Re: Antidote vs Antibiotic

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 15, 2016, 8:50:51 AM11/15/16

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On 15/11/2016 6:00 PM, K Wills wrote:
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>> Are they really different?
>
> Yes.

Can't they have similar symptoms?

CDB

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Nov 15, 2016, 9:32:57 AM11/15/16

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On 11/15/2016 8:50 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> K Wills wrote:

>>> Are they really different?

>> Yes.

> Can't they have similar symptoms?

I think you mean "effects". Not sure exactgly what you mean by "similar".

An antidote counteracts the effects of a poison.

An antibiotic kills bacteria or prevents their spread.

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 15, 2016, 9:48:41 AM11/15/16

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On 15/11/2016 10:32 PM, CDB wrote:
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> I think you mean "effects". Not sure exactgly what you mean by "similar".
> An antidote counteracts the effects of a poison.
> An antibiotic kills bacteria or prevents their spread.

When the poison is nano-ized, is it still a virus or just molecules of
poison?

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 15, 2016, 9:49:12 AM11/15/16

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oops... but still make some sense. :)

Don Phillipson

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Nov 15, 2016, 12:26:06 PM11/15/16

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"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> When the poison is nano-ized, is it still a virus or just molecules of
> poison?

The OP already knows the answer: e.g. lead is a familiar poison
and (a mineral element) is not and never was a virus.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 15, 2016, 12:30:50 PM11/15/16

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On 16/11/2016 1:10 AM, Don Phillipson wrote:
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> The OP already knows the answer: e.g. lead is a familiar poison
> and (a mineral element) is not and never was a virus.

Then lead was and is a *physical* if not a *chemical* poison?
Virus are *biological* poison?

(I am wondering whether micro-plastic is chemical or physical...)

Joy Beeson

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Nov 17, 2016, 11:05:37 PM11/17/16

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:30:51 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Then lead was and is a *physical* if not a *chemical* poison?
> Virus are *biological* poison?

A virus is a living creature. (Borderline living, but that's a topic
for a biology group.)

A virus is small enough to pass through filters that stop even the
very smallest bacteria. When researchers first noticed that
communicable diseases could be spread by bacteria-free substances,
they called the mysterious agent a "filterable virus" -- perhaps
generalizing from "poison" to "something harmful". When they finally
got microscopes good enough to show them what the unknown agent was,
the name "virus" stuck. After all, English has "poison" and "toxin"
and can get along quite well without "virus".

Viruses are not affected by antibiotics. Antibiotics are poisons that
affect bacteria more severely than they affect mammal cells.

<digression>
That is why you have to keep taking an antibiotic after symptoms
subside: if you stop too soon, the bacteria that were merely sickened
will perk up and re-populate you with germs that aren't particularly
sensitive to that poison. If you keep them sick for a while, your
immune system will get them.
</digression>

Viruses are simpler than bacteria, and don't, metaphorically speaking,
have the gears that antibiotics throw a monkey wrench into.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 18, 2016, 4:22:31 AM11/18/16

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Thank you, Master!

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 18, 2016, 4:38:32 AM11/18/16

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On 16/11/2016 6:03 PM, K Wills wrote:
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>> Can't they have similar symptoms?
>

> No.

The symptoms of flu, cold, and fever are similar. I am NOT trained in
the medical field.

Is there a poison that produce symptoms like common cold, but spread by
cigarettes/cigars/burning leaves via air? :)

Richard Tobin

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Nov 18, 2016, 5:05:02 AM11/18/16

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In article <o0mi5m$ags$4...@dont-email.me>,

Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>The symptoms of flu, cold, and fever are similar.

Fever *is* a symptom.

-- Richard

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 18, 2016, 5:15:36 AM11/18/16

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On 18/11/2016 6:14 PM, K Wills wrote:
>> Is there a poison that produce symptoms like common cold, but spread by
>> cigarettes/cigars/burning leaves via air? :)
>

> None that I am aware of.

You got any friend or cousin that knew toxicology if not chemistry? Ask
them and teach us, Master. :)

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 18, 2016, 5:16:03 AM11/18/16

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Thank you, Master! Interesting... :)

Pierre Jelenc

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Nov 18, 2016, 4:01:04 PM11/18/16

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In article <3frs2chd4o6346r5f...@4ax.com>,

Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>Viruses are simpler than bacteria, and don't, metaphorically speaking,
>have the gears that antibiotics throw a monkey wrench into.

Well, kind of. There are antiviral antibiotics, such as acyclovir; by
convention we don't call them "antibiotics" but it's just for
convenience's sake. They do act on viruses in the same general
manner as conventional antibiotics act on bacteria, by interfering --as
specifically as possible-- with essential metabolic pathways.

Pierre
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Pierre Jelenc
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The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Nov 19, 2016, 5:58:27 AM11/19/16

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On 19/11/2016 5:39 PM, K Wills wrote:
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> I am not your master.
> Let your psychiatrist know that your mental illness is not
> responding to current treatment.

Is it your psychiatrists or my psychiatrists?

So your psychiatrists if not secret agents infiltrated Hong Kong's
medical business, Master?