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fl
Mar 24, 2013, 11:18:01 AM3/24/13
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Hi,
I find that there is a street plate titled: Truman PL. I never see "PL" on a street name. What is it for? Thanks,
I find that there is a street plate titled: Truman PL. I never see "PL" on a street name. What is it for? Thanks,
Tony Cooper
Mar 24, 2013, 11:24:21 AM3/24/13
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:18:01 -0700 (PDT), fl <rxj...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Hi,
>I find that there is a street plate titled: Truman PL. I never see "PL" on a street name. What is it for? Thanks,
Place. The full name is Truman Place...a very common term for short
street in the US.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
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>Hi,
>I find that there is a street plate titled: Truman PL. I never see "PL" on a street name. What is it for? Thanks,
street in the US.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
micky
Mar 25, 2013, 12:20:03 AM3/25/13
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>Hi,
>I find that there is a street plate titled: Truman PL. I never see "PL" on a street name. What is it for? Thanks,
I hope the very reasonable practice of double capitals used by the US
>I find that there is a street plate titled: Truman PL. I never see "PL" on a street name. What is it for? Thanks,
Post Office to identify states, like FL for Florida has not infested
other areas of life.
It's sad enough that it's got people who are not Post Office
electronic name recognitiion sorting machines using FL and OH in their
everyday writing, a practice I find obnoxious. The PO doesn't
control or even influence how I write a state name's abbreviation.
Here you seem to have gone one step further and captialized the L in
Pl. That is horrific. Did you copy this from some place or do it
on your own? (No need to answer if it would embarrass you.) It
looks like Truman, Poland.
Anyhow, Pl. stands for Place. The most famous of these in the US is
Sutton Place, in NYC, one block east of 1st Avenue, from 57th to 59th.
Named that in 1883 or earlier. It's one of the richest small areas in
the country, and the reason some stores name themselves Sutton Place
this or that, to connote the high quality that rich people often seek.
The next four blocks south are Sutton Pl. South.
Tony Cooper
Mar 25, 2013, 12:30:27 AM3/25/13
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:20:03 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
Gotta love a guy who is horrified at the use of caps in place names
where not required by the post office, and then writes "NYC" and
first-letter-capitalizes "Post Office".
wrote:
where not required by the post office, and then writes "NYC" and
first-letter-capitalizes "Post Office".
Richard Owlett
Mar 25, 2013, 6:46:12 AM3/25/13
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Post Office is used as a proper noun. It was not referring
a generic post office but to a specific one. Proper nouns
are always capitalized, at least the were back when I
learned early spelling rules in first half of last century.
Also never heard of "Sutton Place" though grew up in Upstate
New York. Bet more people recognize Atlantic City's Park
Place, thank you Parker Brothers.
Richard
SGF MO ;}
Tony Cooper
Mar 25, 2013, 9:21:18 AM3/25/13
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you are thinking of them as replacements for a proper noun. For
example, "US Mail" is capitalized as a proper noun phrase on the USPS
websites, but the word "mail" wouldn't be capitalized even though it
stands for "US Mail".
Also, what or where is the "Post Office" that is the specific one you
mention? It is the United States Postal Service (or USPS) that
determines the rules of addressing envelopes.
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Mar 25, 2013, 9:50:44 AM3/25/13
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>Anyhow, Pl. stands for Place. The most famous of these in the US is
>Sutton Place, in NYC, one block east of 1st Avenue, from 57th to 59th.
>Named that in 1883 or earlier. It's one of the richest small areas in
>the country, and the reason some stores name themselves Sutton Place
>this or that, to connote the high quality that rich people often seek.
>The next four blocks south are Sutton Pl. South.
From outside the US the most famous Place in the US may be Peyton Place.
>Sutton Place, in NYC, one block east of 1st Avenue, from 57th to 59th.
>Named that in 1883 or earlier. It's one of the richest small areas in
>the country, and the reason some stores name themselves Sutton Place
>this or that, to connote the high quality that rich people often seek.
>The next four blocks south are Sutton Pl. South.
OK, so it's fictional.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
Pavel314
Mar 25, 2013, 10:33:12 AM3/25/13
to Peter Duncanson
On Monday, March 25, 2013 9:50:44 AM UTC-4, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:20:03 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote: >Anyhow, Pl. stands for Place. The most famous of these in the US is >Sutton Place, in NYC, one block east of 1st Avenue, from 57th to 59th. >Named that in 1883 or earlier. It's one of the richest small areas in >the country, and the reason some stores name themselves Sutton Place >this or that, to connote the high quality that rich people often seek. >The next four blocks south are Sutton Pl. South. From outside the US the most famous Place in the US may be Peyton Place. OK, so it's fictional. -- Peter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage)
How about Park Place, one of the most expensive properties in the game Monopoly?
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:20:03 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote: >Anyhow, Pl. stands for Place. The most famous of these in the US is >Sutton Place, in NYC, one block east of 1st Avenue, from 57th to 59th. >Named that in 1883 or earlier. It's one of the richest small areas in >the country, and the reason some stores name themselves Sutton Place >this or that, to connote the high quality that rich people often seek. >The next four blocks south are Sutton Pl. South. From outside the US the most famous Place in the US may be Peyton Place. OK, so it's fictional. -- Peter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage)
Paul, USA
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Mar 25, 2013, 10:45:34 AM3/25/13
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314 <pin...@jhmi.edu>
wrote:
Monopoly boards are localised. There are US versions and UK versions
plus some others. Those sold in the UK have UK properties rather than US
properties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29#UK_version
In the 1930s, John Waddington Ltd. (Waddingtons) was a firm of
printers from Leeds that had begun to branch out into packaging and
the production of playing cards. Waddingtons had sent the card game
Lexicon to Parker Brothers hoping to interest them in publishing the
game in the United States. In a similar fashion, Parker Brothers
sent over a copy of Monopoly to Waddingtons early in 1935 before the
game had been put into production in the United States.
The managing director of Waddingtons, Victor Watson, gave the game
to his son Norman (who was head of the card games division) to test
over the weekend. Norman was impressed by the game and persuaded his
father to call Parker Brothers on Monday morning – transatlantic
calls then being almost unheard of. This call resulted in
Waddingtons obtaining a license to produce and market the game
outside of the United States. Watson felt that for the game to be a
success in the United Kingdom, the American locations would have to
be replaced, so Victor and his secretary, Marjory Phillips, went to
London to scout out locations. The Angel, Islington is not a street
in London but an area of North London named after a coaching inn
that stood on the Great North Road. By the 1930s, the inn had become
a Lyons Corner House (it is now a Co-operative Bank). Some accounts
say that Marjory and Victor met at the Angel to discuss the
selection and celebrated the fact by including it on the Monopoly
board. In 2003, a plaque commemorating the naming was unveiled at
the site by Victor Watson's grandson, who is also named Victor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29#Games_by_locale_or_theme
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plus some others. Those sold in the UK have UK properties rather than US
properties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29#UK_version
In the 1930s, John Waddington Ltd. (Waddingtons) was a firm of
printers from Leeds that had begun to branch out into packaging and
the production of playing cards. Waddingtons had sent the card game
Lexicon to Parker Brothers hoping to interest them in publishing the
game in the United States. In a similar fashion, Parker Brothers
sent over a copy of Monopoly to Waddingtons early in 1935 before the
game had been put into production in the United States.
The managing director of Waddingtons, Victor Watson, gave the game
to his son Norman (who was head of the card games division) to test
over the weekend. Norman was impressed by the game and persuaded his
father to call Parker Brothers on Monday morning – transatlantic
calls then being almost unheard of. This call resulted in
Waddingtons obtaining a license to produce and market the game
outside of the United States. Watson felt that for the game to be a
success in the United Kingdom, the American locations would have to
be replaced, so Victor and his secretary, Marjory Phillips, went to
London to scout out locations. The Angel, Islington is not a street
in London but an area of North London named after a coaching inn
that stood on the Great North Road. By the 1930s, the inn had become
a Lyons Corner House (it is now a Co-operative Bank). Some accounts
say that Marjory and Victor met at the Angel to discuss the
selection and celebrated the fact by including it on the Monopoly
board. In 2003, a plaque commemorating the naming was unveiled at
the site by Victor Watson's grandson, who is also named Victor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29#Games_by_locale_or_theme
Tony Cooper
Mar 25, 2013, 11:28:30 AM3/25/13
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:45:34 +0000, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314 <pin...@jhmi.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>On Monday, March 25, 2013 9:50:44 AM UTC-4, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:20:03 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote: >Anyhow, Pl. stands for Place. The most famous of these in the US is >Sutton Place, in NYC, one block east of 1st Avenue, from 57th to 59th. >Named that in 1883 or earlier. It's one of the richest small areas in >the country, and the reason some stores
>name themselves Sutton Place >this or that, to connote the high quality that rich people often seek. >The next four blocks south are Sutton Pl. South. From outside the US the most famous Place in the US may be Peyton Place. OK, so it's fictional. -- Peter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage)
>>
>>How about Park Place, one of the most expensive properties in the game Monopoly?
>>
>>Paul, USA
>
>Monopoly boards are localised. There are US versions and UK versions
>plus some others. Those sold in the UK have UK properties rather than US
>properties.
More specialized than that, even. You can buy a Monopoly game here
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT), Pavel314 <pin...@jhmi.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>On Monday, March 25, 2013 9:50:44 AM UTC-4, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:20:03 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote: >Anyhow, Pl. stands for Place. The most famous of these in the US is >Sutton Place, in NYC, one block east of 1st Avenue, from 57th to 59th. >Named that in 1883 or earlier. It's one of the richest small areas in >the country, and the reason some stores
>name themselves Sutton Place >this or that, to connote the high quality that rich people often seek. >The next four blocks south are Sutton Pl. South. From outside the US the most famous Place in the US may be Peyton Place. OK, so it's fictional. -- Peter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage)
>>
>>How about Park Place, one of the most expensive properties in the game Monopoly?
>>
>>Paul, USA
>
>Monopoly boards are localised. There are US versions and UK versions
>plus some others. Those sold in the UK have UK properties rather than US
>properties.
with the streets of Gainesville (University of Florida) or the streets
of Tallahassee (Florida State University) or several other
city-related versions. I'm sure that's the case anywhere in the US.
The Tallahassee version (Tallahassee is our state capital) should have
a political version with each street named after a state Senator or
Representative. Each player would be a lobbyist. You could buy the
street just as you can buy the politicians and the "rent" would be a
campaign donation. "Jail" would not be a penalty square since all
lobbyists have automatic "Get Out Of Jail" immunity. "Go" would be a
new client and crossing "Go" would pay $200,000. "Chance" would be
backing the wrong politician.
micky
Mar 25, 2013, 12:43:18 PM3/25/13
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:28:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The Tallahassee version (Tallahassee is our state capital) should have
>a political version with each street named after a state Senator or
>Representative. Each player would be a lobbyist. You could buy the
>street just as you can buy the politicians and the "rent" would be a
>campaign donation. "Jail" would not be a penalty square since all
>lobbyists have automatic "Get Out Of Jail" immunity. "Go" would be a
>new client and crossing "Go" would pay $200,000. "Chance" would be
>backing the wrong politician.
>
>--
>Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Sounds good. You could call it Monocracy. That will solve all your
<tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The Tallahassee version (Tallahassee is our state capital) should have
>a political version with each street named after a state Senator or
>Representative. Each player would be a lobbyist. You could buy the
>street just as you can buy the politicians and the "rent" would be a
>campaign donation. "Jail" would not be a penalty square since all
>lobbyists have automatic "Get Out Of Jail" immunity. "Go" would be a
>new client and crossing "Go" would pay $200,000. "Chance" would be
>backing the wrong politician.
>
>--
>Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
copyright problems, and truth is a defense to slander.
micky
Mar 25, 2013, 12:43:22 PM3/25/13
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>> who is horrified at the use of caps in place names
>> where not required by the post office, and then writes "NYC" and
first and only abbreviation, not some new replacement one adopted by
people who take the USPS as their leader.
>> first-letter-capitalizes "Post Office".
>>
>
>An OOPS and a nit needing picking ;/
>
>Post Office is used as a proper noun. It was not referring
>a generic post office but to a specific one. Proper nouns
>are always capitalized, at least the were back when I
>learned early spelling rules in first half of last century.
it's USPS or USPO, and I probably incorrectly lean to USPO because of
APO and FPO.
>
>Also never heard of "Sutton Place" though grew up in Upstate
Other than Park Place, that I forgot, I'm figuring none of the other
>Also never heard of "Sutton Place" though grew up in Upstate
"Places" are well known either, so Sutton Place may still be second. .
>New York. Bet more people recognize Atlantic City's Park
>Place, thank you Parker Brothers.
Monopoly. And I guess I really thought of those streets as boxes on
the board, not as streets.
>Richard
>SGF MO ;}
I forgot about Peyton Place too. I never read the book, or saw t he
movie or the tv show (whichever actually existed) so I'm not sure I
even knew it was a street.
John Varela
Mar 25, 2013, 3:19:36 PM3/25/13
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:43:22 UTC, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
How old is that "tradition" of calling New York City "NYC"? The US
Post Office (as it was then known) went to the two-letter state
abbreviations fifty years ago, in 1963. Since 1987 those
abbreviations have been standard in all US government documents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_codes
--
John Varela
Post Office (as it was then known) went to the two-letter state
abbreviations fifty years ago, in 1963. Since 1987 those
abbreviations have been standard in all US government documents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_codes
--
John Varela
micky
Mar 25, 2013, 3:51:21 PM3/25/13
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On 25 Mar 2013 19:19:36 GMT, "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net>
Hmmmm.
I saw letters addressed to NY 20, NY years before 1963. Well,
maybe not actual letters but instructions at the end of tv shows on
whom to write to to enter a contest or get tickets to Radio City, or
similar. Or self-addressed envelopes someone sent to my father.
I don't know how old NYC is but WNYC, the radio station owned by New
York City, goes back to 1924. Could NYC be far behind! :-)
>Post Office (as it was then known)
Well, no wonder I called it the US Post Office. and captialized Post
Office both times. Thanks.
> went to the two-letter state
>abbreviations fifty years ago, in 1963. Since 1987 those
>abbreviations have been standard in all US government documents.
That's okay for them.
But back to the OP it's still not okay to capitalize the l in Pl. for
Place.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_codes
I saw letters addressed to NY 20, NY years before 1963. Well,
maybe not actual letters but instructions at the end of tv shows on
whom to write to to enter a contest or get tickets to Radio City, or
similar. Or self-addressed envelopes someone sent to my father.
I don't know how old NYC is but WNYC, the radio station owned by New
York City, goes back to 1924. Could NYC be far behind! :-)
>Post Office (as it was then known)
Office both times. Thanks.
> went to the two-letter state
>abbreviations fifty years ago, in 1963. Since 1987 those
>abbreviations have been standard in all US government documents.
But back to the OP it's still not okay to capitalize the l in Pl. for
Place.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_codes
Jack Campin
Mar 26, 2013, 9:03:01 PM3/26/13
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>> NYC is traditional, and used by New Yorkers, And afaik it's the
>> first and only abbreviation, not some new replacement one adopted
>> by people who take the USPS as their leader.
> How old is that "tradition" of calling New York City "NYC"?
http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=nyc&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=
>> first and only abbreviation, not some new replacement one adopted
>> by people who take the USPS as their leader.
> How old is that "tradition" of calling New York City "NYC"?
Seems to have taken off around 1820.
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