English Japanese (Eisei-Wago)
Tomoyuki Tanaka
"papa-san" chairs
"mama-san"
"gi" (formed from "juudou-gi")
>Satoru Miyazaki wrote:
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>> We often talk about Wasei-Eigo that looks like an English word, but was
>> concocted by the Japanese like "full base" (bases loaded), "tank lory"
>> (gasoline truck), etc., etc. Now can you give the opposite examples, i.e.,
>> that look like Japanese words, but often meanings have changed. There are
>> not many. Examples may include: kamikaze (suicidal mission); sensei
>> (instructor of karate or judo); futon (a kind of sofa); hibachi (grill on a
>> hot iron plate); shinpai (match making); nappa (Japanese cabbage).
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Tech Donn
Tomoyuki Tanaka wrote:
>
> "papa-san" chairs
>
> "mama-san"
>
> "gi" (formed from "juudou-gi")
>
> >Satoru Miyazaki wrote:
> >
> >> We often talk about Wasei-Eigo that looks like an English word, but was
> >> concocted by the Japanese like "full base" (bases loaded), "tank lory"
> >> (gasoline truck), etc., etc. Now can you give the opposite examples, i.e.,
> >> that look like Japanese words, but often meanings have changed. There are
> >> not many. Examples may include: kamikaze (suicidal mission); sensei
> >> (instructor of karate or judo); futon (a kind of sofa); hibachi (grill on a
> >> hot iron plate); shinpai (match making); nappa (Japanese cabbage).
How about karaoke? I'm not sure if the original meaning in Japan was any different.
Tomoyuki Tanaka
Japz and US karaoke are exactly the same.
Richard L. Brown
>How about karaoke? I'm not sure if the original meaning in Japan was any
>different.
It means the same thing, but what may not be obvious is that the "-oke"
part of the word is a shortening of the English "orchestra". So "karaoke"
in Japanese has an English root, but in English it's a Japanese loan-word!
Rich
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Masaki Nagashima
Richard L. Brown wrote:
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> In article <324973...@cnmnet.com>, zo...@cnmnet.com (Tech Donn) writes:
>
> >How about karaoke? I'm not sure if the original meaning in Japan was any
> >different.
>
> It means the same thing, but what may not be obvious is that the "-oke"
> part of the word is a shortening of the English "orchestra". So "karaoke"
> in Japanese has an English root, but in English it's a Japanese loan-word!
In this case, "Kara" means empty. So "Kara-Orchestra" means the songs containing
only instrumental sounds so that you can sing along.
That's my understanding of the word.
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Colin Fine
In article <52crag$6...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Tomoyuki Tanaka
<ez07...@boris.ucdavis.edu> writes
>
>Japz and US karaoke are exactly the same.
>
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Earle D. Jones
In article <mRrw7hAJ...@kindness.demon.co.uk>, Colin Fine
<co...@kindness.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52crag$6...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Tomoyuki Tanaka
> <ez07...@boris.ucdavis.edu> writes
> >
> >Japz and US karaoke are exactly the same.
> >
> How is it pronounced in the US? Here it's usually Carry-Oaky.
>
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It irritates me greatly the way Americans mispronounce Japanese words.
The "Carry-Oaky" is typical for *karaoke*--or "k'roddy" for *karate*.
What do these two words have in common--singing along with prerecorded
music and Japanese fighting?
Kara = empty.
Karaoke = empty orchestra.
Karate = empty hand.
earle
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Jennifer Elizabeth Martin
Colin Fine (co...@kindness.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <52crag$6...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Tomoyuki Tanaka
: <ez07...@boris.ucdavis.edu> writes
: >
: >Japz and US karaoke are exactly the same.
: >
: How is it pronounced in the US? Here it's usually Carry-Oaky.
From my understanding, in the Mainland US it is pronounced the same way
you pronounce it, but in Hawaii we pronounce it Kah-da-o-kay (or something
along those lines). This is closer to the way it is pronounced in
Japanese. In Hawaii we try to pronounce Japanese words as they are
pronounced in Japan because we have such a high population of people of
Japanese ancestry here as well as many, many Japanese tourists!
--Jenn