Um. uh. No.
Faire=Family show. Faire=Historical Reenactment. Faire=Medieval Amusement park
Faire does not equal fetish bar. (Read profile, poster is tickle-fetishist)
Some faires have stocks and such, but mostly they are for show and are unmanned.
I would think for safety's sake, not to mention to avoid LAWSUITS, this would be
frowned upon.
:::squick::
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: Featheredfingers says...
Save your money and try some of the fetish places in West Hollywood
instead.
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Anybody? Is the above correct?
What about devices which held both heads and feet? I don't recall
having seen any pictures of such--has anyone else?
Of course, the point of either is a relatively mild punishment--
the major emphasis is being held up to public ridicule. But, also,
the fact that one is held rather rigidly means a degree of
discomfort and lack of mobility--which can lead to local ruffians,
or one's enemies, throwing things, hitting you, or otherwise
causing a degree of damage. Don't recall any laws about local
officials protecting those in the stocks/pillories, but have seen
iirc, some references to one's friends hanging out to provide
protection. Don't recall any specific references in period to
tickling.
PS: There is historical reference to use of stocks at the Andersonville
prison in the 1860s.
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My book "Inquistion" has them named both stocks or pillories for the type that
you sit down, and stick your feet and hands into and are thus enclosed. It has
a few different styles of them as well. But not the type we are used to seeing
here in america with the head and hand enclosures.
Those types that enclose the hands and head are typically known as "Shrews
Fiddles" but again are not placed in the ground rather, the weight of the wood
is made to bear on the persons wrists, neck and shoulders.
Looking up the word Stocks in my Dictionary of Word Origins I found that the
word Stocking comes from the word "Stick": that into which the foot is "stuck";
also, the "stocks".
WARNING!!!WARNING!!!WARNING!!!
THE FOLLOWING MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO SOME AS IT IS A GRAPHIC DETAIL OF WHAT PEOPLE
IN STOCKS ENDURED. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!
Also from the book is a description of the results of being set into one of
these:
" The victim, with his or her hands and feet locked into the pertinent holes
and bracket irons, was set out in the square, where the mob, in the mildest of
cases, poked him, slapped him and besmirched him with feces and urine:
substances supplied by the ubiquitous chamber pots and open jakes, and smeared
into his mouth, ears, nose, hair, but in many instances he - more often she -
was beaten badly, stoned, burnt, cut and even severly mutilated. Incessant
tickling on the soles of the feet and in the flanks also soon became
unbearable. Only the most innocuous transgressors could hope to get away with
no more than a few black and blue marks and a couple of lumps.
Childrens books, cinema, television and modern image industry generally often
portray the stocks in humorous colours, centered on a grumpy victim being
cajoled and reviled, but always benevolently, by his rough and tumble
neighbors. Reality was different."
This is accompanied with a german woodcut with three men already in the stocks
being sentenced by the judge. Two of them are imploring the judge with gestures
because they know full well what awaits them in the next couple of days.
So I suppose it was best to avoid the stocks of whatever kind!!
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Danicia de Lontra<thef...@danicia.com> wrote:
>Um. uh. No.
>
>Faire=Family show. Faire=Historical Reenactment. Faire=Medieval Amusement park
Danicia, I'm not picking on you, I'm just using your statement as a takeoff
point for a rant.
The three equations you put up there, are mutually incompatibe. Neither
historical re-enactment nor a medieval amusement park will be terribly
complete without things which our oversensitive age considers content not
suitable for children. The English Renaissance had a much more "earthy"
view of sex than our age takes; to take the sex out of the reenactment is to
Bowdlerize the Renaissance. It's also bad business - people come to the
Faire beacuse it's someplace that one can experience an open, celebratory
attitude about sex, rather than hiding one's sexuality from public view
except in somewhat sleazy environments. Or at least, they used to.
Personally, I think saying "The Faire is a Family Show" was the death-knell
of the Living History Center - they tried to "clean up" the show to the
point where people who came for the sexually charged, but not really sleazy,
atmosphere quit coming, while the more conservative people who the LHC was
trying to draw in stayed away anyway, because the Faire could never get
cleaned up *enough* for them.
I'm not arguing that the Faire should allow participants (or customers) to
expose more than may be legally exposed in public, or that they should allow
people to f*** in the street, or have shows with explicit sexual themes, but
they've gone too far, IMO, in the direction of removing any sexual content
from the Faire, including specifically censoring various groups' shows and
hawking lines; some of the lines censored are a real stretch to consider
"offensive" or "lewd".
>Faire does not equal fetish bar. (Read profile, poster is tickle-fetishist)
Yup - this particular fetish doesn't belong out in public at a Renaissance
Faire. If you need to be public with your fetish, there are fetish clubs for
that.
>Some faires have stocks and such, but mostly they are for show and are unmanned.
>I would think for safety's sake, not to mention to avoid LAWSUITS, this would be
>frowned upon.
Actually, at Fair Oaks Tudor faiyre, they had people in the stocks, and you
could throw buckets of water at the person in the stocks; but this was a
supervised activity.
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I think this is a bit of an overgeneralization. Not all Faires started with
the same intents, and not all Faires are frequented by the same kinds of people
and for the same kinds of reasons.
Some faires are more tame than others, and a large percentage of families do
frequent them. Others are as you have described.
I would say that your comments only apply to the latter.
>Danicia, I'm not picking on you, I'm just using your statement as a takeoff
>point for a rant.
Not a problem luv....::smile:: Nothing wrong with different opinions or showing
me a different side of things. If you told me I was a stupid git, then yes,
you'd be picking on me. ::HUGS::
BTW...I absolutely agree with you. I was simply attempting to show that AFR
isn't the kind of thing for fetish stuff. I went to the person's profile and
they have "tickle fetish" written all over it.
And I've seen the water-stocks thing. Always manned by faire employee and is fun
in the heat. ::grin::
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James Sweetland <swee...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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> Historical question--
> IIRC, the devices which hold your feet between two blocks of wood
> (or whatever) are 'stocks', while those which hold your head and
> arms are the 'pillory'. Still in the process of moving, unpacking,
> and getting back from MiRF, so no time to check references.
>
> Anybody? Is the above correct?
> What about devices which held both heads and feet? I don't recall
> having seen any pictures of such--has anyone else?
about faire? See http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/
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