'Woman Fired(By Muslim) After Eating Pork' in Florida
Moderate Mammal
More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with
a "hate crime" and "racism".
Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
--
Keith
http://www.local6.com/money/3614199/detail.html
Woman Fired For Eating 'Unclean' Meat
Attorney: 'It's A Classic Case Of Religious Discrimination'
5:46 AM EDT August 4, 2004
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A Central Florida woman was fired from her job after
eating "unclean" meat and violating a reported company policy that pork
and pork products are not permissible on company premises, according to
Local 6 News.
Lina Morales was hired as an administrative assistant at Rising Star --
a Central Florida telecommunications company with strong Muslim ties,
Local 6 News reported.
However, 10 months after being hired by Rising Star, religious
differences led to her termination.
Morales, who is Catholic, was warned about eating pizza with meat the
Muslim faith considered "unclean," Local 6 News reported.
She was then fired for eating a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich,
according to the report.
"Are you telling me they fired you because you had something with ham on
it?" Local 6 News reporter Mike Holfeld asked.
"Yes," Morales said.
Woman Fired After Eating Pork
Holfeld asked, "A pizza and a BLT sandwich?"
" Yes," Morales said.
Local 6 News obtained the termination letter that states she was fired
for refusing to comply with company policy that pork and pork products
are not permissible on company premises.
However, by the company's own admission to the Equal Employment
Opportunity
Commission, that policy is not written, Local 6 News reported.
"Did you ever sign to or agree to anything that said I will not eat
pork?" Holfeld asked Morales.
"Never," Morales said. "When I got hired there, they said we don't care
what religion you are."
Attorney Travis Hollifield is representing Morales in a lawsuit against
the company.
"It's just un-American," Hollifield said. "It's not in compliance with
the laws of this country."
Local 6 News reported that the case has precedent-setting issues because
it addresses employee rights and religion in the workplace.
"It's a classic case of religious discrimination," Hollifield said.
"They have not articulated a single reason other than religious reason
behind the policy."
The CEO of Rising Star, Kujaatele Kweli, told Local 6 News that they
have tried to create an office that accommodates anybody's religion --
not just Islam.
"Clearly you're accommodating," Holfeld said.
"Yes." Kweli replied.
"And you have an ecumenical philosophy," Holfeld said.
" Yes," Kweli replied.
"(Then) shouldn't you be able to accommodate all faiths in the same
lunch room?" Holfeld asked.
"We do, we can," Kweli said.
"But you've dismissed one of your employees for eating pork in the lunch
room," Holfeld said.
"Yes, pork is considered unclean," Kweli said.
The Koran forbids Muslims from eating pork.
And according to Kweli, Morales and every employee at the company is
advised of the no pork policy.
"Our point of view is to respect the laws of the land and the laws of
the land as I understand it is to the accommodate people's right to
practice their religions if you can," Kweli said.
"Even if it impacts other people?" Holfeld asked.
"Well, it always impacts other people," Kweli replied.
Orlando attorney Mark Nejame is close to the Muslim community, Local 6
News reported. He said Kweli's intentions may cross constitutional
parameters, according to the report.
"They're making it seem that if you don't follow a certain set of
religious practices and beliefs then you're going to be terminated and
that's wrong," Nejame said. "If this case prevails, what it will mean --
the implications of this case -- is it will eliminate accommodations of
religion."
Both sides are steadfast in their belief that they are right. Morales is
taking the company to court charging discrimination, Local 6 News
reported.
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Christopher A. Lee
Mammal) wrote:
>
>More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
>Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
>from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
>studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with
>a "hate crime" and "racism".
>
>Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
Trolling moron.
DrPostman
Why, yes you are. What do you find trolling about that very
real news item?
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Mark K. Bilbo
<24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> we saw our hero
BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal):
> More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
> Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women from
> the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and studies
> in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with a "hate
> crime" and "racism".
>
> Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
*Moderate? Ranting, raging bigotry is "moderate?"
Words are being so drained of meaning in the US these days...
--
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Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
<24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>:
>"But you've dismissed one of your employees for eating pork in the lunch
>room," Holfeld said.
>
>"Yes, pork is considered unclean," Kweli said.
>
>The Koran forbids Muslims from eating pork.
Time to reiterate "VG's Rule of Bacon Sammiches".
Before having any dealings with anyone, either personal or business,
split a bacon sandwich with them. If they won't eat it, they're not
to be trusted, and you should not have anything else to do with them.
--
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Raptor514
"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
> Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
> from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
> studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with
> a "hate crime" and "racism".
>
> Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
>
> --
> Keith
The news article you quote is a good example of the insanity and ignorance
of religion.
Your example of liberal, atheist, ACLU women is a good example of
simple-minded Dittohead thinking.
Your statements about moderate atheists is utterly irrelevant to eating pork
and getting fired for it.
Your statement equating the Arab world with the "cesspool of Humanity" is
racist and despicable.
Raptor514
Dale
news:24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
>
> Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
> from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
> studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with
> a "hate crime" and "racism".
>
> Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
Hey there, WebTV guy. You need to wipe the foam off your chin.
Moderate Mammal
alt-a...@org.webmaster (Mark K. Bilbo), Wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:29:46 -0400 in
>episode
><24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.w
>btv.net> we saw our hero
>BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal):
>>More multi-culturalism via immigration from the
>>cesspool of Humanity. Perhaps what is needed
>>is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
>>from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for
>>"sensitivity training" and studies in "tolerance".
>>And if they complain we could charge them with
>>a "hate crime" and "racism".
>Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your
>silence is killing us.
>*Moderate? Ranting, raging bigotry is
>"moderate?"
Which "bigotry" would that be? That all of the Christians, Jews, Pagans
and Atheists have been removed from Saudi Arabia and Yemen via genocide
by Muslims?
When has the ACLU ever held the Islamic kookdom in this country
responsible for forcing their religion upon everyone else? In Michigan
for example. But they do make a federal case out of pettyness such as
"God" in the pledge or the Easter Bunny putting his paws of public
school property.
When a Priest farts on public property the ACLU organizes an orgy of
zealotry but is silent when an Iman publicly calls for the destruction
of non Islamic civilization including the teaching of children
unspeakable notions that should make any so-called civil libertarian
react with the upmost horror.
>Words are being so drained of meaning in the
>US these days...
I agree.
--
Keith
>--
>Mark K. Bilbo
Brian Westley
>alt-a...@org.webmaster (Mark=A0K.=A0Bilbo), Wrote:
>>On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:29:46 -0400 in
>>episode
>><24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.w
>>btv.net> we saw our hero
>>BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal):
>>>More multi-culturalism via immigration from the
>>>cesspool of Humanity. Perhaps what is needed
>>>is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
>>>from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for
>>>"sensitivity training" and studies in "tolerance".
>>>And if they complain we could charge them with
>>>a "hate crime" and "racism".
>>Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your
>>silence is killing us.
>>*Moderate? Ranting, raging bigotry is
>>"moderate?"
>Which "bigotry" would that be? That all of the Christians, Jews, Pagans
>and Atheists have been removed from Saudi Arabia and Yemen via genocide
>by Muslims?
In where? Your fevered imagination?
>When has the ACLU ever held the Islamic kookdom in this country
>responsible for forcing their religion upon everyone else? In Michigan
>for example.
You mean where mosques are held to the same noise standards as
churches? You mean where the only change in the noise laws was
REMOVING an exemption for religion, so the same noise laws would
apply to the mosques and the churches (where previously, churches
were completely exempt from noise limits)?
>But they do make a federal case out of pettyness such as
>"God" in the pledge
Because that's a case of the government imposing religion;
in Michigan, all religions (as well as e.g. political speech)
is subject to the SAME noise laws.
>or the Easter Bunny putting his paws of public
>school property.
Schools are not to assume all their students celebrate the
same religious holidays.
>When a Priest farts on public property the ACLU organizes an orgy of
>zealotry but is silent when an Iman publicly calls for the destruction
>of non Islamic civilization including the teaching of children
>unspeakable notions that should make any so-called civil libertarian
>react with the upmost horror.
Examples? Or will you just post ridiculous hyperbole?
>>Words are being so drained of meaning in the
>>US these days...
>I agree.
Your words are, so far, pretty empty.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
John Griffin
Of course the mohammedans think they're right. They aren't allowed to
question their cult's rules. On the other hand, any good leftwing
extremist should be able to think of some antidiscrimination law which
supports the victim of this religious persecution.
Imagine the scene if those guys were Catholics and they had fired
someone for eating meat on Friday. The victim would be able to use all
of their assets as collateral the next day, because the ACLU would make
sure she sued them for all they're worth. They must have pork police in
their lunchroom, and that alone should be worth a few million in
punitive damages for harassment.
Jeff
"Brian Westley" <wes...@visi.com> wrote in message
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The Greek philosopher, Thinkaboutit Alotus, once said: If an owner fails to
understand his vessel has no bottom then it will always be empty, regardless
of how many words go into the vessel.
Mark K. Bilbo
<21708-411...@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> we saw our hero
BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal):
>
> alt-a...@org.webmaster (Mark K. Bilbo), Wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:29:46 -0400 in episode
>><24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.w btv.net> we saw our hero
>>BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal):
>
>>>More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
>>>Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
>>>from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
>>>studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with a
>>>"hate crime" and "racism".
>
>>Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
>
>>*Moderate? Ranting, raging bigotry is "moderate?"
>
> Which "bigotry" would that be? That all of the Christians, Jews, Pagans
> and Atheists have been removed from Saudi Arabia and Yemen via genocide by
> Muslims?
Right here: "More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of
Humanity."
That's bigotry, plain and simple.
The topic wasn't Saudi Arabia. The topic was an event that happened in the
US. What wrong another country does has no bearing of any kind on what *my
country does.
> When has the ACLU ever held the Islamic kookdom in this country
> responsible for forcing their religion upon everyone else?
Yawn.
I'm sure you have all kinds of imagined wrongs to rant about. Lots of
"there's a story kind of maybe in some publication somewhere that I heard
about once."
Lots of bigots grab hold of some story or other and twist the hell out of
it (or just grab an urban legend and run with it) until it sounds like
we're all being rounded up by the Muslim overlords and being marched into
death camps. It's just bullshit okay? I've tried digging into the few
incidents people shriek about and have invariably found there's just no
"there" there.
It's like the rant about the California schools and their alleged
"teaching" of Islam. That was simply a lie. Outright and consciously, a
Christian "news" organizations just lied their asses off. I *lived in the
area at the time that one went around. I had the teaching materials, had
(and still have) the textbook, and knew several teachers in the school
system. The whole thing was bullshit.
Considering how much lying I've seen, people shouldn't be surprised I'm
skeptical.
> In Michigan for example.
For example what?
> But they do make a federal case out of pettyness such as
> "God" in the pledge or the Easter Bunny putting his paws of public
> school property.
Hogwash. First of all, the pledge case was brought by an individual and
not initiated by the ACLU. If the ACLU was involved it was peripherally
so.
What *is it with people acting as if the ACLU is some demonic force that's
behind everything they don't like? Sheesh.
Second, the 1950s law passed to insert "god" into the pledge is one of the
clearest examples of violations of the 1st Amendment ever. The amendment
actually point blank *says "Congress shall make no law..." What part of
"no law" is so goddamned hard for people to understand?
And, yeah, I'm sure the easter bunny is being purged in a Stalinist orgy.
<eye roll>
> When a Priest farts on public property the ACLU organizes an orgy of
> zealotry but is silent when an Iman publicly calls for the destruction
> of non Islamic civilization including the teaching of children
> unspeakable notions that should make any so-called civil libertarian
> react with the upmost horror.
Are you really this dense?
Let me type more slowly and use smaller words.
The ACLU is a US organization that exists to assist people in 1st
Amendment cases. Now here's the tricky part: you're talking about people
who are in *other countries.
Let's go over that again. The ACLU is a US organization that works in the
US legal system to assist US citizens in US cases that are under
jurisdiction of US courts. It's very curiously not possible to sue, say,
an Iranian Iman in a US court for violating the 1st Amendment of the US
Constitution. Weirdly, being in Iran means you're not actually *in the
United States.
Strange huh?
Now, I know this is hard for you to grasp but there really are *other
*countries. Those funny things on those "maps" people talk about, those
are representations of places that are really, really, really not in the
US. There's actually a whole planet out there that's not inside our
borders.
If you have further trouble comprehending how a US organization that
assists US citizens with cases that deal with an amendment of the US
Constitution in US courts can't seem to do much about what is said by
people who are not in the US, not under US jurisdiction, don't have a
legal case in the US courts, and aren't even US citizens, maybe I could
draw some little diagrams. I promise I'll use crayons as you're likely
more comfortable with that.
>>Words are being so drained of meaning in the US these days...
>
> I agree.
So, Skippy, you want to do *what exactly? Kill the "rag heads?" Ban the
"sand niggers" from coming to the country? What? You tell me.
One stupid case of an idiot company pulling a boner. That's all you got.
They're going to get sued and it's going to take about fifteen seconds for
them to lose.
In case you haven't noticed, in a country of almost 300 million people
now, there are always going to be some idiots who just don't get it. This
is why we *have a legal system.
By the way, this is the kind of case the ACLU would likely enter on the
side of the woman fired. They *do that. They've defended Christians were
denied their 1st Amendment rights. They'll defend *anybody who has an
actual 1st Amendment case.
This is why people are trying to convince the public the ACLU is "evil."
They want the lawyers who sue to protect the rights of the public to be
stopped.
If you fall for this game, you are a fool.
Jeff
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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I believe you failed to post the enture part of your reference. It goes:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". This
part was placed in the Constitution to prevent creation of a national
church, such as the Church of England. There was never any intention to
deny the existence of a creator. Are you suggesting that the contents of
the Declaration should be void because it violates your interpretation of
the Constitution?
Notroll2003
There's nothing unconstitutional about a Catholic business owner
requiring that no meat be eaten on business premises on Fridays. I
realize you've been on the receiving end of lots of discrimination
(e.g. idiot, ugly, trailer dweller, pencil dick, cross dresser etc.)
but none of it is illegal.
Mark K. Bilbo
<2APQc.1177$PY3...@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com> we saw our hero "Jeff"
<joeki...@pacbll.net>:
> I believe you failed to post the enture part of your reference. It goes:
> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".
> This part was placed in the Constitution to prevent creation of a national
> church, such as the Church of England. There was never any intention to
> deny the existence of a creator. Are you suggesting that the contents of
> the Declaration should be void because it violates your interpretation of
> the Constitution?
It was, according to James Madison who wrote the original and who oversaw
the crafting of the amendment we have, meant to ensure a "perfect
separation" of church and state.
I do love how people focus on attacking Jefferson's Danbury letter, the
one in which he used the now common phrase "wall of separation" while
ignoring that the *author of the amendment and the man who saw it through
to becoming part of our constitution was even *more *adamant than
Jefferson.
Madison commented that the government was to have no cognizance of
religion except so far as necessary to maintain the peace. That is, it was
meant to be *oblivious to religion unless some such thing as a religious
war broke out or a cult that practiced human sacrifice or some such were
to emerge. Other than that, our government was to be utterly *without* any
recognition that religion even *exists.
Jeff
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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I suggest you run that one past the Supreme Court. I believe they are the
arbitors of what is and what is not Constitutional.
Rodrigo Diaz
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Brian Westley
I think you'll find the supreme court agrees much more with Mark's
position than yours; they've never held that the first amendment
only prohibits a state religion, as you claim.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Jeff
> ---
> Merlyn LeRoy
Bookman
"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:46 -0400, BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate
> Mammal) wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>:
>
> >"But you've dismissed one of your employees for eating pork in the lunch
> >room," Holfeld said.
> >
> >"Yes, pork is considered unclean," Kweli said.
> >
> >The Koran forbids Muslims from eating pork.
>
> Time to reiterate "VG's Rule of Bacon Sammiches".
>
> Before having any dealings with anyone, either personal or business,
> split a bacon sandwich with them. If they won't eat it, they're not
> to be trusted, and you should not have anything else to do with them.
Can I get that with extra bacon, and maybe a slice of ham & some sausage,
maybe with Hot Pork Rinds on the side?
ESL!
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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Is that why the oaths of office end with "So help me God?"
And is that why Congress and the Executive and the Judicial
have throughout our history referred to God in various
official contexts? Your interpretation is not just the opposite
of the fundamentalist crowd; it's just as extreme.
John Griffin
News flash: You can't actually realize anything with a mind as weak as
yours. You can only react to stimuli.
Due to your unprecedented degree of stupidity, you think I said
something was unconstitutional and illegal. I said the people who have
worked so hard to implement anti-discrimination laws would be up in
arms, fool. I also said they'd prevail in a lawsuit. (It always works.
The Catholic Church is big business, and the lady's surname places her
in a designated victim class.)
Please have them read more slowly to you in the future so we might be
able to avoid the necessity of trying to dumb things down to your
imbecile level, imbecile.
JTEM
"John Griffin" <thathi...@yahooie.com> wrote
> News flash: [---nothing---]
I like Coke better than Pepsi.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
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>
>"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
>news:dll4h051ulkeu2l44...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:46 -0400, BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate
>> Mammal) wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
>> <24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>:
>>
>> >"But you've dismissed one of your employees for eating pork in the lunch
>> >room," Holfeld said.
>> >
>> >"Yes, pork is considered unclean," Kweli said.
>> >
>> >The Koran forbids Muslims from eating pork.
>>
>> Time to reiterate "VG's Rule of Bacon Sammiches".
>>
>> Before having any dealings with anyone, either personal or business,
>> split a bacon sandwich with them. If they won't eat it, they're not
>> to be trusted, and you should not have anything else to do with them.
>
>Can I get that with extra bacon, and maybe a slice of ham & some sausage,
>maybe with Hot Pork Rinds on the side?
>
>ESL!
I'm too morally and socially conscious to be a pork rind enabler, but
we can get the rest of it fired up for you.
--
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Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
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Mark K. Bilbo
<6t_Qc.2082$BO....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> we saw our hero "H. Reader"
<history...@verizon.net>:
My "interpretation" is from what Madison wrote. Sorry you don't like our
founders but I can't help that.
Mark K. Bilbo
<3oTQc.2492$dc2...@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com> we saw our hero "Jeff"
<joeki...@pacbll.net>:
Where do you think they get their rulings? Crystal balls? Qujia boards?
They already *know what Madison said. They actually study such things.
Mark K. Bilbo
<LhXQc.1304$eC7....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com> we saw our hero "Jeff"
<joeki...@pacbll.net>:
Are you actually suggesting the judges of the court know less about what
the founders wrote than *I do?
Freddy
> On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:38:34 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
> <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:46 -0400, BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate
> >
> >>
> >>More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
> >>Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
> >>from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
> >>studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with
> >>a "hate crime" and "racism".
> >>
> >>Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
> >
>
>
> Why, yes you are. What do you find trolling about that very
> real news item?
You are a total idiot, DrPostman. C.Lee wasn't referring to the news
item but to the moronic statements about atheists. Once again, you
made an utter fool of yourself.
Jez
I don't like Coke or Pepsi !
I don't think much of chocolate for that matter either..
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
DrPostman
Come on Ferddy, you can do better than that. You have no idea
what I was referring to, you dolt.
This was from several days ago. What took you so long?
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: DrJaiMaharajFraud(at)hotmail.com
"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.
John Griffin
So do I. I don't like Pepsi at all.
Be sure to snip this and make some stupid, irrelevant...oh, wait...you
couldn't possibly make any other kind of remark, and you wouldn't have
balls enough to do it even if your brain suddenly switched from standy mode
into actual functioning.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
<iced_...@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
<41153135$0$20257$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com>:
>JTEM wrote:
>
>> "John Griffin" <thathi...@yahooie.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>>News flash: [---nothing---]
>>
>>
>> I like Coke better than Pepsi.
>
>I don't like Coke or Pepsi !
>
>I don't think much of chocolate for that matter either..
You are not of this Earth.
Raptor514
"Rodrigo Diaz" <Rod...@ElCid.org> wrote in message
news:yHUQc.99953$eM2.27233@attbi_s51...
> Upset, are we?
Idiocy, racism, and bizarrely warped thinking are upsetting to me. It's a
little quirk I have. . .
Did you have anything of substance to add?
Raptor514
JTEM
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
Apparently your interpretation is erroneous. By the way,
what's the motto of the USA?
bob
wrote:
>Cowardly cretin "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "John Griffin" <thathi...@yahooie.com> wrote
>>
>>> News flash: [---nothing---]
>>
>> I like Coke better than Pepsi.
>
>So do I. I don't like Pepsi at all.
Coke is bad for you. It's addicting and it eats into your cash
reserves. I prefer Dr. Pepper or Mountain Dew.
John Griffin
Cannibal. First you show that you're lame, ignorant, dimwitted and
insecure, and now this.
JTEM
"John Griffin" <thathi...@yahooie.com> wrote
> Cannibal.
Does Leo DiCaprio ever wish he was himself? You
know, so he can get the chicks?
Mark K. Bilbo
<QelRc.6419$BO....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> we saw our hero "H. Reader"
<history...@verizon.net>:
You'll have to take it up with Madison.
Jez
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:44:50 +0100, Jez
> <iced_...@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <41153135$0$20257$cc9e...@news-text.dial.pipex.com>:
>
>
>>JTEM wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"John Griffin" <thathi...@yahooie.com> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>News flash: [---nothing---]
>>>
>>>
>>>I like Coke better than Pepsi.
>>
>>I don't like Coke or Pepsi !
>>
>>I don't think much of chocolate for that matter either..
>
>
> You are not of this Earth.
Thank you sir !
GlennGlenn
Bilbo <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
Now *that's* a motto I can rally 'round! Sew it on a banner and run it
up a flag pole!
YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT UP WITH MADISON
Wow. Brings a tear to the eye.
--
GlennGlenn -- aa#825 -- dipthot...@yahoo.yahoo.com.com
"You can make an easy kind of link that, if you have a protest group protesting
a war where the cause that's being fought against is international terrorism,
you might have terrorism at that protest. You can almost argue that a protest
against that is a terrorist act. I've heard terrorism described as anything
that is violent or has an economic impact. Terrorism isn't just bombs going off
and killing people." --Mike van Winkle, a spokesperson for the California
Anti-Terrorism Information Center, another spinoff of the Homeland Security
Department
Mark K. Bilbo
Aug 2004 22:14:38 +0000ipth...@yahoo.yahoo.com.com> we saw our hero
GlennGlenn <dipthot...@yahoo.yahoo.com.com>:
I do get irritated over the "that's your opinion" game when Madison was
*so damn clear what he meant. I don't have to "interpret" it at all. Just
read it.
You know, if that man were alive today, well, Cheney would be accusing him
of "hating America"...
John Griffin
Do the Kindergarten "chicks" run away from you in fear that your mental
miasma could be contagious?
doc
Everybody hates the ACLU until they need them. The problem isn't
liberal atheist women - it's American tax-payers paying for an
educational system that is increasingly critical of America - while
ignoring the abuses of those who oppose us in the world. Somebody
needs to jerk the chain.
Doc
BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal) wrote in message news:<24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>...
> More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
> Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
> from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
> studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with
> a "hate crime" and "racism".
>
> Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
>
> "But you've dismissed one of your employees for eating pork in the lunch
> room," Holfeld said.
>
> "Yes, pork is considered unclean," Kweli said.
>
> The Koran forbids Muslims from eating pork.
>
> And according to Kweli, Morales and every employee at the company is
> advised of the no pork policy.
>
> "Our point of view is to respect the laws of the land and the laws of
> the land as I understand it is to the accommodate people's right to
> practice their religions if you can," Kweli said.
>
> "Even if it impacts other people?" Holfeld asked.
>
> "Well, it always impacts other people," Kweli replied.
>
> Orlando attorney Mark Nejame is close to the Muslim community, Local 6
> News reported. He said Kweli's intentions may cross constitutional
> parameters, according to the report.
>
> "They're making it seem that if you don't follow a certain set of
> religious practices and beliefs then you're going to be terminated and
> that's wrong," Nejame said. "If this case prevails, what it will mean --
> the implications of this case -- is it will eliminate accommodations of
> religion."
>
> Both sides are steadfast in their belief that they are right. Morales is
> taking the company to court charging discrimination, Local 6 News
> reported.
>
> _____
>
> "Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
> of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
> _____
>
> "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
> Agamemnon
> _____
>
> "I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature
>
> ----------
> The mailbox, BunnE...@webtv.net has been circumvented to fight spam.
> To send mail... substitute ModerateMammal
> ----------
JTEM
"John Griffin" <thathi...@yahooie.com> wrote
> Do the [---snip--]
Pizza should have a thin crust, and be cooked fast at a
very high temperature.
Unless it's Sicilian Pizza.
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
Madison didn't misinterpret what he wrote; you did.
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
Here's your problem, genius. You believe that the mentioning
of God is the establishing of religion. In Madison's era, establishing
religion meant, for example, that the state would declare itself
Catholic or Anglican or some other denomination, and Madison's
words were meant to prohibit that kind of establishment of
religion. The idea of and acknowledgment of God was
practically universal and had nothing to do with the
kind of state religious orthodoxy Madison intended
to prohibit.
Mark K. Bilbo
<QpERc.7999$BO....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> we saw our hero "H. Reader"
<history...@verizon.net>:
--
Mark K. Bilbo
<azERc.8010$BO....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> we saw our hero "H. Reader"
<history...@verizon.net>:
You obviously haven't read anything the man wrote.
doc
> Here's your problem, genius. You believe that the mentioning
> of God is the establishing of religion. In Madison's era, establishing
> religion meant, for example, that the state would declare itself
> Catholic or Anglican or some other denomination, and Madison's
> words were meant to prohibit that kind of establishment of
> religion. The idea of and acknowledgment of God was
> practically universal and had nothing to do with the
> kind of state religious orthodoxy Madison intended
> to prohibit.
Many people today are extremely sensitive to religious intrusions into
their lives after the advent of politically militant and aggressive
Christian Fundamentalism. Many of us see little difference between
Christian and Muslim extremists. Mainstream Christians have been far
to silent at the bombings and assasinations committed in this country
by Christian extremists.
Doc
Jeff
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
I believe this should put this discussion to rest:
When James Madison drafted the amendments to the Constitution that were to
become the Bill of Rights, he drew heavily upon the ideas put forth in the
Virginia Declaration of Rights.
The Virginia Declaration of Rights:
Section 16. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the
manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not
by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free
exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it
is the mutual duty of all to practise Christian forbearance, love, and
charity toward each other.
Notroll2004
"doc" <doc_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70df2abc.04080...@posting.google.com...
Christian extremists ala Ashcroft remind me of the line from Eve of
Destruction that goes:
Hate your next door neighbor,
But don't forget to say grace.
(Hate your next door neighbor unless, of course, he lives in your gated
community and looks just like you.)
Mark K. Bilbo
<history...@verizon.net>:
Madison wrote what he wrote. Either read it or not. But don't bitch at me
about it.
Mark K. Bilbo
<history...@verizon.net>:
Madison wrote what he wrote. Read it or not. But don't bitch at me about
it.
There are *reasons the amendment is phrased the way it is.
Mark K. Bilbo
<GtORc.2664$R12....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com> we saw our hero "Jeff"
<joeki...@pacbll.net>:
Madison *said the state should not be cognizant of religion and that the
amendment was to accomplish a "perfect" separation. Not even just a wall
but *total separation.
He also spent a great deal of time warning people about the dangers of
religious encroachment on government. He was very concerned about that.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
alt.fan.art-bell in message
<70df2abc.04080...@posting.google.com>:
>Many people today are extremely sensitive to religious intrusions into
>their lives after the advent of politically militant and aggressive
>Christian Fundamentalism. Many of us see little difference between
>Christian and Muslim extremists.
Others see little difference between you and the typical fence post.
John Griffin
> On 9 Aug 2004 10:22:30 -0700, doc_...@yahoo.com (doc) wrote
>
>>Many people today are extremely sensitive to religious intrusions into
>>their lives after the advent of politically militant and aggressive
>>Christian Fundamentalism. Many of us see little difference between
>>Christian and Muslim extremists.
>
> Others see little difference between you and the typical fence post.
That's for sure.
There are too many differences to list here--or anywhere else, so let's
just pick one of the big ones and try to enlighten the guy and his
"many." Here's a good example. A Mohammedan woman and a Christian
woman are each a victim of rape. The Christians pray for their gal and
try to find the guy who did it. The Moslems give theirs a chance to
repent for the crime of adultery, and then they tie her in a sack and
throw her over a cliff. By god, that seems pretty fucking different.
Another difference is that you won't see any Christians dancing in the
streets if a few of their number find a way to kill a few thousand
innocent people.
Alan Erskine
news:ukvhh01up17m1h2jq...@4ax.com...
> Irrelevant.
So's this whole discussion. Who was the dick... idiot to crosspost this to
so many groups in the first place???
--
Alan Erskine
We can get people to the Moon in five years,
not the fifteen GWB proposes.
Give NASA a real challenge
Alante...@bigpond.com
Aratzio
<alaner...@bigpond.com> transparently proposed:
>"Net Nannies" <n...@nothe.email> wrote in message
>news:ukvhh01up17m1h2jq...@4ax.com...
>
>> Irrelevant.
>
>So's this whole discussion. Who was the dick... idiot to crosspost this to
>so many groups in the first place???
Ummm, you?
xtmprs...@erols.com
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
>
> Let me type more slowly and use smaller words.
Its a waste of time. He'll just shrink his IQ
to a smaller size and still not understand.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
Yeah, well, besides that...
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
So you're really committed to your ignorance. Congratulations.
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
Now all you have to do is figure out what Madison meant by "religion"
and quit asserting your own meaning to Madison ...
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
Right. And you, apparently, don't understand what he wrote.
> Read it or not. But don't bitch at me about
> it.
You're responsible for your ignorance, aren't you?
> There are *reasons the amendment is phrased the way it is.
You have no clue, do you.
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
You've reached the limit of your knowledge and
understanding, haven't you.
Mark K. Bilbo
<OFESc.29916$114....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net> we saw our hero "H. Reader"
<history...@verizon.net>:
I know what I read. Not to mention you display no knowledge of what the
man wrote. You just keep chanting I've "interpreted" it wrong. But how
would you know?
Mark K. Bilbo
<3EESc.29911$114....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net> we saw our hero "H. Reader"
<history...@verizon.net>:
You *still haven't shown yourself able to actually *discuss what the man
himself *wrote. Chanting "nuh uh" at me is seriously underwhelming.
By the way, the door to the killfile is over there...
Mark K. Bilbo
<LyESc.29901$114....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net> we saw our hero "H. Reader"
<history...@verizon.net>:
How would you know? You haven't cited a damn thing the man wrote.
Moderate Mammal
>BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal) writes:
>>alt-a...@org.webmaster (Mark=A0K.=A0Bilbo), Wrote:
>>>On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:29:46 -0400 in
>>>episode
>>><24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.w
>>>btv.net> we saw our hero
>>>BunnE...@webtv.net (Moderate Mammal):
>
>>>>More multi-culturalism via immigration from the
>>>>cesspool of Humanity. Perhaps what is needed
>>>>is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
>>>>from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for
>>>>"sensitivity training" and studies in "tolerance".
>>>>And if they complain we could charge them with
>>>>a "hate crime" and "racism".
>
>>>Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your
>>>silence is killing us.
>
>>>*Moderate? Ranting, raging bigotry is
>>>"moderate?"
>
>>Which "bigotry" would that be? That all of the Christians, Jews, Pagans
>>and Atheists have been removed from Saudi Arabia and Yemen via genocide
>>by Muslims?
>
>In where? Your fevered imagination?
>
In the Sudan, Pakistan, Somalia, Lebanon, Iran, India, Kashmir,
Thailand, Philippines, Nigeria, Cyprus, Bosnia, Russia, Indonesia,
East Timor, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Ethiopia,
Morocco, Algeria, Turkey, Micronesia, et. al.
>>When has the ACLU ever held the Islamic kookdom in this country
>>responsible for forcing their religion upon everyone else? In Michigan
>>for example.
>
>You mean where mosques are held to the same noise standards as
>churches? You mean where the only change in the noise laws was
>REMOVING an exemption for religion, so the same noise laws would
>apply to the mosques and the churches (where previously, churches
>were completely exempt from noise limits)?
>
You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between
Church bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day. The
town was pressured by Left wing nuts not to change the municipal
ordinance.
>>But they do make a federal case out of pettyness such as
>>"God" in the pledge
>
>Because that's a case of the government imposing religion;
>in Michigan, all religions (as well as e.g. political speech)
>is subject to the SAME noise laws.
>
Cut it out already. The US government is _not_ imposing religion.
Perhaps a tin foil hat?
>>or the Easter Bunny putting his paws of public
>>school property.
>
>Schools are not to assume all their students celebrate the
>same religious holidays.
Then why are Muslims exempt from religious position in public schools?
They are offer special rooms for prayer. But a child making a drawing
of the Easter Bunny in Art Class is offensive. You have no problem
with Muslim schoolgirls wearing burkas and other oppressive garb? Or
the well documented teaching of Islam in public schools by left wing
nuts as "cultural diversity" to non Muslim students?
>>When a Priest farts on public property the ACLU organizes an orgy of
>>zealotry but is silent when an Iman publicly calls for the destruction
>>of non Islamic civilization including the teaching of children
>>unspeakable notions that should make any so-called civil libertarian
>>react with the upmost horror.
>
>Examples? Or will you just post ridiculous hyperbole?
>
Every Islamic school and Mosque in the UNITED STATES. Again, well
documented. Try getting your news from somewhere else besides CNN.
Start here:
--
Keith
>>>Words are being so drained of meaning in the
>>>US these days...
>
>>I agree.
>
>Your words are, so far, pretty empty.
>
>---
>Merlyn LeRoy
_____
"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____
"I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature
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Moderate Mammal
<Rapt...@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote:
>
>"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:24862-411...@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
>>
>> More multi-culturalism via immigration from the cesspool of Humanity.
>> Perhaps what is needed is deporting a thousand liberal atheist women
>> from the ACLU to Saudi Arabia or Yemen for "sensitivity training" and
>> studies in "tolerance". And if they complain we could charge them with
>> a "hate crime" and "racism".
>>
>> Yes, there are moderate Atheists but your silence is killing us.
>>
>> --
>> Keith
>
>The news article you quote is a good example of the insanity and ignorance
>of religion.
>
>Your example of liberal, atheist, ACLU women is a good example of
>simple-minded Dittohead thinking.
Spot the irony? I'm as much of a Limbaugh fan as you are. Now, where
is the outrage by liberal, atheist, ACLU women of the treatment of
women by Islam as chattel?
>Your statements about moderate atheists is utterly irrelevant to eating pork
>and getting fired for it.
>
Is it? When are they going to address the issue of Islamic tyranny?
>Your statement equating the Arab world with the "cesspool of Humanity" is
>racist and despicable.
Perhaps you having a reading comprehension problem. I said "Saudi
Arabia" and "Yemen" which are both under the grips of Islamic tyranny
by Muslims. Religion is _not_ a race. Now show me an Arab nation
that practices civilized jurisprudence. Here, let me help:
Run by an _Arab_.
hth
--
Keith
>Raptor514
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
But unfortunately you don't understand it.
> Not to mention you display no knowledge of what the
> man wrote.
As a matter of fact, I've read just about everything
Madison ever wrote.
> You just keep chanting I've "interpreted" it wrong. But how
> would you know?
Probably because I've read a lot of history and
have a couple of degrees in the subject.
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
You, apparently, haven't understood much of what he wrote.
H. Reader
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
Sure I've discussed what he wrote. Can't you read?
> By the way, the door to the killfile is over there...
Ignorant *and* petulant ... how special.
Brian Westley
Got any cites? Of course, you'll have to document that genocide
has taken places, and that NO christians, jews, pagans, or atheists
live in any of the above countries. And, of course, you can't.
No christians in the philippines?! You're a complete moron.
>>>When has the ACLU ever held the Islamic kookdom in this country
>>>responsible for forcing their religion upon everyone else? In Michigan
>>>for example.
>>
>>You mean where mosques are held to the same noise standards as
>>churches? You mean where the only change in the noise laws was
>>REMOVING an exemption for religion, so the same noise laws would
>>apply to the mosques and the churches (where previously, churches
>>were completely exempt from noise limits)?
>>
>You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between
>Church bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day. The
>town was pressured by Left wing nuts not to change the municipal
>ordinance.
Sorry, wingnut, noise limits apply equally to everyone.
>>>But they do make a federal case out of pettyness such as
>>>"God" in the pledge
>>
>>Because that's a case of the government imposing religion;
>>in Michigan, all religions (as well as e.g. political speech)
>>is subject to the SAME noise laws.
>Cut it out already. The US government is _not_ imposing religion.
Yes, it is. Read the 9th circuit opinion (the supreme court said
newdow lacked standing, so they never issued an opinion on the
pledge itself).
>Perhaps a tin foil hat?
>>>or the Easter Bunny putting his paws of public
>>>school property.
>>
>>Schools are not to assume all their students celebrate the
>>same religious holidays.
>Then why are Muslims exempt from religious position in public schools?
They aren't; now you're just lying.
>They are offer special rooms for prayer. But a child making a drawing
>of the Easter Bunny in Art Class is offensive.
Ah, more general statements with no cites to actual events.
>You have no problem
>with Muslim schoolgirls wearing burkas and other oppressive garb?
Do you think the government ought to tell people what religious
clothing they can or can't wear?
>Or
>the well documented teaching of Islam in public schools by left wing
>nuts as "cultural diversity" to non Muslim students?
That lie has been debunked in alt.atheism before, from at least
one firsthand account of the actual school curriculum.
>>>When a Priest farts on public property the ACLU organizes an orgy of
>>>zealotry but is silent when an Iman publicly calls for the destruction
>>>of non Islamic civilization including the teaching of children
>>>unspeakable notions that should make any so-called civil libertarian
>>>react with the upmost horror.
>>
>>Examples? Or will you just post ridiculous hyperbole?
>Every Islamic school and Mosque in the UNITED STATES. Again, well
>documented. Try getting your news from somewhere else besides CNN.
Ah, you opted for "ridiculous hyperbole."
>Start here:
Got any links to specific cites of the claptrap you've claimed above?
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Freddy
> On 06 Aug 2004 05:22:34 GMT, Brian Westley <wes...@visi.com> wrote:
> >You mean where mosques are held to the same noise standards as
> >churches? You mean where the only change in the noise laws was
> >REMOVING an exemption for religion, so the same noise laws would
> >apply to the mosques and the churches (where previously, churches
> >were completely exempt from noise limits)?
> >
> You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between
> Church bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day. The
> town was pressured by Left wing nuts not to change the municipal
> ordinance.
> Keith
Keith, you're making a stupid ass out of yourself. Take some good
advice and stop posting on subjects relating to Islam, atheism and
feminism. I'm not trying to limit your right to free speech, I'm just
trying to save you from the embarrassment of continually making
yourself look like a fool.
Mark K. Bilbo
<64krh0h2ttsn9cu39...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Moderate
Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net>:
> You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between Church
> bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day.
But he's not a bigot folks!
stoney
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:06:52 +0000 in episode
> <64krh0h2ttsn9cu39...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Moderate
> Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net>:
>
>> You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between
>> Church bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day.
>
> But he's not a bigot folks!
Bears don't shit in the woods
The Pope isn't Catholic.
Melissa Joan Hart
<alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:06:52 +0000 in episode
><64krh0h2ttsn9cu39...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Moderate
>Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net>:
>
>> You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between Church
>> bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day.
>
>But he's not a bigot folks!
The "atheist" defending religious kooks.
--
Keith
Mark K. Bilbo
<n9h8i01120j18eict...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Melissa Joan
Hart <Melissa...@Hollywood.com>:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:14:51 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:06:52 +0000 in episode
>><64krh0h2ttsn9cu39...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Moderate
>>Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net>:
>>
>>> You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between
>>> Church bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day.
>>
>>But he's not a bigot folks!
>
> The "atheist" defending religious kooks.
I always wonder why it is people complain that atheists "hate" god and
religion then complain when atheists defend the rights of the religious...
Lets Roll
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:zrudnWzYW9Z...@megapath.net...
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:15:06 +0000 in episode
> <n9h8i01120j18eict...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Melissa Joan
> Hart <Melissa...@Hollywood.com>:
>
> > On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:14:51 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> > <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:06:52 +0000 in episode
> >><64krh0h2ttsn9cu39...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Moderate
> >>Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net>:
> >>
> >>> You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between
> >>> Church bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day.
> >>
> >>But he's not a bigot folks!
> >
> > The "atheist" defending religious kooks.
>
> I always wonder why it is people complain that atheists "hate" god and
> religion then complain when atheists defend the rights of the religious...
>
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that atheists only defend
religions that are alien to the US, and never fail to attack Christianity in
any of its forms.
Christopher A. Lee
<lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
>
>"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
>news:zrudnWzYW9Z...@megapath.net...
>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:15:06 +0000 in episode
>> <n9h8i01120j18eict...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Melissa Joan
>> Hart <Melissa...@Hollywood.com>:
>>
>> > On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:14:51 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>> > <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:06:52 +0000 in episode
>> >><64krh0h2ttsn9cu39...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Moderate
>> >>Mammal <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net>:
>> >>
>> >>> You can't be that stupid not to understand the difference between
>> >>> Church bells and a Islamic crap screaming from a Mosque 6x a day.
>> >>
>> >>But he's not a bigot folks!
>> >
>> > The "atheist" defending religious kooks.
>>
>> I always wonder why it is people complain that atheists "hate" god and
>> religion then complain when atheists defend the rights of the religious...
>>
>
>Maybe it has something to do with the fact that atheists only defend
>religions that are alien to the US, and never fail to attack Christianity in
>any of its forms.
Why do you lie, liar?
People REACT to the negative actions of Christians. Why pretend
otherwise, liar?
Lets Roll
"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:n3ani051hvphfb0gi...@4ax.com...
Oh, you mean atheists are on record for attacking other religions? Which
ones? I don't remember seeing any headline stories about atheists throwing
any of their foaming at the mouth fits over any other religions except
Christianity, and they have been doing their darndest to eradicate every
trace of it from America.
And while I am no devout practitioner of any particular religion, I do
wonder about a couple of things.
First, even though I don't profess to be any kind of Christian per se, I do
recognize that as an American the history of my country, my government, my
culture, and my national identity are inextricably intertwined with the
Christian religion. Whether I like it or not, Christianity is a part of
_who_ I _am_. I _like_ Santa Claus. I _like_ the Easter Bunny. I think it
was pretty cool that the words "under God" were added to our pledge in a
political move as a sort of psychological warfare against communism, and as
a reaffirmation of who we are as a people and a nation. I like it that our
Constitution is based on Christian principles, and my favorite is the part
that says, "We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable
rights...". But you know what? God help the Jehovah's Witness that turns
up on my door step. I don't when was the last time I stepped foot in a
church. Years. And don't think I will miss out on much if I manage to
avoid it all the way to my grave. But that does not negate the fact that my
world in every context of society, culture, government, history, politics,
the whole essence of this lump of land designated as America is founded on
and based on Christian principles, and I revel in the fact that it is. It
is part of what makes "Us Americans" _who_ we are. I don't care what you
believe in, if you grew up in America, you are the _product of_ a culture
based in Christianity and that indelibly and inevitably colors _who_ you
are.
Second, I recognize that no matter how I feel about supreme beings, the
manner in which they should or should not be worshiped, and the order of the
universe, there are a butt load of people out there who need an emotional
crutch to make through the days and weeks and years of their lives from time
to time, and some more than others. It is called faith. It is a human
condition. People have to believe in _something_. "I believe I'll have
another beer" will only get you so far in difficult situations. With the
exception of a few well placed assholes around the Pennsylvania Avenue area,
you don't see them running around flying planes into buildings and strapping
bombs to their butts. (and I wish at least one asshole in the Whitehouse
would have the decency to strap a bomb to his own ass and set it off - in
Mexico City) That is a plus. And not only that, since the radicals of one
religion are already foaming at the mouth, do you really want to keep
pushing until the radicals of another religion get wound up and start
retaliating in kind? I would rather they just keep right on believing in
Santa Claus and passing the collection plates. Outside providing nearly
every nuance of my existence, they otherwise have no noticeable impact on my
day to day life. Well, I take that back. They do impact my day to day life
in a most serious way that I find reprehensible. And that is the number of
Christian based organizations who are supportive of, even aiding and
abetting, illegal immigration and erasing our borders.
Third, if you get your wish, and Christianity is abolished and eradicated
from history and culture, _people have to believe in something_, so that
means whether you intend it or not, _something_ _will_ fill in the void left
after it is vanquished from your sight. Right now, Islam is the odds on
favorite to replace it. And whatever it is that is so offensive to you
about having Christian foundations, I _guarantee_ you, you would _not_ like
the replacement model. And there would be one. Faith. A human condition.
Fourth, as I mentioned above, there might just be a link between apparent
government endorsement of colonization by Mexico and radical Islamic
terrorism which claims Jihad on Christians in general and Americans
specifically. I wonder if our government perceives the threat of Islam in a
larger global sense, as put forth in "Clash of Civilizations", and has found
our contemporary America so weakened by secularism that they think it
necessary to swamp the country with quadrillions of Catholic Hispanics to
preserve even semblance of the nation founded under the Declaration of
Independence. There is an ugly conundrum. Damned if we do, and damned if
we don't.
Fifth, for a people to exist as a united nation, there must exist at least
some common elements to bind them together in their union. We are seeing a
rift in the first glue that binds, as Spanish is now being recognized as our
second national language. Regional divisions are erupting, with large
infusions of cultures at odds with each other and especially with the host
American culture beginning to dominate large areas. Towns in Detroit with
prayer calls all day, and towns in Texas whose official town language is
Spanish, Florida with more than 60% of its population foreign born, the
predominance of transnational corporations, etc. And you would eradicate
the one and only thing remaining to this loosely associated millions of
people which gives them any commonality with each other at all, perhaps
removing any possibility of continued cohesiveness in the face of the other
onslaughts against our sovereignty, our heritage, our culture, and our
national identity.
Just out of curiosity, how exactly have Christians acted negatively towards
you that you are so rabidly set to eradicate their existence?
(And what is it with these assholes that compels them to launch every
conversation with ad hominem attacks and childish name calling?)
johnny@.
I agree with you completely! I don't think there are very many true
atheists, except for George Bush, who claims god told him to take out
Saddam.
The ACLU is destroying the United States and should be eliminated.
Brian Westley
>"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:n3ani051hvphfb0gi...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:25:25 -0500, "Lets Roll"
>> <lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
...
>> >Maybe it has something to do with the fact that atheists only defend
>> >religions that are alien to the US, and never fail to attack Christianity in
>> >any of its forms.
>>
>> Why do you lie, liar?
>>
>> People REACT to the negative actions of Christians. Why pretend
>> otherwise, liar?
>Oh, you mean atheists are on record for attacking other religions? Which
>ones? I don't remember seeing any headline stories about atheists throwing
>any of their foaming at the mouth fits over any other religions except
>Christianity, and they have been doing their darndest to eradicate every
>trace of it from America.
Perhaps that's due to your pig-ignorance, and your marked
determination to remain so.
>And while I am no devout practitioner of any particular religion, I do
>wonder about a couple of things.
>First, even though I don't profess to be any kind of Christian per se, I do
>recognize that as an American the history of my country, my government, my
>culture, and my national identity are inextricably intertwined with the
>Christian religion. Whether I like it or not, Christianity is a part of
>_who_ I _am_. I _like_ Santa Claus. I _like_ the Easter Bunny.
They aren't part of the Christian religion.
>I think it
>was pretty cool that the words "under God" were added to our pledge in a
>political move as a sort of psychological warfare against communism, and as
>a reaffirmation of who we are as a people and a nation.
No, that was due to a rather poisonous combination of jingoism
and religious fanaticism.
>I like it that our
>Constitution is based on Christian principles, and my favorite is the part
>that says, "We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable
>rights...".
How can that possibly be your favorite part of the constitution?
THAT PHRASE ISN'T IN THE CONSTITUTION. It's part of a declaration
written by a British colony.
Get lost.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Christopher A. Lee
<lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
>> People REACT to the negative actions of Christians. Why pretend
>> otherwise, liar?
>
>Oh, you mean atheists are on record for attacking other religions? Which
>ones? I don't remember seeing any headline stories about atheists throwing
>any of their foaming at the mouth fits over any other religions except
>Christianity, and they have been doing their darndest to eradicate every
>trace of it from America.
If I'd meant that I would have said that, liar. But I neither said
that nor meant that, liar.
What is it with your in-your-face hatred for ordinary decent people?
And your lies about why they react the way they do to your
in-your-face hatred for them and your sheer nastiness toward them?
You must be a Christian. You're typical of the ones posting here.
Lets Roll
"Brian Westley" <wes...@visi.com> wrote in message
news:412bfbd1$0$8079$a186...@newsreader.visi.com...
> "Lets Roll" <lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> writes:
> >"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >news:n3ani051hvphfb0gi...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:25:25 -0500, "Lets Roll"
> >> <lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
> ...
> >> >Maybe it has something to do with the fact that atheists only defend
> >> >religions that are alien to the US, and never fail to attack
Christianity in
> >> >any of its forms.
> >>
> >> Why do you lie, liar?
> >>
> >> People REACT to the negative actions of Christians. Why pretend
> >> otherwise, liar?
>
> >Oh, you mean atheists are on record for attacking other religions? Which
> >ones? I don't remember seeing any headline stories about atheists
throwing
> >any of their foaming at the mouth fits over any other religions except
> >Christianity, and they have been doing their darndest to eradicate every
> >trace of it from America.
>
> Perhaps that's due to your pig-ignorance, and your marked
> determination to remain so.
>
Determined? Really? Here is your opportunity to enlighten me.
Provide some links to stories about atheists blowing smoke and slinging snot
about over some religion other than Christianity.
> >And while I am no devout practitioner of any particular religion, I do
> >wonder about a couple of things.
>
> >First, even though I don't profess to be any kind of Christian per se, I
do
> >recognize that as an American the history of my country, my government,
my
> >culture, and my national identity are inextricably intertwined with the
> >Christian religion. Whether I like it or not, Christianity is a part of
> >_who_ I _am_. I _like_ Santa Claus. I _like_ the Easter Bunny.
>
> They aren't part of the Christian religion.
>
No, they are not religious icons. But we damned sure wouldn't have them if
our culture were not rooted in Chrisitianity.
> >I think it
> >was pretty cool that the words "under God" were added to our pledge in a
> >political move as a sort of psychological warfare against communism, and
as
> >a reaffirmation of who we are as a people and a nation.
>
> No, that was due to a rather poisonous combination of jingoism
> and religious fanaticism.
>
I suppose a communist _would_ see the addition of two words as "religious
fanaticism". Considering the words were inserted -in part - to cause
consternation for communists, I'm glad they are still having their intended
effect, and that you find them repugnant. Your existence spells out the
very reason why they must remain.
You disparage having any sense of national identity, and defy any expression
of patriotic unity. Another expected response from a communist/socialist.
I wonder how the signers of the Declaration ever found the nerve to set pen
to paper without a little dose of what you term "jingoism". Do you think
maybe Betsy Ross harbored any "jingoism" as she stitched and sewed? I don't
guess there was any "jingoism" involved when the North fought to retain the
South in the Union, either, was there? Without a good portion of what you
call "jingoism" thrown into the mix, you would probably either be a
lampshade or speaking Japanese. I'm not any fan of dicking around in the
Middle East -which is a whole other topic - , but maybe if there were a
little more cohesive sense of what you call "jingoism" we wouldn't have
_individuals_ over there _capable_ of performing the Abu Gareb scenario.
Maybe if those kids had been sent over there filled with a little more
"jingoism", as you call it, and not as empty vessels waiting to be filled
with hatred, they would have arrived with a sense of higher calling that
would have placed them outside being capable of performing the acts they
did.
The use of the word "jingoism" to deliver an insult is just about as tired,
worn, and weak as is use of the word "racism".
We could do with a _lot_ more national unity - "jingoism".
And knowing folks like you are around, makes me want to get downright
belligerent in patriotism, to offset the damage you are doing with your
desire to enforce disunity through intimidation.
> >I like it that our
> >Constitution is based on Christian principles, and my favorite is the
part
> >that says, "We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable
> >rights...".
>
> How can that possibly be your favorite part of the constitution?
> THAT PHRASE ISN'T IN THE CONSTITUTION. It's part of a declaration
> written by a British colony.
>
My gaff. You are correct. The Declaration of Independence. The document
that set off the first round of jingoism and set fire to this thing we call
a united nation. The whole thing started because of rights endowed by some
"Creator". What ever in the heck that means, huh?
> Get lost.
>
You invited yourself into the conversation.
> ---
> Merlyn LeRoy
Christopher A. Lee
<lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
>
>Determined? Really? Here is your opportunity to enlighten me.
>Provide some links to stories about atheists blowing smoke and slinging snot
>about over some religion other than Christianity.
Even the moron's demand is based on a lie.
What part of NOBODY WOULD GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT CHRISTIANS AND
CHRISTIANITY IF YOU LYING HYPOCRITES COULD ONLY LIVE AND LET LIVE are
you pretending you don't understand?
Stop pretending you don't know the difference between an action and a
natural human reaction which wouldn't even happen if you sociopaths
weren't so-your-face nasty.
Lets Roll
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:06:52 -0500, "Lets Roll"
> <lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
>
> >> People REACT to the negative actions of Christians. Why pretend
> >> otherwise, liar?
> >
> >Oh, you mean atheists are on record for attacking other religions? Which
> >ones? I don't remember seeing any headline stories about atheists
throwing
> >any of their foaming at the mouth fits over any other religions except
> >Christianity, and they have been doing their darndest to eradicate every
> >trace of it from America.
>
> If I'd meant that I would have said that, liar. But I neither said
> that nor meant that, liar.
>
Well, what are you saying? The only words I see are ad hominem attacks and
insults, but not a word of content.
> What is it with your in-your-face hatred for ordinary decent people?
You are categorizing yourself as "ordinary" and "decent"?
I haven't seen any indication in your posts that indicate you are either
one.
In fact, the two posts I have read from you indicate pretty much the
opposite: that you are subhuman and aggressively anti-social.
> And your lies about why they react the way they do to your
> in-your-face hatred for them and your sheer nastiness toward them?
>
Errr... you just described your own behavior in the only two posts you have
made in conversation with me.
> You must be a Christian. You're typical of the ones posting here.
>
Actually, no. I'm not Christian.
But that doesn't prevent me from recognizing in-your-face hatred and sheer
nastiness when I see it.
If you engage everyone on those terms, it is no wonder you have so many
disagreements with people.
Elroy Willis
> I suppose a communist _would_ see the addition of two words as "religious
> fanaticism". Considering the words were inserted -in part - to cause
> consternation for communists, I'm glad they are still having their intended
> effect, and that you find them repugnant. Your existence spells out the
> very reason why they must remain.
Do you actually equate communism with atheism?
One cannot be an atheist without also being a communist, in your
mind?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
Christopher A. Lee
<lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
>
>"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:j8koi0lnmcff6iccp...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:06:52 -0500, "Lets Roll"
>> <lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> People REACT to the negative actions of Christians. Why pretend
>> >> otherwise, liar?
>> >
>> >Oh, you mean atheists are on record for attacking other religions? Which
>> >ones? I don't remember seeing any headline stories about atheists
>throwing
>> >any of their foaming at the mouth fits over any other religions except
>> >Christianity, and they have been doing their darndest to eradicate every
>> >trace of it from America.
>>
>> If I'd meant that I would have said that, liar. But I neither said
>> that nor meant that, liar.
>
>Well, what are you saying? The only words I see are ad hominem attacks and
>insults, but not a word of content.
No, liar. I called you a liar for lying. I called you nasty for your
nastiness. Neither of which are "Ad hominems and insults".
Do you honestly imagine that your own "I don't remember seeing any
headline stories about atheists throwing any of their foaming at the
mouth fits over any other religions except Christianity, and they have
been doing their darndest to eradicate every trace of it from
America." ISN'T deliberate in-your-face nastiness and lies?
Get that beam out of your own eye first, hypocrite. Before pretending
that the REACTION to that kind of nastiness and slanderous falsehood
is something it isn't.
Tiny Human Ferret
> "Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:n3ani051hvphfb0gi...@4ax.com...
>
<chomp>
And not only that, since the radicals of one
> religion are already foaming at the mouth, do you really want to keep
> pushing until the radicals of another religion get wound up and start
> retaliating in kind?
Ah, they've already been doing that. Lunatics have been blowing up
abortion clinics and stalking and terrorising the practitioners of that
legal medical procedure.
<snips>
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
Tiny Human Ferret
<snips>
> What part of NOBODY WOULD GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT CHRISTIANS AND
> CHRISTIANITY IF YOU LYING HYPOCRITES COULD ONLY LIVE AND LET LIVE are
> you pretending you don't understand?
What I always find rather astonishing about many Xians is that they
could live a perfectly Christian life by following only two simple
rules: "as you would have others do unto you, do ye also unto them", and
"if it causes no harm, do as you will, and let others do the same".
Brian Westley
Sure; here's a thread on the very same subject (the woman being fired
for eating pork); notice they aren't kind to the Muslim boss:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4110fe94.752999%40news.mylinuxisp.com
..and follow the thread.
Here's another recent thread slamming Islam:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4d62b9bc.0408161109.71fb436%40posting.google.com
For the best Hinduism slamming, see some old threads with Janhu,
a Hindu who achieved official AA kook status, something you are
way too lame to for:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=N.072296.125555.50%40ozemail.com.au
Or, for that matter, almost anything by Stix in alt.atheism
Here he is slamming a Muslim:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=36458041.51300554%40news.ozemail.com.au
Here he is slamming Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=370e8448.15503988%40news.ozemail.com.au
(assuming you don't consider them actual Christians)
And, of course, your question is nothing new in alt.atheism:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35353096.1E1%40tacks.stupidity
>> >And while I am no devout practitioner of any particular religion, I do
>> >wonder about a couple of things.
>>
>> >First, even though I don't profess to be any kind of Christian per se, I
>do
>> >recognize that as an American the history of my country, my government,
>my
>> >culture, and my national identity are inextricably intertwined with the
>> >Christian religion. Whether I like it or not, Christianity is a part of
>> >_who_ I _am_. I _like_ Santa Claus. I _like_ the Easter Bunny.
>>
>> They aren't part of the Christian religion.
>No, they are not religious icons. But we damned sure wouldn't have them if
>our culture were not rooted in Chrisitianity.
Why do you say that? The easter bunny is a fertility symbol (rabbits
and eggs), and comes from spring festivals. Christmas was preceeded
by Saturnalia, a solstice festival. There already WERE celebrations
at these inportant seasonal times before Christianity usurped them,
and if Christianity hadn't come along, they would still exist in a
different form. The term "easter" is a corruption of the name of the
goddess Oester.
>> >I think it
>> >was pretty cool that the words "under God" were added to our pledge in a
>> >political move as a sort of psychological warfare against communism, and
>as
>> >a reaffirmation of who we are as a people and a nation.
>>
>> No, that was due to a rather poisonous combination of jingoism
>> and religious fanaticism.
>I suppose a communist _would_ see the addition of two words as "religious
>fanaticism".
That, and the president of the US stating, while he was signing
the act, that:
From this day forward, the millions of our schoolchildren will daily
proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse,
the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty.
Sorry, no matter how you slice it, indoctrinating EVERY school student
into parroting this IS religious fanaticism.
>Considering the words were inserted -in part - to cause
>consternation for communists, I'm glad they are still having their intended
>effect, and that you find them repugnant. Your existence spells out the
>very reason why they must remain.
Ah, so you have no respect for the constitution? Not surprising.
>You disparage having any sense of national identity, and defy any expression
>of patriotic unity. Another expected response from a communist/socialist.
I own WAY too much stock to be a Communist, idiot.
...
>> >I like it that our
>> >Constitution is based on Christian principles, and my favorite is the
>part
>> >that says, "We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable
>> >rights...".
>>
>> How can that possibly be your favorite part of the constitution?
>> THAT PHRASE ISN'T IN THE CONSTITUTION. It's part of a declaration
>> written by a British colony.
>My gaff. You are correct. The Declaration of Independence. The document
>that set off the first round of jingoism and set fire to this thing we call
>a united nation. The whole thing started because of rights endowed by some
>"Creator". What ever in the heck that means, huh?
And it's your "favorite part" of the constitution, eh, brainpan?
That simply shows how little you know of the constitution, and
how little you respect the principles it spells out.
>> Get lost.
>You invited yourself into the conversation.
You entered alt.atheism. I've been here since the place opened.
thomas p
<lets...@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote:
>
>"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-a...@org.webmaster> wrote in message
>news:zrudnWzYW9Z...@megapath.net...
>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:15:06 +0000 in episode
>> <n9h8i01120j18eict...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Melissa Joan
>> Hart <Melissa...@Hollywood.com>:
snip
>> I always wonder why it is people complain that atheists "hate" god and
>> religion then complain when atheists defend the rights of the religious...
>>
>
>Maybe it has something to do with the fact that atheists only defend
>religions that are alien to the US,
Atheists exist all over the world. The part of the world they live in
naturally has an effect on what religions they are usually exposed to.
No doubt atheists in India laugh at the absurdities of Hinduism, or do
you think they only think about Christianity in the US?
>and never fail to attack Christianity in
>any of its forms.
When was the last time an atheist politician suggested that a
Christian was not a citizen? It is the Christians who have the
overwhelming numbers in the US. It is the Christians who do the
effective attacking against anyone who does not accept their dogma.