Grenade Fuses
g._freeman
is there a way to make a fuse similar to that? Thanks in advance for your
help!
-Coder
uber...@hotmail.com
<G. Freeman> wrote:
> How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin and
throw"?
I'm not a grenade fuze expert, but whence you pull the pin, the pin
being held back by springs is released and hits a primer that in turn
ignites a fuze that burns down to the primary explosive, and the
primary explosive initiates the booster below it (Tetryl, PETN, etc.)
that explodes the grenade filler. And sends the deadly shrapnel along
with the powerful explosion.
> is there a way to make a fuse similar to that?
yeah.. but not like with ordinary simple accessable materials, unless
you have that knowledge (which i don't).
> Thanks in advance for
your
> help!
Yeah, no problem.
>
> -Coder
>
>
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>
>-Coder
Grenades have a spring-loaded hammer that is held in place by the handle of the
grenade. The pin holds the handle in place and when you pull the pin out you
can hold the handle for as long as you want with out danger of the grenade
detonating. But if you let the handle move up a centimeter or so, the hammer
will slip by and will hit the primer, which will ignite a very slow burning,
low gas producing powder that burns down to the primary which detonates the
Comp. B (American Grenades) If you want to make your own fuzes you can buy a
used practice grenade fuze drill out the old primer, enlarge the hole to use
shot gun shell primers super glue a primer in and add a time delayed blasting
cap. The only problem is finding a delay comp. that doesn't produce a lot of
gasses or find a way to vent the gasses. If the delay produces a lot of gasses
it will cause the metal cap to expand and create a cavity for the gasses to
flow down and will ignite the primary.
DennisN
soci...@aol.com (Mark S.D.) wrote:
>If the delay produces a lot of gasses
>it will cause the metal cap to expand and create a cavity for
the gasses to
>flow down and will ignite the primary.
The fuse issue is extremely critical, here, as the fuse is
confined in the grenade body. A fuse is most likely to be
unreliable, in this context, by burning too fast. That has
obvious implications to safety.
There are other issues which must be addressed, in addition to
the burning rate of the fuse, itself. The primer generates a
certain amount of gas. If the fuse assembly does not manage to
seal the gap between the primer and the initiator, you stand a
good chance of detonating the grenade as soon as you release the
spoon. This is not conducive to longevity.
An extensive testing program would be indicated, to establish an
extreme degree of reliability, before I would want to pull the
pin on one of these. I'm thinking about hundreds to thousands
of successful and reliably timed fuses before you release these
things for human testing.
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<uber...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8critb$o1p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
: In article <sf2f4b...@corp.supernews.com>,
: <G. Freeman> wrote:
: > How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin and
: throw"?
:
: I'm not a grenade fuze expert, but whence you pull the pin, the pin
: being held back by springs is released and hits a primer that in turn
: ignites a fuze that burns down to the primary explosive, and the
: primary explosive initiates the booster below it (Tetryl, PETN, etc.)
: that explodes the grenade filler. And sends the deadly shrapnel along
: with the powerful explosion.
:
: > is there a way to make a fuse similar to that?
:
: yeah.. but not like with ordinary simple accessable materials, unless
: you have that knowledge (which i don't).
:
: > Thanks in advance for
: your
: > help!
:
: Yeah, no problem.
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"Mark S.D." <soci...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin and
throw"?
> >is there a way to make a fuse similar to that? Thanks in advance for
your
> >help!
> >
> >-Coder
>
> Grenades have a spring-loaded hammer that is held in place by the handle
of the
> grenade. The pin holds the handle in place and when you pull the pin out
you
> can hold the handle for as long as you want with out danger of the grenade
> detonating. But if you let the handle move up a centimeter or so, the
hammer
> will slip by and will hit the primer, which will ignite a very slow
burning,
> low gas producing powder that burns down to the primary which detonates
the
> Comp. B (American Grenades) If you want to make your own fuzes you can buy
a
> used practice grenade fuze drill out the old primer, enlarge the hole to
use
> shot gun shell primers super glue a primer in and add a time delayed
blasting
> cap.
Do you have time delayed blasting caps that would allow you time to throw
the grenade?
The longest delay I've heard about is a half second.
The only problem is finding a delay comp. that doesn't produce a lot of
> gasses or find a way to vent the gasses. If the delay produces a lot of
gasses
> it will cause the metal cap to expand and create a cavity for the gasses
to
> flow down and will ignite the primary.
>
> Mark
> http://hometown.aol.com/sociald84/myhomepage/index.html
unclejed
appears to be a standard pistol type, and the time delay channel
is not a straight line. the igniter seems to be an ignition
primed blasting cap. playing with grenades is not recommended,
lots of little bitty bits of hot steel can ruin your day.
MIKK
G. Freeman wrote in article <sf2f4b...@corp.supernews.com>...
> How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin and
throw"?
> is there a way to make a fuse similar to that? Thanks in advance for
your
> help!
>
> -Coder
German 'stick' grenades (as seen in WWII movies) had a friction device for
lighting the delay fuze as far as I know.
When you pulled the string, (a good quick pull was good I guess) it rubbed
the friction igniter against a rough surface and ignited it.
Not the " pull the pin" type of granade you are asking about but I guess
the delay fuze was similarish.
MIKK.
g._freeman
wonderful devices. I am already thinking up a way to make a pseudo-fuse
that acts similar to, but not exactly to a regular grenade fuse. If any of
you want to "proofread" my blueprints for this grenade, email me at
GFre...@Antionline.com. This is not my primary email address, so I won't
be checking it every day, but I will check it often, and I will upload the
.bmp file of my blueprints.
My next question is on how a "FlashBang" grenade works; like the ones used
by certain organizations to blind/deafen or at least shock the target(s) and
allow quick and easy entry and completion of the task at hand, be it
counter-terrorism or a drug bust, etc... I know that magnesium and
aluminum both make spectacularly bright flashes, but magnesium also burns
very hot, and I was wondering if these types of grenades used this type of
filler. and again, thank you in advance :)
G. Freeman wrote in message ...
DennisN
<inv...@nowhere.it> wrote:
>German 'stick' grenades (as seen in WWII movies) had a friction
device for
>lighting the delay fuze as far as I know.
>When you pulled the string, (a good quick pull was good I
guess) it rubbed
>the friction igniter against a rough surface and ignited it.
This is a much simpler type to make. The design is basically
built from a commercial pull string fuse igniter, a length of
safety fuse, and a bomb. Several nations used stick grenades for
this reason.
There were a bunch of improvised designs used during WW-I.
Somewhat typical was the "hairbrush bomb, which had all the
components externally mounted into a wooden paddle looking
superficially like a hairbrush.
A serious problem with these expedient designs, is that safety
fuse is designed to be used in long lengths, say a couple of
feet, and short lengths are of questionable reliability. One
expedient around this was to use a longer fuse with a notch cut
in the fuse. You ignite the fuse and wait for flame to spurt
from the notch before throwing the bomb. Of course, if the
notch is not deep enough, or you miss the spurt, your buddies
have to clean you off the trench wall. :-( <shrug>
-Dennis
Don Thompson
were more than one type of course but the issue ones were about 9 in
long.They consisted of a cast steel body with the explosive component, a
wooden handle with an end cap, and the end cap was taped to the friction
element.The friction element was similar to the standard pull wire igniter
in use today on fuse-cap initiators.The delay element was of varied length
time fuse crimped to a #8 blasting cap.The average delay on these grenades
was 6 sec. There was a variation on this which had a 1 sec delay for use in
booby trap devices.
Regards,
--
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"MIKK" <inv...@nowhere.it> wrote in message
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|
|
| G. Freeman wrote in article <sf2f4b...@corp.supernews.com>...
| > How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin and
| throw"?
| > is there a way to make a fuse similar to that? Thanks in advance for
| your
| > help!
| >
| > -Coder
|
| German 'stick' grenades (as seen in WWII movies) had a friction device for
| lighting the delay fuze as far as I know.
| When you pulled the string, (a good quick pull was good I guess) it rubbed
| the friction igniter against a rough surface and ignited it.
|
Magnus L
>by certain organizations to blind/deafen or at least shock the target(s) and
>allow quick and easy entry and completion of the task at hand, be it
>counter-terrorism or a drug bust, etc... I know that magnesium and
>aluminum both make spectacularly bright flashes, but magnesium also burns
>very hot, and I was wondering if these types of grenades used this type of
>filler. and again, thank you in advance :)
I've heard somewhere that a Flashbang grenade is made of a small charge with
TNT surronded with a layer of aluminum to give the flash, but i'm not sure at
all (that's what i heard somewhere).
uberchlor
<G. Freeman> wrote:
> I thank every one of you that has contributed to my knowledge of these
pseudo-fuse
> that acts similar to, but not exactly to a regular grenade fuse. If
any of
> you want to "proofread" my blueprints for this grenade, email me at
> GFre...@Antionline.com. This is not my primary email address, so I
won't
> be checking it every day, but I will check it often, and I will upload
the
> .bmp file of my blueprints.
>
used
> by certain organizations to blind/deafen or at least shock the
target(s) and
> allow quick and easy entry and completion of the task at hand, be it
> counter-terrorism or a drug bust, etc... I know that magnesium and
> aluminum both make spectacularly bright flashes, but magnesium also
burns
> very hot, and I was wondering if these types of grenades used this
type of
> filler. and again, thank you in advance :)
Flash-bang grenades (aka, stun grenades) from what i've heard use 9
grams of pyrotechnic flash powder composition (not sure exactly which
one, but i'd imagine that it would certainly contain magnesium for most
brilliance luminisity output) in a aluminum casing.
They are thrown not too far from the criminal or suspect and disable
somebody for about 3 seconds completley, after about at least 5 seconds
the affected person would have been well aware of what happend.
The flashbang fuze is probably similar to a ordinary grenade fuze, but
the length time of which these fuzes burn is very short -1.5 second burn
time of the fuze of a flash-bang, it is generally no longer than that.
The reason the fuze is so short is so that the flash-bang grenade can
not be thrown back, after being thrown e.g. by the SWAT team.
These stun grenades are designed to temporarily blind and deafen
hostiles into submission. And it is also not unusual for such a device
to start a fire (Magnesium itself burns at 2,000 deg. C, with the
additional pyrotechnic oxidizing agent, over 2,000 deg. C in the
explosion) so a fire starting from one of these thrown around
materials that are capable of catching fire would be no surprise.
>
> G. Freeman wrote in message ...
> >How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin and
> throw"?
> >is there a way to make a fuse similar to that? Thanks in advance for
your
> >help!
> >
> >-Coder
> >
> >
>
>
Trevor L. Jackson, III
uberchlor wrote:
They are also lethal. Innocent people get killed when F/B devices are used
incautiously. Typically the F/B is inserted into a residence far from the
point of entry of the invaders in order to distract the residents during the
initial few seconds of the invasion. If the insertion is not handled
carefully, innocents suffer.
Imagine sleeping peacefully in your bed and having an F/B device land in the
bed with you. Since such a proximate energetic disassembly is incompatible
with life, you die.
>
>
> The flashbang fuze is probably similar to a ordinary grenade fuze, but
> the length time of which these fuzes burn is very short -1.5 second burn
> time of the fuze of a flash-bang, it is generally no longer than that.
> The reason the fuze is so short is so that the flash-bang grenade can
> not be thrown back, after being thrown e.g. by the SWAT team.
>
> These stun grenades are designed to temporarily blind and deafen
> hostiles into submission.
F/B devices are designed to distract not subdue.
George Herbert
>> These stun grenades are designed to temporarily blind and deafen
>> hostiles into submission.
>
>F/B devices are designed to distract not subdue.
Um. No.
F/B devices are extremely useful to distract under some
tactical conditions, and their employment for that is
generally encouraged when appropriate as it's a safe
and useful secondary application for existing equipment
in people's kit.
F/B devices are specc'ed and designed to temporarily
incapacitate via sensory overload subjects in near
physical proximity to their detonation. This is a
very real, intentional effect. I haven't gone through
the demonstration personally, but I've seen videotapes
of police and military spec ops people doing shoot-the-screen
combat reactions testing before and after flashbangs were
fired in their immediate vicintity. Often they don't even
realize there's a threat for several seconds, and both reaction
time and accuracy of fire are significantly degraded at
five seconds and affected at ten seconds. Those are fulltime
professionals reacting mind you, not average perps. The light
intensity and sound intensity needed to get this effect
for a reasonably sized room and/or distance from the
grenade for subjects relatively in the open are intentional
design goals for the devices.
-george william herbert
gher...@crl.com
Trevor L. Jackson, III
Yes. The sensory effects you describe are real, and are the principal design
goal for F/B and related devices. The objective is to reduce the
effectiveness of the defenders. The original claim was that the sensory
effects induce the defenders to submit to the invaders. That claim is false.
I used the term distract, which may be a poor choice of words. I meant to
indicate a temporary lapse in attention away from resistance. That is the
principal effect, a reduction in the intention to resist. The secondary
effect is to reduce the capability to resist by interfering with visual and
auditory inputs.
With respect to the tapes you mentioned, most cops and soldiers are not
warriors. Most police officers (patrol officers) are not geared mentally for
combat. Their performance under sudden combat conditions is poor. The same
applies to soldiers, where the (WW2?) statistic was three men in a platoon
will actually fight (shoot) effectively. Of course, most citizens aren't
warriors either. ;-) If the subjects of the tapes were selected for their
combat capabilities, (recon marines, army rangers, air force PJs) then their
reactions are more significant.
Videographic evidence similar to that you have cited exists for pepper spray.
But the reactions have a bimodal distribution. Most subjects are
substantially debilitated by facial exposure. But a few just get motivated,
physically prop one eye open, and perform at extremely high levels. YMMV.
George Herbert
Ok. Thanks for clarifying that.
>I used the term distract, which may be a poor choice of words. I meant to
>indicate a temporary lapse in attention away from resistance. That is the
>principal effect, a reduction in the intention to resist. The secondary
>effect is to reduce the capability to resist by interfering with visual and
>auditory inputs.
Physiological studies indicate that the capability reduction is
the major component; it's not very much a mental effect.
>With respect to the tapes you mentioned, most cops and soldiers are not
>warriors. Most police officers (patrol officers) are not geared mentally for
>combat. Their performance under sudden combat conditions is poor. The same
>applies to soldiers, where the (WW2?) statistic was three men in a platoon
>will actually fight (shoot) effectively. Of course, most citizens aren't
>warriors either. ;-) If the subjects of the tapes were selected for their
>combat capabilities, (recon marines, army rangers, air force PJs) then their
>reactions are more significant.
The video in question was using police SWAT officers and military Spec Ops
personel, not normal patrol police officers... i.e., the people who would
be carrying F/B devices as normal load and are expected to be trained
to use them, and lethal force, as needed.
I have seen a similar tape which used "normal" cops as the subjects;
they were functionally incapacitated a bit longer, but the recovery
curve looked pretty similar to those of "warriors" as you put it.
Of course, the "warriors" have better reactions and at any given
point in the demonstration are more effective than a "normal"
subject will be, but they were still functionally out of it
for several seconds and had significantly slower reactions and
less accurate fire out to ten seconds or so.
>Videographic evidence similar to that you have cited exists for pepper spray.
>But the reactions have a bimodal distribution. Most subjects are
>substantially debilitated by facial exposure. But a few just get motivated,
>physically prop one eye open, and perform at extremely high levels. YMMV.
Completely different issue. Pepper spray works primarily by
psychological effect; the eye closing reflex and some physiological
pain reactions are significant, but mostly people want to fall down
and stop hurting when it hurts that bad, so they do. As a result,
the people who are pissed off and/or have high pain tolerance and/or
are highly motivated and can function despite the pain will continue
to function, degraded somewhat from the physiological effects.
"extremely high levels" of physical effort due to the pain motivation
perhaps, but coordination and complex activities such as aiming
and firing a weapon are significantly degraded. They're still dangerous
hand to hand or with a knife, and dangerous in the sense that anyone
with a gun is dangerous, even if they can't aim it well at short
range it's still dangerous.
The knockback of brain function due to sensory overload in
a F/B device is mostly physiological, not psychological.
The effects will last longer in less well trained and less
motivated people, true. But the fact that even keyed up
special forces people who know it's coming are out of it
for several seconds and significantly degraded for several
more after one indicates that it's not a mostly psychological
impact like with O/C weapons.
-george william herbert
gher...@crl.com
Juan Rico
<full...@aspi.net> wrote:
>> F/B devices are extremely useful to distract under some
>> tactical conditions,
>Yes. The sensory effects you describe are real, and are the principal design
>goal for F/B and related devices.
The current politically correct term for flash-bangs is "Noise-Light
Distraction Device", which pretty well describes their intended
function. I've had several of these go off anywhere from 30 feet to 5
feet away from me, and I can attest to their effectiveness. The
overpressure is a very tactile thump in the chest, and the flash is
enough to leave you with an afterimage for several minutes; even with
eyes closed. No, they don't leave you gibbering helplessly on the
floor afterwards; but they do gain valuable seconds for the thrower.
NLDD's are only effective when used in conjunction with a dynamic
assault. They buy you a few seconds of disorientation and confusion to
get a team in a door. Combined with a good team who can maximize
speed, shock and surprise, they make an effective tool.
Most manufacturers of NLDD's have designed them so that there is
minimal flame expulsion; however, they reccommend that anyone using
one is trained on their use- Don't use them if there are young, ill,
or elderly present, flammable atmospheres, etc.; where and how to
place them effectively, that sort of thing. Unfortunately, some
departments tend to say "Hey, these things are neat" and purchase them
without training the SWAT guys on their safe and effective use.
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From: <G. Freeman>
Newsgroups: alt.engr.explosives
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 7:29 PM
Subject: Grenade Fuses
> How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin and
throw"?
> is there a way to make a fuse similar to that? Thanks in advance for your
> help!
>
> -Coder
>
>
you could use a spring and a peice of wood with a hole in it for a pin when
you
pull the pin the wood peice that has the filed down nail hits the primer
which
lights the fuse which in turn burns down and detonates the blasting cap
which
in turn sets of the EX and sends shrapnel all over the place !!!!
contact me at susan...@busprod.com this news group is more tech related
and not meant for these type qeustions go to exotic-weaapons
William Barwell
>I thank every one of you that has contributed to my knowledge of these
>that acts similar to, but not exactly to a regular grenade fuse. If any of
>you want to "proofread" my blueprints for this grenade, email me at
>GFre...@Antionline.com. This is not my primary email address, so I won't
>be checking it every day, but I will check it often, and I will upload the
>.bmp file of my blueprints.
>
>My next question is on how a "FlashBang" grenade works; like the ones used
>by certain organizations to blind/deafen or at least shock the target(s) and
>allow quick and easy entry and completion of the task at hand, be it
>counter-terrorism or a drug bust, etc... I know that magnesium and
Some of these are simply a very loud whistle. They have
an inner and outer shell, the outer shell is to insulate
the hot inner shell from catching things on fire.
The inner shell has a slow deflagerating charge that produces
a lot of gas, the gas is expelled through essentially,
a whistle device. Loud as hell, some will give you 140 decibels.
There are any number of proprietary designs around.
They can be hard to get, LEO only devices.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
uberchlor
also
> > burns
> > > very hot, and I was wondering if these types of grenades used this
> > type of
> > > filler. and again, thank you in advance :)
> >
> > Flash-bang grenades (aka, stun grenades) from what i've heard use 9
> > grams of pyrotechnic flash powder composition (not sure exactly
which
> > one, but i'd imagine that it would certainly contain magnesium for
most
> > brilliance luminisity output) in a aluminum casing.
> >
> > They are thrown not too far from the criminal or suspect and disable
> > somebody for about 3 seconds completley, after about at least 5
seconds
> > the affected person would have been well aware of what happend.
>
> They are also lethal. Innocent people get killed when F/B devices are
used
> incautiously.
Correct. I think we all know here what 9 grams of flash is capable of
doing.
> Typically the F/B is inserted into a residence far from
the
> point of entry of the invaders in order to distract the residents
during the
> initial few seconds of the invasion. If the insertion is not handled
> carefully, innocents suffer.
True, inexperienced or stubborn people is what can cause such a drastic
result. That is why training is required in order to understand the use
and hazards of such devices.
>
> Imagine sleeping peacefully in your bed and having an F/B device land
in the
> bed with you.
This would only happen if i did something very wrong towards, or broke
the law, which is very unlikely, or if some adolescents obtained such a
device and happened to see me sleeping peacefully, which is also very
unlikely, but still somewhat in the range of possibilities.
> Since such a proximate energetic disassembly is
incompatible
> with life, you die.
Only partially true, such a device was not meant for the purpose of
being a grenade of killing, such as fragmentation and blast grenades.
If the grenade is thrown in the proximity of your head or if you are
rather sensitive to loud noises, then will you suffer heavily, or
possibly die.
>
> >
> >
> > The flashbang fuze is probably similar to a ordinary grenade fuze,
but
> > the length time of which these fuzes burn is very short -1.5 second
burn
> > time of the fuze of a flash-bang, it is generally no longer than
that.
> > The reason the fuze is so short is so that the flash-bang grenade
can
> > not be thrown back, after being thrown e.g. by the SWAT team.
> >
> > These stun grenades are designed to temporarily blind and deafen
> > hostiles into submission.
>
> F/B devices are designed to distract not subdue.
Yes, i think everyone here knows the purpose of a flash grenade, my
meaning was simply: to subdue them into an agreement (because their body
cannot control or handle such a violent shock or outburst of energy) to
surrender temporarily, yes it can be considered a distraction.
>
> > And it is also not unusual for such a device
> > to start a fire (Magnesium itself burns at 2,000 deg. C, with the
> > additional pyrotechnic oxidizing agent, over 2,000 deg. C in the
> > explosion) so a fire starting from one of these thrown around
> > materials that are capable of catching fire would be no surprise.
> >
> > >
> > > G. Freeman wrote in message ...
> > > >How do grenade fuses work, like the ones where you "pull the pin
and
> > > throw"?
> > > >is there a way to make a fuse similar to that? Thanks in advance
for
> > your
> > > >help!
> > > >
> > > >-Coder
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
uberchlor
Has anyone ever heard of the "liquid bullet"? it is supposed to be a
good self-defense weapon against multiple parties/attackers, that works
from 20 or 40 feet away to send some sort of signal or beams of some
sort that make the attackers feel like their skin is on fire and cause
severe nausea...
>In article <rkeefsknrp3ae9pd9...@4ax.com>,
were...@home.com wrote:
Enigma
effect.
In article <8dbivk$u7r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Xtramad
blasting cap as a substitute for a fuse.
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> standard us fuses are 3-5 seconds, not 1/2 second. the primer
> appears to be a standard pistol type, and the time delay channel
> is not a straight line. the igniter seems to be an ignition
> primed blasting cap. playing with grenades is not recommended,
> lots of little bitty bits of hot steel can ruin your day.
>
donald haarmann
> My next question is on how a "FlashBang" grenade works; like the ones used
> by certain organizations to blind/deafen or at least shock the target(s) and
> allow quick and easy entry and completion of the task at hand, be it
> counter-terrorism or a drug bust, etc... I know that magnesium and
> aluminum both make spectacularly bright flashes, but magnesium also burns
> very hot, and I was wondering if these types of grenades used this type of
> filler. and again, thank you in advance :)
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Well .... looking in my copy of Jane's "Security and CO-IN Equipment" 1990-91
there is certainly a large selection of these devices!!
The Haley and Weller (UK) E180/182 Stun hand grenade.
"busting with a loud report (187 dB) and brilliant flash (22 million candela for
10 milliseconds) which have a disorienting effect when used at close quarters
or in a confined space."
The E182 "has four submunitions contained inside.... [each] producing 177 dB and
6 - 7 million candelas."
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M460/M60M (USA) Thunder strip. "very thin, flat stun munition designed to be slid under
most doors."
M465/M365M Thunder rod. "[365M] 483mm long, 17mm in diameter designed to
be inserted into a room through a small hole such as that made by a 12-guauge solid
slug."
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Manadnock Lifetime Products (USA) Black Jack stun cartridge.
"a stun or non-lethal round which operates on a supersonic concussion
principle"
They also make the "Bear Trap" anti-personnel device. You take the 10 round 'ammo
cassette' out of your Pancor Jackhammer shotgun ... and turn it into a mine!!
What is lacking is info on the filler material. It has been suggested elsewhere that one manufactures
device used NC/aluminium with a blasting cap.
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donald j haarmann
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Back in the days when men were hunters and chestbeaters
and women spent their whole lives worrying about pregnancy and
dying in childbirth, they often had to be taken against their will.
Men complained that women were cold, unresponsive, frigid
.... They wanted their women wanton. They wanted their
women wild. Now women were finally learing to be wanton
and wild-and what happened? The men wilted.
Erica John