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Bonanza: Look to the Stars - Israelite!
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Nick from England
Apr 11, 2013, 8:15:59 PM4/11/13
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Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is excluded from school in
Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
Albert is a clever dick who conducts experiments like measuring the speed of
sound and light!
A potentially great episode tackling bigotry (racism) involving Mexicans,
Indigenous American Peoples, Chinese and an Indian (Asian) spoiled at the
end when it just becomes plain silly.
Kind of nice, IMHO, to refer to Albert as an "Israelite", but I wonder if
that is historically accurate for the times.
True story, too - Albert actually discovered the speed of light in 1902!
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http://z2.ifrm.com/10701/5/0/p1049597/DGP.mp3
Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
Albert is a clever dick who conducts experiments like measuring the speed of
sound and light!
A potentially great episode tackling bigotry (racism) involving Mexicans,
Indigenous American Peoples, Chinese and an Indian (Asian) spoiled at the
end when it just becomes plain silly.
Kind of nice, IMHO, to refer to Albert as an "Israelite", but I wonder if
that is historically accurate for the times.
True story, too - Albert actually discovered the speed of light in 1902!
--
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NfE
http://z2.ifrm.com/10701/5/0/p1049597/DGP.mp3
alien8er
Apr 12, 2013, 5:15:32 AM4/12/13
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On Apr 11, 5:15 pm, "Nick from England" <pacif...@btopenworld.com>
wrote:
"President Ulysses S. Grant awarded Michelson a special appointment
to the U.S. Naval Academy in 1869."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Abraham_Michelson
Ben was friends with Grant? Who knew?
> Albert is a clever dick who conducts experiments like measuring the speed of
> sound and light!
>
> A potentially great episode tackling bigotry (racism) involving Mexicans,
> Indigenous American Peoples, Chinese and an Indian (Asian) spoiled at the
> end when it just becomes plain silly.
I don't remember this particular episode (damn shame since I'm
interested in the historical aspect of the physical sciences), but
Bonanza was never shy about tackling racism except you almost never
saw blacks (which was typical of episodic TV of the times).
Apparently the Cartwrights force Michelson's teacher to confront his
anti-Semitism in the episode:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0529603/
> Kind of nice, IMHO, to refer to Albert as an "Israelite", but I wonder if
> that is historically accurate for the times.
Wikipedia says:
"Despite his family being Jewish by birth, his family were non-
religious. Throughout Michelson's life, he was a lifelong agnostic."
So ethnically "Israelite", but not a practicing Jew.
I can't recall the Cartwright family ever displaying any particular
religious affiliation, but it's reasonable to assume them to have been
one Protestant denomination or another, likely one of the more
tolerant ones (i. e. not Southern Babtists) since they never show any
overt hostility to Catholic Mexicans etc.
For such "tolerant" denominations it is common for Jews to be called
"children of Israel" or "Israelites" instead of Jews to avoid the
negative connotation less tolerant denominations give the word.
> True story, too - Albert actually discovered the speed of light in 1902!
Well, the episode dates have been fudged a bit since Bonanza is set
before the American Civil war, well before 1869. But it still sounds
like a good story. Hope I get to see it some time soon.
Dr. HotSalt
wrote:
> Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is excluded from school in
> Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
> entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
Wikipedia says:
> Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
> entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
"President Ulysses S. Grant awarded Michelson a special appointment
to the U.S. Naval Academy in 1869."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Abraham_Michelson
Ben was friends with Grant? Who knew?
> Albert is a clever dick who conducts experiments like measuring the speed of
> sound and light!
>
> A potentially great episode tackling bigotry (racism) involving Mexicans,
> Indigenous American Peoples, Chinese and an Indian (Asian) spoiled at the
> end when it just becomes plain silly.
interested in the historical aspect of the physical sciences), but
Bonanza was never shy about tackling racism except you almost never
saw blacks (which was typical of episodic TV of the times).
Apparently the Cartwrights force Michelson's teacher to confront his
anti-Semitism in the episode:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0529603/
> Kind of nice, IMHO, to refer to Albert as an "Israelite", but I wonder if
> that is historically accurate for the times.
"Despite his family being Jewish by birth, his family were non-
religious. Throughout Michelson's life, he was a lifelong agnostic."
So ethnically "Israelite", but not a practicing Jew.
I can't recall the Cartwright family ever displaying any particular
religious affiliation, but it's reasonable to assume them to have been
one Protestant denomination or another, likely one of the more
tolerant ones (i. e. not Southern Babtists) since they never show any
overt hostility to Catholic Mexicans etc.
For such "tolerant" denominations it is common for Jews to be called
"children of Israel" or "Israelites" instead of Jews to avoid the
negative connotation less tolerant denominations give the word.
> True story, too - Albert actually discovered the speed of light in 1902!
before the American Civil war, well before 1869. But it still sounds
like a good story. Hope I get to see it some time soon.
Dr. HotSalt
Don Phillipson
Apr 12, 2013, 12:57:12 PM4/12/13
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"Nick from England" <paci...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Kind of nice, IMHO, to refer to Albert as an "Israelite", but I wonder if
> that is historically accurate for the times.
Yes: the religious revival that coloured much of Victorian Britain
encouraged identifying the British with the Hebrews as God's
Chosen People. There was even a "British Israelite" movement,
that believed the "lost tribes" of Old Testament history eventually
found their way to the British Isles and became the direct ancestors
of Boadicea, Arthur, Robin Hood and other folk heroes.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
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> Kind of nice, IMHO, to refer to Albert as an "Israelite", but I wonder if
> that is historically accurate for the times.
encouraged identifying the British with the Hebrews as God's
Chosen People. There was even a "British Israelite" movement,
that believed the "lost tribes" of Old Testament history eventually
found their way to the British Isles and became the direct ancestors
of Boadicea, Arthur, Robin Hood and other folk heroes.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Nick from England
Apr 12, 2013, 4:31:52 PM4/12/13
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On Apr 12, 10:15 am, alien8er <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 5:15 pm, "Nick from England" <pacif...@btopenworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is excluded from school in
> > Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
> > entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
>
> Wikipedia says:
>
> "President Ulysses S. Grant awarded Michelson a special appointment
> to the U.S. Naval Academy in 1869."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Abraham_Michelson
>
> Ben was friends with Grant? Who knew?
LOL - they didn't mention Grant - it would have complicated the story!
> On Apr 11, 5:15 pm, "Nick from England" <pacif...@btopenworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is excluded from school in
> > Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
> > entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
>
> Wikipedia says:
>
> "President Ulysses S. Grant awarded Michelson a special appointment
> to the U.S. Naval Academy in 1869."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Abraham_Michelson
>
> Ben was friends with Grant? Who knew?
> > Albert is a clever dick who conducts experiments like measuring the speed of
> > sound and light!
>
> > A potentially great episode tackling bigotry (racism) involving Mexicans,
> > Indigenous American Peoples, Chinese and an Indian (Asian) spoiled at the
> > end when it just becomes plain silly.
>
> I don't remember this particular episode (damn shame since I'm
> interested in the historical aspect of the physical sciences), but
> Bonanza was never shy about tackling racism except you almost never
> saw blacks (which was typical of episodic TV of the times).
> Apparently the Cartwrights force Michelson's teacher to confront his
> anti-Semitism in the episode:
"trouble makers".
Clever Michelson taught the expelled boys in the Livery Stable loft -
the Livery Stable owner was a Mexican whose son had also been
expelled.
Silly Teach hadn't realized *why* he had expelled those boys until Ben
explained that they were all different.
Teach was very sorry - a little bit silly as I mentioned!
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0529603/
>
> > Kind of nice, IMHO, to refer to Albert as an "Israelite", but I wonder if
> > that is historically accurate for the times.
>
> Wikipedia says:
>
> "Despite his family being Jewish by birth, his family were non-
> religious. Throughout Michelson's life, he was a lifelong agnostic."
>
> So ethnically "Israelite", but not a practicing Jew.
> I can't recall the Cartwright family ever displaying any particular
> religious affiliation, but it's reasonable to assume them to have been
> one Protestant denomination or another, likely one of the more
> tolerant ones (i. e. not Southern Babtists) since they never show any
> overt hostility to Catholic Mexicans etc.
> For such "tolerant" denominations it is common for Jews to be called
> "children of Israel" or "Israelites" instead of Jews to avoid the
> negative connotation less tolerant denominations give the word.
> > True story, too - Albert actually discovered the speed of light in 1902!
>
> Well, the episode dates have been fudged a bit since Bonanza is set
> before the American Civil war, well before 1869. But it still sounds
> like a good story. Hope I get to see it some time soon.
on CBS Action - there's one where Charles Dickens stays at the
Ponderosa!
Chuck is also featured in a movie called Adventure in Silverado
starring William (Carver Doone) Bishop where the faous author
witnesses a stagecoach robbery by a mysterous masked bandit!
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John Dean
Apr 12, 2013, 7:22:45 PM4/12/13
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"alien8er" <alie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 11, 5:15 pm, "Nick from England" <pacif...@btopenworld.com>
wrote:
> Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is excluded from school in
> Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
> entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
wrote:
> Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is excluded from school in
> Virginia City so Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him gain
> entry to, firstly, West Point and then the Naval Academy at Annapolis.
> True story, too - Albert actually discovered the speed of light in 1902!
Well, the episode dates have been fudged a bit since Bonanza is set
before the American Civil war, well before 1869. But it still sounds
like a good story. Hope I get to see it some time soon.
The show covered a period which included the aftermath of the Civil War -
Well, the episode dates have been fudged a bit since Bonanza is set
before the American Civil war, well before 1869. But it still sounds
like a good story. Hope I get to see it some time soon.
see, eg, "The Weary Willies", an episode involving Civil War veterans trying
to reintegrate into society.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0529859/combined
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John Dean
Nick from England
Apr 13, 2013, 1:25:02 AM4/13/13
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"John Dean" <john...@FRAGmsn.com> wrote in message
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1970 with Mitch Vogel as a Cartwright - I remember watching some of that
Season on TV in the late 70s and wondering if Mitch was realated to this guy
called Virgil W Vogel on the end credits!
The Weary Willies!
"Officer Bollix" was a character in Lost in Space - Prof. John Robinson (Guy
Williams) addressed him thus.
Guy memorably played Adam Cartwright in one episode of Bonanza - a lady
caller to Radio Solent said Guy was set to replace Pernell Roberts (Adam
Cartwright), but Pernell changed his mind and stayed a little longer!
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news:asrjae...@mid.individual.net...
Season on TV in the late 70s and wondering if Mitch was realated to this guy
called Virgil W Vogel on the end credits!
The Weary Willies!
"Officer Bollix" was a character in Lost in Space - Prof. John Robinson (Guy
Williams) addressed him thus.
Guy memorably played Adam Cartwright in one episode of Bonanza - a lady
caller to Radio Solent said Guy was set to replace Pernell Roberts (Adam
Cartwright), but Pernell changed his mind and stayed a little longer!
--
NfE
Anton Shepelev
Apr 14, 2013, 3:12:15 PM4/14/13
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Nick from England:
> Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is ex-
and of the freshening aether wind that blows upon
that Earth of ours with a speed depending upon both
its daily and yearly phase -- to a grave disappoint-
ment of that other famous Albert!
His 1881 and 1887 experiments yeileded a small posi-
tive result, which was discarded because he wasn't
in favour of the viscous aether theory -- see
Michelson's original papers for more:
http://tinyurl.com/cqu22ta
http://tinyurl.com/c5xtqta
[PDF documents]
(It's funny that their drawing of the interferometer
was still used in the physics books I had in school
:)
But his friend Dayton Miller conducted more experi-
ments, with an improved interferometer situated on
mt. Wilson in a glass house, where eather met less
obstuction than in the basement of the Potsdam Ob-
servatory, and obtained better measurements corre-
sponding with Earth's celesital motion and therefore
not ascribable to any earthly noise:
http://tinyurl.com/cmx9cwo
[PDF document)]
> True story, too -- Albert actually discovered the
http://tinyurl.com/bpvd3ws
[PDF document]
Have you heard of the recent Stefan Marinov experi-
ment:
http://tinyurl.com/cah8wjd
[PDF document]
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> Albert Abraham Michelson (Douglas Lambert) is ex-
> cluded from school in Virginia City so Ben
> Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him
> gain entry to, firstly, West Point and then the
> Naval Academy at Annapolis.
>
> Albert is a clever dick who conducts experiments
> like measuring the speed of sound and light!
> [...]
> Cartwright (Lorne Greene) endeavors to help him
> gain entry to, firstly, West Point and then the
> Naval Academy at Annapolis.
>
> Albert is a clever dick who conducts experiments
> like measuring the speed of sound and light!
and of the freshening aether wind that blows upon
that Earth of ours with a speed depending upon both
its daily and yearly phase -- to a grave disappoint-
ment of that other famous Albert!
His 1881 and 1887 experiments yeileded a small posi-
tive result, which was discarded because he wasn't
in favour of the viscous aether theory -- see
Michelson's original papers for more:
http://tinyurl.com/cqu22ta
http://tinyurl.com/c5xtqta
[PDF documents]
(It's funny that their drawing of the interferometer
was still used in the physics books I had in school
:)
But his friend Dayton Miller conducted more experi-
ments, with an improved interferometer situated on
mt. Wilson in a glass house, where eather met less
obstuction than in the basement of the Potsdam Ob-
servatory, and obtained better measurements corre-
sponding with Earth's celesital motion and therefore
not ascribable to any earthly noise:
http://tinyurl.com/cmx9cwo
[PDF document)]
> True story, too -- Albert actually discovered the
> speed of light in 1902!
Didn't he do it earlier, in around 1878, as per:
http://tinyurl.com/bpvd3ws
[PDF document]
Have you heard of the recent Stefan Marinov experi-
ment:
http://tinyurl.com/cah8wjd
[PDF document]
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Nick from England
Apr 16, 2013, 3:56:24 AM4/16/13
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So Guinevere, Maid Marian and the King of the Iceni...
Hmm...
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Hmm...
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Nick from England
Apr 16, 2013, 4:01:08 AM4/16/13
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"Anton Shepelev" <anto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Probably, if you say so, but Ben Cartwright (Lorne Greene) said, "In
1902...", so something important happened in 1902 cos Ben is a cowboy you
can trust!
> http://tinyurl.com/bpvd3ws
> [PDF document]
>
> Have you heard of the recent Stefan Marinov experi-
> ment:
> http://tinyurl.com/cah8wjd
> [PDF document]
Nope, don't know Stefan.
I've heard of King Stefan who was Disney's Sleeping Beauty's pop!
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1902...", so something important happened in 1902 cos Ben is a cowboy you
can trust!
> http://tinyurl.com/bpvd3ws
> [PDF document]
>
> Have you heard of the recent Stefan Marinov experi-
> ment:
> http://tinyurl.com/cah8wjd
> [PDF document]
I've heard of King Stefan who was Disney's Sleeping Beauty's pop!
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