Re: I Don't Believe In The Colonization Of Space
Hans-Georg Michna
>>Last summer, at a news conference in Hong Kong, Dr.
>>Hawking said humanity's ultimate survival depended on
>>colonizing the solar system and beyond.
>Humans can't go anywhere w/o oxygen, food, water and a toilet.
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>IMO Dr Hawking is not a genius. Thoughts?
Solution 1: Humans live within protected space. (We actually do
that pretty much on our planet too, to some extent. Couldn't
survive outside in winter for long.)
Solution 2: Transhuman beings move out. These could be anything
between human minds in modified bodies, robots with uploaded
human minds, robots with engineered minds, or robot-like beings
with evolving minds.
Hans-Georg
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Those are the missionaries creating the appropriate habitat,
not the humans who must surely follow. The problem, of
course, happens when the missionaries rebel to begin
working for themselves. See Battlestar Galactica.
Robert S
wrote:
> Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:43:38 GMT, ctyguy wrote:
> > Solution 2: Transhuman beings move out. These could be anything
> > between human minds in modified bodies, robots with uploaded
> > human minds, robots with engineered minds, or robot-like beings
> > with evolving minds.
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> Those are the missionaries creating the appropriate habitat,
> not the humans who must surely follow.
The only hope for interstellar colonization is self-reproducing
intelligent robots.
10,000 year voyages are incompatable with human life spans. Generation
ships would be floating tombs, replete with zero motivation for all
but the last generation and extensive BO. Frozen embyros, artificial
wombs and maternally minded robots would see humans light years
distant.
No humans will ever build an interstellar spaceship. No glory and no
profit within a lifetime equals no deal. Ditto the robots that could
potentially make one.
Self reproducing robots, OTOH, would negate this problem.
> The problem, of
> course, happens when the missionaries rebel to begin
> working for themselves. See Battlestar Galactica.
If they all got on, you wouldn't be seeing Battlestar Galactica.
Gordon
wrote:
>On Mar 2, 6:21 pm, "nonse...@unsettled.com" <nonse...@unsettled.com>
>wrote:
>> Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
>> > On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:43:38 GMT, ctyguy wrote:
>> > Solution 2: Transhuman beings move out. These could be anything
>> > between human minds in modified bodies, robots with uploaded
>> > human minds, robots with engineered minds, or robot-like beings
>> > with evolving minds.
>>
>> Those are the missionaries creating the appropriate habitat,
>> not the humans who must surely follow.
>
>The only hope for interstellar colonization is self-reproducing
>intelligent robots.
>
>10,000 year voyages are incompatable with human life spans. Generation
>ships would be floating tombs, replete with zero motivation for all
>but the last generation and extensive BO. Frozen embyros, artificial
>wombs and maternally minded robots would see humans light years
>distant.
>
>No humans will ever build an interstellar spaceship. No glory and no
>profit within a lifetime equals no deal. Ditto the robots that could
>potentially make one.
>
Contemplate the possibility that we may one day be able to encode
all the information that comprises an individual and store this
information in some means similar to computer back-up storage
systems, today. That information could then be transported to any
hospitable planet and revitalized somewhat like we restore our
computer information into a new computer after our old system has
failed.
Our individual DNA could be used to generate a new person with
the same characteristics we have, and our mental information
could be loaded into this new person.
*us*
wrote:
>... the appropriate habitat ...
Humans should learn not to destroy theirs.
nons...@unsettled.com
> In article <qqahu2p2806umnvi6...@4ax.com>, gord...@DELETEswbell.net wrote:
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>>Contemplate the possibility that we may one day be able to encode
>>all the information that comprises an individual and store this
>>information in some means similar to computer back-up storage
>>systems, today. That information could then be transported to any
>>hospitable planet and revitalized somewhat like we restore our
>>computer information into a new computer after our old system has
>>failed.
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> but ever, and in general.
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> Too many non-linear things = no real determinism. (Imagine a pool
> table with convex side; even if one knows all the starting conditions,
> one can't predict where the ball will end up because an infinitely small
> change of the initial parameters can lead to a huge differences in
> the final result. And the smallest we know is probabilistic.)
> A real life illustration of this idea is the fact that identical twins are
> quite clearly not the same very early on in life and that is reflected in
> differences in their DNA easily detectable by as early as 5 years of
> age.
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>>Our individual DNA could be used to generate a new person with
>>the same characteristics we have, and our mental information
>>could be loaded into this new person.
>>
>>>Self reproducing robots, OTOH, would negate this problem.
>>>
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>>>>The problem, of
>>>>course, happens when the missionaries rebel to begin
>>>>working for themselves. See Battlestar Galactica.
>>>
>>>If they all got on, you wouldn't be seeing Battlestar Galactica.
Even worse, the future I would know I'm not me.
Hans-Georg Michna
>humans need to breathe and so forth
Doug,
humans are originally tropical fruit eaters. They could not
survive in Europe with today's climate.
However, they adapted. Not biologically, but technologically.
Furs were used, looms invented, houses built with heating
systems, and so the pretty naked humans could survive in rather
cold places.
This is the trend. You need a bit more than just a loom and a
heated house to survive on Mars or in an artificial structure
circling a star, but it's certainly not impossible.
Then there are several transhuman routes to colonization.
Hans-Georg
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