Pot. Chlorate & Petroleum. Jelly ?

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Budice7

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Mar 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/31/98
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Ok..I have been reading some of these posts about improvised explosives using
Potassium Chlorate and Petroleum Jelly. My question is this...can Potassium
Perchlorate be used in place of the P. Chlorate? And, where can I read more
information on this mixture?

MikeR9182

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Mar 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/31/98
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>My question is this...can Potassium
>Perchlorate be used in place of the P. Chlorate?

Potassium Perchlorate is actually safer than potassium chlorate and will
produce the same results. I use pot chlorate because i have easy access to it

>And, where can I read more
>information on this mixture?
>

In all honesty..I've found this group to be the most reliable. With a few
exceptions..info off the net is fairly unsafe and directions shouldn't be
followed unless checked out here first.

Mike

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On 31 Mar 1998 03:56:30 GMT, bud...@aol.com (Budice7) wrote:

>Ok..I have been reading some of these posts about improvised explosives using

>Potassium Chlorate and Petroleum Jelly. My question is this...can Potassium
>Perchlorate be used in place of the P. Chlorate? And, where can I read more
>information on this mixture?

"composition M" from anarchists cookbook, and improvised weapons of the
american underground (geeesh!). in theory this COULD work. i doubt like
hell it would act like plastic explosive and detonate unconfined. might
do for a filler for a pipe bomb if you were short of match-heads for some
reason. (shrug) perchlorate instead? dunno, buy a pound, mix it, cap it,
light it, report back. we'll wait :)


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In article <199803312040...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

mike...@aol.com (MikeR9182) wrote:
>
> >My question is this...can Potassium
> >Perchlorate be used in place of the P. Chlorate?
>

As far as I know, potassium perchlorate is used to replace chlorate in
pyrotechnics because it is much more stable. Potassium chlorate has a crystal
structure which allows a much more intimate mixture of things. Sulfur is a
problem in chlorate mixtures because at relatively low temperatures the sulfur
melts into the crystal structure of the chlorate. This means that a fuel and
oxidizer are very intimately mixed. The energy of formation is funny because
it has a higher energy than its constituent atoms. This means that chlorate
is thermodynamically unstable. Combine this factor with the kinetic effect of
the close mix and we have an accident waiting to happen.

The petroleum jelly is a similar case except that the mixing effect cannot
occur to the same extent as sulfur.

Potassium perchlorate is used as a replacement for chlorate because it is
thermodynamically more stable and the crystal structure does not allow the
deep interpenetration of fuel and oxidizer. The result is that potassium
perchlorate is not (or should not be) a viable replacement in the chlorate
petroleum jelly system.

Ammonium perchlorate, chlorate, and nitrate OTOH are very interesting because
they combine fuel and oxidizer in one molecule (the perchlorate is used in
composite solid rocket fuel (space shuttle))

Ammonium Chlorate is very dangerous because of the same argument provided
above for sulfur (the fuel and oxidizer are in the SAME molecule) and is
thermodynamically unstable. This is a product of an anion exchange reaction
between any ammonium salt and any chlorate salt. This is why it is a dumb
idea to store AN with KClO3. The heat of reaction in between the solids in
damp air will set off the NH4ClO3, which will set off the AN and possibly the
KClO3 (if there is any fuel around).

This is all stuff I learned while researching a paper for Chemistry. Hope
that answers your question. The chlorate/perchlorate debate will be more
thoroughly discussed in any technical text on pyrotechnics. (disclaimer part:
this was around five-six years ago, so some details may be foggy)


> Potassium Perchlorate is actually safer than potassium chlorate and will
> produce the same results. I use pot chlorate because i have easy access to it
>

> >And, where can I read more
> >information on this mixture?
> >

> In all honesty..I've found this group to be the most reliable. With a few
> exceptions..info off the net is fairly unsafe and directions shouldn't be
> followed unless checked out here first.
>
> Mike
>

I concur with some of the above, just remember that a lot of people here
really do not like to be asked about amateur anarchy questions and will likely
send you off with nonsense answers.

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On Tuesday, March 31, 1998 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Budice7 wrote:
> Ok..I have been reading some of these posts about improvised explosives using
> Potassium Chlorate and Petroleum Jelly. My question is this...can Potassium
> Perchlorate be used in place of the P. Chlorate? And, where can I read more
> information on this mixture?

Get a kindle copy of the Chemistry of powder and Explosives if you want to read more about that mix.
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