A Cheap Date
MC
Discuss!
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CDB
> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
> Discuss!
Are you male or female?
dearcilla
> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
>
> Discuss!
It's sort of a wry compliment. Shows appreciation for something that
indicates the other person is low maintenance or has low standards.
MC
"CDB" <belle...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Male.
I've been trying to explain it to a Ukrainian friend whose English is
pretty good.
I emailed her as follows:
> Shall I take it for an insult?
That's a good question. I think it depends on the context.
A woman might only want to have one or two glasses of wine when she goes
out, and later might say of her husband: "I think he married me because
I'm such a cheap date." In this context it's not an insult at all, more
like self-deprecating humour.
But... Let's say two guys are talking about a promiscuous girl: "You'll
like her. She's a cheap date." In other words, "You don't have to spend
a lot of money on her to get her to go to bed with you." In this
context, it's an insult.
mm
wrote:
>In article <gqttlm$6gv$1...@news.motzarella.org>,
> "CDB" <belle...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> MC wrote:
>> > Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
>>
>> > Discuss!
>>
>> Are you male or female?
>
>Male.
>
>I've been trying to explain it to a Ukrainian friend whose English is
>pretty good.
>
>I emailed her as follows:
>
>> Shall I take it for an insult?
>
>That's a good question. I think it depends on the context.
>
>A woman might only want to have one or two glasses of wine when she goes
>out, and later might say of her husband: "I think he married me because
>I'm such a cheap date." In this context it's not an insult at all, more
>like self-deprecating humour.
>
>But... Let's say two guys are talking about a promiscuous girl: "You'll
>like her. She's a cheap date." In other words, "You don't have to spend
>a lot of money on her to get her to go to bed with you."
Why are you only talking about a promiscous girl? The original
divisiion was between males and females. One is living a twisted
life if he thinks only about promiscous girls or if he thinks cheap
date only refers to whether a girl goes to bed with the guy.
It means that you don't have to spend a lot of money on her for her to
feel she's had an enjoyable time. It's not an insult, it's a
complment, that she doesn't demand that a lot of money be spent on
her.
> In this
>context, it's an insult.
No, even for the promiscuous girl, it's not an insult. It's a
compliment. Telling her or someone who knows or might meet her that
she's promiscuous is an insult. Telling someone who will never meet
her that she is, when she actually is, is just a statement of fact.
Once we assume she's promiscuous, whether she's a cheap date or not is
a totally separate thing. It's still a compliment that she doesn't
base her treatment of a guy on how much money he spends on her.
OTOH, when a male's paying and the female's getting, and a female
calls a male a cheap date, that's an insult.
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mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >That's a good question. I think it depends on the context.
> >
> >A woman might only want to have one or two glasses of wine when she goes
> >out, and later might say of her husband: "I think he married me because
> >I'm such a cheap date." In this context it's not an insult at all, more
> >like self-deprecating humour.
> >
> >But... Let's say two guys are talking about a promiscuous girl: "You'll
> >like her. She's a cheap date." In other words, "You don't have to spend
> >a lot of money on her to get her to go to bed with you."
>
> Why are you only talking about a promiscous girl? The original
> divisiion was between males and females. One is living a twisted
> life if he thinks only about promiscous girls or if he thinks cheap
> date only refers to whether a girl goes to bed with the guy.
Did I say I thought that?
No.
I gave two examples.
>
> It means that you don't have to spend a lot of money on her for her to
> feel she's had an enjoyable time. It's not an insult, it's a
> complment, that she doesn't demand that a lot of money be spent on
> her.
>
> > In this
> >context, it's an insult.
>
> No, even for the promiscuous girl, it's not an insult. It's a
> compliment. Telling her or someone who knows or might meet her that
> she's promiscuous is an insult. Telling someone who will never meet
> her that she is, when she actually is, is just a statement of fact.
> Once we assume she's promiscuous, whether she's a cheap date or not is
> a totally separate thing. It's still a compliment that she doesn't
> base her treatment of a guy on how much money he spends on her.
Depends on how it's said.
>
> OTOH, when a male's paying and the female's getting, and a female
> calls a male a cheap date, that's an insult.
Yup.
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at a typewriter and bleed.
-- Ernest Hemingway
mm
wrote:
>
>>
>> Why are you only talking about a promiscous girl? The original
>> divisiion was between males and females. One is living a twisted
>> life if he thinks only about promiscous girls or if he thinks cheap
>> date only refers to whether a girl goes to bed with the guy.
>
>Did I say I thought that?
Probably not. But your choice of words sure riled me. Sorry.
>
>No.
Opinicus
>> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
> Are you male or female?
This being the 21st century the question should be "Are you a sender or a
receiver?"
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Bob
http://www.kanyak.com
J. J. Lodder
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0400, MC <cope...@mapca.inter.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> Why are you only talking about a promiscous girl? The original
> >> divisiion was between males and females. One is living a twisted
> >> life if he thinks only about promiscous girls or if he thinks cheap
> >> date only refers to whether a girl goes to bed with the guy.
> >
> >Did I say I thought that?
>
> Probably not. But your choice of words sure riled me. Sorry.
Understandable.
MM was a cheap date too, before she became MM,
Jan
Chuck Riggs
If the man sees her as low maintenance, that is probably a compliment,
especially in times of recession, but if he thinks she has low
standards, I think that insults her upbringing.
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland
QT
> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
>
> Discuss!
I prefer javelin.
--
qt
MC
Chuck Riggs <chr...@eircom.net> wrote:
> >It's sort of a wry compliment. Shows appreciation for something that
> >indicates the other person is low maintenance or has low standards.
>
> If the man sees her as low maintenance, that is probably a compliment,
> especially in times of recession, but if he thinks she has low
> standards, I think that insults her upbringing.
Hmmm. I don't see why the dots necessarily connect to her upbringing.
MC
"QT" <quicktransU...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
I guess that was the shot put around the world...
Cece
> In article <gqvo7j$u3...@news.motzarella.org>,
>
> "QT" <quicktransUNSPAMDES...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > MC wrote:
>
> > > Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
>
> > > Discuss!
>
> > I prefer javelin.
>
> I guess that was the shot put around the world...
>
> --
>
> There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down
> at a typewriter and bleed.
> ‹ Ernest Hemingway
MC, I think you're right. Going back forty-five years, I have never
heard "cheap date" used as a compliment. I've heard girls use it of
themselves ironically, and guys use it of girls self-
congratulatorily.
A current TV commercial for a drive-in restaurant (Sonic's) has the
dim-witted guy telling his smarter friend about having taken a girl
there. When the girl ordered only from the low-priced menu, the guy
said, "You're a cheap date" and then had no idea why she said, "Excuse
me?"
Vellov
"MC" <cope...@mapca.inter.net> wrote in message
news:copespaz-F5052F...@mara100-84.onlink.net...
> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
I've only heard it used to mean a woman who can't drink very much alcohol
and therefore readily becomes drunk. Usually, that use has been humorous, by
the woman concerned.
vellov.
CDB
> "CDB" <belle...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>>> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
>> Are you male or female?
> This being the 21st century the question should be "Are you a
> sender or a receiver?"
You mean whatEVersexual daters still divide up socially into a mummy
and a daddy? My thought was that, if the speaker was a sender, the
case that seems to have been assumed so far, "he" would think well of
a receiver "he" could entertain and/or confuse without having to
mortgage anything; if a receiver, "she" might not think well of a
sender who was reluctant to pony up for a good time. Cp "Have Some
Madeira, M'Dear" and "Real Big Spender" for, perhaps, limiting cases.
CDB
> On Apr 1, 8:55 am, MC <copes...@mapca.inter.net> wrote:
>> "QT" <quicktransUNSPAMDES...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> MC wrote:
>>>> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
>>> I prefer javelin.
You shouldn't date the kind that need javelin'.
>> I guess that was the shot put around the world...
> MC, I think you're right. Going back forty-five years, I have never
> heard "cheap date" used as a compliment. I've heard girls use it of
> themselves ironically, and guys use it of girls self-
> congratulatorily.
> A current TV commercial for a drive-in restaurant (Sonic's) has the
> dim-witted guy telling his smarter friend about having taken a girl
> there. When the girl ordered only from the low-priced menu, the guy
> said, "You're a cheap date" and then had no idea why she said,
> "Excuse me?"
I used it of myself (male) to a colleague once, when she wondered why
I was out having a snack just before an office celebration, eats to
follow. I drink little and seldom, and I wanted some buffering for
the many toasts in prospect. She did look a little taken aback.
Default User
> MC, I think you're right. Going back forty-five years, I have never
> heard "cheap date" used as a compliment. I've heard girls use it of
> themselves ironically, and guys use it of girls self-
> congratulatorily.
>
> A current TV commercial for a drive-in restaurant (Sonic's) has the
> dim-witted guy telling his smarter friend about having taken a girl
> there. When the girl ordered only from the low-priced menu, the guy
> said, "You're a cheap date" and then had no idea why she said, "Excuse
> me?"
He thought she was hard of hearing, so he said, "YOU'RE A CHEAP DATE!"
Brian
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Pat Durkin
news:gr03i0$no$1...@news.motzarella.org
That person may have been a bit tipsy, and forgot that what she was was
"a cheap drunk". Considering the price of bar drinks (and they are
almost twice as costly in the dining rooms of restaurants in my area),
if a person drinks to get drunk, and gets drunk on 2 drinks. . .well,
it's a cheap drunk.
Gerald Clough
> Is the expression "a cheap date" an insult or a compliment?
>
> Discuss!
>
The phrase alone carries no particular positive or negative meaning.
Someone might be trying to get someone to take them out. After listing
some qualities they have - fun, good conversationalist, etc. - they
might add to the end of the list, "And I'm a cheap date," meaning they
don't need an expensive restaurant and the opera.
Someone might be speaking to a friend, encouraging them to take out
someone in whom they had no real interest, and might say, "She's a cheap
date," meaning you're not risking much or not out much if it doesn't
work out.
Or a wife might be chiding a husband who didn't like to go out, "Just
take me out. Just a movie is fine. I'm a cheap date."
I do not believe it could be used in context with intent that it be an
insult without the language sounding odd. Even if the intent is to
convey the idea that a girl is easy to get into bed, you would have to
actually say that. Adding, "...and she's a cheap date," just as above,
only says you don't have to spend much on her for it to be a date.
It's derogatory to call a girl "cheap," but not necessarily derogatory
to call her "a cheap date."
R H Draney
>
>Cece wrote:
>>
>> A current TV commercial for a drive-in restaurant (Sonic's) has the
>> dim-witted guy telling his smarter friend about having taken a girl
>> there. When the girl ordered only from the low-priced menu, the guy
>> said, "You're a cheap date" and then had no idea why she said, "Excuse
>> me?"
>
>He thought she was hard of hearing, so he said, "YOU'RE A CHEAP DATE!"
Or perhaps he offered helpfully "it's just down the hall, on your right"....r
--
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
Richard Bollard
That's a "cheap drunk" around here and can apply to both men and women
(but more often women).
--
Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT.
Chuck Riggs
wrote:
<snip>
>It's derogatory to call a girl "cheap," but not necessarily derogatory
>to call her "a cheap date."
Bang on.
mm
Are you talking about Marilyn Monroe or Marcia Mason?
>Jan
MC
mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >MM was a cheap date too, before she became MM,
>
> Are you talking about Marilyn Monroe or Marcia Mason?
Or Marilyn Manson?
J. J. Lodder
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:49:02 +0200, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
> >mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:00:02 -0400, MC <cope...@mapca.inter.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Why are you only talking about a promiscous girl? The original
> >> >> divisiion was between males and females. One is living a twisted
> >> >> life if he thinks only about promiscous girls or if he thinks cheap
> >> >> date only refers to whether a girl goes to bed with the guy.
> >> >
> >> >Did I say I thought that?
> >>
> >> Probably not. But your choice of words sure riled me. Sorry.
> >
> >Understandable.
> >MM was a cheap date too, before she became MM,
>
> Are you talking about Marilyn Monroe or Marcia Mason?
Why ask me? You are the mm here,
Jan
mm
Lodder) wrote:
I didn't think you meant me. I was never a cheap date nor a she.
Vellov
"Pat Durkin" <dur...@sbc.com> wrote in message
news:gr0t1v$c2$1...@news.albasani.net...
Perhaps I should have added that there is also a (humorously understood)
implication that it's the *man* who is paying for the drinks.
v.
Pat Durkin
True. But the man may be a cheap drunk, too. Of course, he may be a
mean drunk, and that could be cheap(stingy), or cruel.
