hate or hatre (difference?)

[divcurl]

First, I've never come across the spelling "hatre" but it
appears to be another form for "hatred"?

Also, are hate and hatre(hatred?) different in their
meaning? I'm looking at the oxford etymology dictionary
and I see:
"hate sb.(substantive) XIII; partly - ON. hatr, partly
formed f. hate vb. under the influence of hatred"

does this mean that hatr comes from two things?
an old norse root and from a verb form of hate?

[Steve Hayes]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 17:46:57 -0700 (PDT), divcurl <div...@europe.com> wrote:

>First, I've never come across the spelling "hatre" but it
>appears to be another form for "hatred"?

Nor had I, until I came across your post.

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[CDB]

divcurl wrote:
> First, I've never come across the spelling "hatre" but it
> appears to be another form for "hatred"?
>>

Where did you see "hatre"? It looks like a mistake to me.

>>
> Also, are hate and hatre(hatred?) different in their
> meaning?
>>

"Hate" can be either a verb or a noun. When it is a noun, it means
the same thing as the noun "hatred", but "hatred" is a more formal
word.

>>
> I'm looking at the oxford etymology dictionary
> and I see:
> "hate sb.(substantive) XIII; partly - ON. hatr, partly
> formed f. hate vb. under the influence of hatred"
>
> does this mean that hatr comes from two things?
> an old norse root and from a verb form of hate?
>>

It means that the English noun "hate" came to be used (in the Middle
Ages) because people in parts of England where Old Norse was widely
spoken already knew the word in that language. The "r" at the end of
the word is a grammatical ending, so "hat(r) and "hat(e) are nearly
the same word.
>>
The influence of "hatr" and "hatred" ("hate-condition") may be
mentioned because their example influenced the vowel of the original
Old English noun, "hete", changing it from "e" to "a".

[Daniel James]

In article <832ae15e-7c0e-4480-a891-

ee817f...@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Divcurl wrote:
> First, I've never come across the spelling "hatre" but it
> appears to be another form for "hatred"?

What is the context in which you have seen "hatre"?

I would hazard a guess that it is a typo (especially as 'r' appears
between 't' and 'e' on a qwerty keyboard).
--
Cheers,
Daniel.