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Kurt Nicklas
Oct 3, 2012, 10:35:24 PM10/3/12
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I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
seen one candidate dominate another
like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
go on to another topic I thought I was
going to choke on my Cheetos.
As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
covered under Obamacare."
As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
as your debate coach."
Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
<snickers>
seen one candidate dominate another
like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
go on to another topic I thought I was
going to choke on my Cheetos.
As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
covered under Obamacare."
As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
as your debate coach."
Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
<snickers>
deep
Oct 3, 2012, 10:41:38 PM10/3/12
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lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
bites.
Kurt Nicklas
Oct 3, 2012, 10:48:03 PM10/3/12
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Moore are calling it for Mitt.
You lose.
John
Oct 3, 2012, 11:35:27 PM10/3/12
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Jeanne Douglas
Oct 4, 2012, 12:11:04 AM10/4/12
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In article <rotp689v6nmtpo6n4...@4ax.com>,
No, you've got it wrong.
Yes, he spewed nothing but lies, but neither Obama nor Lehrer challenged
him. And most of what he said was a huge tack toward the center; he
basically abandoned the base in this debate.
Al Sharpton just said Romney made mistakes, that several of the things
he committed himself tonight are not going to set well with the right.
And the things he said are going to come back to hurt him in the next 2
debate and in the VP debate. But nobody called him on it while 60
million people were watching.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Yes, he spewed nothing but lies, but neither Obama nor Lehrer challenged
him. And most of what he said was a huge tack toward the center; he
basically abandoned the base in this debate.
Al Sharpton just said Romney made mistakes, that several of the things
he committed himself tonight are not going to set well with the right.
And the things he said are going to come back to hurt him in the next 2
debate and in the VP debate. But nobody called him on it while 60
million people were watching.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Gray Guest
Oct 4, 2012, 3:20:34 AM10/4/12
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Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in news:hlwdjsd2-
D2ADE1.211...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu:
> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
>
Yes, but Al Quada just killed a US ambasador and GM is begging the feds to
let them go and their stock is 1/4 the break even price to get out.
You people are morons. But I'll gove ypu the benefit of the and just call you
a zipperhead.
--
Refusenik #1
D2ADE1.211...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu:
> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
>
let them go and their stock is 1/4 the break even price to get out.
You people are morons. But I'll gove ypu the benefit of the and just call you
a zipperhead.
--
Refusenik #1
max headroom
Oct 4, 2012, 3:28:50 AM10/4/12
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John <john...@oldwest.net> wrote in news:SJCdnW9MnfWemfDN...@earthlink.com:
> deep wrote:
>> You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
>> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
>> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
>> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
>> bites.
> Are you really that ignorant?
Yes.
> deep wrote:
>> You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
>> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
>> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
>> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
>> bites.
> Are you really that ignorant?
Steve
Oct 4, 2012, 4:22:37 AM10/4/12
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Democrats have lots of excuses, but it's clear that Obama is in way
over his head.
BroilJAB
Oct 4, 2012, 5:00:26 AM10/4/12
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My family and I watched agog as Obama
went down to a shattering defeat at the hands
of Governour Romney. Obama held his head
down, outstretched his hand reaching for an
absent cigarette butt, and mumbled the first
hour. All the while, Mitt Romney drove home
bullet points with ease and confidence. Check
google: virtually ALL reporting and ALL polls
show Mitt Romney won decisively.
went down to a shattering defeat at the hands
of Governour Romney. Obama held his head
down, outstretched his hand reaching for an
absent cigarette butt, and mumbled the first
hour. All the while, Mitt Romney drove home
bullet points with ease and confidence. Check
google: virtually ALL reporting and ALL polls
show Mitt Romney won decisively.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 4, 2012, 7:35:49 AM10/4/12
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>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
>You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
>lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts.
"Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
debate, but it was Romney who pounced. Even some Democratic partisans
grudgingly acknowledged that Romney had a good debate, saying he did
fine..."
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=8835050
"We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
about his answers. NBC's Chuck Todd says that Obama "wasn't crisp,
seemed to lose his train of thought." And "Meet the Press" moderator
David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/10/who-won-the-presidential-debate-mitt-romney-or-president-obama.html
"Romney wasn't stellar, but Obama fell short."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/opinion/schroeder-presidential-debate/index.html
"Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
opportunities to challenge his rival."
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=8835050
Then there was the predictions from local tpg political "experts."
[chuckle]
LOL....Obama is going to kick conservative ass in the debates. -TMT
Grab the popcorn and pull up a chair...we have a national bitch slap
session coming where Obama is going to mop the floor with Romney's
ass. -TMT
Yep. I just wonder how long he thinks he can keep going spewing
whatever right wing talking point is appropriate for the time. Clearly
he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Obama is going to
bitch slap him to death. - Deep Dudu
Yep. It's going to be another Kennedy/Nixon moment. Just watch.
-Deep Dudu
Obama is about twice as smart as Romney. Romney is
a dumbass Mormon who is completely out of touch with reality. Obama
is going to destroy him. -Deep Dudu
[chuckle]
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
>You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
>lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts.
debate, but it was Romney who pounced. Even some Democratic partisans
grudgingly acknowledged that Romney had a good debate, saying he did
fine..."
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=8835050
"We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
about his answers. NBC's Chuck Todd says that Obama "wasn't crisp,
seemed to lose his train of thought." And "Meet the Press" moderator
David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/10/who-won-the-presidential-debate-mitt-romney-or-president-obama.html
"Romney wasn't stellar, but Obama fell short."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/opinion/schroeder-presidential-debate/index.html
"Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
opportunities to challenge his rival."
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=8835050
Then there was the predictions from local tpg political "experts."
[chuckle]
LOL....Obama is going to kick conservative ass in the debates. -TMT
Grab the popcorn and pull up a chair...we have a national bitch slap
session coming where Obama is going to mop the floor with Romney's
ass. -TMT
Yep. I just wonder how long he thinks he can keep going spewing
whatever right wing talking point is appropriate for the time. Clearly
he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Obama is going to
bitch slap him to death. - Deep Dudu
Yep. It's going to be another Kennedy/Nixon moment. Just watch.
-Deep Dudu
Obama is about twice as smart as Romney. Romney is
a dumbass Mormon who is completely out of touch with reality. Obama
is going to destroy him. -Deep Dudu
[chuckle]
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 8:25:18 AM10/4/12
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conservatives are too stupid to have noticed.
>Al Sharpton just said Romney made mistakes, that several of the things
>he committed himself tonight are not going to set well with the right.
>And the things he said are going to come back to hurt him in the next 2
>debate and in the VP debate. But nobody called him on it while 60
>million people were watching.
himself. Obama knew Romney was destroying himself with his base.
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 8:25:39 AM10/4/12
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:35:27 -0500, John <john...@oldwest.net>
wrote:
You are, if you think anything Romney said was what he actually meant.
wrote:
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 8:27:54 AM10/4/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:22:37 -0400, Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com>
wrote:
I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
was probably right.
wrote:
the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
was probably right.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 4, 2012, 8:36:30 AM10/4/12
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>I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>was probably right.
LOL
>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>was probably right.
LOVE IT!
When Romney moves center, he's "pandering."
When Obama moves center, he's just trying to get along with everyone
and it's a good thing.
Too funny.
Desperate, but funny.
Meanwhile......
Syd M.
Oct 4, 2012, 10:27:29 AM10/4/12
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You rightards were gonna smugly claim that Romney won the debate
regardless.
Syd M.
Oct 4, 2012, 10:28:47 AM10/4/12
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On Oct 4, 5:00 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> My family and I watched agog as Obama
> went down to a shattering defeat at the hands
> of Governour Romney.
More BroilJAB lies.
> My family and I watched agog as Obama
> went down to a shattering defeat at the hands
> of Governour Romney.
Fred2
Oct 4, 2012, 10:36:36 AM10/4/12
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Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>seen one candidate dominate another like Mitt did
i hope this rightard commits suicide and also takes out his family
>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>seen one candidate dominate another like Mitt did
when obama wins the election. lol.
Fred2
Oct 4, 2012, 10:37:51 AM10/4/12
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Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another<snickers>
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>I went to bed early, secure that Obama was going to bleed out.
"bleed out white" you should have said. lol.
bet you the rightards are shitting themselves in frustration that
their corporate tax fraud got assfucked on national television.
max headroom
Oct 4, 2012, 10:24:34 AM10/4/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in news:7vvq68t2buidp371d...@4ax.com:
Boy, you really ARE that stupid, aren't ya?
Both candidates began "pandering" to the moderates as soon as their nominations were secured. It's
how the game is played in the USA. Conservatives won't vote for Beloved Leader; pinkies won't vote
for Romney, so they're fighting over the center now in the only ways they know-- Romney offering
less government and taxes, Obama offering more goodies.
>>Al Sharpton just said Romney made mistakes, that several of the things
>>he committed himself tonight are not going to set well with the right.
>>And the things he said are going to come back to hurt him in the next 2
>>debate and in the VP debate. But nobody called him on it while 60
>>million people were watching.
> I think Obama was just being nice and giving him enough rope to hang
> himself. Obama knew Romney was destroying himself with his base.
Suuuuuure he was. Uh-huh.
Look up "whistling past the graveyard"....
Both candidates began "pandering" to the moderates as soon as their nominations were secured. It's
how the game is played in the USA. Conservatives won't vote for Beloved Leader; pinkies won't vote
for Romney, so they're fighting over the center now in the only ways they know-- Romney offering
less government and taxes, Obama offering more goodies.
>>Al Sharpton just said Romney made mistakes, that several of the things
>>he committed himself tonight are not going to set well with the right.
>>And the things he said are going to come back to hurt him in the next 2
>>debate and in the VP debate. But nobody called him on it while 60
>>million people were watching.
> I think Obama was just being nice and giving him enough rope to hang
> himself. Obama knew Romney was destroying himself with his base.
Look up "whistling past the graveyard"....
3196 Dead
Oct 4, 2012, 11:05:40 AM10/4/12
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threw the teabaggers under the bus.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 4, 2012, 11:16:12 AM10/4/12
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>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Like Obama has thrown the left wing gun grabbers under the bus, you
mean?
[chuckle]
mean?
[chuckle]
3196 Dead
Oct 4, 2012, 11:27:31 AM10/4/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:36:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>
>>I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
>>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>>was probably right.
>
> LOL
>
> LOVE IT!
>
> When Romney moves center, he's "pandering."
It was definitely his Etch-a-Sketch moment.
>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>
>>I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
>>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>>was probably right.
>
> LOL
>
> LOVE IT!
>
> When Romney moves center, he's "pandering."
So, he just backed away from every reason you had for supporting him.
How do you feel about that?
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 4, 2012, 11:30:06 AM10/4/12
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>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:36:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>
>>>I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
>>>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>>>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>>>was probably right.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> LOVE IT!
>>
>> When Romney moves center, he's "pandering."
>
>It was definitely his Etch-a-Sketch moment.
>
>So, he just backed away from every reason you had for supporting him.
>How do you feel about that?
I don't support him, bong-breath. How do you feel about that?
>
>>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>
>>>I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
>>>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>>>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>>>was probably right.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> LOVE IT!
>>
>> When Romney moves center, he's "pandering."
>
>It was definitely his Etch-a-Sketch moment.
>
>So, he just backed away from every reason you had for supporting him.
>How do you feel about that?
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 11:47:37 AM10/4/12
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grabbers under the bus I mean. Do you even know what the expresssion
"to throw under the bus" means?
>
>[chuckle]
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 11:48:20 AM10/4/12
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 15:27:31 +0000 (UTC), 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:36:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>
>>>I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
>>>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>>>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>>>was probably right.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> LOVE IT!
>>
>> When Romney moves center, he's "pandering."
>
>It was definitely his Etch-a-Sketch moment.
>
>So, he just backed away from every reason you had for supporting him.
>How do you feel about that?
He's too stupid and rabidly anti-Obama to have noticed.
wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:36:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>
>>>I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
>>>the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
>>>smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
>>>was probably right.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> LOVE IT!
>>
>> When Romney moves center, he's "pandering."
>
>It was definitely his Etch-a-Sketch moment.
>
>So, he just backed away from every reason you had for supporting him.
>How do you feel about that?
STEADY EDDY
Oct 4, 2012, 11:49:27 AM10/4/12
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On Oct 4, 5:25 am, deep <d...@dudu.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:11:04 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:11:04 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>
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>
>
> >In article <rotp689v6nmtpo6n409nvnaanjml2ou...@4ax.com>,
Seriously, do you think Romney's base will flock to Obama? Romney beat
the President in the debate hands down. The president looked very
tired and confused. Basically, the economic numbers are improving but,
not fast enough to help the president. The funny thing is that the
economy is "on the right track" and improving. Job growth is slow
because the equities markets are always a leading indicator, not a
lagging indicator. Usually, the markets must be on an upswing for a 12
to 18 months before job growth trends higher. I believe companies will
be hiring around the first quarter of next year. Too late for the
president. I think the debate may be a game changer.
Steve
Oct 4, 2012, 12:50:20 PM10/4/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:25:18 -0600, deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote:
>
>
>I think Obama was just being nice and giving him enough rope to hang
>himself. Obama knew Romney was destroying himself with his base.
<ROTFL> How deep into denial can the leftist fools go?
>
>
>I think Obama was just being nice and giving him enough rope to hang
>himself. Obama knew Romney was destroying himself with his base.
Steve
Oct 4, 2012, 12:50:20 PM10/4/12
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SaPeIsMa
Oct 4, 2012, 12:57:03 PM10/4/12
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"Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f39afdb1-9c27-42bc...@a17g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
No "lie" there, except in your perverted universe.
He's also not the only one with that opinion
<http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/debate-5-things-learned/>
Hadrien Feraud
Oct 4, 2012, 12:58:19 PM10/4/12
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"Steve" wrote in message news:7qer68p3ft5608u1e...@4ax.com...
Just how deep is the Marianas Trench anyway?
MarkA
Oct 4, 2012, 1:02:24 PM10/4/12
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER seen
> one candidate dominate another
> like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing for a
> teleprompter at the next meeting. He sounded downright incoherent at
> times. And when he asked Lehrer to go on to another topic I thought I was
> going to choke on my Cheetos.
>
> As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
> covered under Obamacare."
>
> As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry as
> your debate coach."
>
> Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>
> <snickers>
Did Obama have a Hunchback-of-Notre-Dame type radio receiver under his
> I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER seen
> one candidate dominate another
> like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing for a
> teleprompter at the next meeting. He sounded downright incoherent at
> times. And when he asked Lehrer to go on to another topic I thought I was
> going to choke on my Cheetos.
>
> As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
> covered under Obamacare."
>
> As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry as
> your debate coach."
>
> Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>
> <snickers>
sports coat, like GW did during his debates? I didn't get to watch it.
Maybe Obama's debate coach could ask where GW got his.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 1:55:23 PM10/4/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 12:50:20 -0400, Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com>
wrote:
not nearly as far as you.
Find somebody to explain this to you, moron.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
wrote:
Find somebody to explain this to you, moron.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
RD Sandman
Oct 4, 2012, 2:36:41 PM10/4/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in news:rotp689v6nmtpo6n409nvnaanjml2ouhan@
4ax.com:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
neither was completely honest. Most folks with an opinion, including
some of those on Team Obama seemed to feel that Romney won that debate.
That includes CNN, Fox (no surprize) and the MSM.
--
Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,
And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman)
4ax.com:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
> You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
> bites.
>
Interesting.....Factcheck came away with errors on both sides. Seems
> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
> bites.
>
neither was completely honest. Most folks with an opinion, including
some of those on Team Obama seemed to feel that Romney won that debate.
That includes CNN, Fox (no surprize) and the MSM.
--
Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,
And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman)
RD Sandman
Oct 4, 2012, 2:50:56 PM10/4/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in news:rotp689v6nmtpo6n409nvnaanjml2ouhan@
4ax.com:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
> You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
> bites.
Here, read this:
4ax.com:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
> You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
> bites.
http://tinyurl.com/8zu9kzu
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 2:54:25 PM10/4/12
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shallow conservative "undecideds", but I challenge you to list any of
the details on Romney's plan on cutting the deficit or his plan to
completely scrap and replace the ACA with his own. Anything at all?
Does anyone have any clue what all those meaningless words Romney
spewed actually mean?
RD Sandman
Oct 4, 2012, 3:03:19 PM10/4/12
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MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2012.10.04....@nowhere.invalid:
That mystery been cleared up. Bush didn't have one.
news:pan.2012.10.04....@nowhere.invalid:
RD Sandman
Oct 4, 2012, 3:05:58 PM10/4/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in news:gnmr685j8891tu9p5omp5tt56oc04o9uu9@
4ax.com:
Actually he did mention some specifics. Of course, since he would be
looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in with a "my way or
the hiway" would not have the correct thing to do. So, yes he did give
some specifics but they were vague. Just specifics do you think Obama
gave on cutting the deficit?
4ax.com:
looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in with a "my way or
the hiway" would not have the correct thing to do. So, yes he did give
some specifics but they were vague. Just specifics do you think Obama
gave on cutting the deficit?
deep
Oct 4, 2012, 3:14:04 PM10/4/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:58 -0500, RD Sandman
Examples of his "specifics" were as detailed as increasing revenue by
"eliminating loopholes and ending exemptions". Which ones? Just how
many loopholes and exemptions will it take to cut the deficit.
Especially when he wants to increase the military for some unknown
reason.
"eliminating loopholes and ending exemptions". Which ones? Just how
many loopholes and exemptions will it take to cut the deficit.
Especially when he wants to increase the military for some unknown
reason.
RD Sandman
Oct 4, 2012, 3:21:50 PM10/4/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in
news:1tnr685n1j5pf4og0...@4ax.com:
I notice that you did not answer the question about Obama's details on
cutting the deficit.
news:1tnr685n1j5pf4og0...@4ax.com:
cutting the deficit.
MarkA
Oct 4, 2012, 5:32:28 PM10/4/12
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:03:19 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
> news:pan.2012.10.04....@nowhere.invalid:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>> seen one candidate dominate another
>>> like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing for
>>> a teleprompter at the next meeting. He sounded downright incoherent at
>>> times. And when he asked Lehrer to go on to another topic I thought I
>>> was going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>>
>>> As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>> covered under Obamacare."
>>>
>>> As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>> as your debate coach."
>>>
>>> Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>
>>> <snickers>
>>
>> Did Obama have a Hunchback-of-Notre-Dame type radio receiver under his
>> sports coat, like GW did during his debates? I didn't get to watch it.
>> Maybe Obama's debate coach could ask where GW got his.
>>
>>
> That mystery been cleared up. Bush didn't have one.
His posture was terrible! Glad his chiropractor straightened him out!
> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
> news:pan.2012.10.04....@nowhere.invalid:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>> seen one candidate dominate another
>>> like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing for
>>> a teleprompter at the next meeting. He sounded downright incoherent at
>>> times. And when he asked Lehrer to go on to another topic I thought I
>>> was going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>>
>>> As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>> covered under Obamacare."
>>>
>>> As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>> as your debate coach."
>>>
>>> Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>
>>> <snickers>
>>
>> Did Obama have a Hunchback-of-Notre-Dame type radio receiver under his
>> sports coat, like GW did during his debates? I didn't get to watch it.
>> Maybe Obama's debate coach could ask where GW got his.
>>
>>
> That mystery been cleared up. Bush didn't have one.
Scout
Oct 4, 2012, 6:51:33 PM10/4/12
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"deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:l10r685vlppsqg6j3...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:35:27 -0500, John <john...@oldwest.net>
> wrote:
>
>>deep wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>deep wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>>>
>>>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>>>covered under Obamacare."
>>>>
>>>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>>>as your debate coach."
>>>>
>>>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>>
>>>><snickers>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>>>
>>>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>>>covered under Obamacare."
>>>>
>>>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>>>as your debate coach."
>>>>
>>>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>>
>>>><snickers>
>>>
>>>
>>> You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
>>> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
>>> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
>>> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
>>> bites.
>>
>>Are you really that ignorant?
>>> lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts. And I suppose you
>>> don't notice the guy looks like a deer in the headlights. He's
>>> clearly terrified and can do nothing but parrot right wing sound
>>> bites.
>>
>
> You are, if you think anything Romney said was what he actually meant.
Like how nothing you say is actually what you mean?
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 4, 2012, 7:34:12 PM10/4/12
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>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Are you fucking illiterate as well as stupid? Or did being illiterate
CAUSE you to be stupid?
Which came first?
>And wouldn't that be a good thing for you? To throw the gun
>grabbers under the bus I mean. Do you even know what the expresssion
>"to throw under the bus" means?
It's always a good thing when you gun grabbers get thrown under the
bus.
It's not a good thing for you, though.
But Obama is just pandering to the NRA, hoping they won't come after
him.
CAUSE you to be stupid?
Which came first?
>And wouldn't that be a good thing for you? To throw the gun
>grabbers under the bus I mean. Do you even know what the expresssion
>"to throw under the bus" means?
bus.
It's not a good thing for you, though.
But Obama is just pandering to the NRA, hoping they won't come after
him.
3196 Dead
Oct 4, 2012, 10:38:12 PM10/4/12
to
and leave you a helpless cunt?
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 5, 2012, 8:10:20 AM10/5/12
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Think you can set your bong aside long enough to do that, fatso?
3196 Dead
Oct 5, 2012, 9:11:10 AM10/5/12
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grabber?
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 5, 2012, 9:23:05 AM10/5/12
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about Obama, after claiming that I was "always whining" about it?
Admit that you're a lying sack of shit first, then I'll tell you.
3196 Dead
Oct 5, 2012, 9:58:53 AM10/5/12
to
interested in that.
Have you had a change of heart?
Dance some more for us.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 5, 2012, 10:13:24 AM10/5/12
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Show me the words you want to hold me to.
duke
Oct 5, 2012, 5:04:39 PM10/5/12
to
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:41:38 -0600, deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>
>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>covered under Obamacare."
>>
>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>as your debate coach."
>>
>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>
>><snickers>
>
>You must be drunk or watched a different debate. All Romney had was
>lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts.
All his opponent could offer was total failure. You just gotta understand the
>lots more bullshit talk with no details or facts.
logistics.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
********************************************
Kelsey Bjarnason
Oct 5, 2012, 5:48:20 PM10/5/12
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[snips]
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
> about his answers.
> And "Meet the Press" moderator
> David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
> opportunities to challenge his rival."
These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show". Maybe this
election should be between Statham and Cruise, since it's apparently not
about the actual issues or the facts involved.
And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
Yeesh.
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
> about his answers.
> And "Meet the Press" moderator
> David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
> opportunities to challenge his rival."
These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show". Maybe this
election should be between Statham and Cruise, since it's apparently not
about the actual issues or the facts involved.
And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
Yeesh.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 5, 2012, 8:07:30 PM10/5/12
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>Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>[snips]
>
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>
>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
>> about his answers.
>
>> And "Meet the Press" moderator
>> David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
>
>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
>> opportunities to challenge his rival."
>
>These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show".
What the fuck do you think these things are? They're not real debates
by any stretch of the imagination.
>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>Yeesh.
As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect
the guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>[snips]
>
>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>
>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
>> about his answers.
>
>> And "Meet the Press" moderator
>> David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
>
>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
>> opportunities to challenge his rival."
>
>These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show".
by any stretch of the imagination.
>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>Yeesh.
the guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
Kelsey Bjarnason
Oct 5, 2012, 10:05:43 PM10/5/12
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>Yeesh.
>
> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
Every now and then, during some of the creation/evolution debates, one of
>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>Yeesh.
>
> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
the actual scientists would be left dumbfounded, lost for a meaningful
response. This was not because he didn't know his stuff, but because the
point his opponent raised was so far out of touch with reality it
required a complete shift of paradigm just to figure out *how* he could
fuck it up that badly.
As to the other, one might consider that with Romney's track record of
spewing not merely unsupportable but in fact impossible claims and
figures, Obama shouldn't even have needed to show up; if Mitt's *own*
side isn't asking him what the fuck he's been smoking, they shouldn't be
judged competent to chew gum, let alone vote.
Kelsey Bjarnason
Oct 5, 2012, 10:08:56 PM10/5/12
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[snips]
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:58 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
> Actually he did mention some specifics. Of course, since he would be
> looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in with a "my way or
> the hiway" would not have the correct thing to do. So, yes he did give
> some specifics but they were vague.
"So, yes, he did give some specifics but they were vague."
Let me guess: you're a Romney supporter. How'd the encephalectomy go?
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:58 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
> Actually he did mention some specifics. Of course, since he would be
> looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in with a "my way or
> the hiway" would not have the correct thing to do. So, yes he did give
> some specifics but they were vague.
Let me guess: you're a Romney supporter. How'd the encephalectomy go?
3196 Dead
Oct 5, 2012, 10:40:20 PM10/5/12
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
of fact in just 38 minutes, and while he was at it, did his Etch-a-Sketch
thing and threw you right wingers under the bus.
And his campaign strategist calls that "good campaign strategy".
America's just a joke to you people, isn't it?
Kurt Nicklas
Oct 5, 2012, 10:48:05 PM10/5/12
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How's that going?
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 6, 2012, 2:06:25 AM10/6/12
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In article <k4o3ln$sbj$3...@dont-email.me>,
Yeah, I don't know why they're not (okay, that was a lie, I know it's
because they have no intention of throwing away their "win" no matter
what).
Romney declared policies 180 degrees from what he's been running on
since last year. Completely opposite.
Either he lied Wednesday night or he's been lying for over a year.
Me, personally, I think everything out of his mouth up and including
Wednesday night has been a lie.
Heard a great new "reason" for Obama's tired presentation--it was his
20th anniversary so of course he and Michelle celebrated before the
debate and he was drained.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
because they have no intention of throwing away their "win" no matter
what).
Romney declared policies 180 degrees from what he's been running on
since last year. Completely opposite.
Either he lied Wednesday night or he's been lying for over a year.
Me, personally, I think everything out of his mouth up and including
Wednesday night has been a lie.
Heard a great new "reason" for Obama's tired presentation--it was his
20th anniversary so of course he and Michelle celebrated before the
debate and he was drained.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 6, 2012, 2:09:11 AM10/6/12
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In article <k4o5me$44u$5...@dont-email.me>, 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
And they seem to be so incredibly stupid and/or brainwashed that they
didn't even notice it???
> And his campaign strategist calls that "good campaign strategy".
>
> America's just a joke to you people, isn't it?
Maher came up with his theory of why Romney's running: Just as JFK
fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White House
so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to be that
1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
wrote:
didn't even notice it???
> And his campaign strategist calls that "good campaign strategy".
>
> America's just a joke to you people, isn't it?
fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White House
so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to be that
1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
Steve
Oct 6, 2012, 4:50:47 AM10/6/12
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 02:40:20 +0000 (UTC), 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:
It seems that if a far left freak's base beliefs are shattered, they
become frenetic.
I picture Zepp getting ready for the debates, plunked down on his
shabby couch with food and drink at the ready, ever so sure that his
hero would vanquish the foe. Then, his grin slowly faded as it
became clear that Clint Eastwood's empty chair scenario was being
played out for real.
wrote:
become frenetic.
I picture Zepp getting ready for the debates, plunked down on his
shabby couch with food and drink at the ready, ever so sure that his
hero would vanquish the foe. Then, his grin slowly faded as it
became clear that Clint Eastwood's empty chair scenario was being
played out for real.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 6, 2012, 6:23:58 AM10/6/12
to
>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
>> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
>Every now and then, during some of the creation/evolution debates[..]
>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
>> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
Try and focus on what we're talking about.
>As to the other, one might consider that with Romney's track record of
>spewing not merely unsupportable but in fact impossible claims and
>figures, Obama shouldn't even have needed to show up;
Just the empty chair.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 6, 2012, 6:24:55 AM10/6/12
to
>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>[snips]
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>>>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>>>
>>>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>>>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
>>>> about his answers.
>>>
>>>> And "Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory says that Obama was
>>>> "decidedly unfeisty."
>>>
>>>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
>>>> opportunities to challenge his rival."
>>>
>>>These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show".
>>
>> What the fuck do you think these things are? They're not real debates by
>> any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
>> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
>Obvious you consider them of no value
"Them" What's the "them" you're referring to? The answers? The ones
>
>>>Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>[snips]
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>>>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>>>
>>>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>>>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
>>>> about his answers.
>>>
>>>> And "Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory says that Obama was
>>>> "decidedly unfeisty."
>>>
>>>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
>>>> opportunities to challenge his rival."
>>>
>>>These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show".
>>
>> What the fuck do you think these things are? They're not real debates by
>> any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
>> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
>Obvious you consider them of no value
Obama should know, and shouldn't have to think about?
Face it, the guy is a fucking retard.
Dakota
Oct 6, 2012, 7:27:47 AM10/6/12
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game. :)
Al Gore suggested the reason was the altitude change. I know that when
I moved to Denver from Des Moines, it took several weeks to get used
to the thinner air. Why Obama would have a greater problem than Romney
is unexplained though. Obama was in Las Vegas for a couple of days
before the debate. Elevation there is about 2200 feet. Romney was in
Massachusetts. The elevation in Boston varies between about 18 feet to
about 330 feet.
My guess is that Obama was up for much of the previous night dealing
with some crisis. Perhaps Turkey's pending attack on Syria. We'll
probably never know what was on his mind during the debates.
linuxgal
Oct 6, 2012, 10:17:15 AM10/6/12
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Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> Maher came up with his theory of why Romney's running: Just as JFK
> fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White House
> so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to be that
> 1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
>
Maher is trapped in the left-wing paradigm of victim politics. People
> Maher came up with his theory of why Romney's running: Just as JFK
> fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White House
> so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to be that
> 1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
>
are sorted into groups based on historical grievances, and power is
about showing "The Man" what's what. But in actually, Romney believes
he can do better than Obama on the economy and foreign policy. No
religion or skin color involved.
--
Conservatives fear that you won't understand their proposals; liberals
fear that you will.
max headroom
Oct 6, 2012, 11:02:47 AM10/6/12
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Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote in news:k4p4jd$ksm$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 10/6/2012 1:06 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> Heard a great new "reason" for Obama's tired presentation--it was his
>> 20th anniversary so of course he and Michelle celebrated before the
>> debate and he was drained.
> That's why coaches tell their players to refrain from sex before the game. :)
Hasn't anyone seen the photos of the Obamas on-stage before the debate? That is not a photo of a
couple who shared a night of passion the previous night.
> Al Gore suggested the reason was the altitude change....
Yeah, Glenn, Pat, & Stu have been having a ball with that clip.
> ... I know that when
Trying to get laid?
> ... Perhaps Turkey's pending attack on Syria....
Perhaps the press reporting that millions of dollars in campaign contributions were coming from
pre-paid, unsecured credit cards, possibly from overseas.
Perhaps Romney bringing up Beloved Leader hiding subpoenaed documents from Congress.
Perhaps Romney asking why there was no investigative team on the ground in Benghazi yet.
Perhaps that NAACP official reporting being threatened by an Obama campaign director.
Perhaps it was only the sand trap on the eighth hole that has his number....
> ... We'll probably never know what was on his mind during the debates.
Sure we will. He'll be writing his third autobiography next year.
> On 10/6/2012 1:06 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> Heard a great new "reason" for Obama's tired presentation--it was his
>> 20th anniversary so of course he and Michelle celebrated before the
>> debate and he was drained.
> That's why coaches tell their players to refrain from sex before the game. :)
couple who shared a night of passion the previous night.
> Al Gore suggested the reason was the altitude change....
Yeah, Glenn, Pat, & Stu have been having a ball with that clip.
> ... I know that when
> I moved to Denver from Des Moines, it took several weeks to get used
> to the thinner air. Why Obama would have a greater problem than Romney
> is unexplained though. Obama was in Las Vegas for a couple of days
> before the debate. Elevation there is about 2200 feet. Romney was in
> Massachusetts. The elevation in Boston varies between about 18 feet to
> about 330 feet.
> My guess is that Obama was up for much of the previous night dealing
> with some crisis....
> to the thinner air. Why Obama would have a greater problem than Romney
> is unexplained though. Obama was in Las Vegas for a couple of days
> before the debate. Elevation there is about 2200 feet. Romney was in
> Massachusetts. The elevation in Boston varies between about 18 feet to
> about 330 feet.
> My guess is that Obama was up for much of the previous night dealing
Trying to get laid?
> ... Perhaps Turkey's pending attack on Syria....
Perhaps the press reporting that millions of dollars in campaign contributions were coming from
pre-paid, unsecured credit cards, possibly from overseas.
Perhaps Romney bringing up Beloved Leader hiding subpoenaed documents from Congress.
Perhaps Romney asking why there was no investigative team on the ground in Benghazi yet.
Perhaps that NAACP official reporting being threatened by an Obama campaign director.
Perhaps it was only the sand trap on the eighth hole that has his number....
> ... We'll probably never know what was on his mind during the debates.
Sure we will. He'll be writing his third autobiography next year.
Phlip
Oct 6, 2012, 11:17:32 AM10/6/12
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On Oct 3, 7:35 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
> seen one candidate dominate another
> like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight.
And you simply don't mind Mitt did it by repudiating all the fascism
> I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
> seen one candidate dominate another
> like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight.
you hold dear...
Kurt Nicklas
Oct 6, 2012, 11:28:47 AM10/6/12
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always been, Phlop. I know it and even Michael Moore and Chris
Matthews
know it.
3196 Dead
Oct 6, 2012, 12:01:50 PM10/6/12
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:08:56 +0000, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> [snips]
>
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:58 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
>
>> Actually he did mention some specifics. Of course, since he would be
>> looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in with a "my way or
>> the hiway" would not have the correct thing to do. So, yes he did give
>> some specifics but they were vague.
>
> "So, yes, he did give some specifics but they were vague."
Vague specifics. That's a keeper.
> [snips]
>
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:58 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
>
>> Actually he did mention some specifics. Of course, since he would be
>> looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in with a "my way or
>> the hiway" would not have the correct thing to do. So, yes he did give
>> some specifics but they were vague.
>
> "So, yes, he did give some specifics but they were vague."
Steve
Oct 6, 2012, 1:34:26 PM10/6/12
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high places.
RD Sandman
Oct 6, 2012, 2:40:34 PM10/6/12
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Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in news:k4nkj3$nu0$3@dont-
email.me:
> [snips]
>
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>
>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
>> about his answers.
>
>> And "Meet the Press" moderator
>> David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
>
>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
>> opportunities to challenge his rival."
>
> These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show". Maybe this
> election should be between Statham and Cruise, since it's apparently
not
> about the actual issues or the facts involved.
Interesting that facts wise both made several errors. Neither one had a
monopoly on the truth.
> And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
> leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>
> Yeesh.
>
>
--
Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,
And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman)
email.me:
> [snips]
>
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>
>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too much
>> about his answers.
>
>> And "Meet the Press" moderator
>> David Gregory says that Obama was "decidedly unfeisty."
>
>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious, missing
>> opportunities to challenge his rival."
>
> These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show". Maybe this
> election should be between Statham and Cruise, since it's apparently
not
> about the actual issues or the facts involved.
monopoly on the truth.
> And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
> leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>
> Yeesh.
>
>
Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,
And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman)
RD Sandman
Oct 6, 2012, 2:42:19 PM10/6/12
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RD Sandman
Oct 6, 2012, 2:44:46 PM10/6/12
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3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:k4o5me$44u$5...@dont-email.me:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>[snips]
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>>>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>>>
>>>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>>>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too
>>>> much about his answers.
>>>
>>>> And "Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory says that Obama was
>>>> "decidedly unfeisty."
>>>
>>>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious,
>>>> missing opportunities to challenge his rival."
>>>
>>>These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show".
>>
>> What the fuck do you think these things are? They're not real debates
>> by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect
>> the guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
> Obvious you consider them of no value, since Romney made 27
> misstatements of fact in just 38 minutes,
Who did you get that count from, Ed Schultz?
Oh, BTW, if there were that many, you should have no problem producing
some of them in here. While you are at it, you can produce Obama's right
alongside. Or would you rather go read Factcheck and Politfact or AP?
and while he was at it, did
> his Etch-a-Sketch thing and threw you right wingers under the bus.
>
> And his campaign strategist calls that "good campaign strategy".
>
> America's just a joke to you people, isn't it?
Just truth is to you.
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>[snips]
>>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:35:49 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Many people say that President Barack Obama looked relaxed in the
>>>> debate, but it was Romney who pounced.
>>>
>>>> "We saw people commenting on Twitter that Romney seemed more
>>>> well-rehearsed and that President Obama seemed to be thinking too
>>>> much about his answers.
>>>
>>>> And "Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory says that Obama was
>>>> "decidedly unfeisty."
>>>
>>>> "Obama's performance is being described by some as cautious,
>>>> missing opportunities to challenge his rival."
>>>
>>>These all sound like "Obama didn't put on as good a show".
>>
>> What the fuck do you think these things are? They're not real debates
>> by any stretch of the imagination.
>>
>>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect
>> the guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
> Obvious you consider them of no value, since Romney made 27
> misstatements of fact in just 38 minutes,
Oh, BTW, if there were that many, you should have no problem producing
some of them in here. While you are at it, you can produce Obama's right
alongside. Or would you rather go read Factcheck and Politfact or AP?
and while he was at it, did
> his Etch-a-Sketch thing and threw you right wingers under the bus.
>
> And his campaign strategist calls that "good campaign strategy".
>
> America's just a joke to you people, isn't it?
RD Sandman
Oct 6, 2012, 2:45:27 PM10/6/12
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Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in
news:hlwdjsd2-E7F513...@news.giganews.com:
Is Maher your favorite newscaster?
news:hlwdjsd2-E7F513...@news.giganews.com:
RD Sandman
Oct 6, 2012, 2:49:54 PM10/6/12
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Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in news:k4o3ro$sbj$4@dont-
email.me:
Don't give up your day job.
How'd the encephalectomy go?
They tried to make my head as big as yours, but simply couldn't. Yours
was too far advanced.
email.me:
How'd the encephalectomy go?
was too far advanced.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 6, 2012, 2:51:57 PM10/6/12
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>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:23:05 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:10:20 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:34:12 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:16:12 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:27:54 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:22:37 -0400, Steve
>>>>>>>>>> <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:23:05 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:10:20 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:34:12 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:16:12 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:27:54 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:22:37 -0400, Steve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>>>>>>>>>><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>EVER seen one candidate dominate another like Mitt did over The
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>>>>>>>>>><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>EVER seen one candidate dominate another like Mitt did over The
>>>>>>>>>>>>Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing for a teleprompter
>>>>>>>>>>>>at the next meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lehrer to go on to another topic I thought I was going to choke
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Cheetos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked
>>>>>>>>>>>>Ass is covered under Obamacare."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick
>>>>>>>>>>>>John Kerry as your debate coach."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><snickers>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>at the next meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lehrer to go on to another topic I thought I was going to choke
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Cheetos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked
>>>>>>>>>>>>Ass is covered under Obamacare."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick
>>>>>>>>>>>>John Kerry as your debate coach."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><snickers>
>>>>>>>>>>>
Did you find those words you want to hold me to yet? I'm still
waiting....................
[drumming_fingers.wav]
3196 Dead
Oct 6, 2012, 3:17:26 PM10/6/12
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Right?
3196 Dead
Oct 6, 2012, 3:19:41 PM10/6/12
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web.
>
> Oh, BTW, if there were that many, you should have no problem producing
> some of them in here. While you are at it, you can produce Obama's
> right alongside. Or would you rather go read Factcheck and Politfact or
> AP?
>
How about this one, bubbles?
> Oh, BTW, if there were that many, you should have no problem producing
> some of them in here. While you are at it, you can produce Obama's
> right alongside. Or would you rather go read Factcheck and Politfact or
> AP?
>
http://tucsoncitizen.com/hispanic-politico/2012/10/05/mitt-romneys-debate-
performance-consisted-of-27-myths-within-38-minutes-talk-time/
3196 Dead
Oct 6, 2012, 3:26:39 PM10/6/12
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:45:27 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
Rick Anderson
Oct 6, 2012, 3:33:43 PM10/6/12
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"3196 Dead" wrote in message news:k4q0lf$u15$1...@dont-email.me...
So are the entire casts of ABC,CBS, FOX, CNN,NBC, etc.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 6, 2012, 3:42:10 PM10/6/12
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my words" you were just a lying sack of shit, and that you have no
fucking idea WHAT I might have said, right?
Gray Guest
Oct 6, 2012, 3:52:39 PM10/6/12
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Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:cfe3fb6e-23f9-491d-84ab-
c256f8...@i2g2000pbi.googlegroups.com:
Is that the best you got?
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Gray Guest
Oct 6, 2012, 3:54:07 PM10/6/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in news:f40r68lbmpm4a7t0i62ruqg44d9tgn2t9d@
4ax.com:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:22:37 -0400, Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
so we'll just move on.
--
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4ax.com:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:22:37 -0400, Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>
>>>I've seen a lot of presidential debates but don't know if I've EVER
>>>seen one candidate dominate another
>>>like Mitt did over The Empty Chair tonight. O's going to be pushing
>>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>>
>>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>>covered under Obamacare."
>>>
>>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>>as your debate coach."
>>>
>>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>
>>><snickers>
>>
>>I went to bed early, secure that Obama was going to bleed out. The
>>Democrats have lots of excuses, but it's clear that Obama is in way
>>over his head.
>
> I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
> the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
> smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
> was probably right.
Nice interpetation. But it is clear your mental processes aren't very good,
>>>for a teleprompter at the next meeting.
>>>He sounded downright incoherent at times. And when he asked Lehrer to
>>>go on to another topic I thought I was
>>>going to choke on my Cheetos.
>>>
>>>As Dennis Miller said in a twitter: "Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is
>>>covered under Obamacare."
>>>
>>>As Michael Moore tweeted: "This is what happens when u pick John Kerry
>>>as your debate coach."
>>>
>>>Oh, well, lefties....you can always blame it on Bush, right?
>>>
>>><snickers>
>>
>>I went to bed early, secure that Obama was going to bleed out. The
>>Democrats have lots of excuses, but it's clear that Obama is in way
>>over his head.
>
> I guess you aren't smart enough to realize Rmoney completely abandoned
> the right wing in that one and was hoping stupid fucks like you aren't
> smart enough to realize he was pandering to the moderates. In that he
> was probably right.
so we'll just move on.
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Gray Guest
Oct 6, 2012, 3:55:42 PM10/6/12
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deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in news:0qbr68t82v54fv083db3ludbov0vpcdntm@
4ax.com:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:16:12 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:27:54 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>
> grabbers under the bus I mean. Do you even know what the expresssion
> "to throw under the bus" means?
>
>>
>>[chuckle]
Is it like socialism where we will never understand what it "really" means?
How about this I would like to throw you under a bus and have the tire roll
over your head and watch it burst like a melon.
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4ax.com:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:16:12 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:27:54 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>
>>>That's why I was calling him "notRomney" in my review of the debate. He
>>>threw the teabaggers under the bus.
>>
>>Like Obama has thrown the left wing gun grabbers under the bus, you
>>mean?
>
> Who? And wouldn't that be a good thing for you? To throw the gun
>>>threw the teabaggers under the bus.
>>
>>Like Obama has thrown the left wing gun grabbers under the bus, you
>>mean?
>
> grabbers under the bus I mean. Do you even know what the expresssion
> "to throw under the bus" means?
>
>>
>>[chuckle]
Is it like socialism where we will never understand what it "really" means?
How about this I would like to throw you under a bus and have the tire roll
over your head and watch it burst like a melon.
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Gray Guest
Oct 6, 2012, 4:00:22 PM10/6/12
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Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote in news:k4o3ln$sbj$3@dont-
email.me:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
>> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
dumbfounded On for 2 hours?
How 'bout dis?
Romney successes:
AMC Entertainment
Burger King
Burlington Coat Factory
Clear Channel Communications
Dominos Pizza
Guitar Center
The Sports Authority
Staples
Toys R Us
Warner Music Group
Obama failures:
Solyndra
Ener1
Beacon Power
Abound Solar
Amonix Solar
Spectra Watt
Eastern Energy
And let me conclude that Romney did so by risking HIS OWN MONEY.
Obama lost gambling OUR money.
Or will you need to fact check that, too?
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Refusenik #1
email.me:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>>>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>>>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>>>Yeesh.
>>
>> As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect the
>> guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>
> Every now and then, during some of the creation/evolution debates, one of
> the actual scientists would be left dumbfounded, lost for a meaningful
> response. This was not because he didn't know his stuff, but because the
> point his opponent raised was so far out of touch with reality it
> required a complete shift of paradigm just to figure out *how* he could
> fuck it up that badly.
>
> As to the other, one might consider that with Romney's track record of
> spewing not merely unsupportable but in fact impossible claims and
> figures, Obama shouldn't even have needed to show up; if Mitt's *own*
> side isn't asking him what the fuck he's been smoking, they shouldn't be
> judged competent to chew gum, let alone vote.
Really? What did Mitt say that was so far out of reality rhat it
> the actual scientists would be left dumbfounded, lost for a meaningful
> response. This was not because he didn't know his stuff, but because the
> point his opponent raised was so far out of touch with reality it
> required a complete shift of paradigm just to figure out *how* he could
> fuck it up that badly.
>
> As to the other, one might consider that with Romney's track record of
> spewing not merely unsupportable but in fact impossible claims and
> figures, Obama shouldn't even have needed to show up; if Mitt's *own*
> side isn't asking him what the fuck he's been smoking, they shouldn't be
> judged competent to chew gum, let alone vote.
dumbfounded On for 2 hours?
How 'bout dis?
Romney successes:
AMC Entertainment
Burger King
Burlington Coat Factory
Clear Channel Communications
Dominos Pizza
Guitar Center
The Sports Authority
Staples
Toys R Us
Warner Music Group
Obama failures:
Solyndra
Ener1
Beacon Power
Abound Solar
Amonix Solar
Spectra Watt
Eastern Energy
And let me conclude that Romney did so by risking HIS OWN MONEY.
Obama lost gambling OUR money.
Or will you need to fact check that, too?
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Refusenik #1
Gray Guest
Oct 6, 2012, 4:02:09 PM10/6/12
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Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in news:hlwdjsd2-
0B6FAE.230...@news.giganews.com:
>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:07:30 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>
>> >>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>> >>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>> >>Yeesh.
>> >
>> > As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect
the
>> > guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>>
>> Every now and then, during some of the creation/evolution debates, one
of
>> the actual scientists would be left dumbfounded, lost for a meaningful
>> response. This was not because he didn't know his stuff, but because
the
>> point his opponent raised was so far out of touch with reality it
>> required a complete shift of paradigm just to figure out *how* he could
>> fuck it up that badly.
>>
>> As to the other, one might consider that with Romney's track record of
>> spewing not merely unsupportable but in fact impossible claims and
>> figures, Obama shouldn't even have needed to show up; if Mitt's *own*
>> side isn't asking him what the fuck he's been smoking, they shouldn't be
>> judged competent to chew gum, let alone vote.
>
>>
>> >>And "thinking too much"? Well, yes, after all, one does *not* want a
>> >>leader who actually thinks. That would be horrible.
>> >>Yeesh.
>> >
>> > As opposed to "knowing the fucking answer." I mean, who would expect
the
>> > guy who does this for a living to know the answer?
>>
>> Every now and then, during some of the creation/evolution debates, one
of
>> the actual scientists would be left dumbfounded, lost for a meaningful
>> response. This was not because he didn't know his stuff, but because
the
>> point his opponent raised was so far out of touch with reality it
>> required a complete shift of paradigm just to figure out *how* he could
>> fuck it up that badly.
>>
>> As to the other, one might consider that with Romney's track record of
>> spewing not merely unsupportable but in fact impossible claims and
>> figures, Obama shouldn't even have needed to show up; if Mitt's *own*
>> side isn't asking him what the fuck he's been smoking, they shouldn't be
>> judged competent to chew gum, let alone vote.
>
> Yeah, I don't know why they're not (okay, that was a lie, I know it's
> because they have no intention of throwing away their "win" no matter
> what).
>
> Romney declared policies 180 degrees from what he's been running on
> since last year. Completely opposite.
>
> Either he lied Wednesday night or he's been lying for over a year.
>
> Me, personally, I think everything out of his mouth up and including
> Wednesday night has been a lie.
>
> Heard a great new "reason" for Obama's tired presentation--it was his
> 20th anniversary so of course he and Michelle celebrated before the
> debate and he was drained.
>
Jeannie baby. You can still be a slut, you'll just have to pay for it
> because they have no intention of throwing away their "win" no matter
> what).
>
> Romney declared policies 180 degrees from what he's been running on
> since last year. Completely opposite.
>
> Either he lied Wednesday night or he's been lying for over a year.
>
> Me, personally, I think everything out of his mouth up and including
> Wednesday night has been a lie.
>
> Heard a great new "reason" for Obama's tired presentation--it was his
> 20th anniversary so of course he and Michelle celebrated before the
> debate and he was drained.
>
yourself. Fucking zipperhead.
--
Refusenik #1
max headroom
Oct 6, 2012, 4:02:13 PM10/6/12
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Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote in news:jcq07857uieg3glk2...@4ax.com:
It's called the Peter Principle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
max headroom
Oct 6, 2012, 3:52:20 PM10/6/12
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3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:k4q0lf$u15$1...@dont-email.me:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:45:27 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in
>> news:hlwdjsd2-E7F513...@news.giganews.com:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 13:45:27 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in
>> news:hlwdjsd2-E7F513...@news.giganews.com:
>>> Maher came up with his theory of why Romney's running: Just as JFK
>>> fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White
>>> House so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to
>>> be that 1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
>> Is Maher your favorite newscaster?
> Maher isn't a newscaster, bubbles; he's a comedian.
Except comedians are funny.
>>> fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White
>>> House so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to
>>> be that 1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
>> Is Maher your favorite newscaster?
> Maher isn't a newscaster, bubbles; he's a comedian.
Steve
Oct 6, 2012, 5:11:51 PM10/6/12
to
of Jimmy Carter is going to accept his interpretation of what a
conservative pol said...
3196 Dead
Oct 6, 2012, 6:19:36 PM10/6/12
to
employees, who were fired and some hired back at one-half the wages. Oh,
and the benefits you insist the private sector can provide better than
the government, such as pensions and health coverage, were taken away,
too.
>
> Obama failures:
> Solyndra Ener1 Beacon Power Abound Solar Amonix Solar Spectra Watt
> Eastern Energy
>
> And let me conclude that Romney did so by risking HIS OWN MONEY.
Not one dime of his own money. His parasitic existence has been
> Obama failures:
> Solyndra Ener1 Beacon Power Abound Solar Amonix Solar Spectra Watt
> Eastern Energy
>
> And let me conclude that Romney did so by risking HIS OWN MONEY.
completely risk-free.
Mitchell Holman
Oct 6, 2012, 9:42:40 PM10/6/12
to
linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in news:hL-
dnfX_ZKr1oO3Nn...@giganews.com:
> Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
>> Maher came up with his theory of why Romney's running: Just as JFK
>> fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White House
>> so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to be that
>> 1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
>>
>
> Maher is trapped in the left-wing paradigm of victim politics.
Modern Conseravative: Someone who can take time
out from whining about the liberal media and secular
education and activist judges and the "liberal War
on Christmas" to claim that liberals are obsessed with
victimhood.
dnfX_ZKr1oO3Nn...@giganews.com:
> Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
>> Maher came up with his theory of why Romney's running: Just as JFK
>> fulfilled his father's dream to put an Irish Catholic in the White House
>> so they'd finally be accepted as fully American, Romney wants to be that
>> 1st Mormon in the White House, for the same reason.
>>
>
Modern Conseravative: Someone who can take time
out from whining about the liberal media and secular
education and activist judges and the "liberal War
on Christmas" to claim that liberals are obsessed with
victimhood.
Kurt Nicklas
Oct 6, 2012, 10:05:27 PM10/6/12
to
On Oct 6, 9:42 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote in news:hL-
> dnfX_ZKr1oO3NnZ2dnUVZ_rWdn...@giganews.com:
Modern Liberal: Someone who can take time out from making people
dependent on government to take trips to nude beaches in the
Caribbean.
Sound familiar, Hollowman?
> linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote in news:hL-
> dnfX_ZKr1oO3NnZ2dnUVZ_rWdn...@giganews.com:
dependent on government to take trips to nude beaches in the
Caribbean.
Sound familiar, Hollowman?
Gray Guest
Oct 6, 2012, 10:47:09 PM10/6/12
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3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:k4qapo$9pi$1...@dont-email.me:
Really?
Becuase
AMC Entertainment
Burger King
Burlington Coat Factory
Clear Channel Communications
Warner Music Group
Are there all day every day doing thier thing.
>>
>> Obama failures:
>> Solyndra Ener1 Beacon Power Abound Solar Amonix Solar Spectra Watt
>> Eastern Energy
>>
>> And let me conclude that Romney did so by risking HIS OWN MONEY.
>
> Not one dime of his own money. His parasitic existence has been
> completely risk-free.
Bullshit, how the fuck do you think he became wealthy he gambled his own
money and won.
>>
>> Obama lost gambling OUR money.
>>
>> Or will you need to fact check that, too?
Yeah, no explanation for Obama's losses, then?
You are a parasite.
>
--
Refusenik #1
Becuase
AMC Entertainment
Burger King
Burlington Coat Factory
Dominos Pizza
Guitar Center
The Sports Authority
Staples
Toys R Us
are all present and healthy none more then 30 mins at worst from my home.
Guitar Center
The Sports Authority
Staples
Toys R Us
Clear Channel Communications
Warner Music Group
Are there all day every day doing thier thing.
>>
>> Obama failures:
>> Solyndra Ener1 Beacon Power Abound Solar Amonix Solar Spectra Watt
>> Eastern Energy
>>
>> And let me conclude that Romney did so by risking HIS OWN MONEY.
>
> Not one dime of his own money. His parasitic existence has been
> completely risk-free.
money and won.
>>
>> Obama lost gambling OUR money.
>>
>> Or will you need to fact check that, too?
You are a parasite.
>
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Refusenik #1
3196 Dead
Oct 7, 2012, 12:55:14 AM10/7/12
to
>
> Clear Channel Communications Warner Music Group
>
> Are there all day every day doing thier thing.
>
>
Klaus Schadenfreude
Oct 7, 2012, 7:44:45 AM10/7/12
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>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Hey Bong Breath- did you find "my words" yet? Still looking?
Need help?
Need help?
Man of Mind
Oct 7, 2012, 10:54:16 AM10/7/12
to
On 10/7/2012 6:44 AM, "flawed shrieking fraud" whined:
>
> "flawed shrieking fraud" whimpered for attention:
.........
little mind just reeling or what? [chuckle]
"Stop borrowing from then, then, and start buying guns. Lots and lots of
guns."
"You being ever post with the accusation, while you yourself use an alias."
"I could always blow your brains out and take your Bible."
"You are displaying a total ignorance of "natural rights"
"But since I'm your superior in ever conceivable way"
"I *am* your superior in ever conceivable way"
"This is why the left must be stamped out world-wide."
"You and I need to keep these gun-grabbing monkeys in line"
"It does if you're a socialist gun-grabbing monkey."
--You sound so "superior".. *>LOL!<*
>
> "flawed shrieking fraud" whimpered for attention:
>>
>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:51:57 -0700, "flawed shrieking fraud" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:23:05 -0700, "flawed shrieking fraud" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:10:20 -0700, "flawed shrieking fraud" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:34:12 -0700, "flawed shrieking fraud" wrote:
>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:51:57 -0700, "flawed shrieking fraud" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:23:05 -0700, "flawed shrieking fraud" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:10:20 -0700, "flawed shrieking fraud" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>>>
.........
>>>>>>>>> But Klaudia, aren't you always whining that Obama lives to grab your
>>>>>>>>> guns and leave you a helpless cunt?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I? Why don't you try sobering up and find ONE post as proof,
>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think you can set your bong aside long enough to do that, fatso?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting. So are you saying that you DON'T believe Obama is a gun-
>>>>>>> grabber?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting. So now you're saying you don't know what I've ever said
>>>>>> about Obama, after claiming that I was "always whining" about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I'm just trying to hold you to your words. But you don't seem
>>>>> interested in that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you had a change of heart?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you find those words you want to hold me to yet? I'm still
>>>> waiting....................
Hey, I'm a "CCW'er" and I don't have a permit either. Is your tiny
>>>>>>>>> guns and leave you a helpless cunt?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I? Why don't you try sobering up and find ONE post as proof,
>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think you can set your bong aside long enough to do that, fatso?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting. So are you saying that you DON'T believe Obama is a gun-
>>>>>>> grabber?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting. So now you're saying you don't know what I've ever said
>>>>>> about Obama, after claiming that I was "always whining" about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I'm just trying to hold you to your words. But you don't seem
>>>>> interested in that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you had a change of heart?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you find those words you want to hold me to yet? I'm still
>>>> waiting....................
little mind just reeling or what? [chuckle]
"Stop borrowing from then, then, and start buying guns. Lots and lots of
guns."
"You being ever post with the accusation, while you yourself use an alias."
"I could always blow your brains out and take your Bible."
"You are displaying a total ignorance of "natural rights"
"But since I'm your superior in ever conceivable way"
"I *am* your superior in ever conceivable way"
"This is why the left must be stamped out world-wide."
"You and I need to keep these gun-grabbing monkeys in line"
"It does if you're a socialist gun-grabbing monkey."
--You sound so "superior".. *>LOL!<*
Lee Curtis
Oct 7, 2012, 12:06:42 PM10/7/12
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Oct 5, 10:08 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [snips]
> >
> > On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:58 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
> > > Actually he did mention some specifics. Of course, since he
> > > would be looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in
> > > with a "my way or the hiway" would not have the correct thing to
> > > do. So, yes he did give some specifics but they were vague.
> >
> > "So, yes, he did give some specifics but they were vague."
> >
> > Let me guess: you're a Romney supporter. How'd the encephalectomy
> > go?
>
> Still advocating for open marriages and free love, Barnyardason?
>
> How's that going?
Still advocating for your sky pixie that can solve
all your problems if you bow your head and mumble to him?
> On Oct 5, 10:08 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [snips]
> >
> > On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:58 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:
> > > Actually he did mention some specifics. Of course, since he
> > > would be looking for bi partisanship from Congress, coming in
> > > with a "my way or the hiway" would not have the correct thing to
> > > do. So, yes he did give some specifics but they were vague.
> >
> > "So, yes, he did give some specifics but they were vague."
> >
> > go?
>
> Still advocating for open marriages and free love, Barnyardason?
>
> How's that going?
Still advocating for your sky pixie that can solve
all your problems if you bow your head and mumble to him?
Fred^2
Oct 7, 2012, 12:37:26 PM10/7/12
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does it with wit and style that no rightard could ever match.
Rick Anderson
Oct 7, 2012, 12:50:01 PM10/7/12
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"Fred^2" wrote in message
news:aLqdnd3lEZ5aMuzN...@posted.sonicnet...
"Maher was born in New York City, the son of Julie (n�e Berman), a nurse,
and William Maher, Sr., a network news editor and radio announcer. He was
raised in his Irish American father's Catholic religion, remaining unaware
that his mother was Jewish until his early teenage years. Due to Maher's
father's disagreement with the Catholic Church's position on birth control,
he stopped taking Maher and his sister to Catholic church services when
Maher was thirteen.
"He supports the legalization of marijuana and same-sex marriage, and serves
on the board of PETA"
Maher was born OK, then later became a confused, albeit rich, retard.
Free Lunch
Oct 7, 2012, 1:04:26 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:50:01 -0400, "Rick Anderson" <TheT...@bass.gov>
wrote in alt.atheism:
On most issues he is sensible. He rejects gods and religions. He is
left-libertarian. The only place he goes off the rails is when it comes
to medical woo. He is easily seduced by the quacks.
wrote in alt.atheism:
left-libertarian. The only place he goes off the rails is when it comes
to medical woo. He is easily seduced by the quacks.
RD Sandman
Oct 7, 2012, 1:13:55 PM10/7/12
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--
Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,
And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman)
RD Sandman
Oct 7, 2012, 1:16:14 PM10/7/12
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3196 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:k4q045$u15$1...@dont-email.me:
Is he? I don't know for sure but I can produce his record:
Obama’s Record
"As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an
individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual
right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain
the exercise of that right."
Barack Obama - April 16, 2008, Democratic Primary Debate, National
Constitution Center in Philadelphia
Facts – Obama on Gun Control
·
-Opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an
individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation
of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas
or Scalia.
-Voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault
weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned
most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by
sportsmen.
-Voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms
industry
-Has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and
ammunition.
-Has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership
-Supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.
-Voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense
-Was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the
leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”
-Supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or
park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.
-Supports a ban on inexpensive handguns
-Supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the
money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.
Courtesy of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative
Action
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct
2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct
2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul
2005)
OnTheIssuesLogo
Barack Obama on Gun Control
Junior Senator (IL); President-Elect
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged
with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a
burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County
prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law
introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to
assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions,
such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence
over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the
Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state
senators voting against the measure.
Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois
Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted
against the bill.
On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override
the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an
individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an
individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual
right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain
the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to
private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances
that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal
guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals
don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are
mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns
that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be
selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16,
2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been
on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of
handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that
particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban
on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when
Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit,
Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard
line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate
questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t
reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front
page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr
16, 2008
April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist
April 11th produced "Bittergate." The Huffington Post website posted an
explanation Obama gave at a private fundraiser in San Francisco of the
challenges he faced with working-class voters in Pennsylvania and
Indiana. "It's not surprising they get bitter," he said, referring to
decades of constrained economic opportunities. "They cling to guns or
religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their
frustrations."
Clinton said the remarks were "not reflective of the values and beliefs
of Americans." McCain said Obama showed "breathtaking" elitism. Obama
challenged the accusations, and noted in response to the charge of
elitism that he had been raised by a single mother who relied on food
stamps, but conceded he could have been more diplomatic.
Source: Obama for Beginners, by Bob Neer, p. 61 Apr 1, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”
But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s
constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I
think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of
handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding
citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their
families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of
illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a
community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the
streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms
of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have
reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the
Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and
registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to
provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law
enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that
have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I
intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it
comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun
ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt,
fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the
reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the
streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure
the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully
own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of
firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he
cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not
pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in
cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police
officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law
enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue
on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most
strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control
laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote]
surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record
as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an
exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find
himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--
and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“
It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about
the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to
win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause
of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of
us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year
alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned
down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know
what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books.
We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up
vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not
made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right
here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make
sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those
30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in
Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House
and we don’t have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders
must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also
believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd
because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality.
Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to
acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government
programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The
gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should
pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You
end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law
abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for
Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed
homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control
measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any
limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns,
including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I
think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of
the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21,
2004
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of
firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul
2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or
continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of
firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting
from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a
firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury
or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions
pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was
brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing
ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage
in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety
devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote
number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
And if he wins next month, he will be a lame duck with nothing to lose on
gun control.
Obama’s Record
"As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an
individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual
right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain
the exercise of that right."
Barack Obama - April 16, 2008, Democratic Primary Debate, National
Constitution Center in Philadelphia
Facts – Obama on Gun Control
·
-Opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an
individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation
of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas
or Scalia.
-Voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault
weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned
most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by
sportsmen.
-Voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms
industry
-Has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and
ammunition.
-Has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership
-Supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.
-Voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense
-Was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the
leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”
-Supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or
park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.
-Supports a ban on inexpensive handguns
-Supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the
money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.
Courtesy of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative
Action
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct
2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct
2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul
2005)
OnTheIssuesLogo
Barack Obama on Gun Control
Junior Senator (IL); President-Elect
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged
with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a
burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County
prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law
introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to
assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions,
such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence
over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the
Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state
senators voting against the measure.
Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois
Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted
against the bill.
On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override
the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an
individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an
individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual
right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain
the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to
private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances
that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal
guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals
don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are
mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns
that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be
selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16,
2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been
on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of
handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that
particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban
on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when
Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit,
Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard
line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate
questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t
reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front
page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr
16, 2008
April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist
April 11th produced "Bittergate." The Huffington Post website posted an
explanation Obama gave at a private fundraiser in San Francisco of the
challenges he faced with working-class voters in Pennsylvania and
Indiana. "It's not surprising they get bitter," he said, referring to
decades of constrained economic opportunities. "They cling to guns or
religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their
frustrations."
Clinton said the remarks were "not reflective of the values and beliefs
of Americans." McCain said Obama showed "breathtaking" elitism. Obama
challenged the accusations, and noted in response to the charge of
elitism that he had been raised by a single mother who relied on food
stamps, but conceded he could have been more diplomatic.
Source: Obama for Beginners, by Bob Neer, p. 61 Apr 1, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”
But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s
constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I
think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of
handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding
citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their
families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of
illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a
community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the
streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms
of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have
reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the
Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and
registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to
provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law
enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that
have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I
intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it
comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun
ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt,
fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the
reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the
streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure
the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully
own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of
firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he
cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not
pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in
cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police
officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law
enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue
on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most
strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control
laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote]
surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record
as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an
exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find
himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--
and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“
It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about
the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to
win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause
of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of
us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year
alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned
down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know
what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books.
We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up
vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not
made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right
here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make
sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those
30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in
Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House
and we don’t have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders
must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also
believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd
because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality.
Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to
acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government
programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The
gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should
pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You
end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law
abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for
Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed
homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control
measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any
limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns,
including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I
think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of
the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21,
2004
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of
firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul
2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or
continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of
firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting
from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a
firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury
or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions
pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was
brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing
ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage
in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety
devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote
number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
And if he wins next month, he will be a lame duck with nothing to lose on
gun control.
RD Sandman
Oct 7, 2012, 1:16:40 PM10/7/12
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Thanks......
Here is Time Magazine's look at the two of them lying or misleading on
the campaign trail:
Romney:
1) We are only inches away from no longer being a free economy.
2) I have a plan to create 12 million new jobs.
3) Under Obama's plan (for welfare) you wouldn't have to work and
wouldn't have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check.
4) Romney's plan? Reverse Obama's taxcuts, strengthen our military,
create over 700,000 jobs in Florida.
5) President Obama's trillion dollar federal takeover of the US
healthcare system is a disaster.
6) President Obams told America that if Congress approved his plan to
borrow nearly a trillion dollars, he would hold unemployment below 8%.
7) Where did all the Obama stimulus money go? ...Electric cars from
Finland.
8) We have to open up markets for our goods. Obama has opened none.
9) He was President for the last three and a half years, did nothing on
immigration.
10) (The fact that Obama is) claiming it is unconstitutional for Ohio to
allow servicemen and women estended early voting privileges during the
state's early voting period is an outrage.
Now, Obama:
1) We do not need an outsourcing pioneer in the Oval Office
2) After a decade of decline, this country has created over half a
million new manufacturing jobs.
3) Both Romney and Ryan backed proposals to outlaw abortion, even in
cases of rape and incest.
4) Romney would give millionaires another tax break and raise taxes on
middle class families by up to $2,000 a year.
5) I (Obama) have a balanced plan to reduce our deficit by $4 trillion
over the next decade.
6) We've doubled our use of renewable energy.
7) The way Bain Capital reorganized cost the government and American
taxpayers $10 million.
8) My opponent says the Arizona law should be "a model for the nation".
9) The US is less dependent on foreign oil that at any time in the past
two decades.
10) What rights would Romney deny (for gay couples)? Adopting children
together.
Here is Time Magazine's look at the two of them lying or misleading on
the campaign trail:
Romney:
1) We are only inches away from no longer being a free economy.
2) I have a plan to create 12 million new jobs.
3) Under Obama's plan (for welfare) you wouldn't have to work and
wouldn't have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check.
4) Romney's plan? Reverse Obama's taxcuts, strengthen our military,
create over 700,000 jobs in Florida.
5) President Obama's trillion dollar federal takeover of the US
healthcare system is a disaster.
6) President Obams told America that if Congress approved his plan to
borrow nearly a trillion dollars, he would hold unemployment below 8%.
7) Where did all the Obama stimulus money go? ...Electric cars from
Finland.
8) We have to open up markets for our goods. Obama has opened none.
9) He was President for the last three and a half years, did nothing on
immigration.
10) (The fact that Obama is) claiming it is unconstitutional for Ohio to
allow servicemen and women estended early voting privileges during the
state's early voting period is an outrage.
Now, Obama:
1) We do not need an outsourcing pioneer in the Oval Office
2) After a decade of decline, this country has created over half a
million new manufacturing jobs.
3) Both Romney and Ryan backed proposals to outlaw abortion, even in
cases of rape and incest.
4) Romney would give millionaires another tax break and raise taxes on
middle class families by up to $2,000 a year.
5) I (Obama) have a balanced plan to reduce our deficit by $4 trillion
over the next decade.
6) We've doubled our use of renewable energy.
7) The way Bain Capital reorganized cost the government and American
taxpayers $10 million.
8) My opponent says the Arizona law should be "a model for the nation".
9) The US is less dependent on foreign oil that at any time in the past
two decades.
10) What rights would Romney deny (for gay couples)? Adopting children
together.
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