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Peg exclamation point

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Dec 28, 2002, 12:40:06 PM12/28/02
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I was having a conversation with my honey the other day...I was bemoaning the
fact that people at my place of business were hopelessly lost in understanding
me, especially my sense of humour. Some folks have not even heard of Monty
Python, let alone Black Adder or Red Dwarf. But even something as simple as
the "Kiss this guy" calendar seems not to be understood. It's a day at a
glance calendar that gives you one confused lyric a day for a year. I was
tittering over in my cube, and people started wondering what it was I found so
funny. So, I shared a few of them. The obvious one is the Jimi Hendrix lyric
that the calendar is named after. It's supposed to be "Scuse me while I kiss
the sky", but the confused lyrics are "Scuse me while I kiss this guy".

The one that stands out in my memory as being howlingly funny was an ooooold
Cher song called "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves".

The actual lyrics go:
"Gypsies, tramps and theives, and every night the men would come around...and
lay their money down".

The confused lyric was:
"Gypsies, chimpanzees, and every night the men would come around...and lay
their monkey down".

I nearly lost bladder control.

But, the people I work with just kind of looked at me like I had eye stalks (I
don't, do I??? If so, I guess I better call Michael Jackson and ask when the
Homeworld is sending another transport).

The conversations I hear at work mostly tend to be about the most superficial
of topics. Traffic, relationships (and even then, nothing of note or depth),
going out to bars on weekends, coffee table literature, Starbucks, home
decorating via K-Mart, and the ubiquitous sports stuff.

My honey attributes it to their all being hopelessly Muggle. Wow...is there
any place of business out there that is *not* quite so filled with folks
lacking in imagination and wonder (and has decent benefits like health
insurance)?

So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any good
coping mechanisms that you find work?

Lynn/Peg! of the Pyrates Royale
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Dec 28, 2002, 2:22:20 PM12/28/02
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Peg! asks:

>
> So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any
good
> coping mechanisms that you find work?
>
> Lynn/Peg! of the Pyrates Royale

ummm... I don't? heh, I have the privilege of working with mostly
TechnoGeeks. These people do magic for real. Imagine adjusting the orbit of
a satellite by energizing a big magnet in it and pushing & pulling against
the earth's magnetic field using energy gathered by solar cells. That's
magic.

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Gwenllyan

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Dec 28, 2002, 2:43:32 PM12/28/02
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peg! you put it so perfectly :-), methinks that what is lacking in your
office environment is a sense of humor - i have spent my life being looked
at as if i had those same eye-stalks... and i cannot even begin to count the
number of times that, after i have made a (supposed to be) amusing comment
about something that the person i commented to takes a moment and then
"explains" things to me that i "obviously" didn't understand (for example,
the time at college that we were all discussing the mudslides in california
and how odd it must be to stand on the hill and watch your house slide down,
of course, it seemed odder to me to be in the house and watch the hill slide
up.... but the folks around me decided to "explain" that in a mudslide,
things slide down, no really?)

typically what i have done is... well, not much help in the way of advice,
but what has typically happened is that i end up feeling bad about myself,
that there must be something wrong with me that i can't participate in
"normal" conversations... of course, that's not what i should do, but it's
what i have done...

on a more helpful note, what has helped me is to surround myself with people
who do get it, pretend to be a muggle when i am around muggles, and be
myself when i'm around people who get it (like y'all)

at this point, i'm an at home mom, so i can't help much with the workplace
question, but i volunteer a bunch at our church... which happens to have a
huge creative arts department, so i'm typically surrounded by intelligent
creative people who, for the most part, get it... i know what a blessing it
is

i must say, this newsgroup is a blessing as well :-)

oh... and btw, that "lyric" from cher is hysterical!!!!!! thanks for
sharing! :-)

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point at pyrate...@aol.comengetme wrote on 12/28/02 1:40 PM:

BetNoir

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Dec 28, 2002, 3:07:21 PM12/28/02
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Peg exclamation point wrote:

> I was having a conversation with my honey the other day...I was > bemoaning the fact that people at my place of business were hopelessly > lost in understanding me, especially my sense of humour. Some folks > have not even heard of Monty Python, let alone Black Adder or Red Dwarf.

*shrug* It's a matter of personal taste.

I don't happen to find Red Dwarf all that and a bag of chips. Then
again, I can't stand Married with Children.

I submit for your consideration that just because folx don't share your
humor/interests does not relegate them to 'Mugglestown.'

> The conversations I hear at work mostly tend to be about the most > superficial of topics. Traffic, relationships (and even then, nothing > of note or depth), going out to bars on weekends, coffee table > literature, Starbucks, home decorating via K-Mart, and the ubiquitous > sports stuff.

*shrug again* People talk about what matters to them at that moment. I
have been known to bitch about traffic or chat with my boss about the
latest movies we've seen.

Beyond that (and this just may be me...), I am at work to *work*. Not
have meaningful emotional interaction with my coworkers. I like the
people I work with, but that is not my primary purpose for being there.



> So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any > good coping mechanisms that you find work?

I start by not assuming that just because they don't share my
hobbies/humor/interest, that they are Muggles or Mundanes or some other
equally unappealing label.

BetN, who, for the record, tries not to use either Muggle or Mundane
when referring to other people...but had to in the context of this post.

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Fubar

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Dec 28, 2002, 3:19:08 PM12/28/02
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My answer to the Muggles I work with is to keep em constantly confused.
Im 45 years old. I brought my new old style Anime lunch box to work and ate
my lunch out of it in the lunchroom. When told that Im weird, my reply is:
"In MY peergroup, Im average."
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Kate Dicey

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Dec 28, 2002, 2:33:46 PM12/28/02
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My complete and utter conviction that I am the sane one! Mind you, as
most of my working outside the home years were spent in schools, and I
now work at and from home, I didn't often come across this attitude...
There was always someone who would snag a reference!

I was doing a bit of supply teaching while pregnant a few years back,
and an as yet unknown colleague had a sandwich that was disintegrating
as she ate it. I remarked that it had lost it's structural integrity,
thus starting a firm friendship with another Star Trek/B5 fan. The PE
folk at the next table never did get what we were giggling about.
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Josephine Marie Thane

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Dec 28, 2002, 3:28:52 PM12/28/02
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>
>
>So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any good
>coping mechanisms that you find work?
>

I tend to ignore them.

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Dec 28, 2002, 4:23:41 PM12/28/02
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So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles?

Fortunately for me, I'm not. For the most part, the folks who work in our
agency are educated, intelligent people, most of these being trained as
historians. Probably 25-30% have Ph.D's in history, half the rest have MA's in
history or related fields, and only about 10% don't have any college degree at
all--mostly the clerical and junior military. As might be suggested with that
kind of background, many of these folks have a variety of interests and skills
beyond their professional capabilities. Agreed, some of these folks are
stodgy/conservative almost beyond belief, but one has no problem having an
intelligent and interesting conversation which goes beyond the day-to-day with
most of the folks in my agency. And there are some who have a sense of humor
about as bad as mine. :) For a variety of reasons, I don't particularly like
my job, and can't wait to retire, but one of those reasons is not the fact
that I am surrounded by dull people

I do agree with one of the previous posters on this thread that it is not true
that, just because people with conventional interests are not like us, that
they are "Muggles" and "Danes' and therefore somehow they are less worthy.
Because people have different interests and emphasis in life than me doesn't
make me or them any better or worse. But, the fact is that I don't share the
interests and aspirations of the vast majority of our society. I don't care
for sports, hardly watch any TV, dislike most movies and contemporary fiction,
and the majority of the stores out there would go broke if everyone shopped as
little as I did. I really don't have much in common with most people. Me, I
prefer to associate with people with unconventional interests and/or who are
more intelligent than average. One reason I like so many of the folks I get
to associate with on a regular basis at Renaissance Faires. With more
conventional folks, I get bored easily. I don't consider that elitist--it's
just the way it is.

Norm

Elise OFlynn

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Dec 28, 2002, 5:04:07 PM12/28/02
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If you are looking for a place that is virtually muggle free, try working at a
book store. I used to work at Borders, the people that work there are so
diverse and interesting! Plus, not a one had a closed mind. The draw back? The
pay isnt good and the hours are terrible. They have decent bennies though.
Great job for younger people. The place I work now is in between. Some rich
house wives that only work for something to do when their kids are at school,
and some old hippies and artists. The artists and hippys are fun to work with
and the housewives are fun to mess with. I can't tell you how many times one of
them has walked away from me looking very confused and shaking their heads.


Elise O'Flynn

Michael Sheldon

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Dec 28, 2002, 5:04:36 PM12/28/02
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"Trong Trongersoll" <trong...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Peg! asks:
> >
> > So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any
> good
> > coping mechanisms that you find work?
> >
> > Lynn/Peg! of the Pyrates Royale
>
> ummm... I don't? heh, I have the privilege of working with mostly
> TechnoGeeks.

Same here, only I am one of the technogeeks. The more mundane folks in the
cubes near us must be in a perpetual state of confusion, since the topics of
conversation in the geek cubes cover the entire range of interests. Not at
all unusual to have our conversations cover socialized medicine, ancient
roman history, and personal jet-packs all within a 2-minute time span. :)
(hmmm, ancient Romans with jet-packs... Cool!)

We're also the ones with all the nerf-guns, balsa-wood airplanes,
radio-controlled cars and other toys.


"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clark
"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
Barry Gehm
"Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who do not
understand it."
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shaggy

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Dec 28, 2002, 5:22:18 PM12/28/02
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On 28 Dec 2002, Peg exclamation point wrote:

I most certainly work with a boat load of muggles. It's really hard to
sit around all day there and not be me. I freak these folks out enough as
it is. :)

Shaggy
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Rowan

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Dec 28, 2002, 5:23:47 PM12/28/02
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> oh... and btw, that "lyric" from cher is hysterical!!!!!! thanks for
> sharing! :-)
>


You mean to tell me that Cher wasn't singing about monkeys???!!! And
to think, I had it wrong all these years!!!!

Actually we have the same problem. My family is a little on the "odd"
side of life and the rest of the world isn't. We just continue to be
silly. We figure: maybe one day the world will understand and if
not, who cares. At least we're entertained!!!! Besides, my husband
wasn't born into this kind of hilarity, but he grew to appreciate it
and even to participate from time to time. It does get frustrating,
but after a while, people seem to expect your whimsy. I think that it
adds something to their lives that they don't realize is missing!!

Keep up the hilarity! The world needs it now more than ever.

Rowan

zski

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Dec 28, 2002, 6:05:03 PM12/28/02
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Peg exclamation point wrote:

> So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any good
> coping mechanisms that you find work?

They seem to find me "quaint and amusing". I put up my faire pix, and
they say "wow, that's interesteing", and move away with this odd lookin
their eyes. Sure as hell doesn't bother me.
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Dec 28, 2002, 7:02:12 PM12/28/02
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Hello, I've been lurking for a bit now, and I thought this topic was a
good one to post on - seems to fit me.
I work at a hotel in Iowa, so I really don't get to see my coworkers for
more then 10-20 minutes a day (if that), and they have come to expect my
crazy and strange ways. But I do end up meeting many people, and for the
most part many of them could be considered "Muggles", but every once in
a great while, I will find one of the guests is as strange and nutty as
I am (of course I really can't be all that strange and nutty back
because of my job). The only time that is really fun is when the people
from the Renaissance Fair are in town, they are just a hoot and a half. :)
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Brett Ryan

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Dec 28, 2002, 7:43:28 PM12/28/02
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You know something, I work with a lot of Muggles, but I've converted a few!

Having Fun,
Brett

SongSylvan

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Dec 28, 2002, 9:06:20 PM12/28/02
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>You mean to tell me that Cher wasn't singing about monkeys???!!! And
>to think, I had it wrong all these years!!!!
>

*snerk* What's even worse is when you *know* the lyrics and you still manage
to misunderstand it. I know perfectly well that David Bowie's "Space Oddity"
contains the line, "Take your protein pills and put your helmet on." And yet,
just recently, I somehow managed to hear "Take your *groping* pills...."

And we're just not even going to go into the disturbing mental images that
cropped up with that one.


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Frau Anna Bleucher

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SongSylvan wrote:

>>You mean to tell me that Cher wasn't singing about monkeys???!!! And
>>to think, I had it wrong all these years!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>
>*snerk* What's even worse is when you *know* the lyrics and you still manage
>to misunderstand it. I know perfectly well that David Bowie's "Space Oddity"
>contains the line, "Take your protein pills and put your helmet on." And yet,
>just recently, I somehow managed to hear "Take your *groping* pills...."
>
>And we're just not even going to go into the disturbing mental images that
>cropped up with that one.
>
>

ROFLOL -- Fantastic! I'll never hear that song the same way again!

Say - where do you get this calendar? I really, really want one! (Or many - I've got a list of people that I could give it to as a gift.)

Frau Anna Bleucher
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Peg exclamation point

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Trong answered with:

>ummm... I don't? heh, I have the privilege of working with mostly
>TechnoGeeks. These people do magic for real. Imagine adjusting the orbit of
>a satellite by energizing a big magnet in it and pushing & pulling against
>the earth's magnetic field using energy gathered by solar cells. That's
>magic.

Peg! replies:
Okeedoke...where do I apply? (with no real geek abilities to speak of...)

Lynn/Peg! of the Pyrates Royale

Peg exclamation point

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Dec 28, 2002, 11:46:47 PM12/28/02
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Aoidhean Ó Toirdhealbhach penned:

>Not at
>all unusual to have our conversations cover socialized medicine, ancient
>roman history, and personal jet-packs all within a 2-minute time span. :)
>(hmmm, ancient Romans with jet-packs... Cool!)
>
>We're also the ones with all the nerf-guns, balsa-wood airplanes,
>radio-controlled cars and other toys.

Peg! responds:
Did you see the response to Trong?

Ditto and in spades...

Toys! To work where there are toys, and stimulating conversation...heaven.


Lynn/Peg! of the Pyrates Royale

Peg exclamation point

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Dec 28, 2002, 11:50:41 PM12/28/02
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Frau Bleucher :::whinny!::: asked:

>Say - where do you get this calendar? I really, really want one! (Or many -
>I've got a list of people that I could give it to as a gift.)

Peg! responds:
My honey got mine at Sam Goody.

Peg exclamation point

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Dec 29, 2002, 12:19:00 AM12/29/02
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Betnoir penned:

>*shrug again* People talk about what matters to them at that moment. I
>have been known to bitch about traffic or chat with my boss about the
>latest movies we've seen.

Peg! replied:
Surely...oh, and yes, so do I. But it is not the end all and be all of my
existence.

I know, as an example, that the Capital of the US is Washington DC, and I also
know that, as a city, it does not have Counties within it. Yes...someone I
work with did not know these things, made even more the striking by the fact
that I live and work in a DC suburb, as do my colleagues.

Betnoir:


>Beyond that (and this just may be me...), I am at work to *work*. Not
>have meaningful emotional interaction with my coworkers. I like the
>people I work with, but that is not my primary purpose for being there.

Peg!:
Absolutely! Me too. But it is hard none the less when you are subject to
hearing other peoples conversations all day long, and many of them amount to
not much more than styrofoam for the brain. Again, it is something you would
need to experience.

I previously penned:


>> So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any >
>good coping mechanisms that you find work?

Betnoir replied:


>I start by not assuming that just because they don't share my
>hobbies/humor/interest, that they are Muggles or Mundanes or some other
>equally unappealing label.

Peg!:
It's not the fact that our interests don't jibe up that gets me. It's the
total and complete lack of interest in the world around them that does. Not
knowing anything about what is happening in your own State, let alone the
Country or the world is a shame, and it's what makes for things like the
reputation Americans have over seas.

>BetN, who, for the record, tries not to use either Muggle or Mundane
>when referring to other people...but had to in the context of this post.

Peg!:
Point taken...I do not condone the use of the word "Mundane" on an average
non-garbed patron simply because they are out of garb, and am one of the first
to champion the cause of not stereo-typing. However, in this instance, I am
speaking of particular people with whom I am familiar, not a whole group that I
only know from a distance.

Michael Sheldon

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"Peg exclamation point" <pyrate...@aol.comengetme> wrote in message
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> ...
> Toys! To work where there are toys, and stimulating
conversation...heaven.

Well, it's not bad, though it used to be better. The number of geeks in the
office has dropped from ten to four in the last year and a half. The economy
has taken its toll.

Truth of the matter though, such things are just a way of sustaining sanity
in a profession that has a VERY high burnout rate.

Black Mark Holmenson

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Dec 29, 2002, 2:53:31 AM12/29/02
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Two words......night job

Since I started my last night job (12 hour shifts, 3 or 4 days a week) working
on the line at Sony, not far from where I live, I have discovered a bunch of
things.

1. People who can consistently work 12 hour shifts usually have excellent work
ethics....and hard workers, so far as I've seen, have responsibility, and in
folks my age, 25-30 years old, responsibility has a tendancy to, for some
reason, translate into a depth and breadth of thought. It may also have to do
with the fact that in 12 hours a day, you get insanely bored with any activity
unless stimulated by conversation.

2. To stay at a night job, you kinda have to start out as a night person. And
night people tend to think more....maybe it's 'cos there's less to do in the
world at night, maybe 'cos there's less overall stimulation, maybe it's just
'cos there's fewer of us, so we need to communicate better.

3. Night person or not, up 'till 4am is still up 'till 4am, and it still makes
you punch-drunk. At work, everyone starts getting silly about that time.
That's when, funny or not, everyone finds jokes amusing, snowball fights break
out in the loading bays, and we sometimes find out more about one another than
we really wanted to know.

4. Upper management seldom shows up between 6pm and 7am, therefore, as long as
we meet our numbers and clean up before daylight, we can make as big a mess as
we want, and do things our (the right) way, instead of the way management wants
to see it done.....also makes the environment a bit less stressful.

5. When something breaks, there's no one there to fix it.....LONG BREAK, with
pay, lots of time for rampant silliness and long, deep conversations.

6. Any one who doesn't appreciate all of the above doesn't last long, so you
wind up with a bunch of folks with similar mind-sets all being goofy together.

"Black" Mark Holmenson
The Wee Viking
Rogue #1020
14% pure, 100% corruptive
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Kate Dicey

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Dec 29, 2002, 5:41:45 AM12/29/02
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Me too! Corrupting the young (playing D&D with them and introducing
them to weird books and odd sewing projects) is such fun!

Quasinerd

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Dec 29, 2002, 11:18:02 AM12/29/02
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> Not at all unusual to have our conversations cover
> socialized medicine, ancient roman history, and personal
> jet-packs all within a 2-minute time span. :)

Of course, because everything is related. :-)

> We're also the ones with all the nerf-guns, balsa-wood airplanes,
> radio-controlled cars and other toys.

I just bought myself a "plasma globe" (electricity
follows your hand) - doesn't every home need one?

Quasinerd

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Dec 29, 2002, 11:27:02 AM12/29/02
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> Im 45 years old. I brought my new old style Anime lunch box to work and ate
> my lunch out of it in the lunchroom. When told that Im weird, my reply is:
> "In MY peergroup, Im average."

I used to try to fit in. Doesn't work anyway. Might
as well be you.

SusiLizRowanJaq

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songs...@aol.commybodice (SongSylvan) wrote in message news:<20021228210620...@mb-bh.aol.com>...

> >You mean to tell me that Cher wasn't singing about monkeys???!!! And to think, I had it wrong all these years!!!!

> *snerk* What's even worse is when you *know* the lyrics and you still manage to misunderstand it. I know perfectly well that David Bowie's "Space Oddity" contains the line, "Take your protein pills and put your helmet on." And yet, just recently, I somehow managed to hear "Take your *groping* pills...."

*giggle* Oh my, yes.... I have a couple of favorites, since I do A
LOT of Christmas singing; there's "Good King Whatisname" and then,
"Walking in your Winter Underwear...."

But my favorite is listening to "There's a bad moon on the rise...."
when it plays at the store, but coming out with "...there's a bathroom
on the right..."

Susi (who really does sing at work at the fabric store - not not too
loud)

Brass Angel & NobleOne

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On 28 Dec 2002 17:40:06 GMT, pyrate...@aol.comengetme (Peg
exclamation point) wrote:


>
>So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any good
>coping mechanisms that you find work?
>

I JUST began my new job on the day after Christmas. I know at least 2
faire folk there, including BrassyLassy, who has been my best freind
for 17 years, and Jesse, whom I met at faire several years ago. On my
first day of work, I drove with Lassy, met a former co-worker from my
last job who has been there for three weeks, ran into Jesse at the
door, and bumped into yet another person who I met outside of work
thru Lassy. While none of them work in my area, I already know at
least a couple of the people around me wont be boring.
At my former job, most of the people WERE muggles. A couple of them
had been to faire, and I corrupted at least one of them into at least
attending faire.
For the most part though I hadnt much in common with them and hated
getting up to go to work every day.
Just by the people arund me, including my trainer , things are looking
up with the new job!

Kelly
Kelly
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Beatriz

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Peg! asks:

>So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any good
>coping mechanisms that you find work?

I started a new job in corporate America just about a month ago. There are at
least 2 other ren-geeks in my building, one, my friend Rose who works on
another floor, and the owner of a green mini-van with SCAdian stickers all over
it. So I know I'm not the only geek in SC.

However, my department is rather straight-laced. I've combated that by
covering my desk with framed photos of me and friends at faire, my pencil
holder is a faire goblet, there's a gargoyle my best friend gave me keeping
company near my computer, I've tacked up all sorts of faire related kitch to my
cube, and tied a bright turquoise bandana (Think Lost Boys!) to the back of my
chair. Not to mention hung my Letter of Marque in a prominent place on my
bulletin board. Then there's my screen saver... a crawl of interesting,
bumper-sticker style quotes, nearly all that are connected to faire in one odd
way or another, or are otherwise geek suited.

All of this has prompted curious questions and comments from the co-workers.
The other day I mentioned singing Pirate tunes in my car and my co-worker
asked, "You mean pirated, stolen, cds?" and I grinned and said, "Nope, I mean
the Pyrates Royal, wanna borrow it?" I plan on lending him my cd on Monday.
I'm a geek and proud of it. No sense trying to hide it. If nothing else, some
folks will skirt around my cube and whisper, "Don't go near her, she believes
in gargoyles, dragons, pirates, and dresses funny on the weekend."

On a side note, I don't happen to think Muggle or 'dane are derogatory terms.
I view them the same way I do terms like Trekkie or ren-geek. Simply handles
to indicate what a person is interested (or not) in. Muggles, to me, are
simply people who don't have an interest in the craziness we immerse ourselves
in. Nothing wrong with that at all. After all, Hermione's parents are
Muggles! And 'danes.. without 'danes, we wouldn't have faire. They make up a
significant part of the gate at any faire. They can also be part of wonderful
audiences, fun to interact with, etc, etc. Just because they don't come in
garb means they're bad. They are just patrons, but since they are wearing
street clothes, and may not be as faire-crazy as we are, are termed 'danes.

Peg, aren't you sorry you asked? ~grins~
Beatriz
IWG Local 96
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http://hometown.aol.com/bodaciouswench/MelissaAFRSigLineprofile.html

Bob Clevenger

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On 28 Dec 2002 21:23:41 GMT, norm...@aol.com (NORMTUBA) quoted Peg! as writing:

>So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles?

Except for the guy from Scotland, the guy who actually reads books (the token
redneck), and the guy who's into making websites, I just mumble something
meaningless about sports and try to remain pleasant.
That's what it 's all about conversation-wise where I work, surrounded by
sports-crazed males. And add in whatever is popular on television at the moment,
but I don't even recognise the names of the programmes for the most part. Smile
and nod.
-=Bob=-

Freedom means letting other people do things you don't like.

http://www.bobclevenger.com

Beatriz

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Beatriz scribbled on the wall:

>Just because they don't come in
>garb means they're bad

uhm. Yeah. Right. What I *meant* to say is: Just because they don't come in
garb doesn't mean they're bad.

Thanks, Bob!

lady sylvre

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<snippage>
yes, i work, surrounded by muggles and nongeek/nonfaire types. they are
mostly terribly left-brained. but, every so often, i find a small,
refreshing island of "crazy" in the ocean of sanity. i have mined several
"lotr" fans out of the "normals" (one brought me a pair of "pointy ears"
last week...), and have made headway in converting a few others to "faire"
mentality (one mom will be taking her young daughters this year for the
first time, and meeting us for the "grand tour"). otherwise, i just wear my
shirt that says " i live in my own little world, but it's okay--they know
me here". and, as i have pointed out, if i ever quit, they would have
nothing/nobody to talk about to amuse themselves. they seem to find me very
amusing--but the feeling is mutual.
and--it is only my job. it is what i do--not who i am. anesthesia may pay
my bills, but it does not rule my heart! that job has been filled, by so
many things that there is not room for work to occupy it for long.
lady sylvre
"life is far too important to be taken seriously."--oscar wilde

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Peg exclamation point

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Beatriz penned (after a wonderful description of her own coping mechanisms):

>Peg, aren't you sorry you asked? ~grins~

Peg! replies:
Not at all! As a matter of fact, I need to *thank* you and the others who have
responded here! It really does help to know that A.) I am not alone, B.) There
are a lot of tactics folks have used, and C.) I am likely making mountains out
of molehills and need the right perspective.

So, *thank* you!!! Keep 'em coming!

Nocturna le Fey

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Peg!, you never fail to ask thought-provoking questions whose
responses I find fascinating. You've so inspired me I think I'll put
out a question of my own. Like others who have responded, I find I
cannot be myself at work. And, like some of us, I think I am quite
accustomed to getting those incredulous, uncomprehending stares from
time to time! :-p

From Quasinerd:


>
> I just bought myself a "plasma globe" (electricity
> follows your hand) - doesn't every home need one?

Darn tootin'! I was just playing with one of those a couple of weeks
ago. :)
---
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~ Dissembler of the Double-Entendre
~ Practitioner of the Parlance of Poesy
~ Honorary Orator of All Things Shakespeare
~ Possessed of the Erotic Tongue, from whose font
a sensuous stream of verse doth flow--and soaketh
the breeches of mortal men far and wide.

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Peg exclamation point

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Dec 29, 2002, 10:45:43 PM12/29/02
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Nocturna penned:

>Peg!, you never fail to ask thought-provoking questions whose
>responses I find fascinating. You've so inspired me I think I'll put
>out a question of my own.

Peg! adds:
I thank you for your kind compliment...but I must admit, the main reason I ask
such here is because I learn so much by the responses. There is such a wealth
of depth, knowledge amd experience here that this (and another couple of
internet forums, and of course, my own family/friend base) more than makes up
for the 8 hours I put in with the less than thought provoking conversations to
which I am subjected at work.

Vive la difference!

Oh...and what's the Q, Nocturna??? (Peg! awaits with barely concealed
excitement).

Faireweather Griff

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In article <e73d72.02122...@posting.google.com>,
queenel...@hotmail.com says...


> But my favorite is listening to "There's a bad moon on the rise...."
> when it plays at the store, but coming out with "...there's a bathroom
> on the right..."
>
> Susi (who really does sing at work at the fabric store - not not too
> loud)

What about Hendrix' "S'cuse me, while I kiss this guy..."

[heh]

G.

P.S. Hiya toots!

~~
Griffin Faireweather,
etcetera, etcetera, etc.
~~

Deb in Northern California

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I saw them in Barnes and Noble Bookstore the other day, it might still be on
their website to purchase online.

Debbie

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Chas

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Had a friend who always heard the line in Queen's "We will Rock you"
that goes "pleading with his eyes" as "playing with his rise"

Chas
--
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NC Yeoman

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Dec 30, 2002, 11:53:21 AM12/30/02
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the website yet

http://www.kissthisguy.com


for all your misheard lyrics.

Great site. Add your own.

(Didn't figure out the Monkee's lyric on "I'm a Believer" WASN'T 'When
I needed sunshine on my brain.' until I heard the Shrek version.)

J.R.
NC Yeoman

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Mychael Wordsmythe

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Chas <webm...@historicgames.com> wrote in message news:<3E0FF73C...@historicgames.com>...

> Had a friend who always heard the line in Queen's "We will Rock you"
> that goes "pleading with his eyes" as "playing with his rise"
>
> Chas

I had a buddy in Junior High who SWORE, to the point of fighting, that
the Frankie Valley song, "My Eyes Adored You" was "My Eyes of
Georgia". I remember asking, "Does 'My eyes of Georgia, though I never
laid a hand on you, my eyes of Georgia,' make sence to you?" We
desolved into laughter when the light of comprehension broke his
confused brow and he finally had to admit that he MIGHT be wrong.

James Sweetland

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Dec 30, 2002, 7:05:43 PM12/30/02
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Peg exclamation point wrote:

I was bemoaning the
> fact that people at my place of business were hopelessly lost in understanding
> me, especially my sense of humour.


> Cher song called "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves".
>
> The actual lyrics go:
> "Gypsies, tramps and theives, and every night the men would come around...and

My own mishearing of that is "the Gypsy, Tran VanFlees..."
My son's best one happened to him in grade school--the class
put on a skit which included a fake snake, with a kid gradually
being consumed while the rest of the class sang "I'm being
eaten by a boa constrictor"--just like in the vaudeville joke,
a parent actually came to the class prepared to have a fit,
having heard that they were singing something about being eaten
by a Bible instructor. (Unlike the joke, the parent actually
checked out the story before complaining, and also found it
funny).


My own issue is complicated--as an academic I deal with people
my own age (more or less) and people who are in their late teens
to mid 20s (students) plus other students in the age group ca
25-55. Trying to make analogies, metaphors and similar explanations
of technical stuff both interesting and understandable is a real
challenge.

So, both with students and colleagues, I have a reputation as
"oh, he's crazy anyway". The oddest one is one of my immediate
colleagues who cannot get out of her mind that what I do in the
summer is "work at the circus"--although she has managed to
figure out I am not a clown. I think she thinks I feed the
elephants or something (and 'roustabout' isn't all that bad a
word).

The problem for me is that I am finding too many students under the
age of 40, and almost everyone under the age of 30, really don't
have a sense of history--they've heard of Melvil Dewey, but don't
really know when he lived, and have managed not to learn anything
about any communications technology which existed before they were,
say 10 or so years old. Not quite to the famous Beavis and Butthead
quote yet, though "Beavis, they have always had television; it just
used to be one channel".

Other POV--in one class *I* took, Analytical Bibliography, in
providing a detailed rare-book style catalog record, I referred to
an illustration on the title page as "Man on Winged Horse Slaying
Dragon" and was corrected to "Bellerophon riding Pegasus" as though
I was a complete idiot.

I must admit I'm OK with Red Dwarf or Farscape, but not at all
familiar with SpongeBob or with StarGate.
--
James Sweetland, Bristol gamer, and professional academic, more
recently professional academic administrator (now *there's*
a bunch of muggles as a group)

zski

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James Sweetland wrote:
and have managed not to learn anything
> about any communications technology which existed before they were,
> say 10 or so years old.

When I was in high school, I recall being floored by the fact that a kid
I was babysitting for did not know how to tell time on a clock face.
He'd only ever seen digital clocks, so he didn't understand the whole
"clockwise" and "counter-clockwise" thing

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"Gwenllyan" <gwen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> oh... and btw, that "lyric" from cher is hysterical!!!!!! thanks for
> sharing! :-)

When I was young, the song "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown was popular. You know the
one, by Jim Croce? There was a line in the first part of the song that went

"He got a 32 gun in his pocker for fun. He got a razor in his shoe."

Well, folks, for a very long time, my friends and I were convinced that ol'
Leroy Brown had a RAISIN in his shoe.

I still get giggly at the thought of this big, scary gangster walking around
with a dehydrated grape squishing between his toes....

Mad Kestrel
Privateer #9, Captain of the Thanos (Fairhaven/CRF)
Wench of magic #540, Madame of Vice to Local #96
The Phantom Otter Revealed
FrankenFluffer of Sarcastica, Chest Oiler to the Darkened Army
Stealth Bombshell of the Renntopia


Brian Spencer

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Dec 30, 2002, 7:37:27 PM12/30/02
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Susi said:
>But my favorite is listening to "There's a bad moon on the rise...."
>when it plays at the store, but coming out with "...there's a bathroom
>on the right..."
>

And who can forget AC/DC's classic hit "Dirty deeds, THUNDER CHIEF" also known
to some as "dirty deeds, done dirt cheap".
Brian Spencer
Lord Kain of Searles
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Stosh d'gypsy

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lots o' snippage)))

basically I define muggles at work as being the folks who take
themselves and their position seriously. You know, the ones that
think associate manager means something, or director, et al...

Anyone who can laugh at themselves is ok people. We don't have to
share the same sense of humor or appreciate the same things, but
having a sense of humor is what is important..


Stosh Gypsy, Rogue 373 Bard 116 :-Ž Privateer #197
Bosun to the good ship Redtail Hawk, keeper of the Cap'n's pickles
Wielder o the Clue Whip, Fisher Price Toy of the order of the Rampant Clue Stick
Theftus Piraticus of Sacastica, (He who is charged with Creaming the Soda)
66.4% faire corrupted, but, willing to learn
Khan of the Fabric Horde, Groupie to Minstrosity..
Happy keeper of the playground!!
supporter and inspector of the Armored Squoobs

Cozit / Liz

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Dec 30, 2002, 10:26:33 PM12/30/02
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Now show one a telephone with a dial... My parents actually still have
one, though as of a couple years ago it doesn't work for dialing out
anymore (finally went from either pulse or more for tone to tone only
outside Philly)... it's good for answering the phone when you're doing
laundry or playing in the basement though.

Oh... and Chris (if you see this)... scariest thing about the visit home
this weekend is that for some strange reason we uncovered the last
dungeon used in an overnighter at my place *way* back when... it was
still on a table (albeit under some other things) in the basement...
having been shoved there to get it out of the way at some point, then
having books and what was left of my old magic "stand" dumped on top of it.

-Elisabeth

Lady Aylena

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Dec 29, 2002, 11:45:30 PM12/29/02
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Ha! Much to my dismay, I get the same reaction when spoofing a funny and
getting a giggle out of it. No one at my work understands...heck, barely
anyone in my STATE does (KY)! I miss New England. I WAS surprised one day
to have the director of our IT department questioning my group picture from
King Richard's Faire...came to find out that his daughter and son in law
work at Scarby! We instantly became friends...we talked for about an hour
that day about the wonderful world of Ren! It felt really good to finally
find someone who understood!

--
~Lady Aylena~
~Lucy Buckles~
~Draconia~ Friend to the Dragon
~Annie Tankard~ Keeper of the Bottomless Tankard
54.4% Faire Corrupt
Drac...@WENCHESHATESPAMbellsouth.net

"Peg exclamation point" <pyrate...@aol.comengetme> wrote in message
news:20021228124006...@mb-dh.aol.com...

> I was having a conversation with my honey the other day...I was bemoaning


the
> fact that people at my place of business were hopelessly lost in
understanding

> me, especially my sense of humour. Some folks have not even heard of
Monty

> Python, let alone Black Adder or Red Dwarf. But even something as simple
as
> the "Kiss this guy" calendar seems not to be understood. It's a day at a
> glance calendar that gives you one confused lyric a day for a year. I was
> tittering over in my cube, and people started wondering what it was I
found so
> funny. So, I shared a few of them. The obvious one is the Jimi Hendrix
lyric
> that the calendar is named after. It's supposed to be "Scuse me while I
kiss
> the sky", but the confused lyrics are "Scuse me while I kiss this guy".
>
> The one that stands out in my memory as being howlingly funny was an
ooooold


> Cher song called "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves".
>
> The actual lyrics go:
> "Gypsies, tramps and theives, and every night the men would come
around...and

> lay their money down".
>
> The confused lyric was:
> "Gypsies, chimpanzees, and every night the men would come around...and lay
> their monkey down".
>
> I nearly lost bladder control.
>
> But, the people I work with just kind of looked at me like I had eye
stalks (I
> don't, do I??? If so, I guess I better call Michael Jackson and ask when
the
> Homeworld is sending another transport).
>
> The conversations I hear at work mostly tend to be about the most
superficial
> of topics. Traffic, relationships (and even then, nothing of note or
depth),
> going out to bars on weekends, coffee table literature, Starbucks, home
> decorating via K-Mart, and the ubiquitous sports stuff.
>
> My honey attributes it to their all being hopelessly Muggle. Wow...is
there
> any place of business out there that is *not* quite so filled with folks
> lacking in imagination and wonder (and has decent benefits like health
> insurance)?


>
> So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any
good
> coping mechanisms that you find work?
>

zski

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Lady Aylena wrote:
..came to find out that his daughter and son in law
> work at Scarby! We instantly became friends...we talked for about an hour
> that day about the wonderful world of Ren!

One of the Service managers in my department hung out at MiRF while he
was in high school, but he admits it was mainly for the campground
parties. Still, at least he knows what a bodice is...

--

Lady Celena

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Gwenllyan <gwen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> peg! you put it so perfectly :-), methinks that what is lacking in your
> office environment is a sense of humor - i have spent my life being looked
> at as if i had those same eye-stalks... and i cannot even begin to count the
> number of times that, after i have made a (supposed to be) amusing comment
> about something that the person i commented to takes a moment and then
> "explains" things to me that i "obviously" didn't understand (for example,
> the time at college that we were all discussing the mudslides in california
> and how odd it must be to stand on the hill and watch your house slide down,
> of course, it seemed odder to me to be in the house and watch the hill slide
> up.... but the folks around me decided to "explain" that in a mudslide,
> things slide down, no really?)

Humor... *sigh* I haven't had an office with a true sense of humor in
years... When I worked in the NOC in college, we had nerf fights and
movie nights and such all the time... we were all friends with each
other outside work as well as inside work... Some better than others,
but we all did dinner together and lunch together and would
periodically all play hookey together and go to great adventure or
something (the boss was usually well aware of the hookey days and
didn't really mind as long as one or two were still in the office and
as long as everyone had pagers).

Where I work now? Feh. Sorry, but every defense contractor place I've
been in has a minimal sense of humor (unless you're in the geek
department).

I like where my husband works. They've got a foozeball table and they
played wiffleball in the halls before christmas. They all got paid to
see LotR:TTT on opening day in mid-afternoon. They expect a whole
lotta work out of him, but because of that, they also make room for a
whole lotta play. Wish every company udnerstood that theory.

> typically what i have done is... well, not much help in the way of advice,
> but what has typically happened is that i end up feeling bad about myself,
> that there must be something wrong with me that i can't participate in
> "normal" conversations... of course, that's not what i should do, but it's
> what i have done...

Don't. When I feel like I'm working too much with the muggles, I get
online and cruise the newsgroups. ;) Hey, it's a way to talk to my
geek friends all day long and not feel so damned isolated by the
muggles. Fortunately some of my coworkers like to play and have good
senses of humor... But the management structure around here has been
so innundated in the old school that we can't play in the office to
blow off steam.

> on a more helpful note, what has helped me is to surround myself with people
> who do get it, pretend to be a muggle when i am around muggles, and be
> myself when i'm around people who get it (like y'all)

There's a reason I'm willing to work seven days a week during the
faire season... working faire is fifty times less stressful than
working during the week... Because the people I'm working around are
so much more open and more accepting and have less of a stick right up
their... ahem. This is a family newsgroup, I'll refrain from using
inappropriate graphic references. *smirk*

> at this point, i'm an at home mom, so i can't help much with the workplace
> question, but i volunteer a bunch at our church... which happens to have a
> huge creative arts department, so i'm typically surrounded by intelligent
> creative people who, for the most part, get it... i know what a blessing it
> is

Thank goodness, you have a creative outlet! :) Even when you're not
surrounded by a bunch of muggles at work, being a house-mom CAN become
hopelessly mundane if you let it. If you allow yourself to be creative
about it, it can be extraordinarily freeing, but if you've no time for
anything but doing housework without anything creative about it, it
can be worse than a paying job (stay-at-home moms work harder than
many of the paid workers out there do, they just don't get paid for it
in money. Why do you think the day-care business is so lucrative right
now?).

> i must say, this newsgroup is a blessing as well :-)

It's my saving grace at work, I'm telling you...

Coping mechanisms? Reading email and newsgroups. AIM if you can get
it. :) At least then you have easy access to people who understand and
talk to you about the newest rennie gadgets... ;)

Cydony Bowman (who needs to find more outlets... Because work is THAT
bad...)

Bob Clevenger

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:39:21 -0600, Faireweather Griff
<gr...@bloggle.nospam.com> wrote:

>What about Hendrix' "S'cuse me, while I kiss this guy..."

For years I thought he was saying: "S'cuse me, while I pierce the sky."
Yeah, I know -- it doesn't make any sense that way, but that's how Iheard it.

Peg exclamation point

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Bob penned:

>For years I thought he was saying: "S'cuse me, while I pierce the sky."
>Yeah, I know -- it doesn't make any sense that way, but that's how Iheard it.

Peg! replies:
:::giggle!!!:::

But, Bob...does "Scuse me while I kiss the sky" make any *better* sense?
Frankly, I like yours better. ;D

Chris Cottrell

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"Prove It..." <aiel9...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3E0E3B84...@hotmail.com...
>
> Hello, I've been lurking for a bit now, and I thought this
topic was a
> good one to post on - seems to fit me.
> I work at a hotel in Iowa, so I really don't get to see my
coworkers for
> more then 10-20 minutes a day (if that), and they have
come to expect my
> crazy and strange ways. But I do end up meeting many
people, and for the
> most part many of them could be considered "Muggles", but
every once in
> a great while, I will find one of the guests is as strange
and nutty as
> I am (of course I really can't be all that strange and
nutty back
> because of my job). The only time that is really fun is
when the people
> from the Renaissance Fair are in town, they are just a
hoot and a half. :)

Hey, what do you expect from people that play very serious
(and sometimes very expensive) dress-up for weeks on end,
and in fact have their lives revolve around opportunities to
dress up and role-play?

What would you expect from people that create names and
personas and personal history and etiquette and social
levels...create an entire *world* that harkens back
centuries, and who research to recreate it as exactly as
modern means and individual comfort will allow?

As children we all role-played, but modern (and intelligent)
fest'ers go well beyond in a way that almost resembles
obsession. Who here *doesn't* spend the non-faire part of
the year searching thriftstores for accessories and
designing and creating garb? Who here *doesn't* practice
accent and terminology?

And what makes it all the more a creative outlet, consider
the new rennie terminology (anachronomichron/wristwatch,
pocketdragon/lighter, garb/costume, etc)...

-'Thenie
one of the intentionally-nutty


Chris Cottrell

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"Josephine Marie Thane" <jmt...@ripNOSPAMco.com> wrote in
message news:3E0E0984...@ripNOSPAMco.com...

> >So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly
Muggles? Any good
> >coping mechanisms that you find work?
>
> I tend to ignore them.

I tantalise them.

I drop little tidbits of interesting subject matter, small
enough for them to digest, then draw them over time into my
world. No pushing, no recruiting, no effort, just allow
their curiosities and dormant sense of fun to activate. You
might say I am "seducing" them to find their hidden innate
weirdness.

I don't press the issue, but let them take most of the lead.
Takes a bit of time, but it's surprising how wonderfully
strange people become over time if not confronted with too
much odd all at once.

-'Thenie


Chris Cottrell

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"Todd & Misty" <phil...@rjsonline.net> wrote in message
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> "Gwenllyan" <gwen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> > oh... and btw, that "lyric" from cher is
hysterical!!!!!! thanks for
> > sharing! :-)
>
> When I was young, the song "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown was
popular. You know the
> one, by Jim Croce? There was a line in the first part of
the song that went
>
> "He got a 32 gun in his pocker for fun. He got a razor in
his shoe."
>
> Well, folks, for a very long time, my friends and I were
convinced that ol'
> Leroy Brown had a RAISIN in his shoe.
>
> I still get giggly at the thought of this big, scary
gangster walking around
> with a dehydrated grape squishing between his toes....

Now see, *THAT* is what sets the non-muggles apart from the
muggles, the ability to go beyond the surface of words and
descriptions and right on into the literal nonsense.

Muggles are caught in a very superficial layer of
interaction with others. Phrases are linked symbols, a type
of code. So when a muggle says "how ya doin'?", it's a
salutation, not an inquiry. For non-muggles, it's the
expression of interest in another's wellbeing, where a real
answer (if not expected) is at least hoped-for. Muggles
layer themselves with social convention and conformist
behavior, I think to avoid experiencing scary things like
emotions and self-doubt.

Frankly, I tend to imaging every turn of phrase as it would
appear if literal. Not that I have a choice (it's how I
am), but it does allow me to amuse myself often in the
course of a day...

-'Thenie
left in stitches each time she hears "laughed my ass off"
because she can visualise it


Bob Clevenger

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On Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:54:03 GMT, "Chris Cottrell" <MTN-...@prodigy.net> wrote:

>-'Thenie
>left in stitches each time she hears "laughed my ass off"
>because she can visualise it

<imagining 'Thenie clad only in stitches because the fabric has left>

Chris Cottrell

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"Bob Clevenger" <b...@bobclevenger.com> wrote in message
news:aut61vcmu2ch7q1gl...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:54:03 GMT, "Chris Cottrell"
<MTN-...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >-'Thenie
> >left in stitches each time she hears "laughed my ass off"
> >because she can visualise it
>
> <imagining 'Thenie clad only in stitches because the
fabric has left>

Cheeky devil!

-'Thenie
<fx: sudden bemused smile, slight snicker>


Goodwyfe

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Your story reminds me of how I discovered that my husbands best freind was a
really great guy. I looked at a dish of unidentifiable food at the party
and exclaimed "My gawd, that's mooseturd pie!". He looked me right in the
eye, and answered "It's good though.". Instant connection with a fellow
dementite. It's a bit like a secret handshake. And I am quite familiar with
the look like I have eyestalks. That's why I love this group! Y'all are just
as weird as I am, and some of you are weirder. Bless you all.
Godwyfe Whittmore
Bard #26
lately of the lurkers loft


Kate wrote:
>
> I was doing a bit of supply teaching while pregnant a few years back,
> and an as yet unknown colleague had a sandwich that was disintegrating
> as she ate it. I remarked that it had lost it's structural integrity,
> thus starting a firm friendship with another Star Trek/B5 fan. The PE
> folk at the next table never did get what we were giggling about.
> --
> Kate XXXXXX
> Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons!
> http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk
> Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
>


Leah Adezio

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Brian Spencer <kai...@aol.comthetrash> wrote in message
news:20021230193727...@mb-cq.aol.com...

> Susi said:
> >But my favorite is listening to "There's a bad moon on the rise...."
> >when it plays at the store, but coming out with "...there's a bathroom
> >on the right..."
> >
>
> And who can forget AC/DC's classic hit "Dirty deeds, THUNDER CHIEF" also
known
> to some as "dirty deeds, done dirt cheap".

When I was in high school and The Commodores 'Brick House' was
popular...well, the refrain where they sing "Shake it down, shake it down
now"?

I heard it for the longest time as "Suck a cow, suck a cow now".

Alianne
IWG MCL #860
Leah

Peg exclamation point

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Thenie penned:

>>left in stitches each time she hears "laughed my ass off"
>>because she can visualise it

Bob retorted:


><imagining 'Thenie clad only in stitches because the fabric has left>

Peg! adds:
::::Snork!!!:::

Applause, the both of you!

Gwenllyan

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in article 3e139...@nntp2.nac.net, Leah Adezio at slad...@nac.net wrote
on 1/1/03 9:08 PM:

now that's funny!

mine is the classic song "go all the way"... apparently i heard the pg
version.... "oooh baby, don't walk away, it would be so right" etc etc etc -
still made sense too :-)

and a friend related one time how a friend of hers misheard the lyrics to
"smoke on the water, the fire in the sky" as "slow motion walter, the fire
engine guy" (which makes one wonder how he was hired :-) )

--
Gwenllyan verch Hopkin
siren
52.9% FaireFolk corrupt (but working on it!)

SongSylvan

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>I heard it for the longest time as "Suck a cow, suck a cow now".
>
>Alianne
>IWG MCL #860
>Leah

Got milk? (grin, duck, and run)


Magdalene
IWG #1024/Drill Sgt. of Local 35/Soiled Doves of Colorado
IFoRP # 57/First Mate of "The Flying Scotsman"
KC MasterPiece of the KCRF BBQ Wenches
One of Moonie's Naughty Kittens
Red Gemini Ghetto Smurf
To email me, remove my bodice

Peg exclamation point

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Gwenllyan penned:

>and a friend related one time how a friend of hers misheard the lyrics to
>"smoke on the water, the fire in the sky" as "slow motion walter, the fire
>engine guy" (which makes one wonder how he was hired :-) )

Peg! adds:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, *that* is funny!! Someone needs to let them know at
"kissthisguy.com".

SusiLizRowanJaq

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Faireweather Griff <gr...@bloggle.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1879a6167...@news-server.kc.rr.com>...


> > But my favorite is listening to "There's a bad moon on the rise...."
when it plays at the store, but coming out with "...there's a
bathroom
on the right..."
What about Hendrix' "S'cuse me, while I kiss this guy..."
[heh]
G.
P.S. Hiya toots!
> ~~
> Griffin Faireweather,
> etcetera, etcetera, etc.
> ~~
hehehe - YES! I always heard it that way too! And ya shoulda seen
Jason (Fradrich?) snerk when I came out to the "...walkin'n in yr
winter underwear..." at a carolling gig at a casino! hehe, the
patrons loved it too!
Hiya, back, fella! Happy New Year

Kate Dicey

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Jan 3, 2003, 3:47:57 PM1/3/03
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Yeah, but it's a bloody funny image! :D

Chris Cottrell

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"Kate Dicey" <ka...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:3E15F6FD...@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk...

> Chris Cottrell wrote:
> > "Bob Clevenger" <b...@bobclevenger.com> wrote in message
> > news:aut61vcmu2ch7q1gl...@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 01 Jan 2003 19:54:03 GMT, "Chris Cottrell"
> > <MTN-...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >-'Thenie
> > > >left in stitches each time she hears "laughed my ass
off"
> > > >because she can visualise it
> > >
> > > <imagining 'Thenie clad only in stitches because the
> > fabric has left>
> >
> > Cheeky devil!
> >
> > -'Thenie
> > <fx: sudden bemused smile, slight snicker>
>
> Yeah, but it's a bloody funny image! :D

<cringe> Yes, but 'bloody funny' isn't!

-'Thenie
enjoying the silliness


Annalisa

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model_...@hotmail.com (NC Yeoman) wrote in message news:<8b43a906.02123...@posting.google.com>...
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned the website yet
>
> http://www.kissthisguy.com
>
>
> for all your misheard lyrics.
>
> Great site. Add your own.
>
> (Didn't figure out the Monkee's lyric on "I'm a Believer" WASN'T 'When
> I needed sunshine on my brain.' until I heard the Shrek version.)
>
> J.R.
> NC Yeoman
>
>
>
> songs...@aol.commybodice (SongSylvan) wrote in message news:<20021228210620...@mb-bh.aol.com>...
> > >You mean to tell me that Cher wasn't singing about monkeys???!!! And
> > >to think, I had it wrong all these years!!!!
> > >
> >
> > *snerk* What's even worse is when you *know* the lyrics and you still manage
> > to misunderstand it. I know perfectly well that David Bowie's "Space Oddity"
> > contains the line, "Take your protein pills and put your helmet on." And yet,
> > just recently, I somehow managed to hear "Take your *groping* pills...."
> >
> > And we're just not even going to go into the disturbing mental images that
> > cropped up with that one.

My hubby had a friend of his convinced that the Zulu chant that
is at the beginning of the Lion King was actually "Pink pajama's,
Penguins on the bottom" he listened for about a week with his ear
right up next to the speaker listening to the song. When he popped up
and said, "My God! you're right!! that is what they are singing", we
about fell off the couch!!

Annalisa
adksapphire
Lady Aislinn Backblade
Pinned Ren.Geek
Wench in waiting

"I am dyslexia of Borg, prepare to have your ass laminated."

web junkie

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adksa...@aol.com scribbled something like....

>
> My hubby had a friend of his convinced that the Zulu chant that
> is at the beginning of the Lion King was actually "Pink pajama's,
> Penguins on the bottom" he listened for about a week with his ear
> right up next to the speaker listening to the song. When he popped up
> and said, "My God! you're right!! that is what they are singing", we
> about fell off the couch!!
>
> Annalisa


LMAO

not really misheard lyrics but sorta...
When I was moving into my new dorm room back in 91 I had Queen playing
the song was Bohemian Rhapsody. Keep in mind this was when that move
Wayne's World was out. I had the door to the room open because I was
still draging stuff in from the car. Anyway I was moving something in
the room and had my back to the door. A group of people passed by I
guess and heard the music, one of the blurted out 'Hey isn't that that
new song by Queen?'

Rowan O'Cearbhaill
(newbie to the board)

Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult

Annalisa

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wea...@dream-weaverz.net (web junkie) wrote in message news:<78b07239.03010...@posting.google.com>...

AHA!!!! Another newbie to the board! Welcome to the madness that is
AFR. Have a mazer of mead. LOOK! Whats that???? (Pointing off into
the distance, thereby distracting the newbie from the goings on around
her. ~snicker, snicker) :::POUNCEPOUNCE::: Sorry bout that but needed
to be done, official type welcome and all, :-)


Annalisa
adksapphire
Lady Aislinn Backblade
Pinned Ren.Geek
Wench in waiting

Newly found Viking
Charter member of the B.I.T.C.H.E.S. Syndicate
80.1% faire-folke corrupt and damned proud of it
It takes a village to raise a child, It takes a Viking to raze a
village.

Annalisa

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rosew...@aol.comscrew (Black Mark Holmenson) wrote in message news:<20021229025331...@mb-md.aol.com>...
> Two words......night job
>
> Since I started my last night job (12 hour shifts, 3 or 4 days a week) working
> on the line at Sony, not far from where I live, I have discovered a bunch of
> things.
>
> 1. People who can consistently work 12 hour shifts usually have excellent work
> ethics....and hard workers, so far as I've seen, have responsibility, and in
> folks my age, 25-30 years old, responsibility has a tendancy to, for some
> reason, translate into a depth and breadth of thought. It may also have to do
> with the fact that in 12 hours a day, you get insanely bored with any activity
> unless stimulated by conversation.
>
> 2. To stay at a night job, you kinda have to start out as a night person. And
> night people tend to think more....maybe it's 'cos there's less to do in the
> world at night, maybe 'cos there's less overall stimulation, maybe it's just
> 'cos there's fewer of us, so we need to communicate better.
>
> 3. Night person or not, up 'till 4am is still up 'till 4am, and it still makes
> you punch-drunk. At work, everyone starts getting silly about that time.
> That's when, funny or not, everyone finds jokes amusing, snowball fights break
> out in the loading bays, and we sometimes find out more about one another than
> we really wanted to know.
>
> 4. Upper management seldom shows up between 6pm and 7am, therefore, as long as
> we meet our numbers and clean up before daylight, we can make as big a mess as
> we want, and do things our (the right) way, instead of the way management wants
> to see it done.....also makes the environment a bit less stressful.
>
> 5. When something breaks, there's no one there to fix it.....LONG BREAK, with
> pay, lots of time for rampant silliness and long, deep conversations.
>
> 6. Any one who doesn't appreciate all of the above doesn't last long, so you
> wind up with a bunch of folks with similar mind-sets all being goofy together.
>
> "Black" Mark Holmenson
> The Wee Viking
> Rogue #1020
> 14% pure, 100% corruptive
> @~'~,~~~
> (unscrew to e-mail)

Hear! Hear! I must say that I agree with you that night people have a
tendency to be much more laid back, and resort to all types of rampant
silliness. I have found that the night shift is where I feel the most
comfortable in my job. I work as an ER/Trauma nurse in a busy metro
ER. As you can imagine this can be a very stressful environment, and
the need to blow off steam on occasion becomes a matter of necessity
to keep your sanity. We have practical jokes, funny ER "war stories",
and have been known to have the occasional baseball game (wadded up
celophane as a ball and a clipboard bat) or water fight (a sixty cc
syringe will shoot an average of 10 feet with a good strong arm behind
it) In fact a lady walked in the ER one night in the middle of one of
our baseball games and with a look of shock and disgust on her face
said, "I have never seen such a lack of professionalism in my life.
Who is the Doctor in charge of this department?" and imagine my glee
in informing her, "He is the one at bat."
I think that for all the reasons that you mentioned, that night
shift folk tend to think more because there is no one from management
or maintenence in house and when something happens, you have to be
able to adapt and adjust. You need to be able to think on your feet,
so your mind gets excersized a bit more. That's my personal SWAG
(Semi-Scientific Wild Ass Guess).
We are, as a general rule, busy most of the time, but on those
rare and precious times that we have a slow night, we take advantage
of it. I have a deeply ingrained lack of trust for people that don't
take the time to laugh at themselves or the environment that they live
and work in. Life is just too short to be serious all the time. A
life that is spent with your nose to the grindstone all the time, that
never takes the time to appreciate humor, or beauty, or stare in
open-eyed wonder at the world around them is only half lived.

Annalisa
adksa...@aol.com
Pinned Ren.Geek
Newly found Viking
Wench in waiting


Charter member of the B.I.T.C.H.E.S. Syndicate

80.1% faire-folk corrupt and damned proud of it.
"In room one, we have a lady that hit a dip in the road and lost
control of her car, In room two, we have the dip she hit." "You put a
what, WHERE???"

Malachi Backblade

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*the scoundrel, fresh from the pouncing of the last newbie, spies yet
another walking through the crowd. He takes a last swig of mead as he
gazes at her, watching as she darts through the endless insanity of
AFR. As she makes her way to the garb booth, the scoundrel is again
known to be lurking by yet another bodice shop (I am SHOCKED!!!) He
eyes the newbie as she see the light go on for a new garb idea....she
saunters out into the main path as the scoundrel, yet unnoticed, plots
his move....he waits patiently as she gets her mead, then food....she
sits, and grabs her spoon....the scoundrel is closer....she lifts the
sppon towards her mouth....closer......just about to make contact....

::::::::::::::POUNCEPOUNCEPOUNCEPOUNCE:::::::::::::::::

offers the newbie a hearty welcome and a fresh mead to replace the one
he is now wearing!!!!

Welcome aboard Rowan!!!! Or should I say....Welcome To A Board!!! LOL
:)
Have fun....drink mead....be silly!!!!

Lord Malachi Backblade
Pinned RenGeek
Scroundrel and Merc in Waiting
Member D.O.G. Syndicate (ORF)
Member, Lost Viking Hoarde
75.5% Faire Folk Corrupt
Defender of Life, Li-BEER-ty, and the pursuit of Loose Wenches

"Always remember....never let your mother brush your hair when she's
mad at your dad"

wea...@dream-weaverz.net (web junkie) wrote in message news:<78b07239.03010...@posting.google.com>...

lady sylvre

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agreed--i work a long shift, that encompasses day-to-evening time (6:30 a.m.
to 8:30 p.m.) the evening crew "gets it", no matter where the conversation
or tide takes us--the day crew struggles ( with a few joyous exceptions..)
to even grasp the simplest eccentric concepts. love the evenings! ( and a
60c.c. toomey syringe is far superior for stealth attacks..)
lady sylvre
Annalisa <adksa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Carolyn Spedden- MDRF

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"Peg exclamation point" <pyrate...@aol.comengetme> wrote in message
news:20021228124006...@mb-dh.aol.com... _and Carolyn snipped -

> So...how do you lot deal with being surrounded by mostly Muggles? Any
good
> coping mechanisms that you find work?

I'm really lucky to have my job, and I know the line will be very long for
it should I ever get hit by a bus. Heck, I know some people are hoping!

Actually, the offices at the Maryland Festival are pretty normal. A few
people (patrons usually) are profoundly disappointed that I don't wear a
costume everyday at work. And my own office - well, honestly, one day I
will get around to decorating it. Right now it looks like any other
office - except lots of theatre & history books.

I never take my luck for granted - I really am lucky to be in this business.
Of course, I have the "reverse" problem - since I also do theatre, I am
often discounted by "regular" theatre professionals for being in my chosen
field. Gets very depressing sometimes to have your work discounted. I
guess you can't have everything.
Carolyn,
MDRF


Josephine Marie Thane

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Jan 6, 2003, 7:30:38 PM1/6/03
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Carolyn of MDRF wrote:

>Gets very depressing sometimes to have your work discounted.
>

And would that be 5% or 10% discount? ;-)

<GR&RVVVVF>

--
Josephine Marie Thane <http://www.josephinemariethane.com>
Dulcimistress of Minstrosity <http://www.minstrosity.com>
-Best Music Group, KCRF 2001-
Bard #122; IWG #870, Madame
-Member Local #34, Guild of the Garter (Bristol)
-Adopted member of Local #42, The Answer (MDRF)
-Adopted member of Local #57, Wenches of All Flavors (MiRF)
-Adopted member of Local #29, Heartland Wenches (KCRF by default)
-Member Local #69 (on the National level)

"Soylens viridis homines est."

NC Yeoman

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Jan 8, 2003, 4:48:39 PM1/8/03
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Peg,

After reading all the replies (thus far), I felt compelled to toss in
my thoughts, even though most are echoed in one post or another.

pyrate...@aol.comengetme (Peg exclamation point) wrote in message
> But, the people I work with just kind of looked at me like I had eye stalks (I
> don't, do I??? If so, I guess I better call Michael Jackson and ask when the
> Homeworld is sending another transport).

I've had this problem all my adult life, even some of my high school
life. I watched TV and read books constantly throughout my childhood,
so I have a wide range of trivia that has, for some odd reason, stuck
in my head. Conversations, words, anything can trigger a factoid. I do
way too many puns and obscure references so that people at work look
at me strangely. I think it's funny, but they either don't, or have no
clue what the reference is to. At some point they just ignore me and
continue on.

People have always thought I was odd, just because I didn't do what
everyone else did, or think the way everyone else thought. It bothered
me some, but I wasn't going to be who THEY were. So I played Dungeons
and Dragons. Why should that make me a "whacko who doesn't deal with
real life."? So I build plastic model kits of hot rods and science
fiction subjects (and currently Drake's Golden Hind). Does that mean
I'm a kid who never grew up, still playing with toys? Maybe, but does
that mean I'm weird and to be avoided?

I read the AFR group daily, but often don't post here because I'm
afraid I either don't know what I'm talking about, and will sound
stupid, or say something with a reference no one understands (and
sound stupid).

For example, early on, Norm posted about the Scotland, Ireland, and
the lowlands. In an attempt at humor, I asked "Aren't you being
redundant?" (LOW Lands) Only later did I find out what the lowlands
really were. And of course felt stupid. When an obscure reference gets
you the same sort of look you get when you say something stupid, you
tend to shie away from conversations. It's just not worth it.

But what I've found lately is that the people on AFR are much more
intelligent, insightful, and (for the most part) thoughtful than your
run of the mill citizen. I enjoy the posts here immensely, and I'm
learning stuff everyday. Things beyond the home run stats of the
latest baseball star. People here are interested in the wider world
around us and the history of how it got to where it was. Most people
are not. Many are self-centered and concerned with only what
immediately affects them. So that's what they talk about.


> The conversations I hear at work mostly tend to be about the most superficial
> of topics. Traffic, relationships (and even then, nothing of note or depth),
> going out to bars on weekends, coffee table literature, Starbucks, home
> decorating via K-Mart, and the ubiquitous sports stuff.

This is because (it seems) everyone else we come into contact with
thinks everyone *must* be into what they are into. And many times it
IS very superficial. Whatever is the topic of the gabbers on
television talk shows. Things I find inane and pointless. But if I'm
not talking about what they like, I find there isn't much
conversation. I'm a great listener. Too bad no one else is. I got
tired of discussing their interests ONLY. Like Norm, I'm not into team
sports. I do like individual sports (I teach Okinawan karate), but
down here in NC, everything is Nascar or football or hockey. Yawn. And
that's putting it the polite way.

I don't know how to say this without sounding superior, but here goes.

I've found that, in my opinion, most people are average (I know,
redundant, huh? Another pun no one in my office would get) in that the
things that interest them are boring everyday things to me. Things
that everyone in the world talks about. I don't want those
conversations. So at work, I talk about work, and that's about it. On
rare occassions I will find someone who has something more to say than
"Did you see Friends last night??" and get into a very pleasant
conversation with them. Although I AM at work to work, there IS social
interaction, you can't avoid it. So on the conversations that are
mundane, I stay out of. The ones that are more than shallow, I join in
on. Not that I think I'm superior, I just (like someone said) have
better things to do with my time.

You aren't alone. My feeling is that people who think you are
different think you aren't as good as they are, and therefore they
should stay away from you, or you can't possibly have anything to say
they would be interested in. It's their loss. If they knew you, they'd
enjoy your company and your conversations.

Thanks for letting me rant and ramble. Now, someone define THEIR
meaning of a Mundane and a Muggle.


J.R.
NC Yeoman
Novice Bodice Ogler (but improving)

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