What explosive ?
Richard
"shock and awe" campaign. Miltitary explosives dont generally light up the
sky, and you get a deep boom with an aftershock.
I have a feeling the coalition forces put of a firework display, plenty of
frightening explosions with little damage.
Any thoughts?
PoDuck
sparks and flames, and others that have relatively little, or none. Just
because you see sparks doesn't mean it's not an explosive.
As far as what I've seen, the amount of "light" being put off by the
majority of the explosions I've seen are very consistent with military
explosives.
Realize, "bunker busters" have incindiary properties. Also, you can never
have an explosion without having heat as one of the byproducts. In fact,
the MOAB is basically a feul bomb. Note, I have neither seen, nor heard of
any evidence that a MOAB has been used in Iraq.
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Richard
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up with the way those explosions in Iraq looked.
Per Söderlind
"Richard" <richa...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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say a fuel tank or vehicle. I suppose also that a cruise missile have some
rocket fuel in addition to the payload, which would participate in the
explosion.
>
>
Eirik van der Meer
>> Isnt a bright orange flame consistant with a slow burn, something
>> dont add up with the way those explosions in Iraq looked.
> tThe bright orange flame may have come from something the missile/bomb
> hit, say a fuel tank or vehicle. I suppose also that a cruise missile
> have some rocket fuel in addition to the payload, which would
> participate in the explosion.
I think this might be the case, a cruise missile is equipped with a jet
enging and will most likely have fuel left when it hits the target...
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I see fragged people
PoDuck
at night and see what you get. If you see no light from that, I will eat my
hat.
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Boomer
the MOAB is basically a fuel bomb. "
I think you are confusing the 15,000 lb BLU 82 which is filled with GFX, a slurry of
ammonium nitrate and powdered aluminum . The MOAB is filled with solid Tritonal, a 80/20
mixture of TNT and powdered Aluminum
"Realize, "bunker busters" have incendiary properties. "
Well yes, but that is not the purpose. "Bunkers" are usually filled with one of the Eglin
HERD ( High Explosives Research and Development), explosives, usually Tritonal pellets.
The purpose of the Al is to add to the heat energy equation ( increase relative energy)
and increase heat and gas expansion, thus improving on the "Blast Effect" . The same
thing is used in the mining industry, AN with Al. The addition of Al can increase eR more
than 25 %
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: There are many types of explosives. There are explosives that have major
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> ". In fact,
> the MOAB is basically a fuel bomb. "
>
> I think you are confusing the 15,000 lb BLU 82 which is filled with GFX, a
slurry of
> ammonium nitrate and powdered aluminum . The MOAB is filled with solid
Tritonal, a 80/20
> mixture of TNT and powdered Aluminum
>
> "Realize, "bunker busters" have incendiary properties. "
>
> Well yes, but that is not the purpose. "Bunkers" are usually filled with
one of the Eglin
> HERD ( High Explosives Research and Development), explosives, usually
Tritonal pellets.
> The purpose of the Al is to add to the heat energy equation ( increase
relative energy)
> and increase heat and gas expansion, thus improving on the "Blast Effect"
. The same
> thing is used in the mining industry, AN with Al. The addition of Al can
increase eR more
> than 25 %
Yes, but TNT is already oxygen deficient while AN isn't.
Dirk
LOUIS
with CTAP...CTAP dissolves well in NM!
About 60g in 60ml NM!And despite CTAP make hell of a yellow flame when
burned/exploded here no single visible flame or coloration occured; since there
is no real OB improvement, I never explained this.
It is true that the pictures we had about the bombing were estonishing in the
fact there was a lot of golden effect (like Iron or C in pyro compositions) and
then bright flash like Al powder and again orange!
It really looked like a pyro show of fireworks; explosions didn't seem very
noisy :-?
And don't invite people to make terrorist acts; it is very bad idea in this
troubled times ;-)!
PH Z
LOUIS
compression wave travel trough air and then the flame front follows!
Chris Murray
> have an explosion without having heat as one of the byproducts. In fact,
> the MOAB is basically a feul bomb. Note, I have neither seen, nor heard of
> any evidence that a MOAB has been used in Iraq.
What exactly do you mean by a fuel bomb? Are you suggesting that the MOAB
is in some way a fuel-air/thermobaric weapon?
> "Richard" <richa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b5n9v1$2ag0qv$1...@ID-89874.news.dfncis.de...
> > Im a little confused as to what explosives were being used in the so
> called
> > "shock and awe" campaign. Miltitary explosives dont generally light up the
> > sky, and you get a deep boom with an aftershock.
In terms of light emission, an isolated explosion may well produce only a
small amount of visible light, especially during the daytime. If you have
an explosive device inside a structure then you will get enormous amounts of
particulate material thrown out with the blast. I would assume that much of
this contributes to the emission of light at the temperatures seen in the
immediate vicinity of the explosion. You've also got the components of the
delivery device to worry about, with a fair amount of nice oxidisable metal
and, potentially, residual fuel. Given that most of the footage we've seen
was shot at night, with camera equipment that is being used to shoot a
primarily dark scene, I'm not surprised that the flashes appear to be very
bright and intense.
As for the sound, that will depend entirely upon the position of the
observer relative to the explosion, surrounding features, etc. Listening
to the explosion via a microphone some distance away with other explosions
going off at pretty much the same time doesn't help either.
> > I have a feeling the coalition forces put of a firework display, plenty of
> > frightening explosions with little damage.
> > Any thoughts?
Yes. Complete crap.
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Eirik van der Meer
> Go blow up a building with RDX, the most commonly used military
> explosive, at night and see what you get. If you see no light from
> that, I will eat my hat.
Sounds like a safe bet to me :-)
Don Thompson
Off the top of my old gray beezer I don't know what explosive, or explosive
mixture, the MOAB uses for sure but here are some observations that I have
made.
1. The video replay of the detonation suggests that the filler is dispersed
just prior to explosively functioning.
2. The series of still photos of the Eglin test
( http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/moab.htm )
do not unequivocally show the full sequence very well. However the stills
suggest the fireball "filling in" the explosive cloud, which is quite
extensive in area covered but which doesn't expand spherically until it
covers a large ground surface.
3. The color of the fireball suggest some other explosive than the gelled
Al/NH4NO3, the fireball being more orange-yellow and subdued than the bright
yellow-white of BLU-82 bombs I have observed.
4. "News" reports that suggest the MOAB is of a thermobaric design. The
"explanation" given by one reporter was that the bomb was sequenced rather
than single source detonated. And another suggested some sort of powdered
explosive.
Now. What explosive, in powder form, will reliably detonate particle to
particle when dispersed so that the pressure pulse is time extended?
Tritonal? But what explains the subdued light output and darker colored
fireball observed? And the light gray smoke cloud?
Hmmm. More questions than answers on this new device.
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I suggest that tritonal explains all of it.
The TNT is oxygen deficient.
Where is the oxygen going to come from apart from the TNT?
Which means lots of carbon and Al oxide - black and white. I also assume
that this will burn in the atmosphere to some extent.
Dirk
Chris Murray
> I remember to have seen a bomb detonation and you can see the spherical
> compression wave travel trough air and then the flame front follows!
Anyone see the Equinox documentary on explosives, broadcast on Channel 4 in
the UK several years ago? There was a very nice example of this on that
program.
They had a demonstration explosion using maybe 2000 pounds of ANFO in a
truck, in a desert area in the US. Filmed via a mirror system, slow-motion
replay clearly showed the compression front moving through the air followed
by the fire ball, before the mirror was shattered by a rock.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
"Chris Murray" <c.b.m...@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, LOUIS wrote:
>
> > I remember to have seen a bomb detonation and you can see the spherical
> > compression wave travel trough air and then the flame front follows!
>
> Anyone see the Equinox documentary on explosives, broadcast on Channel 4
in
> the UK several years ago? There was a very nice example of this on that
> program.
>
> They had a demonstration explosion using maybe 2000 pounds of ANFO in a
> truck, in a desert area in the US. Filmed via a mirror system, slow-motion
> replay clearly showed the compression front moving through the air
followed
> by the fire ball, before the mirror was shattered by a rock.
I saw that.
Was amazed by the size of the fireball.
Dirk
PoDuck
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, PoDuck wrote:
>
> > have an explosion without having heat as one of the byproducts. In
fact,
> > the MOAB is basically a feul bomb. Note, I have neither seen, nor heard
of
> > any evidence that a MOAB has been used in Iraq.
>
> What exactly do you mean by a fuel bomb? Are you suggesting that the MOAB
> is in some way a fuel-air/thermobaric weapon?
I guess I misused the term "feul bomb". As far as my knowlege of this, I
haven't studied it much yet. My information comes from a military person
that was interviewed on the news. I'm sure he over simplified what it does.
He explained that it spread "feul" over a wide area, then ignited it. I
know he was using layman's terms, so I appologize for that overzealous
incorporation of faulty information.
Boomer
regards to increasing emery . The addition of Al to almost any explosive/propellant
substances increases its specific impulse and increases the reaction rate of the explosive
ingredients by increasing the detonation temperature and increasing the number of
Hot-Spots from which chemical reactions take place.
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: "Boomer" <wcw...@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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Boomer
"the fireball being more orange-yellow and subdued than the bright
yellow-white of BLU-82 bombs I have observed."
Yes, this is due to the Al. See Dirk's post, he is correct. Not all of the Al is consumed
during detonation and some is burnt off in the atmosphere often causing secondary
explosions. This is a well know fact and is also common in AN/AL detonations
""News" reports that suggest the MOAB is of a thermobaric design. The
"explanation" given by one reporter was that the bomb was sequenced rather
than single source detonated. And another suggested some sort of powdered
explosive."
Can't be, you can not get a thermobraic or FAE effect with something this big. Max size
for these is on the order of 2,000 lbs. These types of detonations are to hard to control
when producing a cloud of this size that would be created and almost always fail. Just
because the ball in not round and appears more flat, does not mean a sequence event,
although they usually are.
You may want to look at your own link
"Other reports indicate that the MOAB might use ***tritonal explosive as opposed to the
gelled slurry explosive of the BLU-82."
Not all tritonal explosives are the same, some are powdered al and TNT, some are flaked Al
and TNT and some are pelleted tritonal. Tironal is a basically a HBX explosive, High Blast
Explosive. It was one of the first along with Torpex followed by things such a, HBX-1,
HB-2, HBX-3, H-6. and HTA series. And the old Minol series and the DBX series
" However the stills
suggest the fireball "filling in" the explosive cloud, which is quite
extensive "
A characteristic of Tritonal
"Unlike the Daisy Cutter, the MOAB is released without the use of a parachute. "
Hmm, I see a parachute, how come is that ? I know just teasing :-)
Many military explosives produce detonations that are orange. I have many photos of such
"Now. What explosive, in powder form, will reliably detonate particle to
particle when dispersed so that the pressure pulse is time extended?"
None when they are this size.Atmospheric conditions control more than one thinks.and is
the reason behind the 2000 lb limit. I see nothing in that video that suggests "The
"explanation" given by one reporter was that the bomb was sequenced rather
than single source detonated'
Wait till they release the new "Big Blue" 30,000 lbs. That will toast some marshmallows
:-)
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: Bill,
: > : >
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: > :
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:
Don Thompson
test on the news the reporter claimed sequencing and that idea got in my
way.
Can't wait to watch "Bigger Blue" ! That is going to be some shot. Wish I
had been around when they did the Sailor Hat test. Have you seen the picture
of that one? It made a monster crater inland a ways that filled with sea
water and the level rises and falls with the tide.
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Jim Yanik
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> "Other reports indicate that the MOAB might use ***tritonal explosive
> as opposed to the gelled slurry explosive of the BLU-82."
> Not all tritonal explosives are the same, some are powdered al and
> TNT, some are flaked Al and TNT and some are pelleted tritonal.
> Tironal is a basically a HBX explosive, High Blast Explosive. It was
> one of the first along with Torpex followed by things such a, HBX-1,
> HB-2, HBX-3, H-6. and HTA series. And the old Minol series and the
> DBX series
Why would there be so many formulations called 'tritonal'?
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cliff eden
could it be a dust explosive?? maybe the tnt disperses the Al to gain the O2
it needs
Boomer
such as those that would be covered by a 21,000 lb bomb, to achieved maximum efficient
cloudd density just fail as the dispersion rate can't be controlled well.
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: could it be a dust explosive?? maybe the tnt disperses the Al to gain the O2
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Boomer
Different formulations give different results, depending on use and application. You may
want to ask yourself why so many different kinds of explosives, same reasons.
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LOUIS
Being a long time not seing you arround here; almost a year I think!
Stil busy with dendritic nanosized passivated Al powder?
I stil have a good part of the sample you provided to me...I keep it preciously!
I use it only for very special trials when my normal Al powders doesn't work! But owing to its reactivity, I keep batch
small.
Right now I'm working on a process to make fine Al powder from ultrasounds cavitation in inert solvants...but it seems
quite hard to perform!
A friend of me asked me if your Al powder has already been tested vs German Black used in some pyrocomposition?
PH Z
Henri Lehn wrote:
> In my sense in MOAB, that's evident they used on the outer part a shield of porous aluminum fulffilled with TNT.
> According to a calculation model it works well.
> This technology has been used for years by Russian.
> Bombing of Massawah Erythrean war under colonel Mengistru! In 1991..
>
> Henri Lehn
> "Don Thompson" <flas...@ix.netcom.comghost> a écrit dans le message de news: b5pqmd$ie1$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
Jim Yanik
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But why the -same- designation? Why is AN+Al called the same thing as
TNT+Al?
Why not tritonal-1,2,3,or A,B,C?
Or a different name,or call them modified tritonal.
So people would know what you're talking about.
I already *knew* there are reasons why they make different
formulations,just not why the same name.
Boomer
Ammonal. There is no name for AN/AL, it is a blasting agent used in the mining industry
I said
"Not all tritonal explosives are the same, some are powdered Al and TNT, some are flaked
Al
and TNT and some are pelleted tritonal (it is just Al and TNT in a pellet form rather than
a poured solid mass). Tironal is a basically a HBX explosive"
These are all HBX explosives, a general class for High Blast Explosives
"Torpex followed by things such a, HBX-1,
HB-2, HBX-3, H-6. and HTA series. And the old Minol series and the DBX series
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: "Boomer" <wcw...@chartermi.net> wrote in
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:
: > "Why would there be so many formulations called 'tritonal'?" AN/Al is called Amoatol.
I don't see where you got the idea that An/Al was the same as trional.
: >
: > Different formulations give different results, depending on use and
Roy Basan
> >:
> >: Why would there be so many formulations called 'tritonal'?
> >:
> >: --
> >: Jim Yanik,NRA member
> >: remove X to contact me
> >
> >
> >
>
> But why the -same- designation? Why is AN+Al called the same thing as
> TNT+Al?
> Why not tritonal-1,2,3,or A,B,C?
> Or a different name,or call them modified tritonal.
> So people would know what you're talking about.
>
> I already *knew* there are reasons why they make different
> formulations,just not why the same name.
Tritonal is basically the combination of TNT and Aluminum.
But An + Al is simply called ammonal.
Other related aluminized explosives are the
hexal(hexogen(RDX)/aluminum),
Some HBX contains RDX in combination with TNT and aluminum .One old
example is Torpex which is simply an aluminized composition
(RDX/TNT/ALUMINUM).
Other ternary composition is the
HTA(HMX/TNT/Aluminum),PAX-3(HMX/Aluminum/BDNPA/F)
Classifying Tritonal as a high blast explosive is reasonable as the
presence of aluminum in an explosive composition enhances its blast
effects.Therefore they perform similarly with other multi-component
high blast explosives like H-6 which (replaces torpex) and was
stabilized with wax(RDX/TNT/Al/wax/calcium chloride) .
Meanwhile the minols are basically aluminized amatols and the DBX(or
BBX) are similar to minols but it can contain RDX .
Roy
LOUIS
ingredients(TNT)!
Ammatols --> AN/TNT (40/60-50/50-80/20)!
Tritonals ---> TNT/Al
Ammongelites --> AN/NGlycol
Amatex --> AN/TNT/RDX
Hexals --> RDX/Al
Hexotonal --> RDX/TNT/Al
Following this: Amatonals would be AN/TNT/Al
Ammonit 3 --> AN/Al based industrial HE capsensitive supplied in large cartidges for
avalanche blasting!
PH Z
LOUIS
> Hi Phil,
> I tried to get in touch many times with you but your e-mail adress isn't working any more.
-Oops!My fault, I forgot to tell you my Email had changed...USA.net had become unfriendly address and I had to change for hotmail.com! I'll send you an Email at your yahoo.fr address!
> Yes still testing saling nanosized aluminum, our facility in the States is working well.
> Happy to know the sample I forwarded to you make you pleased.
-What quantity does it produce per day?Has it become industrial enough to provide super shuttle fuel?
You said at that time that your passivated dendritic nanosized Al powder was so good that it allowed to cover twice the distance of a normal Al fuel!
> We are going to produce aluminum diboride passivated in nanometric size. Good devlopment. I'll have a little sample for you.
-AlB2?Weird compound!For sure very rich as energy fuel!
I suppose you incorporate B inside molten Al (mp=660°C) to make some kind of alloy because it would be very hard to melt B (2079°C); funny property that you for sure use, is that they both display similar boiling points (2450 and 2550°C).
> Give me your e-mail adress and I'll send you some pictures of preparation of porous aluminum (not nanosized) fullfilled with TNT.
-Ah yes that famous Al cake with TNT saussage ;-)! Thermobaric norvegian bomb ;-)!
> Good results.
> I don't remember but in my sense we have never tested nanosized aluminum powder in germany. They tried to have a machine in Germany, but at a time they would like to produce oxyde.. and they forget about the reactivity of ultrafine divided powder with the air... no more machine.// call exit as it was said in former times...
-Nope, you misunderstood me; German Black is a very fine Al powder, so fine it looks black that is found in some type of powerful pyrotechnic compositions...your dendritic ultrafine nanosized Al powder has the same aspect!
I was just wondering if you had ever compared properties of the two?
Like specific surface, average particle size and shape, % oxyd layer and % metalic Al by weight of bulk powder...?
By what you wrote I understand that there was a lab or a plant accident in Germany?
Did the plant/reactor exploded or melted from pyrophoricity accident during a bad passivation?
PH Z
LOUIS
Boomer
ingredients(TNT)!"
Nope Louis someone has misinformed you guys. It is a USA explosive designed in WW I.
Reason, low supply of TNT. It wasn't used by the USA in WW II, because of good supply of
TNT
Ammonal is a castable composition;
USA
TNT 67 %
AN 22 %
Flaked Al 11 % ( but some were powdered)
German
TNT 30 %
AN 54 %
Al 16 %
Ref. Military Explosives; Department of the Army Tech Manual TM 9-1300-14
"Ammonit 3 "
That's a new one for me
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"LOUIS" <Loui...@SKYNET.be> wrote in message news:3E8229BD...@SKYNET.be...
: Ammonals --> AN/Al powder by definition & sometimes some booster additives as minor
:
Sidewinder
> "shock and awe" campaign. Miltitary explosives dont generally light up the
> sky, and you get a deep boom with an aftershock.
> I have a feeling the coalition forces put of a firework display, plenty of
> frightening explosions with little damage.
> Any thoughts?
This is what I know by some researching. Note that I do not claim this
information is correct, it's only what I've heard and what I've been
taught while I was serving in the army (not the US army).
Generally, missiles use high-order explosives like TNT and C-4. The
detonator device on this has a chemical delayer to make sure that the
missile explodes *inside* the building it was targetet to, not on the
wall. Today's AGMs (AGM = Air-to-Ground Missile) use C-4 and have
blast-fragmentation warhead. By now I haven't heard of explosive that
can produce those fireworks you see on CNN. The flames and sparks you
see come from the target's gas supply explode when being exposed to
the shock wave and the missile's propeller being fired by the
explosion. Missiles use hard oxidizer in their engines. When the
oxidizer is exposed to the shock wave it heats up. The oxidizer itself
cannot explode, neither can the fuel. However, when the ozidizer and
fuel are heated the speed of reaction between them is increased about
20 times. The hull of the missile is designed to sustain the pressure
produced during normal propulsion, not the highly energetic, almost
instant reaction between the oxidizer and the fuel. That's why the
engine (or at least the remainder from the cruise) explodes.
To make myself clear I'll give you an example of an oxidizer-fuel
combination. You can try this one yourself, but be careful if you need
your eybrows. Take a bottle of peroxide (sold in pharmacies as a
desinfectant, also used by artificial blondes) and heat it up to 80
Centigrade. Get a pile of about 100 gr. alluminium powder (you can
scratch it off a curtain trail). Put the powder in a container to
prevent it from splattering and pour the fuming peroxide on it.
depending on the purity of your alluminium it will either explode,
burst into flames or just start to fume. A simillar reaction is used
in missiles. In the above example neither the alluminium, nor the
peroxide can explode, but when the temperature of any of the compounds
is increased the speed of reaction is increased too.
The thing with the flames is a good point by the way. I was surprised
when I first had a training mission where real ammo was used. The
targets for RPGs were tank hulls, of course without he engine, fuel or
whatever. With the first shot our sergeant made a direct hit, but
instead of the explosion I expected the only thing that happened was
that the hull flew into pieces. This is because there wasn't any fuel
to explode inside.
And a final note about the ammo used by the coalition - though the US
military will never admit it, they use additional substances in their
missiles like sulfur that evaporate and contaminate the area. Also I
think there is sodium included, so when the firemen start pouring
water over the flames they move into a very interesting world. Cruise
missiles have a uranium stick along the core to increase the
penetrating capability of the projectile. Another wacky detail is the
use of chemical delayers in bombs. The delayers are set up to detonate
the device after 48 hours or something. This way a bomb can fall
through the roof, break the floors all the way to the basement and
explode there two days later. The chemical delayers are used because
they do not tick - thus they won't take the pains to disarm it.
LOUIS
The german seem more like an AMATONAL (Amatol + Al powder) while the american one looks also
like an AMATONAL (but more tritonal + AN)!
Why to have HEXOTONAL name that says RDX/TNT/Al if HEXAL (RDX/Al) and TRITONAL(TNT/Al)
CYCLOTOL (RDX/TNT)?
OCTOL(HMX/TNT)
PH Z
Boomer
That depends on how you want to look at it Louis> there are foreign names and USA names.
Hexotol and Hexontonal are both Swedish names and have a different com. Hexontonal's USA
counterpart is Torpex. There are 3 types of Hexontonal. Hexotol is the same thing as 60/40
Cylconite ( a USA name)
Hexal is a Swiss explosive and really isn't just plaint RDX/AL, but a antiaircraft
ammunition where the Al is coated with a water insoluble wax, to prevent water-Al
reactions that release H
Have you heard of Hexonitas, Amatolos, Amonitas, Hexonite, Nizol, Totalit ?
Each country has their own name. All of these explosives have a different comp.Some times
the name is the same e.g. USA Amatol and Russian Amatol, same
I know what you mean, the names are confusing, especially when they are similar
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"LOUIS" <Loui...@SKYNET.be> wrote in message news:3E829D2A...@SKYNET.be...
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