Underage castration, nullo, and SRS
Sherry Joanne Collins
>Though we have been getting a lot of posts lately that look like
>either a sting or a lot of fantasy gone too far, it IS possible
>that some are true. Please keep that in mind.
I do not know what is what. I do hope the one about the 4 year old was fake,
because if not then chances are he will grow up and regret not having
testicles.
>We all need a
>place to vent folks. Please do not hurt the few that are real,
>because we are fed up with those fakers out there.
>Also, though this is not the thread of the boy that claimed to
>be getting a castration by his mother's permission, I want to
>comment on that too.
>snip<
>And what IF he IS a minor but is just not telling the whole
>truth, like maybe his mom is not as for it as he says? That is
>possible. I am not validating his post, but just pointing out
>that just because of grammar it does not mean he is faking it.
When I replied to Pressmouse I started by saying I did not know if he was
telling the truth, then I replied to him as if he were telling the truth. What
concerned me was because he is underage I did not know if he could discern
whether he really wanted nullification or if he just had a nullo fantasy. He
mentioned 'I like girls too much', so maybe he really wanted his sex drive
reduced. OTOH nullification or even castration alone could cut his sex drive
lower than he would like, and would have other effects he might dislike such as
very little body hair or feminization of body fat.
Several days after my reply to Pressmouse, someone posted that their 14 year
old kid wanted castration because 2 of his friends had been castrated, and he
had seen his own father castrated. And this was right after I copied that
letter from Jennifer Reitz's site in which a young adult rushed into sex
reassignment surgery just because he wanted to do it before a friend did. I
see here the same motivations that the young adult in the letter had.
I doubt that the desire to be a eunuch is hereditary. I see strong indications
that the 14 year old is into the fantasy but would be terribly unhappy with the
reality. First he sees his dad castrated, then he wants to be like 2 of his
buddies and his dad teaches him CBT.
When I was 14 peer pressure said I was supposed to be macho, athletic, and to
make out with every girl in sight. Instead I just grew my hair out, and
because I was growing up so slow, I looked like a perfect pre-adolescent girl.
That was in 1982. Kids are a little more liberal in 1999 though hopefully
castration is not becomming a fad.
Then there is the matter of the boy incesting his cousin. Because my stepdad
did his own daughter and my adopted sisters, I am more concerned about this
(good thing I came into this world disguised in a boy's body!)
but................. I am not so sure that castration is the answer. Some
reports say it cures sex offenders, others say it does not. Personally I
believe castration would have some chance of curing a sex offender if the
offender himself wants to be cured. If he does not want to be cured, then
castration won't stop him from harming anybody. So once again, it is a
question of whether this kid really wants the effects of castration or if he
should just keep it a fantasy.
>So I DO think there ARE minors out there, as well as
>fakers. For the sake of the minors, please be considerate and
>tread lightly, remember how you were as a kid with this
>fixation. Thanks
We need to look out for young people posting that they want genital
modifications because some adults have gone through the proceedure and then
regretted it. A 14 year old boy could make a bad decision even more easily.
My concern is for the happiness of every poster here, regardless of their age.
With the older posters I have basically answered the questions they asked by
using my own experience. In my postings to Pressmouse and Ken I just expressed
concern because I did not want them to do something permanent that they would
likely regret. I am more concerned with the minors because they have to live
longer with whatever they do.
Yes, I too wanted castration and feminization long before I reached the age of
majority. I may have told my mother when I was 4 or 5 because I remember 2
occasions when she was correcting me, saying 'You are a boy'. I certainly told
her when I was 13, but I forgot about the conversation.
At age 17 I read something about a 70 year old that had SRS and wondered if I
could also become female. Unfortunately I tried to research this in my aunt's
medical books that were written in 1963, and they did have something to say
about it: they said it was not possible. Oh, I do wish I could have done
something that year, if I could have at least had castration.
I don't know if we could get into trouble for helping minors obtain castration
or greater procedures. So there are also legal considerations to think about.
Since I just warned them of the aftereffects and told them to be careful, I
should be OK.
Sherry Joanne Collins
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> Response to posting by Tom (hitom):
>
> >Though we have been getting a lot of posts lately that look like
> >either a sting or a lot of fantasy gone too far, it IS possible
> >that some are true. Please keep that in mind.
>
> I do not know what is what. I do hope the one about the 4 year old was fake,
> because if not then chances are he will grow up and regret not having
> testicles.
If you are talking of the same one I think you are, it was a
joke, a dog that was 4 years old, neutered.
As for growing up and regretting not having testicles, that is
up to the person really. I have a very close friend that is as
close to me as a brother, we grew up together, who's first son
was born without testicles. He is coming to the age or puberty
now, and so far he does not want to go on hormones, the parents
are leaving it up to him, since it IS his life. They have kept
him informed all his life about all the facts, and worked hard
to find the facts they did not posses, as well as find "good"
therapists to help him understand his unique problem and make
informed decisions about it. I say good therapist in that he is
not being brain washed, he is being informed and helped, the
ultimate decision IS his.
So far he thinks that us adults making such a big fuss about his
not having testicles is ridiculous. It is not a big issue with
him, and he would rather people stop making it such a big deal
in his life. Of course he is still young, and later in life he
could have regrets, BUT he might also never regret his decision,
if he were to decide to go on hormones and become a sexually
mature man. In fact it is likely he could also regret going ON
hormones and becoming a sexually mature man, if he were to
decide to follow that route as well.
I just do not think anyone can just say, for all cases, it is
not a good thing for a young boy. I also do not think it a good
idea to coerce a boy into it, or force a boy into it, like it
was done in the past. Let the boy make his own decisions, but
let is be a well informed decision, no pushing, either way, but
very well informed from both sides, holding back nothing. I
think that if you asked castratos how they felt about their
being castrated, back say 100 years ago, you might be surprised
at how many might have said it was something they liked and have
no regrets about, probably with the main problems being in HOW
it was done to them or that they had no or little choice in it.
We can only assume, since we do not have those people alive
today to ask for real, but it makes sense.
Think of ourselves now as adults, those of us fixated on
castration for ourselves. I bet you that many of us may have
wanted it just as badly WHEN we were kids, and that if it were
done to us as kids that now as adults we would look back on it
also with no regrets. A lot counts on the individual, and the
circumstances.
Now my post was not meant to justify castration of minors. It
was only meant to point out that just because the person claims
to be a minor, or claims to have been castrated as a minor, that
it is not automatically false. It can and I am sure does
happen. Of course here we do get more than our fair share of
fantasies gone too far as well. My point was just to hold back
on the criticism, for the sake of the few that could very well
be telling the truth, or at least a good part being truthful.
I was not accusing you in particular of being harsh to such
people, it was a message to the group. I thank you and others
that do try to be kind and open to such posts. I think such
posts should be handled with just as much tact as we handle any
other post, with possibly a bit more precautions on how we talk
to such people, to be sure they are told all the info they need
to be told. But to arbitrarily say it is wrong to want that is
like telling a gay boy it is wrong to have gay sex, or a
transsexual boy that it is wrong to have a sex change at his
age. How many transsexuals would have had a far better life if
only they could have gotten the operation sooner in life.
Caution is needed, yes, but not shaming that person into feeling
rejected from those just like them (even if we are a bit older),
or shaming them for how they feel.
We all know how we were as kids, and that we did not change, we
only got stronger in our desires, please try to think back on
that before you respond to such posts, that is all I ask, and
treat that person as you would have wanted to be treated if YOU
had made that post in YOUR youth, and also think how vulnerable
you were back then too, on how you felt you were the freak for
it, and desperately wanted both information but also a
connection to others just like you, and know you are not a bad
person for wanting castration.
>
> >We all need a
> >place to vent folks. Please do not hurt the few that are real,
> >because we are fed up with those fakers out there.
>
> >Also, though this is not the thread of the boy that claimed to
> >be getting a castration by his mother's permission, I want to
> >comment on that too.
> >snip<
> >And what IF he IS a minor but is just not telling the whole
> >truth, like maybe his mom is not as for it as he says? That is
> >possible. I am not validating his post, but just pointing out
> >that just because of grammar it does not mean he is faking it.
>
> When I replied to Pressmouse I started by saying I did not know if he was
> telling the truth, then I replied to him as if he were telling the truth. What
> concerned me was because he is underage I did not know if he could discern
> whether he really wanted nullification or if he just had a nullo fantasy. He
> mentioned 'I like girls too much', so maybe he really wanted his sex drive
> reduced. OTOH nullification or even castration alone could cut his sex drive
> lower than he would like, and would have other effects he might dislike such as
> very little body hair or feminization of body fat.
>
Ah, but that same problem plagues adults as well, just as much.
How many adults have the same confusion from fantasy to reality,
and how many do things for the wrong reason, and how many hold
back when it really would be best to have it done sooner? That
is the problem, and that problem should be handled tactfully, so
as not to shame the person or make them feel rejected, adult or
minor. Again this is not about your replies, but more a thought
for the group, for when such posts come up.
Also just because you like women does not mean you would not
like the changes of castration. I like women, as well as men,
and yet I desire no body hair, and I am sure I am not alone in
that. As for feminizing of the body, for pre-pubertal
castration that is more definite, but for post-pubertal
castration that really counts on the person, some do not get
feminized, and how much fat you may get can very much vary on
both genetics and lifestyle too, from how much you eat and
exercise to how much your body is dependent on the hormones for
that male look. Some men get castrated and change a lot, some
do not change at all, looks wise, I think we can assume the same
would be for a boy past puberty as well. As for pre-pubertal
boys, since they are not masculinized yet, it is possible that
some may LIKE to look that way, they may LIKE their boyish body,
which is sort of a feminine look, and so that may be one of the
reasons they want castration to begin with, and yet like girls
as well.
As for reduction in sex drive, with the hormones raging on
puberty, it is likely that some would rather skip that, and so a
lessening of sex drive might also be very desirable to them.
Don't we all remember how we were so sex crazed at that age? IF
he still wants sex, and that may be or may not be, he can still
have such desires, but be more in control of them, instead of
them in control of him, and still like girls too.
> Several days after my reply to Pressmouse, someone posted that their 14 year
> old kid wanted castration because 2 of his friends had been castrated, and he
> had seen his own father castrated. And this was right after I copied that
> letter from Jennifer Reitz's site in which a young adult rushed into sex
> reassignment surgery just because he wanted to do it before a friend did. I
> see here the same motivations that the young adult in the letter had.
>
That is why proper counseling is needed, to be sure the reasons
are correct "for that person". But I think that age, as long as
it is past puberty, should not be the big issue it is. A 16 yo
has adult reasoning, though maybe not the same maturity as a 30
yo. However some get sex re-assignment in their 20s and also
have just as little maturity. For a pre-pubertal boy that is
more complex of course, and harder to know for sure, but once he
is well past puberty, and by all acts of nature an adult sexual
man, I think he knows by then what he really should be, possibly
with just a bit of help from therapists to be sure or to help
him realize if it is not for him if that is so, without pushing
either way, so it is his decision.
Therapy is helpful in such things, but we must be careful that a
boy that is vulnerable to peer pressure might not be pressured
by his therapist as well, if he is so vulnerable to such
pressures from others to do as THEY want instead of what he
wants. I can bet you that for every boy you can give an example
of like above, you can find ten times more that would have had a
better life if they just had had the surgery sooner in life.
The damage and/or help can go both ways on that, doing it or not
doing it, so we must walk a careful and cautious edge there, but
not push the boy off either side, let him walk it, with some
guidance to make the right decision "for him".
> I doubt that the desire to be a eunuch is hereditary. I see strong indications
> that the 14 year old is into the fantasy but would be terribly unhappy with the
> reality. First he sees his dad castrated, then he wants to be like 2 of his
> buddies and his dad teaches him CBT.
>
Again that counts on the person. I agree though that I doubt it
is hereditary, but still there are environmental similarities
when living in the same household, and so if it came from
environment that it is feasible that it could happen to father
and son if the causes came from the similar sources. Peer
pressure can be strong too, yes, as is hero worship or wanting
to be like your icons, in this case a son wanting to be like his
dad and/or admired friends.
But to just say that a 14yo would be not be able to know for
sure is rubbish. I am willing to bet that more than half of us
into this here, probably more, knew at 14 what they wanted, but
just did not have the resources to help them achieve that, or
the information they needed, even if as simple as finding out
that there are MANY others out there wanting it just like they
do, and many actually getting it done. To keep the person
isolated and feeling like he is the freak, and one broken, and
that he must have something wrong with himself for wanting it,
is what keeps most from doing it that would have done it
otherwise, aside from lack of information on how to do it and
finding people/tools to get it done. Shame is a big one too, as
well as not wanting to stick out in a crowd. As an adult you
can hide it better, or at least restrict how far it gets out,
but as a kid you are probed by doctors and nurses and even moms,
exposed in locker rooms and showers required in school, and
other such problems. And we all know that kids can be the
cruelest when they find out some other boy is different in a
major way.
If we let all 14yo boys that wanted it to get it done yes, some
would be very unhappy with the reality, BUT some would be very
happy too. That is why the person needs a good guide to help
him find his true path, not someone to tell him that he is wrong
for even wanting it or that he must wait 10 years or more before
he can even be considered seriously and on the same level as
anyone else here. That I think is very important, above all,
that such a boy FEEL as well as be treated as an EQUAL among us.
To treat him any less would be making him feel rejected, out of
place, not welcomed, and make us look just like the others out
there that would tell him he is nuts for wanting it, probably
even worse since it is coming from those you would think would
be favorable to him about it, since we are into the SAME thing
and wanted it too as a kid his age. Not to say to tell all
those minors that they should go out and do it, no, we don't do
that with even the adults here. I am just saying to treat them
on an equal level, help guide them to finding their path, not
making "either" decision for them, but helping them find that
decision inside themselves.
Personally I would cringe too at a 14yo being castrated. BUT I
have to stand back and think a minute. Is that cringe from my
own beliefs, or from how society looks upon this thing today?
100 years ago it would not be looked on the same way, not even
for a 10yo to get castrated. At least in this day and age it is
not FORCED upon them, like it was before, that is good. But
there still is a problem in that now they are forced NOT to be
able to get it done too. Either way there is force, the latter
is at least the lesser evil, but still a decision forced upon
them. Again I repeat my previous example, how many transsexuals
out there would have had a much better life if they could have
had their surgery as a minor? Caution, yes, but not absolutes,
that is all I am saying.
> When I was 14 peer pressure said I was supposed to be macho, athletic, and to
> make out with every girl in sight. Instead I just grew my hair out, and
> because I was growing up so slow, I looked like a perfect pre-adolescent girl.
> That was in 1982. Kids are a little more liberal in 1999 though hopefully
> castration is not becomming a fad.
I seriously doubt it is a fad. I seriously doubt much of what
that post said, but still I side on caution. Sure some parts
could be false, but some parts can be true too, just as it is
with adult stories here. I also seriously doubt castration
"would" become a fad. But I would like it to be something they
can decide, with help, without all the shame and taboos
connected to it, just as it should be for sex re-assignment
surgery.
>
> Then there is the matter of the boy incesting his cousin. Because my stepdad
> did his own daughter and my adopted sisters, I am more concerned about this
> (good thing I came into this world disguised in a boy's body!)
> but................. I am not so sure that castration is the answer. Some
> reports say it cures sex offenders, others say it does not. Personally I
> believe castration would have some chance of curing a sex offender if the
> offender himself wants to be cured. If he does not want to be cured, then
> castration won't stop him from harming anybody. So once again, it is a
> question of whether this kid really wants the effects of castration or if he
> should just keep it a fantasy.
>
First, just because there is incest I do not say there should be
castration. Yes there can be genetic problems, but that can
also happen without incest too. Here I am not talking about
abusive incest, just incest. There are and have been MANY a
kissing cousin out there, and many that had kids that grew up
very healthy too. Saying he should be castrated for incest is
like saying the baby conceived in incest should be aborted.
Even a baby born with problems many times turns out to be a
benefit to society and lives a very happy life. To say such
babies should not exist is like trying to clean up the gene pool
by castrating anyone with genetic abnormalities, which has been
done in the past, even in the US. MANY good things came from
those that were not healthy or perfect, and many a perfect and
healthy person had a very miserable life in torment and pain.
That is more the person and their environment than anything
else, not how perfect a body you had when born.
As for sex offenders, I agree totally. If a person WANTS to be
cured than it can help, yes. But forced on someone it can
backfire seriously, especially if the person gets so vengeful
after it that they do things to their victims out of anger that
they never would have before, or even go out and look for
victims as vengeance. Violence is not in the balls, and sex can
be desired in the mind as well as from hormones.
However what I find highly ironic is that a sex offender can get
castration without anyone batting an eye, in fact it is
something society DESIRES to happen, and even PAYS for that
person's expenses to get it. But one of us just wants it, with
no offense or medical need, and we are shunned, shamed,
ostracised, even attacked, and have to fight tooth and nail, and
pay the highest of prices, just go get it. Now I realize why
they pay for it, I am not asking for ours to be free too, but I
am asking for this taboo to end, so we can have it with just as
little problems. I bet then it would also be cheaper, when it
becomes a normal simple quick procedure even your family doctor
can do in an office visit, like a vasectomy is now.
> >So I DO think there ARE minors out there, as well as
> >fakers. For the sake of the minors, please be considerate and
> >tread lightly, remember how you were as a kid with this
> >fixation. Thanks
>
> We need to look out for young people posting that they want genital
> modifications because some adults have gone through the proceedure and then
> regretted it. A 14 year old boy could make a bad decision even more easily.
>
True, but still that does not justify saying an absolute, that
NO 14 yo should get it, or starting off with them on the
defensive and feeling like they are getting the same shit from
us that they would get from those not into castration. As I
said above, caution, guidance, but not making the decision for
them. In some cases it would be better to have been done young,
and delaying it could cause problems in that person's life that
make them suffer for years, even decades, till they eventually
get it anyway. Help them to be sure first, but also help them
not to have shame for their body, or for what they want their
body to be. Help them to embrace their life, in whatever means
that turns out to be. Give a kid a good healthy base in life
(and self esteem) and you have done a tremendous amount to
making his life a very good and happy one.
> My concern is for the happiness of every poster here, regardless of their age.
> With the older posters I have basically answered the questions they asked by
> using my own experience. In my postings to Pressmouse and Ken I just expressed
> concern because I did not want them to do something permanent that they would
> likely regret. I am more concerned with the minors because they have to live
> longer with whatever they do.
>
Not really. A 14 yo gets cut and say dies at 64, he lived 50
years like that and was happy all the way through, a 24 yo gets
cut and lives to 74, he also lives 50, but maybe the 10 years
from 14 to 24 was a hell trip for him, all that time wishing he
did not have his balls, and hating how his body matured. Yes
the reverse can be true too, that is why I say to help him find
his true path. For those of us that wish our bodies had not
fully matured into the adult male body, like myself, we above
all should know the benefits, to quality of life for ourselves,
if we had been castrated young, so we would not have had those
body changes. I am not saying I want a boy's body, but I also
do not like how my body changed, even at 14 I hated it very
much, and wanted to stop it, even reverse it, especially the
body hair that took over every inch of me.
> Yes, I too wanted castration and feminization long before I reached the age of
> majority. I may have told my mother when I was 4 or 5 because I remember 2
> occasions when she was correcting me, saying 'You are a boy'. I certainly told
> her when I was 13, but I forgot about the conversation.
>
> At age 17 I read something about a 70 year old that had SRS and wondered if I
> could also become female. Unfortunately I tried to research this in my aunt's
> medical books that were written in 1963, and they did have something to say
> about it: they said it was not possible. Oh, I do wish I could have done
> something that year, if I could have at least had castration.
>
And then you should also know how much it would have benefited
you if you were not only castrated before puberty, but ALSO
gotten female hormones. You would have grown into a woman IN
puberty, instead of having to rely on plastic surgery to change
what puberty as a boy did to you. Now just as you and many like
you knew so young that you wanted to be a girl, and it was right
for you even then, for you are still like that today and even
are getting that surgery now finally, we who just want
castration, without a sex change, also knew back then just as
much as now, not all of us but many of us. I can only speak for
myself for sure, but I am willing to bet that many like me also
wish they could have stopped the sexual maturing of our bodies,
and only castration before puberty could have done that.
> I don't know if we could get into trouble for helping minors obtain castration
> or greater procedures. So there are also legal considerations to think about.
> Since I just warned them of the aftereffects and told them to be careful, I
> should be OK.
>
>
That would count on your local laws, and what country you live
in, as well as exactly what you say, what was asked, if it was a
true minor, how valid your advice was, and so much more.
Personally I don't think the cops give a rat's ass about what WE
do or say here. They are more concerned with child pornography
and child exploitation on the net, than that some boy into
castration may come into our group, ask a question, and we
answer it. Law suits would be far more likely, IF he got
castrated, but if he had it done by a doctor than I doubt that
would happen, since he would have to go through a lot to get
that route done, so it would only be a risk if we instructed HIM
on how to do a SELF castration and it was tracked back here,
with the original post saved and all, again very unlikely. We
rarely if ever give detailed instructions for adults on that,
let alone a kid.
Your biggest worry here is some do gooder that feels threatened
that some men vocally are talking about how they love
castration, he goes undercover on his own posing as a minor, and
things get out of hand or real names/contacts get traded. There
are a lot of nuts out there, and I would hope that most here
have enough sense to realize that and act appropriately, not
just on this group but on the Internet as a whole.
> Sherry Joanne Collins
>
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> E-Mail me for details.
>
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Thanks for the good chat, your concerns, and your efforts.
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>Dam your boaring
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as an ex-farm kid, may I say that I think boars
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(jackal) writes:
>Hey you fruity-asses! How's life being a non-man,non-woman.
Better than yours it would seem.
Sherry Joanne Collins
>
I think I recognize something in your writing. Are you that Parrish668 creep
that harassed us here last July? What happened to that name, did somebody TOS
you for that?
If you don't like us, then get lost! By the way, if you are such a *normal
male* then why is 'linda' in your screen name? Perhaps you are transgendered
just like I am!
One thing I know for sure. You are a rude, insensitive, cruel, hateful,
bigoted, closed-minded macho creep. I like being a *non-man* an awful lot
better than being like you are. I don't want to be normal like you are!
Sherry Joanne Collins
To E-Mail me, please remove my spam-eating .kitten from my address.
Paolo
Such are the amusements of a testosterone ridden mind.
Mr. Z
curioisity, may i suggest yi seek an experienced cutter. yours truly
mike
GaynDsmIA
From: chir...@aol.com (Chiro1std)
Date: Tue, 21 December 1999 08:42 AM EST
Message-id: <19991221084258...@ng-bh1.aol.com>
Dam your boaring
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GaynDsmIA
Date: Wed, 22 December 1999 10:07 PM EST
Message-id: <19991222220711...@ng-fk1.aol.com>
Hey you fruity-asses! How's life being a non-man,non-woman.