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dre...@yahoo.com

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Nov 12, 2003, 3:41:00 PM11/12/03
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One hears about Anglicans and Lutherans all the time, but never about
Calvinists.

Are they still around ? Do they prefer another name for their
denomination, or was there a split of some sort ?


Don Phillipson

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Nov 12, 2003, 5:32:32 PM11/12/03
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> One hears about Anglicans and Lutherans all the time, but never about
> Calvinists.
> Are they still around ?

In Switzerland and the Netherlands Calvinists often
call themselves the Reformed Church.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)


Paul

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Nov 12, 2003, 9:53:06 PM11/12/03
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<dre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I am not the group policeman, but I am curious. What does this have to do
with english usage?

I am not an expert on the topic of your question, but here is what I
understand. Anglican and Lutheran are proper names for denominations, as is
Presbyterian. Calvinism is the proper name of a doctrine (or set of
doctrines) touching on several issues, but the main one has to do with the
doctrine of predestination.

An analogy from American politics would be the difference between Republican
and Conservative. Many people who are members of the Republican party are
socially conservative, but some are socially moderate or liberal. The
Republican party has offices, letterhead, a payroll, cashflow, and all the
other things that go into making an organization. Conservative would
characterize many, but not all of the members of the organization.

Bringing the analogy back to your question, many Presybyterians are
Calvanists, but not all of them. Presbyterians have organizations, but
Calvinists do not.

- Paul

Christopher Green

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Nov 13, 2003, 1:31:14 AM11/13/03
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There are many Calvinist denominations; most go by some variation of
the name "Reformed" or "Presbyterian".

--
Chris Green

meirman

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Nov 13, 2003, 4:17:41 AM11/13/03
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In alt.english.usage on Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:41:00 +0200
dre...@yahoo.com posted:

I was told recently that the Puritans in Massechusettes were
Calvinists. I think most Puritans morphed into Congregationalists,
according to the minister who lived across the street when I lived in
Brooklyn.

I didn't think they were Calvinist at all. OTOH, I've never been to
one of their services, and I"m only jumping to a conclusion based on
my personal impression of that minister.

s/ meirman If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.

Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years
Indianapolis, 7 years
Chicago, 6 years
Brooklyn NY 12 years
Baltimore 17 years

Adrian Bailey

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Nov 13, 2003, 12:56:04 PM11/13/03
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"Paul" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> <dre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:l865rvs9vs5r4siik...@4ax.com...
> > One hears about Anglicans and Lutherans all the time, but never about
> > Calvinists.
> >
> > Are they still around ? Do they prefer another name for their
> > denomination, or was there a split of some sort ?
>
> I am not an expert on the topic of your question, but here is what I
> understand. Anglican and Lutheran are proper names for denominations, as
is
> Presbyterian. Calvinism is the proper name of a doctrine (or set of
> doctrines) touching on several issues, but the main one has to do with the
> doctrine of predestination.
>
> An analogy from American politics would be the difference between
Republican
> and Conservative. Many people who are members of the Republican party are
> socially conservative, but some are socially moderate or liberal. The
> Republican party has offices, letterhead, a payroll, cashflow, and all the
> other things that go into making an organization. Conservative would
> characterize many, but not all of the members of the organization.
>
> Bringing the analogy back to your question, many Presybyterians are
> Calvanists, but not all of them. Presbyterians have organizations, but
> Calvinists do not.

Hmm. Being married to one, I can say that there are Calvinists who don't
call themselves Presbyterians or anything else. Marti hails from the
"Calvinist Rome", no less: Debrecen. Afaiui, Presbyterians *are* Calvinists
and the Presbyterian Church is a Calvinist organisation.

(btw, the lady who registered Marti at the hospital here in Birmingham
seemed to have heard of Calvinists alright.)

Adrian


Paul

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Nov 13, 2003, 1:19:55 PM11/13/03
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"Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Paul" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:mmCsb.115207$fl1.4...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> > <dre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:l865rvs9vs5r4siik...@4ax.com...
> > > One hears about Anglicans and Lutherans all the time, but never about
> > > Calvinists.
> > >
> > > Are they still around ? Do they prefer another name for their
> > > denomination, or was there a split of some sort ?
> >
> > I am not an expert on the topic of your question, but here is what I
> > understand. . . .

>
> Hmm. Being married to one, I can say that there are Calvinists who don't
> call themselves Presbyterians or anything else. Marti hails from the
> "Calvinist Rome", no less: Debrecen. Afaiui, Presbyterians *are*
Calvinists
> and the Presbyterian Church is a Calvinist organisation.
>

Well then, it is a good thing I clarified that I am not an expert on the
matter.

- Paul


Mike Bandy

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Nov 14, 2003, 9:20:25 PM11/14/03
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I hope not to offend anyone by saying that Baptists were Calvinists
who were tempered by Arminianism. This Arminianism gives Baptists an
Evangelical theology.

--
Mike Bandy

Martin Ambuhl

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Nov 15, 2003, 12:35:59 AM11/15/03
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Mike Bandy wrote:

> I hope not to offend anyone by saying that Baptists were Calvinists
> who were tempered by Arminianism. This Arminianism gives Baptists an
> Evangelical theology.

That you are dead wrong being, of course, beside the point. Baptists have
never been Calvinists, although Cromwell did try to shield them -- from,
maong others, the Calvinists.


--
Martin Ambuhl

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