Chalmette has been cut off from the world for six
days... The losses were just coming into focus Saturday. A storm surge
estimated at 25 feet had receded, leaving yellowish watermarks along
the retail strip, but parts of the city were under an expanse of
water, with a sheen of oil and a sickly sweet smell. On the front of
houses, search-and rescue teams had spray-painted the numbers of dead
found inside. One house had a blue six.
The water rose 10 feet in 10 minutes on the morning of the storm,
residents said, so fast you could watch a wall of water advancing down
residential streets. Sheriff Jack Stephens would not estimate a death
toll, but spoke of several large groups of people who had died
together.
Thirty-one elderly residents of a nursing home died "in their sleep"
when their facility was flooded, he said. And in a subdivision, rescue
personnel had found the bodies of 21 people who had tied themselves
together, he said, probably in an attempt to evacuate. The scenes were
so disturbing that 30 of his deputies could no longer work because of
fatigue and emotional overload, Stephens said.
The federal response, he said, has been "woefully inadequate." ...
Over the next two days, she and Lobre played endless games of Yahtzee
as they waited for the water to go down. It didn't. What happened
instead was this: Boats began to pass under their window, driven by
local people offering to throw necessities up to them. Batteries
sailed up and so did cigarettes.
"It was like a Mardi Gras parade, but instead of beads, it was food,
and lighters, and dry towels," Lobre said.
On the third day, the two hitched a ride on a boat to Chalmette High
School, which had been made into a shelter. A woman bore a child there
-- named Katrina -- and dead bodies were stored behind a stage, where
the children couldn't see them.
Michael Couture, 31, is an avid fan of the reality show "Survivor,"
and always thought he would be good at it. What happened over six
days, he said, was a real-life version: For the first few days, most
of the stranded people focused on themselves. But then a community of
interests developed. People raided local stores and distributed what
they found.
Bruce Velez, a construction worker, made his way to houses all over
the city; among the people he rescued was an elderly woman who had
climbed on top of her refrigerator to escape the rising water.
Larry Strahub spent much of the week with 17 strangers in an apartment
building. Personalities clashed at times, he said. But before he left
-- he paddled 15 miles to find help on Saturday -- they planned a
reunion.
Being one of those evil iSteve.com readers, you're probably wondering
if the demographics of Chalmette had anything to do with how much
better the local survivors self-organized for mutual aid than did the
New Orleans survivors. Well, here's Chalmette's population:
White Non-Hispanic: 89.2%
Hispanic: 4.8%
Black: 2.4%
--------
Anarchy in the Kobe - not. Over on GNXP, commenter Neandertal quotes
from NYT columnist Nicholas Kristof's book Thunder From the East about
the Kobe earthquake in Japan. By the way, the governmental response
was probably even worse than in New Orleans:
Just days after we moved to Tokyo in 1995, our son Geoffrey, then a
baby, roused Sheryl for a 5:30 a.m. feeding. A few minutes later our
bed began to shake. "Wake up, Nick!" Sheryl urged me with a poke.
"It's an earthquake!" I grunted and, in an effort to reassure the
household, kept sleeping. But it turned out to be the great earthquake
that devastated the the port city of Kobe and killed 5,200 people. A
modern city was reduced to rubble, and for the next few days ordinary
middle-class families were thrown back virtually to the stone age,
struggling to find water, food, toilets, and shelter. Homes and shops
were abandoned, of course, and in America or Europe the result would
have been widespread looting, as well as desperate fighting for water,
food, and blankets.
Instead, the people of Kobe were majestic in their suffering. They
lined up for water and other supplies, never jostling, and nobody
climbed through the shattered store windows to help themselves. Even
the yakuza, the Japanese gangsters, suspended their criminal behavior
and tried to improve their image by trucking food to the hardest-hit
areas to give it away to the newly homeless.
I was fascinated by these displays of public honesty, and so I kept
searching for a case of theft or looting. Finally, I was thrilled to
find one. Two young men had entered a shattered convenience store,
picked up some food from the floor, and run out. Rumors of this crime
spread around the town, and finally I was able to find the store and
its owner. "Of course, we expect this kind of looting if there is an
earthquake in Los Angeles," I noted triumphantly, fishing for a good
quote, "but were you shocked that your fellow Japanese would take
advantage of the chaos to do such a thing?"
The shop owner looked puzzled. "who said anything about Japanese?" he
asked me politely. "The thieves weren't Japanese. They were
foreigners. Iranians, it looked like."
He was right, it turned out...
-----------
Oliver Costich
<perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
Along with everyone else including most researchers in thsi field.
Oliver Costich
Racist, now genderist. What other nastiness is in your bigotted mind?
Oliver Costich
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>> Stuart Grey wrote:
>>
>>> Perfesser White wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tooly,
>>>> In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we
>>>> spent weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the
>>>> population. In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at
>>>> foisting change upon the populace, and we found they were especially
>>>> effective in the pliable populations such as women and youngsters who
>>>> are generally submissive to authority.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
>>> lowered to 18 from 21.
>>>
>>> The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
>>>
>>> Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that our
>>> government foists upon us today.
>>
>>
>> This is nuts. If you have ever run up against a hard-headed woman,
>> you'll think back and realize that you had run up against the least
>> submissive human being there can be.
>
>Someone else cites a study, and you offer your opinion, which is mostly
>a joke.
What study?
Oliver Costich
Acknowledging he's sophomoric promtes him a few grades.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
What truth (capitalizing it doesn't make it more true)? Yours? Show
some evidence instead of blustering racist bullshit.
Oliver Costich
<perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
>In article <mg9mh1dn0vhamf1if...@4ax.com>,
> Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4 Sep 2005 15:21:01 GMT, Perfesser White
>> <perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <G5DSe.8126$e47....@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
>> > "tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>> >> > tooly wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > <snips>
>> >> >
>> >> >> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal
>> >> >> aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was
>> >> >> it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white
>> >> >> minority
>> >> >> in the refuge masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> every rape involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be
>> >> >> wrong; who knows what all happened.
>> >> >
>> >> > Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>> >> > brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>> >> > doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>> >> >
>> >> > Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them
>> >> > to
>> >> > yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>Perfesser White
Apparently you've a problem following a discussion so I'll spell it
out for you. I did not say cognitive dissonance had a racist agenda. I
was saying that trying to use it as the basis for a racist position
was stupid.
>
>>
>> >> BTW. It would be so so so...profoundly so much easier for me just to cave
>> >> and see as you do...that all is hunky dory in all this diversity
>> >> multicultural integration...especially with african blacks. I believe
>> >> profoundly in my God...and I have put myself naked before my creator in my
>> >> most inner moments of soul searching...trying to 'see' as you do [and as
>> >> the
>> >> mainstream at large]. But...before my creator I can be nothing but HONEST
>> >> and naked...totally bared of all feeling, all insight as I view the world
>> >> and creation...
>> >>
>> >> And as I have stood before my maker [in my own personal way], I could not
>> >> come to exist in a LIE. And I tell you now...you and this society exists,
>> >> at this juncture in time...in a LIE.
>
Oliver Costich
<perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
And you think that their bullshit agenda is a positive? They're just
another racist club,just not on your side of the issue.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
Show me any well designed and implemented statistical analysis that
supports this contention.
>
>I have no agenda. I'm just going crazy existing in a society that lives
>under lies though; apparent truths twisted so far out of shape in an effort
>to accomodate and excuse african blacks that now we actually 'adapt' toward
>their behaviors rather than the opposite. We will hear nothing but excuses
>for what took place in N.O. for example from here on out...erasing the
>discomfort society feels realizing the uncivil potentials we have released
>through integration [perhaps another sunk cost BTW]. I argue that we have
>essentially signed a death warrant upon civilization itself in the long run
>[with integration]...not as an order [that too might decline], but as a
>'civility'. I have no answers, but I know the first step is to wake up from
>this lie we are living under now [about diversity and
>multiculturism...especially in dealing with AFrican Blacks]. Our own time
>is running out you know.
No one is accomodating or excusing what happened in New Orleans,
including the vast majority of the black community. And it provides no
evidence of conduct based on race.
>
>If I must be painted with the imagery of being some bad guy...then so be it.
>But I can only argue as my mind sees; as my heart directs. TO do otherwise
>would mean myself living a LIE.
>
How about as evidence shows? And real evidence, not your
"observations".
>But cognitive dissonance itself is an interesting subject that explains a
>lot of things around us and has nothing in itself to do with racial
>questions. I've seen politicians throw good money after bad for example,
>unwilling to recognize the mistakes of the original budget expenditures...a
>cognitive dissonance toward their own failures. It's a very interesting
>concept in itself and can explain a lot of the insanity we witness all
>around us everyday.
But not even most of it and there is no consensus about what it does
show or that it even conclusively shows anything.
Oliver Costich
Compaared to real analysis, cognitive dissonance is more like a party
game.
Oliver Costich
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>tooly wrote:
>> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>> news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>>
>>>tooly wrote:
>>>
>>><snips>
>>>
>>>>As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were
>>>>not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal
>>>>aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was
>>>>it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority
>>>>in the refuge masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that
>>>>every rape involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be
>>>>wrong; who knows what all happened.
>>>
>>>Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>>>brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>>>doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>>
>>>Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them to
>>>yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I make no allegation...but only want to know the 'truth'.
>> I'd like to know about the rapes in particular.
>>
>> I stand by what I said; I would wager that "nearly" [probably not all,
>> always an outlier here and there] every rape involved black men on white
>> women (I speaking about in the superdome). And there were plenty of white
>> women I saw going into the superdome before the hurricane hit...though small
>> in comparison to the overall numbers of course.
>>
>> Tell me. If we found out the numbers and they turned out to be nearly all
>> black on white rapes, would this convince you of anything? Would it help
>> you to know the societal statistics involving black men raping white women
>> compared to white men raping black women?
>
>You'd also need to know the demographics of the disaster area at the
>time of the rapes.
>
>If it's 5% white and 95% blacks, and the women raped were greater than
>5% white, if the data was accurate enough, you might have a case for it
>being non random.
Is that supposed to be some kind of statistical analysis? And what
dat? Show me.
>
>The problem with this discusion is that you are drawing on your
>inductive logic based on your past experiences, which is difficult to
>share and not a scientific sample. Perhaps your past experiences were
>colored by chance. There IS a lot of black on black crime out there.
>Perhaps you are drawing on other statistics that show that whites are
>often a target of blacks for crime, and extrapolating your conclusion to
>the present situation. That, too, would be a valid argument.
You made a claim for which you have no evidence.
>
>On the other hand, Mr. Ferret doesn't seem capable of even accepting the
>premise for discussion. Like most PC brainwashed people, he can't even
>tolerate the question being asked without an irrelevant argumentum ad
>hominem rebuttal. Sadly, much of the country is as solidly PC
>brainwashed as Mr. Ferret, and they are incapable of objectivity.
If you think Ferret or I are PC, you haven't been reading what we post
here. I'm the least PC person you'll ever find. But I also insist on
evidence. When the evidence supports the socalled PC position I
support it, when it doesn't I don't. But you simply have no evidence.
>
>> Have you heard or read about cognitive dissonance? I was told about it in
>> another thread...why people observe reality...but can't 'see it'...that it
>> creates too much conflict with their social conditioning (so they re-invent
>> the reality to fit their social conditioning etc). You're a bright guy in
>> most other respects. But I think you may be a victim of this 'cognitive
>> dissonance'.
>
>Yes. Just another way that people believe what they want to believe,
>even if it conflicts with reality.
Some people do that. Some don't . It depends on the bases for your
beliefs. Mine is "best evidence".
>
>> BTW. It would be so so so...profoundly so much easier for me just to cave
>> and see as you do...that all is hunky dory in all this diversity
>> multicultural integration...especially with african blacks. I believe
>> profoundly in my God...and I have put myself naked before my creator in my
>> most inner moments of soul searching...trying to 'see' as you do [and as the
>> mainstream at large]. But...before my creator I can be nothing but HONEST
>> and naked...totally bared of all feeling, all insight as I view the world
>> and creation...
>
>Well, you know, I find a belief in god to be yet another example of
>believing what you want to believe. I have only found anecdotal,
>un-reproduceable evidence of something that may be related to God.
So join the club, so what. Add to that my contention that organized
religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to the human race.
Is that PC?
>
>If there is a God, he doesn't want to be well known.
>If God created the Universe, then the Universe is God's word and I can
>understand the word of God by studying the universe with a completely
>open and objective mind. If no god, then I've advanced the cause of
>improving the human condition by understanding the natural world.
Huh?
>
>:-)
Oliver Costich
<stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>> Stuart Grey wrote:
>>
>>> tooly wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in
>>>> message news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>
>< snip >
>
>>>> Tell me. If we found out the numbers and they turned out to be
>>>> nearly all black on white rapes, would this convince you of
>>>> anything? Would it help you to know the societal statistics
>>>> involving black men raping white women compared to white men raping
>>>> black women?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd also need to know the demographics of the disaster area at the
>>> time of the rapes.
>>
>>
>> Actually, you don't need a damn thing to point out that the expectation
>> expressed was blatantly racist.
>
>Yes,yes. We've aleardy discussed how you low IQ PC brainwashed idiots
>can't tolerate the concept of discussing race, without screaming racist.
Making racist claims in the absence of evidence is discussing race,
it's racism.
>
>We don't need you to demonstrate the effectiveness of that PC
>brainwashing of yours.
>
>>> If it's 5% white and 95% blacks, and the women raped were greater than
>>> 5% white, if the data was accurate enough, you might have a case for
>>> it being non random.
>>
>>
>> You're actually going to try to change the subject into a discussion of
>> statistical analysis?! Astonishi
>
>The scientific study of such effects requires the use of statistics.
And the valid use of them, not some self serving bullshit with no data
at all.
Since you bring up statistics, my IQ is more the three standard
deviations above the mean and I'm the last guy to ever be brainwashed.
Oliver Costich
<perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
Whole different issue, but no thay should not.
Even there the issue is not race, but control of immigration and it's
effects on the US economic and environmental systems.
Oliver Costich
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>Oliver Costich wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:20:06 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
>> <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>tooly wrote:
>>>
>>><snips>
>>>
>>>>As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were not
>>>>around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects were
>>>>like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect,
>>>>mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
>>>>masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
>>>>involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows
>>>>what all happened.
>>
>>
>> Since you don't know what happened. maybe you shoul STFU. Most victims
>> of black crime are black.
>
>Um, Oliver, check your attributions. I didn't make that bizarre and
>unfounded allegation.
I wasn't responding to you but to another section of your post, which
must come from a post my server dodesn't have.
Stuart Grey
> Stuart Grey wrote:
>
>> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>>
>>> Stuart Grey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perfesser White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tooly,
>>>>> In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we
>>>>> spent weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the
>>>>> population. In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at
>>>>> foisting change upon the populace, and we found they were
>>>>> especially effective in the pliable populations such as women and
>>>>> youngsters who are generally submissive to authority.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
>>>> lowered to 18 from 21.
>>>>
>>>> The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
>>>>
>>>> Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
>>>>
>>>> I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that
>>>> our government foists upon us today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is nuts. If you have ever run up against a hard-headed woman,
>>> you'll think back and realize that you had run up against the least
>>> submissive human being there can be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone else cites a study, and you offer your opinion, which is
>> mostly a joke.
>
>
> No study was cited.
The paragraph that starts with "In one of my graduate level
organizational psychology courses" talks about the study they did in his
graduate level class. That's a reference to, or a citation of a study done.
> An opinion was ventured, regarding unspecified
> course material in a course we don't even know this aliased individual
> actually took, at a college which isn't named.
>
> "Cites a study", my ass.
Well, that's just it, isn't it? I'd put what was found in a graduate
level class against what you pull out of your ass.
>> Women tend to have a more nurturing nature than men. (go figure why...)
>
>
> You've never met the women in my family.
Yes. It appears that your mother was not nurturing at all, and simply
neglected to drownd her stupid children.
I'm sorry, but it is stupid to use anecdotal accounts to refute
statistical studies. And that is what you're doing.
Stuart Grey
As long as the government and the people INSIST on doing things by race,
imposing affirmative action 'non-quota' quotas; putting "disadvantaged"
groups in various posititions because being a role model is more
important than competance, then yes, race matters.
If we are going to do things based on race rather than the individual,
then we need to have an intelligent, rational, scientifically valid
understanding of what race means and what differences there are, so we
can form a rational policy.
Now, if you want to treat people in a totally color blind/gender blind
way, and not worry about the demographics of who makes it to the top,
I'm all for it and we need not mention race ever again.
> Fourteenth goddamn Amendment, asshole.
It was never legally radified, btw. It was sort of imposed, and then it
was grossly misinterpreted.
> Now go ahead and argue against the US Constituion, as amended, and
> everyone will know for what you stand: sedition.
Why would I argue against the constitution? Even with the amendments
that were added unconstitutionally, race based laws are unconstitutional.
Perfesser White
Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
Oh, I see. Then please instruct me as to when dissonance theory can and
cannot be applied.
Thanks,
Perfesser White
Perfesser White
Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
Now you're getting hysterical, Oliver. Look at the world-renowned
psychologists and social scientists who agree with The Bell Curve:
http://www.psychpage.com/learning/library/intell/mainstream.html
Perfesser White
Perfesser White
Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
Some of us deal in reality. You deal in idealism. Race and racism isn't
leaving us anytime soon.
Perfesser White
Perfesser White
Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
Ferret brought up the 14th Amendment, and one of its provisions is that
anyone born here is a citizen. According to Ferret, if you argue against
that, you're guilty of sedition. Oliver, are you advocating sedition?
tooly
"Perfesser White" <perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote in message
news:perfesser_white-4A...@cosmos.uncensored-news.com...
> In article <fo8mh15uqigo763sv...@4ax.com>,
>> >> were
>> >> not
>> >> around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects
>> >> were
>> >> like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I
>> >> suspect,
>> >> mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
>> >> masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
>> >> involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who
>> >> knows
>> >> what all happened.
>> >>
I don't need 'science' to tell me what is plain as the end of my nose.
Sometimes, you guys rely upon science so much, you are like birds that
forget how to fly, or fish that can no longer swim. Why? Because you have
to stop and think and in the interim, lose your 'instinct' to simply exist.
Libs today cannot even see they are threatened as a kind today, almost in a
sad irony, fighting for the social aggrandizement of the very thing that
will someday usurp and destroy them. Well...piss on me for seeing what is a
'clear and present' danger and then having the gonads to simply express that
I DO, in fact, 'see' that danger. Even N.O. had no impact on the blind I
suppose.
You can argue intelligence all you want...but where I see the difference
like night and day is in Temperment. African blacks are like the pitbulls
of humanity...ready to attack, volatile...and I know it is very frustrating
from personal experience to speak to blacks about anything not
'surficial'...that requires abstraction. I look into their eyes and
see...well almost 'blankness'. Understanding (and conversation) must be
reduced to 'basic' primal movements between humans...and idealism is
understood only in the most rudimentary way. So much of white civilization
was based in symbolism...but with black influence, it's all reduced to cave
dweller mentality, all about 'power' and 'fucking'. And that's the truth of
it. That's the influence of black culture overall, taking civilized
humanity right down the toilets; just look at our own kids, how they've
become lost now [not as individuals, but as style and fashions and
behavior].
Again, argue all you want...but living next to African blacks is like living
next to alligators. Most of the time, they won't bother you...but they
remain unpredictable...volatile...ready to be angered and moved to violent
behaviors almost at the drop of a hat. Peace is destroyed 'defacto'...even
if calm presides.
And know this. Ever since civil rights, our institutions have taught blacks
hatred of whites; and have given them every excuse to act upon that hatred
whenever they might be given the opportunity. That's why I would like to
hear the demographic statistics of what went down in N.O. And yes,
especially about the rapes.
tooly
Well, this thread just got to unweldy...hard to follow.
Of course the Bell Curve has merit. Of course there are Beau Coup
statistics that show clearly the criminal proclivity of black
men...especially in our culture. Just look at our prisons. Sheese, the
arguements are simply overwhelming...and yet, those like Ferret and this
Costich and many many more, simply will not look at the facts, bending over
backwards to make rationalizations out of
'plain as day' reality, easily observable.
None of these scientific arguments matter to me though. We make something
complex that really is quite simple. Blacks do not like white people...and
feel 'constrained' in what they see as white culture. Whites resent having
to exist next to what they see as too robust, dullards who are far far too
quick to violent behaviors. We are quite different.
I argue that integration was an 'intellectualized' social expediency that
simply could not foresee how it would 'ruin' civilized humanity [in
time...in time...]
tooly
> In article <fLydncSqPPs...@comcast.com>,
> Stuart Grey <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Perfesser White wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Tooly,
>> > In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we spent
>> > weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the
>> > population.
>> > In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at foisting change upon
>> > the populace, and we found they were especially effective in the
>> > pliable
>> > populations such as women and youngsters who are generally submissive
>> > to
>> > authority.
>>
>> Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
>> lowered to 18 from 21.
>>
>> The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
>>
>> Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
>
> "Civil Rights" laws, i.e., that there was a cabal against Whites with
> nefarious intentions. I believe the intention was so see "minorities"
> treated equally as far as voting, education, opportunity, etc. is
> concerned- that inclusiveness thing. The change of attitude for the
> majority population may well be an unintentional "benefit" for the
> egalitarians.
> But then again, it could have been an attempt at massive mind control.
> Bear in mind that during the late 1950's and into the 1960's, mind
> control and The Cold War were topics of intense research. Recall MK
> Ultra.
>
> Regards,
> Perfesser White
>
>>
>> I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that our
>> government foists upon us today.
Perfesser has put in some very interesting and thoughtful posts on this
thread [and other threads].
Ha, I am quite certain that if ghosts do in fact roll over in their graves,
our founders, one and all to the man, would be doing the boogey in theirs
now [in disturbed exasperation at what has been done to their noble
experiment].
I'm pretty sure even the liberal legislators in the 1960's who passed Civil
Rights had in mind 'bringing up' blacks to white standards. How could they
know how integration would cause such social degeneration; and worse, be so
influential to Europe as well. If they, again to a man, could have seen into
the future and realized their very granddaughters would become intangled
with the black man sexually as has now come to exist...they would have
soundly torn up every attempt for new civil rights law. I could not be more
certain of that.
But Black influence and encroachment upon civilized humankind goes back way
before Civil Rights. They had been influencing things with dixieland and
jazz and gospel and many other 'worldy' expressions that slowly assaulted
our aspiring nobility based upon higher value (most of it by subliminal show
of their more worldly sexual nature in their expressions) . Most today
would of course think our release from Victorian values was also a release
to greater freedom and from social purgatory of sorts...but one must also
understand the 'reach' of our civilization.
Civilization itself is an attempt to 'escape' a very harsh, cruel, unjust,
and morally voided nature in this world. That nature is 'predatory' at it's
root (you might want to check your science on that)...and that predatory
foundation exists in all of us even now, buried in variance as we have
concated time to become the things we 'believed in'as mental mold to a new
rising creature in this world called Human (out of root stock Homo Sapien).
Corralling such animalistic energies with pure thought through
idealism...through the simple belief structures based upon 'abstraction' was
not a thing easily accomplished through the centuries of social struggle.
Always, not just seeking greater idealism, but also 'amassing' social power
in centralized organization. Now, in a fortnight...we let it all unravel
for sake of assuaging the guilt complexes such as that borne upon the likes
of Ferret and Costich and so many more in this society, who like children
want to let loose all the animals at the zoo because they suddenly become
aware of 'cages'.
We sublimated a great many energies...to redirect into greater social
platitudes that ultimately served family...and actually gave greater cement
to human relations.
Once upon a time, now in a galaxy far away anyway...
Long live New Orleans.
tooly
You sound like one of these kids fresh out of their indoctrination center
called high school who now are so certain of the world; but just the
illusions painted upon brains by social expedite of our children.
If you're over 30...well, then forget my question, though then I somehow
picture a 'sensitive guy'. I'm not trying to flame you or put you down
here, but just understanding the source many times adds a more complete
understanding of what is said. Ha...you could just be black...or some
minority too...which then it all makes complete sense.
"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hi0ph1lqiipv41f2v...@4ax.com...
tooly
> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:20:06 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
> <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>
>>tooly wrote:
>>
>><snips>
>>
>>> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities were
>>> not
>>> around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal aspects
>>> were
>>> like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or was it, as I
>>> suspect,
>>> mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white minority in the refuge
>>> masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape
>>> involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who
>>> knows
>>> what all happened.
>
Costich writes in return:
> Since you don't know what happened. maybe you shoul STFU. Most victims
> of black crime are black.
I'd like to see the demographics of the criminal activity while N.O. was out
of touch those first few nights. We'll probably never see the racial makeup
though. Too 'un-PC'.
What world do you live in anyway? You have to be young...right; some MTV
kid on his high horse? Like Ferret, you probably wear your ballcap
backwards and your pants down around your butt displaying underwear in some
sort of sexual perversion of lowball mentality that thinks that is
attractive to the opposite sex.
Ok, ok...I get personal, sorry...but I really would like to know the source;
that helps me understand 'why' people argue what they do here. You
absolutely cannot have much real world experience under your belt. Even if
you are older.
BTW...crime statistics that support a distinct behavioral demarcation
between races is quite extensive. Check who are in our prisons.
One eyeopener I always think is interesting are those prisons in fact, where
survival pushes men to circumvent social nicety (as forced by PC) to exist
in a more 'real world' conveyance of social structure. Blacks group with
blacks, Hispanics with Hispanics, and whites with whites. Actually, in the
rougher prisons (as is readily discussed in documentaries we've probably all
seen by now), binding in racial groupings is a necessity for survival.
There's no natural love between the races; only a natural
competition...which whites have now just 'fallen down' in the grass to get
steamrolled. No...not fallen; we've just lain ourselves down like some
abiding 'prey'. Bad leadership I'd say.
tooly
"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
news:431B2100...@earthops.net...
> Pope Secola VI wrote:
>> tooly wrote:
>>
>>> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>>> news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>>>
>>>> tooly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snips>
>>>>
>>>>> As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities
>>>>> were not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the
>>>>> criminal aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and
>>>>> pillaging? Or was it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a
>>>>> profoundly white minority in the refuge masses? Especically the
>>>>> rapes. I somehow would wager that every rape involved black males
>>>>> ganging up on white women. I may be wrong; who knows what all
>>>>> happened.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>>>> doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>>>
>>>> Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep them
>>>> to yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>>>>
>> is not racist it's a statement of fact.
>
>
> PROVE that all of the rapes in the Superdome were, as 'tooly' suggests,
> all black men raping white women. Prove that _any_ of those rapes were
> black men raping white women.
>
>> A fact that you choose not to deal with by calling every one who reports
>> it a racist.
>
>
> There has been nothing but unsupported speculation.
True...all speculation for now. I want to hear the numbers. But we'll
never get to see those numbers will we. BTW, I said I 'wagered' that the
rapes would be black men raping white women; not that I KNEW anything. I'd
almost put money on it too. The word 'Every' might get me in trouble with
that wager...but I'd almost bet even on that. But even if I've guessed
wrong in this one circumstance, it does not change what is happening to us
throughout. Ha...thing of it is, I really doubt I've guessed wrong LOL.
Can anyone trace down the original story of the Austrailians who witnessed
the two girls getting raped? Maybe we could find out the racial mix of at
least those two girls and their assailants.
tooly
> The purpose of using law to force equal rights was to change behavior
> not belief.
Now, this one you got right. But changing behavior is only a superficial
remedy. PUt a gun to peoples head...or tyranny in any form...and they will
give you back whateve turd color you desire [if you own the power]. But it
is a fool's ploy to think that changing behavior changes 'attitudes'. And do
not mistake a peaceful volcanoe as anything more than chaos delayed to
another day when it erupts [probably with greater potential energies built
up from oppression].
Attitudes can only be changed through 'experience'. We can try...and we
have tried. But even a mule knows a two-by-four over the head when it
crushes down upon it. Tell me, just how long was it supposed to take for
all this mulitcultural diverse 'equal rights' behavior to kick in for the
black man anyway? He's only been here for 200 some odd years. Think
assimilation might start sometime soon? Oh...I forgot. We gave that one up
and decided the only assimilation possible was us giving away our culture to
rap city hunker down.
N.O. just happened this week you know...a runamuck lawlessness that we
hadn't seen since.....hmm...let me see...since the L.A. riots; another fine
AFrican Black moment?
Baloney. Costich and Ferret have their heads in the ground [or perhaps
other places where the sun don't shine :) ] ?
Tiny Human Ferret
Clearly you have never taken any college course, or you have failed it
miserably, doubtless due to your poor reading skills.
<dict>
Citation Ci*ta"tion, n. F. citation, LL. citatio, fr.L.
citare to cite. See Cite
1. An official summons or notice given to a person to appear;
the paper containing such summons or notice.
1913 Webster
2. The act of citing a passage from a book, or from another
person, in his own words; also, the passage or words
quoted; quotation.
1913 Webster
This horse load of citations and fathers. --Milton.
1913 Webster
3. Enumeration; mention; as, a citation of facts.
1913 Webster
4. (Law) A reference to decided cases, or books of authority,
to prove a point in law.
1913 Webster
</dict>
See above for a definition of "citation".
In a paragraph above, the person makes an assertion. He does not name
the class, he does not name the university, he does not name the course
text, and he does not in any way reference title, author, or date. That,
in academic circles, is called "anecdotal" and it is hardly a citation,
is it more akin to a rumor or an unsupported bald assertion.
>> An opinion was ventured, regarding unspecified course material in a
>> course we don't even know this aliased individual actually took, at a
>> college which isn't named.
>
> >
>
>> "Cites a study", my ass.
>
>
> Well, that's just it, isn't it? I'd put what was found in a graduate
> level class against what you pull out of your ass.
There is no indication -- other than unsupported bald assertion -- that
he actually found anything in a graduate-level class. To summarize, he
pulled that remark out of _his_ ass.
>>> Women tend to have a more nurturing nature than men. (go figure why...)
>>
>>
>>
>> You've never met the women in my family.
>
>
> Yes. It appears that your mother was not nurturing at all, and simply
> neglected to drownd her stupid children.
>
> I'm sorry, but it is stupid to use anecdotal accounts to refute
> statistical studies. And that is what you're doing.
No statistical studies have been cited. You are confabulating.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
nam primi in omnibus proeliis oculi vincuntur.
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
tooly
> On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 10:11:07 -0700, Stuart Grey
> <stuar...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Perfesser White wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tooly,
>>> In one of my graduate level organizational psychology courses, we spent
>>> weeks dissecting "Civil Rights" laws and their effect on the population.
>>> In short, those laws worked pretty effectively at foisting change upon
>>> the populace, and we found they were especially effective in the pliable
>>> populations such as women and youngsters who are generally submissive to
>>> authority.
>>
>>Which, by the way, is why Woman got the vote and the voting age was
>>lowered to 18 from 21.
>>
>>The government wanted a submissive society that did as told.
>>
>>Damn, it seems to have worked, too.
>>
>>I can't imagine the founding fathers putting up with the crap that our
>>government foists upon us today.
>
>
Someone give this dog a bone or something. Costich's training is complete.
I agree with Stuart...and I don't need some scientific hocus-pocus to
understand the life I experience on a daily basis.
I've asked the question how did our society make such a decidedly turn to
the 'left' since circa 1960's or so. Several answers come back as I read,
survey things.
Pat Buchanan, among others, say we are victims of Cultural Marxism and their
'grand march' through the institutions. That makes sense..but I have no
proof of course. After reading their new manfesto, it does seem to describe
exactly what has happened. But there are holes...since socialist movements
are not running amuck so much as 'social change'.
A less convincing argument I've heard is that we are victims of Jewish
influence. This does seem credible when one considers ownership of the
media and such powerful 'mind molding' influences as television and
Hollywood. Add to this Newspapers...and that arguement is hard to dismiss.
The Media and education has been the mainstays of 'changing' the mindsets of
people away from traditionalism toward multiculturism and diversity...and
liberalism in general. But why do liberal newspapers today seem to always
support the Palastinian terror groups over Isreal? That wouldn't make sense
if Jews were this liberalization of the West.
The real political 'well' from which force has been applied to change
society has been harvested from the changes in women's attitudes and their
new found freedoms [women make up 50% of all would be voters; and were the
defining reason for electing a Bill Clinton first time around for example].
But even here, I see women as being led down the primrose path enmasse,
being sold a bill of goods under feminism that is not even in their own best
interests, much less the society at large.
I've said before, that IMO, when white women began to show a sexual interest
in African males, it pulled the heart out of the white male. It was then
either Adapt...like Ferret has...or...well, I guess be like me and 'resist'
in what seems like a futile fight. But, futile or not, I know it is a fight
I must make in some way. I can NEVER...EVER...adapt to white women making
hay with black men.
I do blame white women as the real underlying power behind why AFrican
Blacks have been allowed to rise in this land. I really really would like
to see just who was accosted in that SuperDome...and who was raped and by
whom.
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <431B9CA9...@earthops.net>,
> Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Perfesser White wrote:
>>
>>>In article <431B754...@earthops.net>,
>>> Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Perfesser White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 4 Sep 2005 15:21:01 GMT, Perfesser White
>>>>>><perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <G5DSe.8126$e47....@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
>>>>>>>"tooly" <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>tooly wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><snips>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>As we learn of the horror that took place in N.O. while authorities
>>>>>>>>>>were
>>>>>>>>>>not around, I'd like someone to find out exactly what the criminal
>>>>>>>>>>aspects were like. Was it black on black raping and pillaging? Or
>>>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>>>>it, as I suspect, mostly blacks ganging up on a profoundly white
>>>>>>>>>>minority
>>>>>>>>>>in the refuge masses? Especically the rapes. I somehow would wager
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>every rape involved black males ganging up on white women. I may be
>>>>>>>>>>wrong; who knows what all happened.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Somehow I am not the least surprised that you make the allegation of
>>>>>>>>>brutal black savages ganging up on poor innocent white girls. I really
>>>>>>>>>doubt that happened, especially not in goddamn Louisiana.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Keep your lurid racist fantasies to yourself, or if you can't keep
>>>>>>>>>them
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>yourself, at least try to keep 'em off of UseNet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'd like to know about the rapes in particular.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I stand by what I said; I would wager that "nearly" [probably not all,
>>>>>>>>always an outlier here and there] every rape involved black men on
>>>>>>>>white
>>>>>>>>women (I speaking about in the superdome). And there were plenty of
>>>>>>>>white
>>>>>>>>women I saw going into the superdome before the hurricane hit...though
>>>>>>>>small
>>>>>>>>in comparison to the overall numbers of course.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>black on white rapes, would this convince you of anything? Would it
>>>>>>>>help
>>>>>>>>women
>>>>>>>>
Actually, the preferred term in Child Development circles is
"socialized" or "acculturated".
Human beings are far more than the products of innate behaviour or
instinct; they are also the products of their culture and experiences.
In short, we have learned to rise above the innate and the instinctual;
that is what makes us superior to the rest of the animal kingdom. Yet,
you apparently wish to celebrate animality over humanity, espousing the
views that the instinctual preference for close kind is superior to
tolerance of differences.
Sorry, I'm a man, not a chimp, and proud of the differences.
>>ergo, to prove one isn't brainwashed, one must adopt
>>or at least express racialist views.
>
>
> LOL, now don't go getting hysterical on us, Ferret. That is not what I
> said.
No. But in my opinion, that is your strategy. Of course, discussing it
as your strategy would cripple the strategy. Therefor, you will deny it.
Either admit it or deny it! ;)
>>This would be _you_ using a
>>cognitive dissonance of discussing cognitive dissonance as a tool to
>>promote adoption of or conformance to your views. No thanks. Nice try,
>>though.
>>
>>Some silly person objected to my citing this psychological
>>
>>>phenomenon and its effects as bolstering a "racist agenda". What
>>>foolishness. It is what it is and it does what it does. Sorry if you
>>>guys don't like it.
>>>My beliefs on race, etc are well known to anyone who's read my posts,
>>>but that's not what was being discussed.
>>
>>Actually, that's what you're trying to toss out as a distraction.
>
>
> What's the distraction? Let's look at the earlier posts (summarizing):
>
> - Tooly states that some people ignore either facts or reality that
> doesn't conform to their social conditioning, nothing unusual about that
'tooly' then goes on to state "facts" and "reality" which are, indeed,
little more than lurid racist fantasies involving brutal gang rapes of
white women by black men. His "facts" and "reality" don't seem to have
any concordance with what actually IS.
> - In another thread, I pointed to cognitive dissonance as a possible
> cause of that, citing civil rights laws and the (intended or unintended)
> consequences of those laws as an example of how dissonance theory works,
> stating that is one way to change minds
In other words, you offer an academic distraction, apparently so that
nobody will notice that 'tooly' is making allegations that are outright
unsupported and unsupportable, yet exceptionally prejudicial and
guaranteed to send blood pressures rising and adrenaline-levels soaring.
> - some mental lightweight jumps in crying that I'm trying to "bolster
> (my) racist agenda" using psychology. What I did was cite one way social
> scientists work to change attitudes, and dissonance theory is one of
> those. Psychology is the study of behavior, and social psychologists
> study social issues and behaviors and ways to deal with them, among
> other things.
>
> -you jump in telling me that I'm trying to avoid something, I'm not sure
> what- my own racial beliefs? Is that it? It still isn't very clear what
> you're protesting about.
>
>
>>Further, it's disingenious for either you or 'tooly' to claim that I am
>>a victim of cognitive dissonance,
>
>
> I didn't say anything even remotely like that.
The insistence that we discuss cognitive dissonance instead of "tooly"'s
musings may easily be seen as a suggestion that my disagreement with his
remarks can only be explained as me being a victim of Evil Mind Control,
and with your kind help, I can be cured of the Evil Mind Control and
once again be free to do what is "right", which apparently is to hold
unrealistic racial prejudices and to harbor unsupportable suspicions.
>>which would mean that I've changed my
>>views to adapt to what PC attempts to enforce. I've had roughly the same
>>position since before 'tooly' ever surfaced under his present alias.
>>Being affected by cognitive dissonance would mean that I had bowed to
>>the pressure of such as himself, yourself, and rather more than a few
>>others here, and had adopted a pro-white anti-nonwhite political
>>stance... which I have yet to do.
>
>
> I know. We've debated racial politics before. You are a non-racial
> person, Ferret, and that's fine- for you.
Well, don't waste either of our time by jumping in with a suggestion
about brainwashing when I try to tell someone that they're just way over
the line. We don't need people pretending to be for Immigration Reform
and then spouting crap that discredits the whole movement and everyone
associated with it.
>>Yet I notice that a lot of other people are starting to conform to the
>>alternative PC (for genuine racialists) that you and your ilk spin out.
>>That they, who clearly have conformed to the Big Lie Repeated Often
>>method, can better be said to have succumbed than I have.
>
>
> Race is a reality to many people, Ferret. Ask the NAACP for guidance.
Well, no shit, race is a reality. That's no excuse for insulting entire
races. People have to deal with other people on an individual basis in
most cases, or they're knee-deep in the fallacious logic of
overgeneralization, to-wit, "some are thus, hence all are thus". That's
one of the most basic and blatant illogics one can ever see. People who
can accept that are simply broken, mentally, and fixing that is one of
my priorities in life.
>>Cognitive Dissonance my ass. I am and have been a Surrealist
>
>
> A what? What is that?
<dict>
surrealist
n : an artist who is a member of the movement called surrealism
surrealism
n : a 20th century movement of artists and writers (developing
out of Dadaism) who used fantastic images and incongruous
juxtapositions in order to represent unconscious thoughts
and dreams
</dict>
Gee, a whole artistic movement using Cognitive Dissonance!
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrealism :
<quote in-part>
Surrealism is a philosophy, a cultural and artistic movement, and a term
used to describe unexpected juxtapositions.
[ ... ]
Unexpected juxtapostion. The word "surreal" is often used to describe
unexpected juxtapositions or use of non-sequiturs in art or dialog,
particuarly where such juxtapositions argue for their own
self-consistency. This usage is often independent of any direct
connection to Surrealism the movement, and is used in both formal and
informal contexts.
[ ... ]
</quote>
As for Cognitive Dissonance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
<quote in-part>
Cognitive dissonance is a condition first proposed by the psychologist
Leon Festinger in 1956, relating to his hypothesis of cognitive consistency.
Cognitive dissonance is a state of opposition between cognitions. For
the purpose of cognitive consistency theory, cognitions are defined as
being an attitude, emotion, belief or value, or even a mixture of these.
In brief, the theory of cognitive dissonance holds that contradicting
cognitions serve as a driving force that compels the human mind to
acquire or invent new thoughts or beliefs, or to modify existing
beliefs, so as to minimize the amount of dissonance (conflict) between
cognitions.
The main criticism of the cognitive consistency hypothesis is that it is
impossible to verify or falsify by experiment. Even so, experiments have
been attempted to quantify this hypothetical drive. Opponents of this
hypothesis contend that relations between cognitions can be irrelevant
or not present, and cite the apparent ability of many human beings to
reconcile mutually exclusive or contradictory beliefs with no apparent
stress.
[ ... ]
Put simply, the experimenters concluded that human beings, when asked to
lie without being given sufficient justification, will convince
themselves that the lie they are asked to tell is the truth. Only when
sufficient justification is given, researchers speculated, are human
beings able to resist having their mind instantly reprogrammed by any
request that they lie.
[ ... ]
</quote>
See also "the Great Disappointment" for further examples of "cognitive
dissonance" in action.
>>for quite
>>some time now. Cognitive Dissonance is one of my tools and it's a poor
>>carpenter who gets bit by his own saw.
>>
>>Now go teach your gramma to suck eggs. Maybe soak your head while you're
>>at it.
>
>
> Oh well... ya can't please everyone all of the time. :~)
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <akvoh1hrgmdf9ib3n...@4ax.com>,
> Oliver Costich <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On 5 Sep 2005 02:43:26 GMT, Perfesser White
>><perfess...@whiteuniversity.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <431B9CA9...@earthops.net>,
>>>Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
>>>Race is a reality to many people, Ferret. Ask the NAACP for guidance.
>>
>>And you think that their bullshit agenda is a positive? They're just
>>another racist club,just not on your side of the issue.
>
>
> Some of us deal in reality. You deal in idealism. Race and racism isn't
> leaving us anytime soon.
All the more reason to not tolerate it much.
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <431B9D72...@earthops.net>,
>>
>>>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Stuart Grey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in
>>>>>>message news:431AD866...@earthops.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>< snip >
>>>
>>>>>>nearly all black on white rapes, would this convince you of
>>>>>>anything? Would it help you to know the societal statistics
>>>>>>involving black men raping white women compared to white men raping
>>>>>>black women?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>time of the rapes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, you don't need a damn thing to point out that the
>>>>expectation expressed was blatantly racist.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes,yes. We've aleardy discussed how you low IQ PC brainwashed idiots
>>>can't tolerate the concept of discussing race, without screaming racist.
>>
>>concerned. The only time I care about it is when assholes like you stick
>>into my face something on which I've long since decided: "if race
>>considerations don't turn people against me, I will not turn race
>>considerations against them". People treat me like I'm a person, and I
>>treat them like they're people. Fourteenth goddamn Amendment, asshole.
>>
>>Now go ahead and argue against the US Constituion, as amended, and
>>everyone will know for what you stand: sedition.
>
>
> Well, Ferret- what about those anchor babies dropped here? Should they
> be U.S. citizens?
It's the LAW.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
Tiny Human Ferret
Oliver Costich is not arguing against the US Constitution. Oliver
Costich is arguing whether or not there is compelling reason to again
Amend the Constitution. I don't see him arguing anywhere that people
should break the law of the land; I do seem him appropriately expressing
concern that allowing people to sneak into the country and abuse our
laws (by giving birth while illegally present) can come to no good end,
and I have seen him present plenty of solid argument and hard facts to
support that argument.
Do I think that anchor babies should be US Citizens? It is the law! Do I
think that illegal aliens should be left in the country long enough to
give birth here? Absolutely not.