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Meaning and origin of "Mark your card"

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Roberto

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Jul 12, 2015, 8:35:21 AM7/12/15
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I thought I understood the meaning of "mark your card" is essentially
negative but a BBC presenter used it in a way to mean keeping a spectator's
pass valid all day long.

When I looked into it on Google, "mark your card" is sometimes used to mean
being clearly identified as someone to watch but sometimes it is used to
mean cheating (like in a game of cards).

Can someone clarify the true origin and meaning. Thank you!

Peter Moylan

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Jul 12, 2015, 8:49:11 AM7/12/15
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In which country? I don't think the expression is used at all in Australia.

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Newcastle, NSW, Australia

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

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Jul 12, 2015, 9:36:19 AM7/12/15
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The origin and the meaning(s) today are not necessarily the same!

This says that the phrase is originally from the jargon of horse-racing:
http://www.dictionarycentral.com/definition/mark-someone-s-card.html

This says:
http://www.english-sayings.com/mark-someones-card/7146

The meaning of the english idiom – Mark someone’s card

If you mark someone’s card, you correct them in a forceful and
prompt manner when they say something wrong.

The idea is also used in different but related ways:
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121202051403AALHlZU

What does your cards are marked mean?

Today someone who I don't know (an adult, im only 14!) came up to me
and said just to let you know I'm a good friend of the brooks,your
cards are marked girl!! And walked out what does it mean. Btw the
brooks bully me but then turned it fount to say I was bullieng them.
And when he said this no one was around. Can I get the brooks done
for harassment thanks :):( xx


Best Answer: Nope. It just means peoplle are aware of your
behaviour and are watching you.

(Apart from other "interesting" spellings, I assume that "fount" should
be "round".)

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(in alt.english.usage)

Steve Hayes

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Jul 12, 2015, 1:04:59 PM7/12/15
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:35:21 +0100, Roberto <inv...@nospam.com>
wrote:

I had always understood it refer to cheating in card games.


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Mark Brader

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Jul 12, 2015, 3:28:30 PM7/12/15
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"Roberto":
>> I thought I understood the meaning of "mark your card" is essentially
>> negative but a BBC presenter used it in a way to mean keeping a
>> spectator's pass valid all day long.

To me it doesn't suggest any particular meaning of "mark" or "card"
unless there is context to establish one. Presumably this BBC person
understood it the same way.

>> When I looked into it on Google, "mark your card" is sometimes used to mean
>> being clearly identified as someone to watch but sometimes it is used to
>> mean cheating (like in a game of cards).

Steve Hayes:
> I had always understood it refer to cheating in card games.

When it refers to cheating in card games, the expression is "marking
the cards", not "marking your card". (Or "the cards are marked" or
you're playing "with marked cards".)
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John Varela

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Jul 12, 2015, 3:59:06 PM7/12/15
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:28:28 UTC, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

> "Roberto":
> >> I thought I understood the meaning of "mark your card" is essentially
> >> negative but a BBC presenter used it in a way to mean keeping a
> >> spectator's pass valid all day long.
>
> To me it doesn't suggest any particular meaning of "mark" or "card"
> unless there is context to establish one. Presumably this BBC person
> understood it the same way.

I agree. I don't think this was use of a pat phrase but simply using
the words in their normal meaning. The spectator had an entry pass
of some sort, and some official marked it in some way to extend its
validity for the full day.


> >> When I looked into it on Google, "mark your card" is sometimes used to mean
> >> being clearly identified as someone to watch but sometimes it is used to
> >> mean cheating (like in a game of cards).
>
> Steve Hayes:
> > I had always understood it refer to cheating in card games.
>
> When it refers to cheating in card games, the expression is "marking
> the cards", not "marking your card". (Or "the cards are marked" or
> you're playing "with marked cards".)

Yes.

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John Varela

Charles Bishop

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Jul 12, 2015, 7:36:45 PM7/12/15
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In article <2s75qal2tcsfq4v7q...@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:35:21 +0100, Roberto <inv...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I thought I understood the meaning of "mark your card" is essentially
> >negative but a BBC presenter used it in a way to mean keeping a spectator's
> >pass valid all day long.
> >
> >When I looked into it on Google, "mark your card" is sometimes used to mean
> >being clearly identified as someone to watch but sometimes it is used to
> >mean cheating (like in a game of cards).
> >
> >Can someone clarify the true origin and meaning. Thank you!
>
> I had always understood it refer to cheating in card games.

Some while back I read a book by Maeve Binchy _Firefly SUmmer_ in which
"mark your card" was used in the sense of "set you straight" or "set you
right" or "show you the way it's done here". She's Irish and the book is
set in Ireland.

When we last had this discussion, I had just finished reading the book
and went back to look for the quote and context, and couldn't easily
find it.

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charles

Mark Brader

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Jul 12, 2015, 8:13:41 PM7/12/15
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Charles Bishop:
> Some while back I read a book by Maeve Binchy _Firefly SUmmer_ in which
> "mark your card" was used in the sense of "set you straight" or "set you
> right" or "show you the way it's done here". She's Irish and the book is
> set in Ireland.
>
> When we last had this discussion, I had just finished reading the book
> and went back to look for the quote and context, and couldn't easily
> find it.

Page 186 in the copy that Google Books allowed me to preview.

# Grace still had her arms about her brother's waist.
#
# 'Kerry's been setting me right, and giving me all kinds of good
# advice about going to school.'
#
# Patrick looked pleased. He often wondered what the children talked
# about when they were on their own. They seemed quite content.
#
# 'I just thought someone should mark her card', Kerry said with a
# note of insolence that Grace noticed too. She looked up at him
# anxiously, and let her arms drop.
#
# 'Good.' Patrick was easy and relaxed. 'I'm glad you're doing it.
# I'm afraid that I have two much faith in you pair; I think you were
# born knowing everything, being able to do everything. I don't mark
# your cards enough, I suppose.'
#
# 'That's a good complaint to have, Father.' Grace was hasty in
# her attempts to avert this scene, whatever it was.

It's foreign to me, and so also is the use of "you pair" rather than
"you two".
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Robert Bannister

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Jul 12, 2015, 8:26:51 PM7/12/15
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On 13/07/2015 1:11 am, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:35:21 +0100, Roberto <inv...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I thought I understood the meaning of "mark your card" is essentially
>> negative but a BBC presenter used it in a way to mean keeping a spectator's
>> pass valid all day long.
>>
>> When I looked into it on Google, "mark your card" is sometimes used to mean
>> being clearly identified as someone to watch but sometimes it is used to
>> mean cheating (like in a game of cards).
>>
>> Can someone clarify the true origin and meaning. Thank you!
>
> I had always understood it refer to cheating in card games.
>
>
I thought it meant ticking off horses worth backing on someone's list
entries in the day's races. I don't think it's used in this country, anyway.

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Robert Bannister
Perth, Western Australia

Andy Walker

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Jul 13, 2015, 8:34:14 AM7/13/15
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In both the BBC case and the cheating case, it is surely a literal
meaning -- someone has a card [ticket, pass] or cards and it is marked to
indicate validation or illicit information respectively. The race card
usage is also literal, but means that the marker has indicated [eg] which
horses you should back; there is a similar usage with dance cards, where
you might pencil in which dance you want with the card-holder.

The "negative" meaning presumably comes from record cards held on
pupils, students or employees, where a warning could result in something
being added to the card, and the teacher would wag a finger and say "I've
marked your card -- don't do that again!". By extension, it applies to
any case where someone has been warned.

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Nottingham.

Tony Cooper

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Jul 13, 2015, 9:51:21 AM7/13/15
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:33:35 +0100, Andy Walker <a...@cuboid.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 12/07/15 13:35, Roberto wrote:
>> I thought I understood the meaning of "mark your card" is essentially
>> negative but a BBC presenter used it in a way to mean keeping a spectator's
>> pass valid all day long.
>> When I looked into it on Google, "mark your card" is sometimes used to mean
>> being clearly identified as someone to watch but sometimes it is used to
>> mean cheating (like in a game of cards).
>> Can someone clarify the true origin and meaning. Thank you!
>
> In both the BBC case and the cheating case, it is surely a literal
>meaning -- someone has a card [ticket, pass] or cards and it is marked to
>indicate validation or illicit information respectively. The race card
>usage is also literal, but means that the marker has indicated [eg] which
>horses you should back; there is a similar usage with dance cards, where
>you might pencil in which dance you want with the card-holder.
>

I attended an event recently that required online registration and
payment in advance. A confirming email was sent, and producing that
email was required at the door. The email was slashed with a magic
marker when presented so it couldn't be passed back to someone else.

My card was marked.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Robert Bannister

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Jul 13, 2015, 9:49:32 PM7/13/15
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On 13/07/2015 9:51 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:

> I attended an event recently that required online registration and
> payment in advance. A confirming email was sent, and producing that
> email was required at the door. The email was slashed with a magic
> marker when presented so it couldn't be passed back to someone else.

So you had to make a hard copy of the email. I wonder what would have
happened if you had just shown them the email on your phone.

Tony Cooper

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Jul 13, 2015, 11:45:27 PM7/13/15
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Dunno. When the email was received by me, I printed it and
immediately put in the car. I tend to leave home and forget things on
the night I need them.

Steve Hayes

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Jul 14, 2015, 1:26:51 AM7/14/15
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:33:35 +0100, Andy Walker <a...@cuboid.co.uk>
wrote:

By analogy with getting "points" on your driving licence?

Peter Moylan

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Jul 14, 2015, 2:17:36 AM7/14/15
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On 2015-Jul-14 15:33, Steve Hayes wrote:

>> The "negative" meaning presumably comes from record cards held on
>> pupils, students or employees, where a warning could result in something
>> being added to the card, and the teacher would wag a finger and say "I've
>> marked your card -- don't do that again!". By extension, it applies to
>> any case where someone has been warned.
>
> By analogy with getting "points" on your driving licence?

Is there any other sport where points have a negative meaning?

Andy Walker

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Jul 14, 2015, 4:34:17 AM7/14/15
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On 14/07/15 07:17, Peter Moylan wrote:
> Is there any other sport where points have a negative meaning?

UK readers will [should!] be familiar with the TV game "Pointless",
in which players have to score as few points as possible, and in the final
jackpot round only a pointless answer wins. [Wiki has a full description,
so it would be pointless to add more here.]

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Nottingham.

Tony Cooper

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Jul 14, 2015, 9:49:28 AM7/14/15
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:17:34 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 2015-Jul-14 15:33, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>>> The "negative" meaning presumably comes from record cards held on
>>> pupils, students or employees, where a warning could result in something
>>> being added to the card, and the teacher would wag a finger and say "I've
>>> marked your card -- don't do that again!". By extension, it applies to
>>> any case where someone has been warned.
>>
>> By analogy with getting "points" on your driving licence?
>
>Is there any other sport where points have a negative meaning?

It's not a sport, but the winner in the card game of "Hearts" is the
one with the least number of points.

Charles Bishop

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Jul 15, 2015, 10:43:59 AM7/15/15
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In article <uvf7qada0f1cprij6...@4ax.com>,
I can understand marking something to show it has been used and can't be
used again, but would that really work in this case? It would be easy to
print two copies of the email, surely and have someone else use the 2nd
copy if the only verification is a non-marked printed copy of the email.
>
> My card was marked.

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Tony Cooper

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Jul 15, 2015, 11:38:28 AM7/15/15
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Sure, any security system can be circumvented. The idea, though, at a
meeting like this, is that people will not conspire in advance to
cheat. An impulsive handing-off to someone else is deterred. The
participants were allowed to leave the meeting room to go to the
restrooms or the coffee bar that was outside.

The better system would be to have a printed list of registered users
and the gatekeeper to check-off names as they enter.

John Varela

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Jul 15, 2015, 5:59:29 PM7/15/15
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They would have slashed his iPhone with a magic marker. Duh.

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John Varela

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Jul 15, 2015, 6:03:09 PM7/15/15
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Getting points on your driver's license isn't a sport either.

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Peter Moylan

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Jul 16, 2015, 7:33:27 AM7/16/15
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Some drivers treat it as one.

Charles Bishop

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Jul 16, 2015, 1:45:53 PM7/16/15
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In article <pcvcqa9t76jhkplfj...@4ax.com>,
You know better than I how the events are run and I'll take your word
for how they work. They are content with the security they have.

But you know us, as well and how we're curious about how things work.
Now, my thought is how likely is an impulsive handing off of the email?
This would mean that there were people present who wern't planning on
attending the event, were known by someone with an email, and were glad
to be given one so they could attend. It's small details like this that
niggle at my thoughts and I wonder "how would that work?".

Also, I wonder how the "handing back" would work. Presumably the
attendee shows the email to a gatekeeper and then passes into the event
while access is limited elsewhere. There doesn't seem to be the
opportunity to pass the email back to someone else.

All of this is idle curiosity and no reflection on those who are
responsible for the event or the attendees. Contents may settle during
shipping, there may be side effects - see Side Effects, volumes i
through ix for details.
>
> The better system would be to have a printed list of registered users
> and the gatekeeper to check-off names as they enter.

And stamp their hands if they leave the meeting room and need to return.
It does sound acceptably casual and the 'security' they have is mainly
to deter the casual event crasher.

--
charles

Tony Cooper

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Jul 16, 2015, 5:11:23 PM7/16/15
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:45:49 -0700, Charles Bishop
I thought I explained that somewhere else. The event was in a meeting
room of a hotel. The restrooms and the coffee bar were outside of the
meeting room, so attendees could leave the meeting and return.

A large group will have the coffee and Danish bar in the meeting room,
but a small group may share one out in the lobby with other meeting
groups. Or, we may (as I did at the last one) "crash" the coffee bar
of group holding a meeting down the hall.

Someone might have attended the meeting and brought along a wife or
friend who was not willing to pay to attend.

Most of the things like this that I attend are on the subject of
photography or the use of software programs used in photography.
Someone might have casual intrest, but not enough to pay the piper.

If it's a club or a SIG (special interest group), the gatekeepers are
members and not paid staff. Security can be rather casual.

John Varela

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Jul 16, 2015, 9:40:41 PM7/16/15
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:33:23 UTC, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 2015-Jul-16 08:03, John Varela wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:49:27 UTC, Tony Cooper
> > <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:17:34 +1000, Peter Moylan
> >> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2015-Jul-14 15:33, Steve Hayes wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> The "negative" meaning presumably comes from record cards held on
> >>>>> pupils, students or employees, where a warning could result in something
> >>>>> being added to the card, and the teacher would wag a finger and say "I've
> >>>>> marked your card -- don't do that again!". By extension, it applies to
> >>>>> any case where someone has been warned.
> >>>>
> >>>> By analogy with getting "points" on your driving licence?
> >>>
> >>> Is there any other sport where points have a negative meaning?
> >>
> >> It's not a sport, but the winner in the card game of "Hearts" is the
> >> one with the least number of points.
> >
> > Getting points on your driver's license isn't a sport either.
>
> Some drivers treat it as one.

I saw some of them on I-66 this afternoon.

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In greyhound racing a dog that interrupts a race or is aggressively behaving it has its card marked and asked not to be brought back to the track.

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It's to do with horse racing. Someone who knows what's what will mark your card to help you get going. That is take your race card and mark the horse's likely to do well in the various races that day. The analogy has spread to mean giving a heads-up to a friend.

Don Phillipson

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<patriciama...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5036ffa3-8312-4896...@googlegroups.com...
1. The older meaning is exactly as indicated here. Horse racegoers can buy
cards
listing all the day's races and runners, and tipsters might mark on your
card what (he
says) is likely to win.

2. Contemporary use has muddled this with the functions of football
referees,
who use coloured cards to signal minor punishments for players' breaking
the rules. (Some sports reporters count and report the statistics of such
punishments.) So some people say marking a soccer player's card means
recording his offence.
--
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Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


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On 18/10/2017 10:48 PM, Don Phillipson wrote:
> <patriciama...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5036ffa3-8312-4896...@googlegroups.com...
>
> << It's to do with horse racing. Someone who knows what's what will mark
> your card to help you get going. That is take your race card and mark the
> horse's likely to do well in the various races that day. The analogy has
> spread to mean giving a heads-up to a friend.>>

I seldom see this phrase in newspapers ....

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在 2015年7月12日星期日 UTC+8下午8:35:21,Roberto写道:
> I thought I understood the meaning of "mark your card" is essentially
> negative but a BBC presenter used it in a way to mean keeping a spectator's
> pass valid all day long.
>
> When I looked into it on Google, "mark your card" is sometimes used to mean
> being clearly identified as someone to watch but sometimes it is used to
> mean cheating (like in a game of cards).
>
> Can someone clarify the true origin and meaning. Thank you!

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