Re: America is at the crossroads
Barb Knox
<d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
[snip]
> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
and staffs are literate.
[snip]
> > It is not necessary to dwell too long on the implications for America.
> > The darkening of our nation mimics histories of many other nations.
> > The nations of the Caribbean, Central, and South America, are
> > predictive examples of the fate that awaits us.
Brutal conquest by a more technically advanced culture?
[snip]
> > They have attacked our Christian values
Unlike, say, the Conquistadors, who promoted Christian values?
[snip]
> > [T]he media has unfairly depicted me as a racist....
> > I recognize the important inherent distinctions between the races....
[snip]
> > http://www.davidduke.com/general/america-is-at-the-crossroads_22.html
>
> Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it is by David Duke
> but that does not detract from it's realities.
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> In article
> <d1567f76-aa10-40dd-a82e-9236bed5c...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 4:53 pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>
> > > They have attacked our Christian values
>
> Unlike, say, the Conquistadors, who promoted Christian values?
>
>
> > Well-crafted article. Some will fret that it is by David Duke
> > but that does not detract from it's realities.
I really agree that such an article would be better placed in context
where the ambiguities of racism were less openly disclosed. The brutal
honesty of this document leads one to think that there is more
involved in the deliberation of opinion in relation to the races than
simply maintaining one's preconceived views. Still, I believe the
place that persons of such opinions hold in the government is easily
outspoken by those who fear the collapse of the American economy.
Whenever doubt is directed toward a subject of racial inequity,
rational approaches to solving the problems that emerge inevitably
take a back seat to the dominance of certain opinions. Thus, to agree
with some persons and to disagree with others seems to be the best
approach to reducing the doubt of such questions.
Steve Hayes
>In article
><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>[snip]
>
>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>
>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>and staffs are literate.
I suppose the "brutal crimes of violence" includes all the back-stabbing that
those senators engage in.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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Peter Moylan
> [Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
> and rec.backcountry]
Why?
[alt.usage.english removed, since I couldn't see any English usage
content in this message. I had to guess about which group to follow up to.]
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For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Chuck Riggs
<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
>>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>>
>>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>>and staffs are literate.
>
>I suppose the "brutal crimes of violence" includes all the back-stabbing that
>those senators engage in.
No more brutal than what you will find in most corporations, I
suspect, or other government entities of a similar size.
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs,
An American who lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE
mm
>In article
><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>[snip]
>
>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>
>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>and staffs are literate.
Not only that, but what they have been calling corruption lately
includes getting something for one's own state, which is not
corruption.
They also call corruption getting something for some business or
industry in one's state, which is not corruption unless the
Congressman is paid, in money or in kind, to do it. If someone were
to get a tariff on imported maple syrup that benefitted the people in
the maple syrup industry of Vermont (I think that's the state),
because of the local economic multiplier, that will probably benefit
all the people in Vermont.
Corruption is benefitting personally in return for one's vote.
>[snip]
>
>> > It is not necessary to dwell too long on the implications for America.
>> > The darkening of our nation mimics histories of many other nations.
>> > The nations of the Caribbean, Central, and South America, are
>> > predictive examples of the fate that awaits us.
>
>Brutal conquest by a more technically advanced culture?
>
>[snip]
>
>> > They have attacked our Christian values
>
>Unlike, say, the Conquistadors, who promoted Christian values?
>
>[snip]
>
>> > [T]he media has unfairly depicted me as a racist....
I don't know who is being quoted, but David Duke is a racist pig, so
bad that both Dems and Reps in Louisiana united and successfully kept
him from being elected the last time he tried to run for office.
--
Posters should say where they live, and for which area
they are asking questions. I was born and then lived in
Western Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis 7 years
Chicago 6 years
Brooklyn, NY 12 years
Baltimore 26 years
tony cooper
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><d1567f76-aa10-40dd...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 4:53�pm, Western Voice [AKA David Duke] wrote:
>>[snip]
>>
>>> > One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>>> > where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>>> > violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>>
>>Although a massive amount of corruption does occur within and around
>>that building, it's "brutal" only in a metaphorical sense; the
>>corruption is usually quite sophisticated. There is certainly drug use,
>>but by far the most commonly abused drug there is alcohol. As for
>>illiteracy, I'm sure that 100% of Representatives, Senators, their aides
>>and staffs are literate.
>
>Not only that, but what they have been calling corruption lately
>includes getting something for one's own state, which is not
>corruption.
I dunno about that. Sen Ben Nelson "sold" his vote on the health care
reform legislation for some benefits to his state - Nebraska -
ostensibly without receiving any personal payoff.
Was it without a personal payoff, though? Don't you think Sen Nelson
will benefit from this from campaign donations from the beneficiaries
of the concessions granted? I expect that Mutual of Omaha will be
generous to Sen Nelson's campaign chest.
>
>Corruption is benefitting personally in return for one's vote.
>
Does the benefit have to be immediate, though?
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Cece
> In article
Did the original author not know the difference between "capital" and
"capitol," or the transcriber?
Michael Coburn
The "bring home the bacon" is _NOTHING_ compared to suck the butts of the
lobby. And it is primarily because of the cloture rule that these people
have such individual power. 60% of the people WANT a Public Option _AND_
a Medicare expansion with the Medicare tax ON ALL INCOME and not just
wages. But that gets canned because of LIEberman. The puny payments to
the others is a "nit".
--
"Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
Barb Knox
<6405d5ce-7250-4894...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Cece <ceceliaa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Did the original author not know the difference between "capital" and
> "capitol," or the transcriber?
Both, ISTM. (See the given URL for the author's text.)
Barb Knox
Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> wrote:
> Barb Knox wrote:
>
> > [Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
> > and rec.backcountry]
>
> Why?
>
> [alt.usage.english removed, since
>I couldn't see any English usage content in this message.
Look again, particularly the first paragraph.
[alt.usage.english re-added]
>I had to guess about which group to follow up to.]
Why? If you do a normal reply with a decent newsreader it will
crosspost to all the groups referenced and not muck with the Followup-To.
[original groups restored, with no explicit Followup-To]
mm
I thought I heard on the radio today that there is a lot more to this
than they've been saying, that puts it in a lot better light. But
then I took a nap and forgot almost everything I had heard. Hoping to
learn more later.
If there's no more to it, it seems blatently unconstitutional and
certain to be challenged and overturned, so I don't see the point in
doing it. So that's another reason I think there is more to it.
OT3H, there are a whole bunch of laws in Maryland that single out
counties, that name them, and don't even define them indirectly (like
"cities more than 700,000" which would only describe Baltimore). I
asked about this on a legal newsgroup and got an explanation why it
was legal, but it didnt' make sesne to me and now I've forgotten it.
:-(
>
>http://www.examiner.com/x-6356-Wichita-Independent-Examiner~y2009m12d22-Health-Care-Reform--Polls-say-public-against-but-payoffs-too-much-for-some-Dems-to-resist
This didn't go into any detail. Maybe we'll hear more later.
>Was it without a personal payoff, though? Don't you think Sen Nelson
>will benefit from this from campaign donations from the beneficiaries
>of the concessions granted? I expect that Mutual of Omaha will be
>generous to Sen Nelson's campaign chest.
>>
>>Corruption is benefitting personally in return for one's vote.
>>
>Does the benefit have to be immediate, though?
--
Glenn Knickerbocker
>Did the original author not know the difference between "capital" and
>"capitol," or the transcriber?
Dumb as David Duke may be, I suspect he knows the difference between
"capital" and the transcriber.
�R "MY FLIEGENDE HOLL�NDER WON'T STOP BLEEEEEEING!" --Poot
<http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/magictop.html> Rootbeer
mm
wrote:
>
>
>OT3H, there are a whole bunch of laws in Maryland that single out
>counties, that name them,
I mean, and have different laws for them. That sure sounds like a
14th Amendment violation, but it's been that way for decades, I think.
>and don't even define them indirectly (like
>"cities more than 700,000" which would only describe Baltimore). I
>asked about this on a legal newsgroup and got an explanation why it
>was legal, but it didnt' make sesne to me and now I've forgotten it.
>:-(
--
Athel Cornish-Bowden
> In article <I4CdncsBr_BPPa3W...@westnet.com.au>,
> Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> wrote:
>
>> Barb Knox wrote:
>>
>>> [Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
>>> and rec.backcountry]
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> [alt.usage.english removed, since
>
>> I couldn't see any English usage content in this message.
>
> Look again, particularly the first paragraph.
Not so easy, given that you don't quote it, and the original is long
since deleted from my list of messages. However, maybe you mean this:
>> One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>> where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>> violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
It's not a particularly elegant example of written English (I'd prefer
"coming change" or else a comma after "change coming", plus a comma
after "where") but I've seen much worse. The mere mention of illiteracy
and the mispelling (I presume) of "capital" hardly make it a topic for
alt.usage.english. So, perhaps you could explain why you think it's
relevant?
With some misgivings I'm leaving the groups as you had them, but I
agree with Peter
--
athel
mm
>
>[Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
>and rec.backcountry]
What if the OP only reads rec.food.cooking or rec.backcountry?
Steve Hayes
I thought the aue point was the misuse of "capitol". The writer probably meant
"capital".
Barb Knox
mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:18 +1300, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> wrote:
>
> >
> >[Added alt.english.usage and alt.usage.english, removed rec.food.cooking
> >and rec.backcountry]
>
> What if the OP only reads rec.food.cooking or rec.backcountry?
Then that would have been some very odd groups to post the original
article from. My ISP only allows up to 6-way posts, so I had to remove
some groups in order to add groups. ISTM the article is 99.99%
irrelevant to those removed groups. For a challenge, try to find a
short "N-degrees" chain between the article and one of those groups.
Here's a lame example:
the article -- racism -- rednecks -- roadkill -- rec.food.cooking
Athel Cornish-Bowden
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:21:01 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <acor...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-12-23 01:11:24 +0100, Barb Knox <s...@sig.below> said:
>>
>>> In article <I4CdncsBr_BPPa3W...@westnet.com.au>,
>>> Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp@retep> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [ ... ]
>>>> I couldn't see any English usage content in this message.
>>>
>>> Look again, particularly the first paragraph.
>>
>> Not so easy, given that you don't quote it, and the original is long
>> since deleted from my list of messages. However, maybe you mean this:
>>
>>>> One can see clearly the change coming by observing America�s capitol,
>>>> where despite the federal flood of our tax money, brutal crimes of
>>>> violence, drugs, illiteracy, and corruption flourish.
>>
>> [ ... ]
>> The mere ... mispelling (I presume) of "capital" hardly make it a topic for
>> alt.usage.english. So, perhaps you could explain why you think it's
>> relevant?
>>
> I thought the aue point was the misuse of "capitol". The writer probably meant
> "capital".
Well obviously, as I noted. But why do you think this constitutes an
aue point? What is there to discuss?
--
athel
Steve Hayes
<acor...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote:
In aue people are frequently giving Google counts of misspellings or variant
spellings, so it is clearly of interest to some participants. I think that is
why it was crossposted to aue, though you may tghink that whether it should
have been is a moot point.
Follow-ups set to aue.